Has anyone else heard this? I was on another site and a poster with ties to Hermitage said that he doesn't have the grades to play Div I right now.
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i think its on scout ($)
Yes, it was on Scout.
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Never read anything about Derrick Green not being able to qualify. That would be a surprise. Not saying you're wrong. And it would go a long way toward explaining the staff's cooling down on him. But to the best of my (admittedly limited) knowledge, Green is good to go.
Followup edit: A bit of digging turned up Derrick Griffin maybe going to prep school (TE commit for Miami). Still nothing on Green that I'm finding.
Yeah, I can't access Scout, but it appears to be the Buckeye page that popped up. I have a hard time believing that Hoke and company didn't do their homework on Green. Richrod, I would believe it.
I need a lot more smoke before I'm pulling the fire alarm.
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I need a little more info to believe this...
I agree not credible yet. Just because I am curious, if true, how would that affect Green's eligibility? Does that just count as a grey shirt year or athletes allowed to re open their recruitment if they go post grad, as if they ended up going JuCo?
Would be interesting to watch, if true, how this would affect UM's recruitment of backs (Elijah Hood, etc..) in this class if Green would be coming in next year.
Cardale went to Fork Union, right?
Grayshirt means you stay a part of the program, but don't get any financial assistance, can't practice/travel w/team, etc. I would think that he would be able to enroll in another school without penalty after he's done at Fork, but I'm not sure.
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Grayshirt doesn't mean that necessarily, although that is what happens as a result of grayshirting. Grayshirting is tactic used when a scholarship is not available for a student athlete to enroll at the school of their choice with their current graduating class or current recruiting class.
So the student athlete CHOOSES not to enroll at the university until after Fall semester (or quarter) and then can immediately join the team to practice and will be counted towards the following class total scholarship number.
"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick
Was UM expecting him to come right in and compete for or take over the starting RB role?
I think he absolutely going to be able to compete for the job given his talent, but I am not sure about starting I am not sure who else they have in the fold - Hail?
Is Vincent Smith still there? Did they reattach his head after he got Clowney'd?
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Returning Running Backs:
Fitzgerald Toussaint
Thomas Rawls
Justice Hayes
Drake Johnson
Incoming freshmen:
Derrick Green
Deveon Smith
Wyatt Shallman
Green definitely will compete and has a real shot of starting. As of now, there is almost no chance he would redshirt.
And to the question below: No, Vincent Smith's outdoor American football days are complete. He appears to be a pretty good painter, in all honesty, though. That blow to the head may turn him into the next Picasso.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
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Maybe the grades are why Urban stopped recruiting him...
Fork Union... That's a place, for sure...
/Duff'd It
I like the "The coaches told Elliott he'd be the only RB in the class" reason better.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Had JT remained coach, DG is almost certainly a Buckeye. Scholarship reductions, great depth at RB, and the change in coaching and offense all played a role in DG ending up elsewhere. Once Eze was on board, Urban was not interested enough in DG to put in the effort that DG seemed to require. And that's the story of how Michigan got it's running back.
and yet Eze required probably just as much work keeping him.
but it is obvious what Urban wanted.
I was dismayed at the Mizzou visit, but to be fair to Eze, he only caused the staff heartache for 2 weeks. Prior to that he was an ideal recruit in every way.
I do not agree that EzE required just as much work to keep. Until like 2-3 weeks before signing that dude was a rock solid Buckeye recruiter. Down the stretch he needed a bit of attention, but that is nothing like 6 months+ of recruiting the best RB in the country against every huge program and maybe ending up with nothing. EzE was committed for a long period of time and required just a little "touch" at the end in a situation where it was really improbable we didn't end up with his LOI. Risk to reward in this situation was not even in the same league to be considered IMO.
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That explains why Hoke was crying... hahaha.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
It isn't like scUM ONLY recruited Green. I am pretty sure he was the 3rd RB to join their class.
"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick
He did want to play for Eddie's alma mater. So, there's that.
well palyed stu
"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick
I agree with Hail, there doesn't seem to be much to this story. At this time it is only showing up on Buckeye sites. There are also two other things that make me very skeptical of this story. Green is a 3.0 student in high school (google for his gpa if you are curious), which means he just needs a qualifying ACT or SAT score, which shouldn't be to hard for a very determined hard working 3.0 student. The other item that makes me skeptical is that this Michigan staff wouldn't accept a commitment from 2012 recruit Aaron Burbridge until he had qualifying scores. He was an elite level prospect in an area of need, so I don't think their policy would change now. Especially when Michigan's admissions department has proven they don't care what the football coach thinks (see Rich Rod with Demar Dorsey commitment).
At this time last year, the same rumors as with Green were floating on Michigan blogs about Burbridge (commit to MSU). I have no basis to make any conclusion, but I have the highest level of suspicion about this entire rumor.
M Man, I disagree. The situations with Burbridge and Green are completely different. With regards to Burbridge, his grades were always a known issue in his recruitment and his high school coach openly talked about it.
The above quote was made by Harrison coach John Herrington shortly after Burbridge committed to MSU. This comment was also made over a year before Burbridge had to qualify. Please see the link to the article. http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1245380&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=
So I think knowing a full year before Burbridge qualified and having his high school football coach openly stating that his grades are a concern has a lot more credibility than an anonymous poster on a sports blog after NSD (Green's situation).
Regardless of the difference, whenever there is smoke present, you never know what could happen. It doesn't help that Alex lent some credence to it with his comment. I guess we will have to stay tuned.
Once again he's just following in Eddies footsteps. Well except for that whole tOSU thing.
There's literally nothing on Twitter about this. If this were news, Twitter would be the first place to break it... not some Scout $$$ board. #Fact
Generalizing! #Fact
Even though Green may miss this year...don't sleep on DeVeon Smith...he's not bad and OSU would have been after him back in the Tress days. I had a feeling there was more to the Green situation than EzE being told there will only be 1 RB in the 2013 class...IMO of course.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
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i'll be sure not to sleep on, under, or anywhere near DeVeon Smith ;)
OSU did offer Smith, didn't they? Not saying they pursued him aggressively at any point, but an offer is still a big deal. I agree that he'd have been a major OSU target a couple of years ago.
We would have taken both Smith and Green under Tress (which isn't bad) because they fit his offense better. These guys just are not the greatest fit compared to Eze and Wilson, it's a different style. Nothing against Smith and Green, I think they are going to be solid backs, but Urban brings a different style.
They did...but as so many ppl point out...was it a "committable" offer??? That's the question??? ;-) I personally don't believe in all that but what ever. I for once agree with Steensn...both Green and Smith don't fit the new offense.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
I thought I read a story about Eddie helping out Derrick, wonder if it had to do with more than just a college choice?
It appears the post is someone local to Hermitage who has heard from someone within the program. Unsubstantiated as of now.
heard this but not sure if it is true...my Michigan sources are saying definitely not, but you never know
Thanks for the update
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How many sources do you have exactly? Alex is the J. Edgar Hoover of rectuiting.....lol
Are you saying Alex is a cross dresser!
Wherever you are, there you be!
Ironically (hi B-I.8), there is virtually no foundation to the Hoover myth.
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Seems this was started by someone who knows someone at Green's high school. Pretty weak source IMO.
I won't believe it until the TSUN tears are flowing.
I bet those tears are sweet like sugar!
Wherever you are, there you be!
With all due respect, tsun has the dirtiest looking students/fans in the country.
95% sure that guy above the word Nascar was playing for NW tonight. The freshman who made the fall away shot at the buzzer. Am I wrong?
Agree 100 percent.. Kale Abrahamson
http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/abrahamson_kale00.html
Is that girl sucking her thumb???
More than likely a nose pick
Rumor started by Manti Te'o
I thought it was his girlfriend?
Free throws and bunnies just have not been dropping... Embarrassing
pat cozzens
In looking for some unrelated info I stumbled upon this Dan Patrick interview with Urban regarding the 2013 recruiting class. Around the 4:30 mark of the interview Urban stated that they backed off of 3 or 4 recruits they could have had but because they may not have been able to handle the academics they stopped recruiting them. This thread concerning Green came to mind. May or may not be referring to him but makes you wonder who else?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaRd4RhjGZ0
The thing is with Foster and Gibson, their grades were discussed throughout their recruitment. I don't recall seeing anything about Green having issues before or after Michigan/OSU was in the mix for him. I would think that someone, somewhere would have mentioned grades if they were ever a concern.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Well I guarantee 2 of those were Shelton Gibson and Robert Foster. Who knows if D Green could be one of the others
Dare I say it? TIMMONS
timmons is a honor roll student, his grades are not questionable. in fact last friday he was in my fiancees kindergarten class reading to her students, she has a picture of ryan on her ipad. he is anxious to get on the field as an uk player. ryan is humble, classy, intelligent, he is involved in community services, is a churchgoer and as fine of a human being as anyone. please do not lump him in with others who have questionable academics.
Do you know his ACT score? (CC: @Waycracken). ACT scores are more indicative of how they'll do in college; high schools tend to embellish grades to best represent their students.
http://escholarship.org/uc/item/7306z0zf
"Validity Of High-School Grades In Predicting Student Success Beyond The Freshman Year: High-School Record vs. Standardized Tests as Indicators of Four-Year College Outcomes"
Some reading.
Why don't you summarize it for me? TL;DR. Sorry, but as a college student, I'd say GPA is far less an indicator than ACT. GPA is inflated and deflated all the time, ACT is a constant. I know 4.0 students that went to terrible schools and have flunked out; likewise, many kids with a 2-2.9 are 4.0 students in college. There's a reason it's called "standardized" and the ACT is a much better indicator than the SAT. The ACT measures intellect, the SAT measures the ability to take the SAT.
Though I would not recommend it, you might want to just read the abstract, as it summarizes the authors' findings quite well and answers some of what you've speculated above.
I don't think he was trying to degrade Timmons. Urban said there were 3 or 4 we're just speculating which ones. The only reason Timmons was mentioned, I believe, is because recruitment stopped kind of abruptly.
Wait...they have schools in Kentucky?
@urbz: i do not know ryan timmons ACT score. do you know it? have you ever met the young man?
I would recommend learning to use the reply function. You can see how it would make this exchange far less disjointed.
well i think recruitment stopped abruptly for a couple of reasons. lack of scholarships for one, and ryan has a chance to be on the field playing as a freshman playing for uk, and he said several times playing immediately would be very important to him. the offense being put in by neal brown is the same exact offense ryan played in at high school. i would suggest he knows this offense better than any current uk player and will start the first game.
Of course this thread ended up talking about Timmons. Anyone think the site should change its name to twelvewarriors.com to include a Buckeye lineup and Ryan Timmons? He seems like a great kid, wish he coulda been a Buckeye, wish him the very best, but I hope the next time he's mentioned on the board is when he scores five TDs against Bama.
Unless Bama starts playing a roster of 125 lb Kentucky high school kids running 5.0s, I don't see that happening.
Lets get serious here.. 125lbs and 5.0's is absurd he's bigger than... you're better than that I.8... COME ON MAN!!!!?
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Not sure you understood what I was getting at there, chief.
Timmons huh? I agree Brooklyn, Timmons has been mentioned too much here. Ryan Timmons was all the rage during the recent recruiting season. Timmons, Timmons, Timmons, was all anyone would talk about. Timmons came up on threads about EZE. Timmons came up on the James Quick threads. Ryan Timmons even came up on some Donovan Munger threads. Now that Timmons is at UK, I wish him the best, but I am hoping the Ryan Timmons craze is over & I don't have to continue to read about Timmons or see the name Timmons on this site again.............Timmons. ;)
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I'd just like to point out that despite insisting that he wasn't Timmons himself, Waycracken hasn't made a peep since shortly after signing day.
Has anyone checked to see if he is on the UK board these days? Does UK even have a football board?
CatsPause over at 247. I don't read it, but who knows.
You might be on to something BuckI8. He knew an awful lot of obscure details, including exact GPA. I still doubt it was him but you never know these days. It is the Internet after all. For all we know Waycracken is Urban Meyer himself.
or Timmons' father
Hey, that's our pipeline!
Regarding the forum title - has anyone seen anything else regarding Green's grades? Seemed like an unsubstantiated rumor a week ago, I'm guessing given the lack of anything other than word of mouth reports that there aren't legs to this story.
Lets hope he doesn't have the grades
Yeah let's hope he isn't able to get an education just so he can't play a game against the team I like TAKE THAT