@Tim_Matty247: Sources are indicating that the #B1G has approved #GT as its 15th member. Stay tuned.
Interesting if true that we are moving so fast. Who is 16, then?
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I would bet Virginia as number 16.
We can't get UVA without UNC or VT, and we can't get UNC without D00k or NC State, and we don't want VT, so maybe Notre Dame finally learns the error of their ways?
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Expansion isn't going to stop at 16 is my guess. Ga Tech is a nice addition and I've been hoping for a while that they were added. After Nebraska was added I was hoping Ga Tech would be in the next wave. I bet when all is said and done the B1G lands on 20 teams.
I guess I just don't see how that would work out. There just aren't enough decent teams for that too happen along with the other conference expansion we will see, IMO.
if it goes to 20, I hope that they put 10 real Big Ten teams in a division and the rest in another.
JLP36
Interesting thought, though I don't give a rap if we never play Minnesota or Iowa or Indiana (apparently IU thinks differently). We used to skip Wisconsin a lot when I was a kid too, and until the succession of fat guy coaches took over there, I was okay with skipping them too.
You are probably right, overall, but we can grow into some rivalries too. I remember when Penn State was a cool/weird OOC schedule in the mid-70's, and now I don't know if I could live without them.
I am torn between wanting to screw ND by blowing up the ACC and wanting them to just join the B1G already.
EDIT: As a corollary to this sentiment. We could screw them into joining by blowing up the ACC, thereby avoiding my internal conflict all together.
They would probably join the Big 12 before the B1G
Using corollary on my day off gets you a +1
GT should come true, world around the south is GT is in debt! big time.
Jsb
How about FSU? I don't know the politics, but it's not a stretch market-wise if the BIG picks up GT. Their only rival (UF) is out of conference anyway. I guess Miami is a rival, but they were a rival long before joining the ACC, so they could stay an out-of-conference rival. Great FB program (hype/moneywise at least) and a vastly improved basketball program. Academics are on par with mid-level BIG schools I think.
The checkmark against FSU has been that they aren't on the same level academically as the rest of the B1G.
Neither is Nebraska! FSU is tv markets and recruiting GOLD!
Nebraska was a member of aau but list their membership right b4 joining due to the aau cutting funding for (can't remember which) their most prestigious area of academics.
not worth looking up, but I think Nebraska has the most all-time academic all-americans in football.
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Nebraska is a huge agriculture school, which is why they lost their AAU membership.
35 hours to Pasadena! Go Bucks!
That and their lack of a medical school on campus. They have a medical school, but its a part of their university system and not their main campus.
living in FL shows that FSU is not the economic or tv powerhouse you would expect. If we have to add more, I would rather see them because they can play a little FOOTBALL even if they are not a cable market powerhouse
JLP36
Interesting. Land grant HL is reporting that this could happen within the next week.
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2012/11/30/3710442/georgia-tech-approved-by-big-ten-conference-expansion
The only way I see ND joining the B1G is if their revenue share as an independent from the new playoff system proves to be far less than what their B1G share would be. I think the new system is rigged to make ND happy. They're scheduling ACC schools and dropping the B1G schools in football this lending to the premise that they may join the ACC, but I somehow dont think their ACC share would be bigger than what they have now.
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The revenue share is already more than what they get individually from their TV contract. And that gap will widen a ton if Maryland's numbers are true. It's really more about branding than tv money, IMO. They need to feel they are a national brand. This could do that, I guess.
I don't even want Notre Dame anymore. I'm betting, at the very least the B1G goes to 18 teams, but maybe 20. Ga Tech will be 15, and I think they add UVA and UNC eventually. They aren't working in opposition with the SEC here though, they are working together to destroy the ACC and Big East. The SEC will end up with Va Tech and NC State. That way, politically the state legislatures are ok with the moves, both of their big state schools will be taken care of and will have moved to greener pastures. That would put the B1G at 17 and Either Notre Dame Joins, or The B1G looks west and grabs Kansas.
Of course, they could go north and try to grab Syracuse too. The reason I'm quite sure they'll go to 17 is, the B1G wants to contiguous states. Get Ga Tech along with Maryland, the only way to hook them up is to grap a VA and NC school. I that's why I feel they'll go west to grab Kansas. I'm not sure the end game ever really will be Notre Dame or Texas. I think it's going to be to lock down a huge area of the country with a lot of population growth. Obviously, you'll take Texas if they want to join, but I'm not sure the heavy hitters really are the end game as much as moving into areas where there's a lot of population growth to better position the conference in the future.
You could be right- looking more and more likely to me that it goes like you're thinking
To compensate for dividing the pie 20 ways, the revenue expansion would have to be huge.
If you're right, though, maybe it's all ploy to put the "ten" back into the Big Ten: two subconferences of 10. Big 10/10, or Big 10x2, or something. The divisions would be Ten West and Ten East.
Here's my thought about getting to 20. You secure Ga Tech, grab UVA and UNC you have a presence in 3 markets that are growing fast. Go out and add Kansas as team 18, then 19 and 20 are Texas and Notre Dame. Go west to add another team in Texas general vicinity for a division on that side. They are compromising Notre Dame's deal with the ACC with the passing of each day. Notre Dame will have to join in my opinion. If not, then opt to take another non AAU team and swipe Oklahoma. I think 18 happens pretty soon, and the end game still is Texas AND Notre Dame.
EDIT: Pretty soon, will be team 16, maybe UVA. Then the next phase(whenever they choose that to be) could be UNC or NC State plus Kansas(I hope) but maybe even Syracuse or Pitt(yuck). I just think going to Kansas makes more sense if your end game is to bring Texas and Notre Dame as teams 19 and 20.
If there are 20 teams, I don't think they'd have divisions.
The NCAA says you can have a championship game with 12 teams, but it has never specified how you have to pick those two teams.
I think with 20 teams you end up with 4 pods of 5 teams each. Every year you play the other four teams in your pod and one other pod. That's nine conference games. You rotate between the pods so you hit the teams in the other pods once every three years.
The idea is that you put rivals in the same pod, so our pod would probably be something like us, TSUN, Michigan State, and Illinois.
At the end of the year the two teams with the best conference record, regardless of what pod they are in, play in the championship game.
That is all allowable under the current NCAA ruleset.
Interest idea. Is that entirely your brainchild or a model that has circulated in various places?
I can't claim it. I've seen it floated around before.
I think the WAC tried it long ago but they called them quadrants rather than pods. Not sure it was exactly as I've described.
Hopefully, they put us in the Delta Quadrant:
Haha, love it!
Its fun to play a little- add teams to 20 and divide into divisions and pods. The pods actually are much more elegant than the divisions, plus I HATE who OSU ends up with if we do divisions.
I added teams I thought most likely based on the B1G's criteria- GA Tech, UNC, UVA, Notre Dame, Kansas, Texas.
I like OSU-Michigan-Michigan State-Illinois much better than being in the "eastern" division with GA Tech, UNC, UVA, Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, probably Notre Dame (due to its eastern ties) and two other teams.
You should seriously pitch this to Delaney. This would be really interesting. Though, my only critique would be to play the other four teams in your quadrant, along with 2 from each of the other three quadrants (these opponents will rotate every year). This is a ten game conference season, but with twenty teams it would be necessitated. I'd love to see it, though; it would really help get rid of the "sacrificial lamb" part of the season. Play one in-state school and a BCS conference member, and that's your non-conference season.
Me and Delaney aren't that tight....we hang in different circles. If he's at the Buffalo Wild Wings in Manassas, VA tomorrow I'll draw it up on a napkin for him.
The pods would give him the chance to add more horrible names if he wants too- Leaders Pod, Legends Pod, Rising Tiger Pod, Champions Pod, whatever.
The Big East is alredy destroyed. We are enlisting the SECs help in destroying the ACC now. Fl. st and Miami would fit in perfectly with the SEc agenda, good football powers and with FSU, shitty akademiks. Miami brings a thug quality along with fertile recruiting grounds. We take Ga Tech and UVA, already got MD. The whole ACC experiment is going to shit and hopefully it hurts ND in the process.
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My understanding from doing some reading on this subject is that Florida State and Miami won't be asked to join the SEC because there is already a member team in the state of Florida
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yep. i appreciate the inevitability of 16-team (or greater) super-conferences and the subsequent need to expand, but it seems to me that this latest round has less to do with what's good for the B1G and more to do with Jim Delany's Notre Dame obsession.
swing hard in case you hit it.
This. I like talking about this stuff, but at the end of the day, I want to watch good football . . . and failing that, I want to beat up on the teams that we have always beat up on. If we get ND and Texas . . . GREAT! But man, I don't want to lose playing MSU, Iowa, Wisky, and Nebby (new team but top 10 all-time team) so that I can play Maryland, GT, and Rutgers.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
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Haha, its an all-out arms race to get a superconference the fastest and with the largest tv markets. Tradition and quality be damned.
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Deep in the heart.....
So the Big Ten Network would have a presence in Chicago, New York\New Jersey, DC, AND Atlanta?
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
The funniest thing about the Longhorn Network from what I've read, is that not only is NO ONE watching it, but due to cable battles in Austin, where U of Texas is located, not even everyone in Austin can get the channel. HA!
Only 13% of households currently have access to the longhorn network IN TEXAS. So far, it's an abject failure.
Maybe they could do a Man of the House marathon to boost ratings?
Just spit up drink at that one Oyster....
Sorry about that. It just seemed obvious as a quick way to get a ratings boost. Personally, I think it is a great movie. Lots of suspense...
I live in Austin and have the Longhorn network. It is part of the same U-Verse tier that gets me access to the Big Ten Network (U-200). Hasnt been very interesting during football season but lets see how it does during basketball (when the BTN shines) and baseball.
Having GT also gives the B1G the ability to have night games late in the season. Who wouldn't love to see a highly ranked Buckeye squad roll into the dirty south and do some damage under the lights in November?
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I upvoted, but I also recall recently that Jim Delany said if a school wanted to have a night november game he wouldn't stop them so it could happen currently if they wanted to.
I for one can do without a night of my D lineman getting cut blocked all night shortly before the Michigan game...
JLP36
Could be bait to get UVA to move first.
One of the things I always enjoyed about CFB was the regionalism. The PAC 10 (8) was the west coast. The SEC was Dixie. Texas was Texas. The Big 10 was midwest football, and of course nobody on the east coast cares about CFB. Adding Nebraska maintained and enriched the regional flavor of the B1G. Adding ND would have done the same, but --you know-- screw ND. However, adding Rutgers, Maryland, and possibly GaTech, dilutes what the B1G has always represented to me. Although conference expansion seems to make good financial sense for the member institutions, it is hard to be excited by the ambitions of institutions.
Adding a BCS game and/or a national championship playoff is part of what ended this regionalism. The demand for a "real" national champion made it impossible to keep the regions apart except for a rare early season match up or a bowl game. Of course there is money behind all of this as well (but the money is a big part of adding the BCS and/or playoff)
Yes, that ship has long since sailed. I would love nothing better than 10 team regional conferences all playing round robin schedules. SECCG destroyed that a while back.
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On the bright side, it can augment an Urban Meyer strength (east coast recruiting) with Rutgers and MD. Also it gives us more of a recruiting presense in the state of Georgia.
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
I know Ga tech is 2nd fiddle by far in Georgia, BUT it does get the BTN in Atlanta and Georgia is a state Urban already recruits pretty well. Now recruits from that state will have good reason to join up. Bring em on!
Are you sure they're not 3rd fiddle?
yay we would get to see the triple option every year......
Fun fact: Greg Mattison provided the lone dissenting vote.
I was gonna attempt a joke about the triple option, you know like "Georgia Tech joins the B1G: Sources say they were the 3rd option" or something like that...
Paul Johnson is under performing. I have to imagine with a few extra bucks they will bring someone else in. I hate that triple option.
Yeah, but you know what they say, it's good to have options.
C'mon! You gotta keep him around for the potential headlines:
A Wisconsin\Georgia Tech game would last no more than an hour and a half.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
A wishbone derivative vs. a power I-Formation...
B1G partying like it's 1969...without the acid or good music.
90 rushes, 30 punts. Winner goes to whoever takes one of those punts back.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
Did someone mention acid and good music?
that last one is hilarious
All the games of the season are just practices for that glorious saturday in November when we get to jack Shoelace's invisible cereal bowl and drink our fill of delicious skunkweasel tears ...Michigan Still Sucks!!
I too love the triple option, but I hate the chop blocks that kill DLinemen. Put them in the other division.
Down with the ACC, long live the Big XII (for selfish reasons only)
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I'm tired of speculating and want them to stop expanding. all of them
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
we might as well bring in another tech school while we are at it...hmmm Texas Tech?
Ha, that'll be the day. Academics my friend. Never gonna happen.
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oh i know..i meant to put heavy sarcasm under that. but i figured me suggestion texas tech, people would figure it out haha
Understood.
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In my opinion, TV money is a bubble that is going to burst eventually.. Right now it's hot. I mean for crying out loud the Dodgers are rumored to be working on a deal that will pay them 240 million per year just for the TV rights! All this expansion is a result of huge money that is available. I don't think it's sustainable. So while the conferences swell right now. While the money is there it's the only thing that makes sense is to expand and try to grab as much of it as you can. I wouldn't be shocked if there's a day with a
...cliffhanger.
its like the end of the sopranos
Maybe there is something the government doesn't want us to know. I hope BTALBERT is okay.
You mean, something that Jim Delaney doesn't want us to know ;)
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to be continued...
LOL sorry guys this is what happens when I post while working! The end was supposed to say I wouldn't be surprised if there's a day with a bunch of 10 and 12 team conferences again when all is said and done. All though my original post was much more exciting, it implied some sort of conference Armagedon.
How are we to know this is really BTALBERT25 and not some usurper?
But, in response to your original post, what makes you think the TV money is going away?
I just don't see how it's sustainable long term. The amounts of money are growing so big so fast, I just don't know that the trend can keep up. I don't have any research or anything to back that up, just a gut feeling. I realize the economy isn't great, but what happens if we hit another really bad spot and advertisers cut way back on the dollars they are willing to spend? I also have to wonder how much is too much when the channels want more a of a cut from the provider and cable bills keep going up.
Again, I have no reason to say this is why, I just have a feeling. It's exploding right now, but have to think eventually there will be a correction. I've been wrong before so it wouldn't shock me if I am again.
While the growth might be somewhat unsustainable I don't think it is a bubble that would pop very far back to where it used to be. College football has a monopoly on something that a lot of people love, ie college football. So unless people's tastes change there will always be a lot of people willing to pump money into college football because they essentially have no other outlet.
I think TV dollars in the way we understand them now are already changing. The way that people take in media is quickly changing/diversifying.
It is pretty unclear to me whether all of these new formats will result in overall revenue growth or more of a leveling out. I am working on the assumption that college spots will become even more available on different devices/formats than they are now.
I think it is going away because of the internets. More and more young tech savvy people are passing on cable entirely to internet based tv options like hulu and netflix to balance it out, while pirating sports or watching it in bars.
I agree, eventually I think the cable bubble will burst. (Although its not going to be like the housing bubble) Eventually the rising cost of cable is going to push more and more people away from buying subscriptions. I have not paid for cable in 2 years, my sister hasn't had cable for 3 years and I have several friends that have cut cable this year.
I am pretty much the exact person you are describing, no cable. I use Hulu and have access to HBO Go. But I still find pirating sports from the internet to be a real pain or the broadcast is really poor quality. If I could get that reliably solved, I would be satisfied.
How do you get access to HBOGo without a cable subscription. I want that arrangement.
Yeah, I don't have cable either. I would if they would let me do al a carte programming instead of the stupid packages that include 200 channels I don't want or need.
cable's lifeblood is getting you to pay for a bunch of crap you don't want. Jim Delaney is counting on all of America paying for BTN. I am not sure everyone is excited by it.
JLP36
the mega-soopa-dupah conferences are headed towards a fiscal cliff...hanger!
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Here's our options for #16, assuming AAU membership and locations are considered:
Duke, Iowa State, Kansas, North Carolina, Pitt, Virginia, Stony Brook, Texas
bring on the fighting charlie weis'!!
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It could really bolster the B1G's fimmaking reputation. Between USC and UCLA, the PAC 12 is kicking our ass.
I'd take Stony Brook over NYU if we're talking New York schools. Yeah, the filmmaking thing is nice and all, but the name Stony Brook sounds like an apartment complex, so there's that.
We will have a recruit in the future named Brook Stoney. Watch.
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Heck, we have a WR/TE with the nickname "Stoney" right now.
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How is Stony Brook an option for #16? We need someone to counter how bad the last two teams we officially added. If I had to choose out of those I would take them in this order: Texas (duh!), North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, Iowa State. Wouldn't even touch the others.
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No Kansas, no Pitt and No Stony Brook guaranteed. Doubtful Iowa State. The expansion while they haven't added a football powerhouse, has added television markets none of those add any of that. Iowa State while geographically makes sense doesn't add anything in either sports or television market. I also doubt Duke or UNC would leave the ACC because of basketball. Texas is on their high horse and would never join the BIG I see them going independent before leaving a league like the Big 12. I think the only viable options would be either VTech or UVA. Can always hope for ND, but I don't think with the way the system ended up fitting them they would ever want to join a conference.
TV Markets aren't the only consideration though. Kansas basketball brings a brand that would add a lot of advertising dollars to the BTN. That's a part of it too. Nebraska didn't add a TV market, but the advertising bucks they brought in were huge.
Would (again selfishly) LOVE for it to be Kansas. 45 minute drive to Buckeye games is better than 9 hours.
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I have friends who live about 20 minutes outside of Lawrence, I've been a couple of times, I really like the town, and think the school would be a good fit for those who like the idea of having similar schools culturally.
I really think the B1G could push to 20, with the last 2 being Notre Dame and Texas. If that were to happen, it would make sense to make Kansas one of the next 4 to get up to 18. Kansas is not terribly far from Texas and you would have Texas, Kansas, Iowa, and Nebraska on that side, Add one more school Like Minnesota and you have a 5 team division.
I understand. I don't like all the expansion but thanks to Maryland and Rutgers joining, plus our game against Navy in Baltimore in two years, the number of games I can go just increased exponentially.
Instead of getting back to Columbus for one or maybe two, I'm going to be able to hit up three or four a year. That's pretty cool.
Even if they are against Maryland and Rutgers. And in that damn Happy Valley.
I'm with you Cplunk. Would love that. 2014 could be OSU travel party central for us DC/Ballmurr Bucks- at Navy, damn Happy Valley, and one/both of Maryland and Rutgers. I do hope that the Navy game won't be wiped off the schedule due to scheduling conflicts.
Don't underestimate the northwestern Iowa TV market, there are literally dozens of people out there.
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That's like watching a trainwreck. I wanted to look away, I felt bad for watching and I felt bad for everyone in it.
2nd only on to this video. "Cleveland tourism video"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM
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Please let it be Stony Brook. Even though they are FCS right now (I think), they can probably compete with Illinois. Good baseball squad too. Plus cool mascot (Seawolves). I'm in on SB.
When told OSU set school record for 50+ games this year, UFM said "That's good. We're gonna break that next year."
Stony Brook is FCS right now.. They're playing Montana State in Bozeman in the second round of the FCS Playoffs tomorrow night.
I'm gonna watch and scout...if i can find it on TV. Doubtful.
When told OSU set school record for 50+ games this year, UFM said "That's good. We're gonna break that next year."
It's on ESPN Gameplan because ESPN has exclusive broadcast rights to the entire FCS Playoffs. I'm getting ready to call the BWW by campus to make sure they're going to get it so I can watch.
And before you ask, I'm interested because I was a Montana State Bobcat before I became a Buckeye.
Edit to Add: It's on ESPN 3 too... So if you have cable you can watch it online.
ESPN hasn't reported it so it can't be true*
*sarcasm
Considering academics and location I'm thinking Vanderbilt might be an option. It would setup a footprint in Nashville, borders Georgia and is in SEC country.
Thsese additions seem to be less about sports and more about location and academics.
Why bless your heart, Vanderbiltonians could never join the B1G because we are uncultured and uncivilized since we wear jerseys to games, not the appropriate sundresses, pearls and Jack Rogers/blazers, khaki pants and Sperries- oh, the horror, the horror!
Boston College
They're not an AAU member. I think the only non-AAU member they will accept is Notre Dame. Although Nebraska was removed as a member in 2011.
exactly - not about aau anymore. BC has great academics and is in a great TV market.
Well yes and no. Yes, it is still about the AAU. Nebraska was added before they were booted from the AAU. Had they been booted prior to joining, the B1G would not have accepted them.
And no. I believe Notre Dame is the only non-AAU school they'll take. But, if BC is added, I won't cry about. The TV market and academics are great.
It is a great TV market, but the pro sports franchises up here in Beantown grab all the love. Interest in the Red Sox is strong year-round. By the time the Pats are done playing in late January and February, spring training has started, and the Bruins and even the Celtics — as storied a franchise as there is in sports — get short shrift from Bostonians.
I spent a lot of time in sports bars on Saturdays, before BTN (and before my cable provider offered BTN). There was virtually no interest in BC football. You had the gamblers seated at the bar, insisting that bartenders excavate the Tulsa-UTEP game, because they had money riding on it, and then you had pockets of ex-pat fans from big football programs: OSU, Michigan, Florida, Oklahoma, etc.
Truth be told, a lot of native-born Irish Bostonians favor Notre Dame over their in-town Catholic school team. Folks in the target demographic may have come of age when Doug Flutie brough the Eagles to prominence, but a lot of them were already raised Irish fans by their fathers.
I don't doubt that picking up BC would land BTN on basic cable: at least once when BC was in the Big East, BC-Temple trumped OSU/Michigan on ABC and pushed The Game back to pay-per-view. I think that was 2004, and I'm still picking up the pieces from the psychic fracture I suffered that day. Now that BC is in the ACC, you see far more noon games with UNC and Wake Forest than any human being who has not committed a major crime should have to watch. But college sports are a red-headed stepchild up here, and the truth is BU hockey gets about as much attention as BC football.
For some reason, I think so too. When all this expansion stuff began I thought BC & Maryland. Not for TV revenue, Crab cakes and Chowder !!
GT doesn't help improve football at all in the Big Ten and I'm not sure BC would help it much!!
It should be clear to you by now that it's not about improving conference athletic stature.
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I had the pleasure of attending High School with Jason Snider, currently Georgia Tech's Head of Football Operations at Vinton County High School back in the early-mid '90s. Jason was an absolute BEAST on the field and later went on to attend The Naval Academy where he became team Captain. He also happens to be a HUGE Buckeye fan and overall good guy.
We were part of an undefeated/untied Viking team that finished our year 10-0 and ranked 2nd in the state of Ohio in Div II that year. We also had the dubious distinction of being the only High School in Ohio to finish unbeaten and not make the state playoffs due to the fact that our conference was/is comprised of much smaller, lightly regarded D-IV, V, and VI. schools. And, thusly not having enough computer points to move on.
I bring this up only because as much love and fondness as I have for a member of the GT family & would like to see the B1G add a few more teams to strengthen the conference I just cant see this move helping to dispell the publics perception of the B1G being weak.
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Maybe Delany should just run with the BTN and create a national league to compete with the NCAA. Schools would own their teams, dispense with the whole 'student-athlete' thing, and run the athletic departments as franchises. Notre Dame would love it. Delany already has his own network to broadcast games. Sever the NCAA affiliation and just run a pro league where you can pay the players. Fans would be able to see top programs compete against each other weekly, and finish it off with a full playoff with wildcards and a minor league super bowl.
Perhaps that's what he and Slive will end up doing if both conference make a push to 18-20 teams.
at least this addition comes with a built-in loss to an SEC school on an almost annual basis. sigh.
swing hard in case you hit it.
apparently im slow i just got this haha. well played
Big Ten speed
Seems like there are two competing revenue models here:
(1) Add any team necessary to get your network on Basic Cable in major East Coast cities.
(2) Set a gigantic exit penalty for your conference and wait for it to get raided.
Not sure which one is the better bet, at this point. If the ACC gets anything close to the $106MM it's due for these departures, and it gets to split those dollars among the schools that are left, that's good money, and you only had to give up Maryland's C- and Georgia Tech's B- football programs to get there.
Not sure why the ACC doesn't just stand pat and collect, maybe offer up Boston College.
That money is great until they negotiate their next TV contract. Long term losses will be much more than the short term money provided by the exit fees.
Why don't we bring Chicago back. Get those academics up
Get the academics for Chicago up? Chicago is still part of the CIC (the B1G's academic arm) and brings the conference plenty of money.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Naw, bro. The ability to have a big ten school recruit with those ivy league athletes
What are you talking about?
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Hint: I'm not being serious and was in response to the Stoney Brook talk above.
Chicago isn't Ivy League bro
University of Chicago has had more Nobel laureates than any of the Ivy League schools. Only Cambridge has had more. Just saying.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_university_affiliation
Word. My alma mater is now #3 on the Nobel Laureate list I see. Thanks for the info :P
Love this, brings the Big Ten footprint into the SE, good exposure. I think adding ND or a Florida team would be best next. I know that everyone will hate this, but what about Miami? No real alligence to the ACC. I'd rather have FSU though.
The penalties Miami is about to get will make PSU's penalties look like a minimum security white-collar prison.
I don't know. Penn State got absolutely annihilated by the NCAA and despite their shit eating grins, their brand of football will suffer for a long while.
I am curious to see what happens to Miami but I'd bet it falls between USC and Penn State.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
I have to be honest, I love conference expansion. I think it's fun to talk about and is pretty fascinating to watch unfold. I also think it'll be neat to watch it possibly crash one day and see how everything divides up in the aftermath. I do think it could help ultimately lead to a major change in the NCAA and how it does business, or it could completely get rid of the need to have the NCAA. Slive and Delaney, along with the university presidents in those 2 huge conference will wield a lot of power I think.
Yeah, I could see a crash coming in the future as well. As long as we have our rivalry with Michigan that is what I care about most.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
Land-Grant Holy Land is reporting on the GT move too. Interesting read.
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2012/11/30/3710442/georgia-tech-approved-by-big-ten-conference-expansion
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
My pure guess is that the next target in a 16 school league would be V Tech.
18-team league: V. Tech with two of Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas/ND.
If they wanted Syracuse, they would have prepared for that transition beforehand. Now it would be messy, I'm guessing.
I'm also assuming there's no way to split up UNC, UVA, NC State, Duke.
My Submission for a possible new conference logo...
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
Living in the state of Georgia, I LOVE this. I'll get to see the Buckeyes play a lot more.
I live down the street from Ga Tech.....This is awsome
All labor that uplifts humanity has dignity and importance and should be undertaken with painstaking excellence. ~Martin Luther King, Jr.
http://www.sportspickle.com/news/14737/big-ten-changes-its-name-to-big-64-insists-its-done-expanding
It's starting to look like the goal here for the Big Ten is to expand until every school is part of it, thereby reconstituting the entire NCAA under the B1G umbrella.
As I said last week in another thread, Virginia and North Carolina make more expansion sense to me than Georgia Tech, which is distinctly the second-place school in its state when it comes to fan fervor, and arguably second even in the Atlanta market. But if this is the direction we go in, so be it.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Seems like the only surefire way to get an SEC team to schedule a November nonconference game with the B1G. Now if only we could get it to snow in Atlanta . . .
Snow machines. I think that would get under the SEC's skin more than an actual snow storm.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Give me Va Tech... I'd like to see a competitive school step into the conference. Even tho I'm not sure if you would call them competitive anymore.
Va Tech is overrated pretty much every year. That said, they would be more exciting to play than Virginia.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
I can't insert this video. Click here for my opinion.
Ohio State's band SLAUGHTERED Michigan's band. If this were a football game, it would have been Florida State vs. Savannah State. - SB Nation following OSU vs. UM 2012
Guess some people are backing off this rumor.
vacuuming sucks
Interesting...? Don't love this rumor but I guess we will wait and see.
Why change the logo? What's bigger than a 16 or 20 team conference?
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
There basketball is horriable there coached by Dayton coach Brian Greggory.
Can someone please tell me what keeps Congress from getting involved if Delaney adds 3 from the ACC? At what point does Capitol Hill start tossing around anti-trust violations? 17...18...20 teams?
How can anyone claim that it is anti-trust? There are multiple other VERY lucritive (better) divisions and each univerisity is a not-for-profit organization. I don't think it applies.
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SEC has an interest in NC State and VT. They are not looking at UNC at all.
Also March Madnnes will be chump cange compared to football playoff system almost a half billion dollars.
funding potential from the CIC. Currently, the amount of money that UNC receives for research is significantly more than any single athletic department in the country. As a research institution, this is obviously important.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Institutional_Cooperation
As much as I love the Buckeyes, the B1G really needs to add a big time football program. I would hate to see the Buckeyes not make it into the NC playoff bc the SOS is terrible
not a problem if half of the teams are in the B1G
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
ACC FOTBALL attendance.
No. 15 Clemson (547,635)
No. 16 Florida State (544,893)
No. 28 Virginia Tech (397,398)
No. 32 NC State (394,008)
No. 33 North Carolina (392,000)
No. 39 Miami (340,576)
No. 41 Georgia Tech (337,622)
No. 43 Virginia (335,582)
No. 51 Maryland (296,484)
No. 65 Wake Forest (223,769)
No. 68 Boston College (214,255)
Hard to believe that is true with Miami anywhere but the bottom. Stadium was empty every game.
That has to be paid attendance figures. Maybe it was Nevin Shapiro's way of 'giving back' to theeeee U.
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
Big drop off after FSU. Never knew Clemson was so high!
I don't know if there's any truth to this, but Delaney was reportedly seen meeting with Hu Jintao, and BTN camera crews are currently getting establishing shots at Beijing University. More details to follow...
Accumulated Attendance (total)
No. 1: Ohio State (842,221; eight games)
No. 2: Michigan (782,776; seven games)
No. 3: Penn State (729,636; seven games)
No. 13: Wisconsin (559,035; seven games)
No. 17: Michigan State (514,894; seven games)
No. 20: Iowa (494,095; seven games)
No. 38: Minnesota (346,593; seven games)
No. 41: Purdue (336,443; seven games)
No. 42: Illinois (325,126; six games)
No. 61: Indiana (251718; six games)
No. 72: Northwestern (218,696; six games)
Average Attendance Per Game
No. 1: Michigan (111,825)
No. 2: Ohio State (105,278)
No. 3: Penn State (104,234)
No. 16: Wisconsin (79,862)
No. 19: Michigan State (73,556)
No. 21: Iowa (70,585)
No. 38: Illinois (54,188)
No. 45: Minnesota (49513)
No. 46: Purdue (48,063)
No. 57: Indiana (41,953)
No. 68: Northwestern (36,449)
I think everyone should remember that the B1G's end game is probably either ND or Texas. Getting either or both of those programs would be huge for the B1G. However, I don't see how we get either unless one/or both of those conferences are gutted by expansion raiding.
I think we could get ND if we could get North Carolina, Virginia and Georgia Tech aboard. The ACC would be real hard pressed to replace those schools. It also should trigger an SEC feeding frenzy to pick what they want. All schools involved here are AAU members and are in contiguous states. The only outlier is ND, but I believe they would get in for the same reason Nebraska did.
I think we could get Texas if were to get Kansas, Iowa St or Missouri, and Oklahoma. The Big 12 would have to try to deal with the loss of 1/3 of their conference. Might also set off another expansion feeding frenzy. Again all are AAU members with the exception of Oklahoma, but we'd take them like we would for ND.
JMHO...
Your honest opinion is honestly pretty good.
Agree on the ND side.
Do not think Texas gives a lick about any listed except Oklahoma, and that even that is not nearly as deep as ABC likes to make it out to be. Marriage of convenience between Big 8 and SWC giants, with Oklahoma sucking up after Nebraska left them in the lurch when the Sooners were down. And now that Oklahoma is dominating them, Texas would have no problem finding a new bitch or going back to its old bitches: SMU, Rice et. al.
Playing western Big 10 teams would suit Texas fine - expecially since Nebraska has been their bitch in big 12 title games.
What would actually happen in let's say 5-10 years if the expansion bubble bursts and it is no longer feasible for super conferences to exist?
Glorious, exciting fragmentation!
Nothing changes. We'll be sitting here speculating about it.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
Does GT have to pay the 50 million buyout like Maryland.
The short answer is yes, they'll have the same buyout as Maryland.
But, I've read that Maryland will more than likely be able to settle the matter for a reduced rate of 20-30 million.
if we go to 16 teams the league should like this
Pod A - PSU, Rutgers, GT, UNC
Pod B - OSU, MD, Purdue, MSU
Pod C - UM, Scum, Wiscy, NW
Pod D -Unl , Iowa, Illinois, Indiana
each team would play their pod annually, three other rivals annually, and then 3 of the remaining conference members annually (which means they play everyone at least once every three years.
You have to put Michigan in the same pod as OSU or else The Game would not be played every year. Your rival has to be in the same pod. Each year you play all the teams in your pod and all the teams in one other pod (9 conference games) which rotates each year.
I think it goes twenty and I think its something more like this:
Pod A: Notre Dame, Penn State, UNC, UVA, GA Tech
Pod B: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Rutgers, Maryland
Pod C: Texas, Kansas, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois
Pod D: Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Indiana
I think Delaney would want Rutgers to play Notre Dame as often as possible though, so who knows...just one thought.
Pod C looks pretty unbalanced
I would think they could reduce the fee if they contnue tio play acc teams in football and basketball.
Is this serious? Are we really going to be adding again??? Opening up the georgia pipeline for recruiting would be great.
It is serious and it is possible, but it may or may not be true...
Original rumor said that GA Tech would announce in 7-10 days, so I guess 11 days from now we'll know one way or the other...
Well, this was unexpected. I didin't think we'd be adding more teams so soon. I would have to take a wait and see approach to this.
FWIW: Some are reporting that there may be no truth to Georgia Tech joining the B1G. Apparently the person who first tweeted the information has since shut down his twitter account. Also, just last week GT attached their name to the list of ACC schools in the lawsuit to hold Maryland to paying up for bolting to the B1G.
I still wouldn't be surprised if it is the next domino to fall. They were rumored to have an offer when Rutgers and Maryland joined the B1G. Usually, even the early unconfirmed rumors have a little bit of truth to them. Not sure it'll happen or not, but it wouldn't be a surprise if they join in the next couple of weeks.
cplunk Big ten will never take Kansas the tv market is to small.
Not true-
The TV market for Kansas City (whis predominantly Missouri territory, but that doesnt mean BTN can't leverage for subscriptions) is #31, one higher than Columbus, Ohio.
The TV market for Wichita is #69, two higher than Iowa's market and way higher than Wisconsin's market (#89).
If you can leverage Wichita cable and a percentage of Kansas City, plus the rest of Kansas (Topeka is #118 on its own), you actually come within stirking distance of Columbus.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/09/10/nielsen-local-television-mar...
AND putting Kansas basketball on the BTN is gold for advertising dollars. That's a team, like Nebraskas football, that people want to watch. Can you imagine a game with KU against MSU or IU on the BTN? That would have big bucks being spent by Rotel and Haas Avacados!
Your point is valid as far as branching out and advertising dollars go, but BTN normally gets the less than stellar matchups for both football and basketball. While I would love to see KU play MSU or IU, those games would more than likely land on ESPN or CBS. And your mention of Rotel and avocados has made me hungry...
This is true, but I remember a couple of years ago when Purdue and the Buckeyes were both really good, being frustrated by not finding the game on TV because it was on the BTN and I didn't have it at that time. I guess it wasn't the brands that IU and KU are, but KU could play a ranked B1G school on the BTN, is what I was mostly getting at there.
Here's a map I created. I like to see things visually. I wanted to create a footprint for the B1G. This is the black circle. The black circle has a center near the geographic center of the B1G (in 2014) and a radius of half the distance between Rutgers and Nebraska. Current B1G members in black. Future members in blue. The gold circles represent media markets (top 60) within the footprint. Non-B1G AAU members within the footprint are in red. I included all AAU members regardless of how likely/unlikely they were to be future members.
Well done, dude.
If I count right, there are 26 of the top 60 media markets within that circle?
When are we grabbing state colllege of Ottawa?
That is impressive. It shows what a grab GTech would be for the B1G. Even if they are not popular, B1G alum in Atlanta will watch.
Buffalo is an AAU member? I learn new things every day!
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Fortunately, Buffalo (the city) is all the way down at 51 in terms of major media markets. I was already depressed at the addition of Rutgers/Maryland. Adding a Buffalo or Iowa State would make me want to jump off a bridge.
Never said I wanted to add UB, I just didn't know they were an AAU member. The MAC can keep them.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Didn't think that's what you were saying. I was saying I'm glad they and ISU don't meet Delaney's biggest criteria, even though they meet the AAU one.
;-) Hello friend
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
Great resource ... Delaney probably has the same map (or he should).
We gotta remember that the circle around Topeka might be 20 times smaller than the one around Atlanta and 100 times smaller than the NYC/Phila circle.
GTech makes a lot of sense for population and recruiting and academics and tradition, but looking at the map, there's no other school that would improve us. NDame is the be all end all and any other would be a massive disappointment. I guess if I had a gun to my head NC would be next and then I'd go with non-listed Syracuse and/or BC. The western alternatives are small in every way (except KU hoops, which we don't need). Vandy is just a neutered. puny version of Stanford.
So, they may be arrogant, and they may have insulted us, but NDame is it.
People made some good points about the size of the media markets. I've revised the map and uploaded it to Flickr.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/schierbuck/8237716401/in/photostream
Markets that are in the top ten I increased the circle radius to 90 miles. Markets from 11 to 26 are 60 and still gold. Markets from 27 to 35 are bronze with a 45 mile radius. The smallest markets in the top 60 are silver with a 30 mile radius.
I believe that Fox is behind all of this....With Fox Sports1 channel set to debut in August of next year they are trying to find a way to compete with ESPN. Imagine if Delany does spark a new league outside of the NCAA....I imagine that the BIG and the SEC are actually working together to destroy college football as we see it. The Big 12 and the pac 12 will be there to pick up the remaining pieces. It will definitely be interesting seeing what takes place.
All labor that uplifts humanity has dignity and importance and should be undertaken with painstaking excellence. ~Martin Luther King, Jr.
Rupert Murdoch strikes again.
Why would the SEC want to destroy college football? They have an monopoly over media bias and champions in CFB. I'm going to guess this is sarcasm...
The SEC has already destroyed CFB for me as far as I'm concerned :/
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
Think about it.... If the BIG and SEC pulled efforts to create a new league its more money for all parties involved. New TV deals would be drawn up and it could be like an amateur league without the enforcement of NCAA rules
All labor that uplifts humanity has dignity and importance and should be undertaken with painstaking excellence. ~Martin Luther King, Jr.
"without enforcement of NCAA rules" OH NOOO "nobody cheats better than the SEC"
We are indeed doomed!
Or the Pac 12 takes who they want from the Big 12 like they almost did last time and outdoes both the Big 10 and SEC.
This all about football not basketball. Nobody cares about NCAA basketball compare to playoff money . Can your basketball bring in .a billions in 2 years.
Gt is the ACC championship game.
I really don't want this to happen. I get the academics and the demographics, but we all know that football drives the bus - and the interest. We have completely ruined the Big Ten conference. We will see Ohio State play Iowa, Nebraska and Michigan State once every 5-6 years now, but we will likely be playing Maryland, Rutgers and GT every season? Absolutely ridiculous. Oh, and we just added another team that will get hammered by the almighty SEC every year. Awesome.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
I'd just as soon watch them play Maryland as MSU personally. Michigan State isn't often that exciting of a game and with Notre Dame and Michigan on the upswing again, they won't land as many solid recruits as they were. In my opinion MSU had a nice little 2 or 3 year run that has ended and now they likely will return back to their 4-6 loss per year form.
Defending triple option football every other scares me.
~Because we couldn't go for three~
Sherman didn't lay as much waste to the national landscape as Jim Delaney. Well done sacking Atlanta, good sir.
Famous Quotes in American History:
"War is hell." ---- General William T. Sherman
"Conference expansion is hell." ----- Commissioner Jim Delaney
I believe NC and Virgina are tied together. Clemson and FSU go the Big 12
amd big east and ACC become 1 conferance.
If that is the case, in terms of quality football ~ Big12 2-0, Big10 0-3
I noticed someone mentioned Vandy as an AAU member which got me thinking, what if Delany managed to poach one of the other AAU members from the SEC, specifically that little school in Gainesville, Florida. a real pipe dream i know, but consider this...
1. they're an AAU member
2. increases conference strength both athletically and academically
3. more accessability for recruiting in florida (not so much an issue for us, but the other conference schools could take advantage of this to improve their on-field product, and thereby improve conference quality)
4. Florida gets to become a bigger fish in a medium sized pond. we could see Florida-OSU conference title games for possibly the next decade. just a guess but that would be a more appealing match for them then consistently dealing with LSU & Bama
5. it weakens the SEC and shakes their self perceived air of invincibility to the core.
6. obviously $$$
7. let them keep their rivalries of the "cocktail party" and FSU game, again to start a systemic dismantling of SEC superiority through mounting losses to a B1G team in the cocktail party.
8. the thought of a contest between Urban and Muschamp for who can shoot more lasers out of their eyes into a ref after a bad call just seems awesome to me.
9. it'll make Bielama cry even more
10. and as a final consideration...their cheerleaders on a nice cold november saturday in the Shoe....why no i had not noticed it's chilly....think about it
All the games of the season are just practices for that glorious saturday in November when we get to jack Shoelace's invisible cereal bowl and drink our fill of delicious skunkweasel tears ...Michigan Still Sucks!!
Why would anyone want to leave the SEC? They are supposed to be launching their own network in 2014 that (they believe) will rival the BTN and stand to make oodles of money for each school. Not to mention, many would view the move as a step down for Florida as the SEC is seen as the best conference in the history of the world.
like i said a total pipe dream. i realize there are probably just as many if not more arguments as to why they'd stay in SEC, so just a little wishful thinking is all
All the games of the season are just practices for that glorious saturday in November when we get to jack Shoelace's invisible cereal bowl and drink our fill of delicious skunkweasel tears ...Michigan Still Sucks!!
The only SEC school who would even consider defecting to the B1G is Missouri. And I doubt they would even pull the trigger.
I gotcha. My comment was also made in jest.
If the big ten goal more Tvs Virgina makes more sense over Vt.
There is no way this is accurate. Baltimore and DC have tons of VT alums. VT is a much better choice.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
DAITHEFLU is right. DC and northern VA (NOVA) are filled with VT fans. I lived all over DC/NOVA for a decade and knew many VT fans; and only one Wahoos fan.
ATXBUCKNUT-
Tried to upvote you and my crap phone downvoted you. I'll catch you with a upvote on another comment. Sorry.
That happened to me before... I UpV'd him for ya
Tom Crean listens to Nickelback...
I think you're missing all the UVA fans in Central and Southeast VA. That combines to be a huge market and rivals that of the NoVA market, which is a very mixed CFB market, not dominated by any particular team, like the NYC market.
"I like to kick Michigan's ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of gum."
I don't think southern VA rivals NOVA in terms of viewing households, but you are right that I kind of overlooked that market altogether. It is still a sizeable market.
If you include all of southern VA (Richmond, VA Beach/Norfolk, and points around Roanoke) they can form a sizable market.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
I wonder what sneeky Slive is planning in the SEC. My guess is we get the good academic ACC schools, and the SEC goes after Clemson, Va Tech, FSU, and Miami.... you know... football powers.
Spitballin':
B18 soon to be B20
add Rutgers, Maryland, Georgia Tech, UNC, Duke, Virginia (+Texas and ND)
SEC
add Virginia Tech, Clemson, NC State, FSU, Miami, another (west virginia makes sense)
PAC-20
add Oklahoma, Okie State, Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
randon leftover conference (BigEast)
Wake Forest, Boston College, Cincinnati, Uconn, Syracuse, Pitt, Lousiville, USF, Temple
The kick in the nuts I fear will be we dont get Texas and Notre Dame, and we end up with Iowa State and Boston College or something.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
The way this is going, I'd be much more willing to put my $$$ on the former happening than the latter.
I have zero confidence Delaney pulls a ND or Texas out of hat at this point. That's the stuff pipedreams are made of.
Sec kind of has there own it call Ion network. They show Sec games every Saturday at 11 am. These games are teams you don't want to watch.
Please let this be just another internet rumor! The B1G is a Union conference, dammit! Admitting a team from Georgia would just be... WRONG!
I'd prefer no expansion at all. But if you're going to expand, why not pick up a team like Syracuse? Sure, they suck now. But they would bring a lot of feel-good football history with them. Plus, they would help shore up the NYC television market.
Just say no to Georgia Tech!!!
Real fans stay for Carmen.
There's no need to "shore up" the NYC market. The YES network acquisition already did that. Why would we say no to Georgia Tech? They're excellent academically, they've been competitive in football the past 5-10 years, and they would give the BTN an entry into the Atlanta market. All are positives to me. This move would also open up Georgia to recruiting.
Edit: Also, if your best reason for not wanting them to join is "Those daggum sons a bitches seceded and fought us 150 years ago", then I'd say it's a good thing you aren't the commissioner and that Delany is.
It's about AAU membership. I wish we would go after Virginia Tech, won't happen. You would think Boston College would be a good get for the New England market. BC is the only decent team in that area. I guess maybe UConn?
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
No UConn. Adding them is like adding another Rutgers; I don't think Delaney is interested in adding two teams in New York when he only needs one.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
I have a feeling the BIG is going to end up with a ton of revenue but a very poor football conference. So far to me at least, it seems like other conferences have gotten the better of us with their expansion teams.
Yes there are two Buckeyes in Ann arbor on this site!
Well hopefully they use these revenues to invest in their program. They will be able to hire better coaches, build better facilities, and attract blue chip recruits. It might be beneficial in the short run to add a poor academic school that is strong in football but I think in the long run the added revenues to the program will cause them to grow and become a lot better while still not sacrificing academics.
Buckeye till I'm dead
Poor football conference right now- things change.
i can remember a time when nobody had ever heard of the Miami Hurricanes and schools like Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse, SMU, BYU, and Tennessee were big powers. Alabama's glory years were past, Florida had never really accomplished much on the big stage, and Washington was crushing people over on the west coast. And Oregon? Who the heck was Oregon?
Heck, I watched Clemson win a national title.
Things change. If I mention there's a Boston College-Pitt game on now, nobody cares. If Washington is playing SMU, I promise that's not on tv.
Expansion is about money primarily, but I think people shouldn't forget that it also changes the landscape. It switches recruiting and who gets seen on tv more in various regions, it changes facilities and coaching staffs. It changes the framework of the game.
Twenty years from now the SEC will not be the best conference. Teams you don't think much of will be powers you can't imagine not being in the top ten every year and teams that are good now will be like modern day Washington or Pitt.
We may be a great conference football wise, and we might have some teams that are top 20 year in and year out that right now you'd laugh at.
Agreed 100%.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
https://twitter.com/Mr_KevinJones/status/274650651634573312
It also seems that Virginia might be joining Georgia Tech
Buckeye till I'm dead
I don't know how credible this dude is but M!chigan might be getting its southern d-bag counterpart with UVA.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Just another team for us to beat up on. Hopefully these two additions will allow us to bring in North Carolina and Notre Dame as the final two schools
Buckeye till I'm dead