PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
What is this all about?
Cleveland (Ohio) Glenville offensive lineman Marcelys Jones, committed to #OhioState, says he's very interested in #UK and visiting soon.— J.Rowland (@RowlandRIVALS) March 6, 2013
Cleveland (Ohio) Glenville offensive lineman Marcelys Jones, committed to #OhioState, says he's very interested in #UK and visiting soon.
from what I can read it says he is committed to Ohio State and interested in KY.
obviously hope he stays OSU, but at this point I'm not worried about decommittments, Meyer and staff will be able to find others if he goes else where.
Favorite Buckeye: Obviously BJ Mullens
Apparently Marcelys tweeted this today also: “Just because you committed don’t mean anything until you sign that letter that’s were most people get lost at.”
Good luck Mr. Jones!!
I really think all of these players are going to flirt with other offers/schools, until suddenly they see OSU is contending for a National Title yet again next year, and then they're going to be begging the staff to let them keep their spot when higher profile guys come calling lol. There's a reason why spots are kept open for the big-name guys who commit around NSD in February.
I don't blame him for seeing what's out there, I'm sure the OSU staff feels the same way about some of the higher-profile OL out there. It's a business after all.
I guess this would be the flip-side of the non-committable offer - the non-committable commitment - done by a starry-eyed teenager: "I'm sort of mostly committed, unless I see something better, and well, you can't expect me to not look, and... of course I'm committed to you, unless I change my mind, and I reserve the right to change my mind, and... what were we talking 'bout?"
No real comment here other than... holy crap that was a lot of hyphens in one sentence. Impressive.
Nailed it, Zen.
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." Charlton Heston(1924-2008)
I like it, compared to the, "Here is an offer, but not really because you can't accept it. We really like this other guy, but if he doesn't work out we'll let you know when you actually get an offer. For right now we are just going to tease you and because you can't commit, being non-committable, there is no risk, but it makes you think there is a chance. Let's see how these three other guys pan out first, then we will will let you know, but congratulations on your offer from ______ that actually doesn't mean jack squat."
Apparently a commitment doesn't mean what it did when I was a kid. Take your time, take your visits and commit when ready in my opinion.
Oh well, off the soapbox I go.
It do mean something...I means you've verbally accepted an offer and are currently taking a spot tOSU has to account for...a spot they don't want to hold for you if you aren't committed (or as committed as a verb conveys to your would be coaches and teammates).
We are at fault for making these kids the way they are by putting so much emphasis on the recruiting of 15-18 year olds. They either need a early signing period of just eliminate all this early commit nonsense.
I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me
Is it just me, or does J.Rowland really look like a garden troll gnome?
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
It's fine. He can visit wherever he wants. Though I do wish more recruits were like Cam, and Jalin Marshall.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
This stuff makes you appreciate players like Marshall, burrows, apple, bosa, etc.
And based on his 'level' of commitment we can fill his spot with somebody else. Works both ways.
Thankfully, Damon Webb seems to be of the same cloth
Cause I couldn't go for three
agree on damon webb, he seems to be on the up and up with his commitment, i like how osu is recruiting these big corners now like apple, webb and burrows, plus when you have good safety help, which i think we will, it can compensate for any lack of speed, if any exists
We all.know he's going to flirt with other schools. This is no biggy imo. I'll worry when he decommits
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We heard this a month ago when there were rumors of him going to FSU.
He probably wants to be wined and dined (proverbially, of course)- can't begrudge him that, I guess. If he signs somewhere else, it just opens up a spot for someone who wants to be here.
The postgame show is brought to you by... Christ, I can't find it. The hell with it...
Marcelys also tweeted about Se'von transferring and wondered why so many players were leaving the Bucks. I think he has too much time on his hands and needs to concentrate on making himself a better player. Seventeen year old kids also like all this attention.
Jones wants attention. Enough said
Thank you Alex think of it as the usual Glenville recruiting game except being already committed. People keep forgetting he committed to the school his late mother attended as a way of honoring her.
Oh, high school kids with poor grammar and thinking they understand things where the rest of us "get lost"...he will make waves every month or so to try to stay in the news.
If he really is considering leaving a regular NC title contender for a team that has among the worst odds in the country with ever winning a conference title or getting into the NC picture is not overly concerned with winning.
But, he'll be in the SEC. He'll get a championship ring as long as Bama, LSU, UF, etc. win the championship!
Isn't that how it works?
+1 lmao. Yep
When someone shows you who they are believe them! In other words piss a good friend off and see what they really think about you.
The chances of Jones de-committing are about as high as the chances that he'll shut up about it. Sounds like it's going to be a long and annoying road with this one, but I guess he'll end up a Buckeye.
This is going to sound really mean of me, but hear me out. I liked every recruit we got in this class. I was really excited about all of them, and even with the crazy Zeke stuff, at least he handled it well. Big fan of all of the kids we've brought in. Same can be said for guys like Campbell, Trout, and Webb this year.
But if you're the first recruit and you're pulling stunts like this, crying out for attention, when you were the one who wanted to commit early, I'm not going to respect you. Jones has to be my least favorite recruit since I started following recruiting (a bit before NSD 2012), which sounds mean, but come on man.
Last year, Marshall, Bosa, Burrows, pretty much everyone in our class helped recruit the other guys. Same can be said this year for Campbell, Trout, and Webb. I haven't seen Jones do anything of the sort. I bet that if he didn't go to Glenville and tried to pull this, Urban would pull his scholly and go for someone who really wants it.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
I agree with you TBO.
And I'd say, the worst part is that I see this kind of thing as becoming less the exception to the rule, and more the rule itself. I can understand in the case of coaching changes (ala Dontre Wilson, Reuben Foster, Trey Johnson, Dee Liner), but why commit to the team in the first place if you're not COMMITTED? Other than to try to save your spot and still get attention elsewhere -- which is a bit disingenuous imo. I can't blame them completely, though. Recruits see this as a business because I think many coaches see this as a business.
Agree BadOwl...first recruit is supposed to be a good one, helping out where he can.....
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
He doesn't sound "committed" to me at all. The word has lost its meaning (when it comes to recruiting)
I wanna know who whored out the terms "committed" or "verbal." Everyone just keep their mouths shut until signing day. Also, Marcelys better be one hell of a player if hes choosing to act like this.
Not a great start to your prospective Buckeye career. Consider other schools sure, but there's absolutely no need to get public about it.
Think a lot of these kids, they ain't men yet, don't respect how blessed they are. Most of them are done with football after college, even if they've been fortunate enough to make it that far. Let alone receive a scholarship to play at a big name university at the highest level possible.
Keep it private, be glad to hear back from you after next February.
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
With the way this stuff goes these days maybe we should start asking recruits if their commitment is committable or not.
Ohio State > Kentucky all day. Good luck, Jones. Not too worried about losing him, we still have Urban Meyer. NEXT.
It didn't say he decommited. :/
Well, by those tweets, it sure sounds like it will be in his future...
he has been saying this for a while now. Nothing new with this guy.
I think we all put too much emphasis on what we hear (regardless of whether its vocally, via tweet or on any social networking site) End of the day what he does has no bearing on my life or that of my family. How many 17 year olds do you know that don't love being the center of attention? He's just playing the game. Actions speak louder than words or tweets or anything you might read on a social network site.
Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.
They do have Ashley Judd and that doesn't suck....yep that about sums it up.
Toledo - Ohio's right armpit
"A troll by any other name is still a troll".
Someone on here must be a Wildcat lol
Kentucky is definitely a lower tier than OSU, but much like marijuana to harder drugs, it's a gateway school to the South.
Echoing the thoughts of a lot of others on here, verbal commitments this early should only be done if you are 99% certain you want to be a Buckeye. He couldn't even last a couple months without looking at other schools.
+1 for the drug metaphor
By that logic does that make Indiana the bath salt of the Big 10?
Maybe the smelling salt
I would guess that UFM disagrees on what a verbal commitment means as well as the recruits. I just always wonder why we think we get to set that standard.
You have to ask yourself, if a recruit wants to go to Kentucky over OSU is this a recruit we would really want?
Im not worried and I do not care.
The more important question to ask is if you are a recruit, do you care what a fan base says about the biggest decision of your life? Sorry but its a big decision for him. Allow him to go through the process he needs to go through.
Dude your wisdom is boundless. Please enlighten us with more of your moral teachings.
Screw you dude all the guy said was that ultimately Jones needs to make the right decision for himself.
Or screw you. What everyone else is saying is that if this is such a HUGE decision, he shouldn't have given his verbal already.
.......And there's the comment I've been looking for. I always hear "it's a big decision" and "I don't blame him for looking" blah blah blah. I agree with those opinions for certain circumstances and already verbally committed to a school is not one of them. In my opinion, you give a school your word and then still look around I see that as a disrespect. It's pretty simple, you wanna look around? Then don't tell me you are committed. Like some recruits in this last class, they helped recruit other kids and to me that's the true definition of a verbal commitment.
KGAB11 has the best comment of the day. I'd upvote you if I could.
Up-vote done for ya.
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
Thanks. Call me old-fashioned (and I'm only 28 btw) but from what I was taught growing up is if you give someone your word you never go back on it and follow through with it even if you second guess yourself. Now I know it's a huge decision but for some reason I think these kids jump the gun and kind of use it (verbal commitment) as a way of advertisement. Sounds crazy but I believe that's what it is in SOME cases, not all. Just think of what Woody would say to a kid that's doing what these kids are doing every year. Wouldn't be pretty.
So I take it you're not against Hoke's policy of taking visits once committed. I totally agree with you, btw.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
I hear you Hail - you can't have it both ways. That said there is a difference between a kid keeping his options open & and taking additional visits & what appears to be going on here. I personally am not too bothered by what he's doing, & even think he'll be a Buckeye in the end...I just wish he wasn't the first commit who's from a traditional OSU pipeline. I'm a bit of an idealist but the fact that he doesn't seem to be much of a recruiter or leader of the class is too bad. I believe a kid in his position has the additional responsibility of setting a good example. If that's not something he was ready for, it would be better to wait it out & commit later.
Hoke and Myer are doing excellent jobs of recruiting and they may use that policy in some cases. I would say both are very flexible on this issue.
Hate to say it but I do understand why he has that policy, however I don't agree with it because you don't own anybody. Kids have the right to take any visit they want. My policy would be to not commit unless you are absolutely 100% positive you want to join the program. If not, take your time. If you commit, then de-commit we will pull your scholarship offer. Seems harsh but maybe I'm just a strict person.
Agreed. Try to look at it from UFM's perspective. Definitely if this kid is visiting other schools, there is the potential he could flip. That is not going to put him in good standing with the coaches, because it undermines his recruiting class. I guarantee you Urban isn't amused.
Yeah, it's a big decision, but if you're not sure, don't say you're "committed", and then start taking visits. That means your "word" means sh*t.
After this season, I have a feeling that the program is going to sell itself. We won't need inspirational speeches.
I understand the sentiment of the group, but there are too many situations where 18 year old kids change their mind or second guess themselves, let alone something this big and impactful on their future.
Instead of criticizing a 17 year old boy, his decision process, and his options, I was only asking that you make an effort to understand both sides of the situation, which was apparently too much to ask.
Floridabuck, I did not and do not intend impose my morals on you, however, perhaps my response can enlighten you as to how you can respond intelligently and in a non-condescending manner to the opinions of others that you disagree with, the opposite of how you responded to me.
Sorry, but I don't think you have much to teach on not being condescending.
You got that?
Yes, I did, but I'm sure you'll be kind enough to explain to me how bad I am at reading.
Not so much reading, but maybe interpreting as the comment wasn't directed at you. I wasn't trying to bring you into this at all, but was responding to a post where I tried defending the kid and was called out for doing so. Retrospectively, two wrongs don't make a right and I should have been bigger, swallowed my pride and let the comment go.
But it hit me nonetheless.
You are correct and I apologize. Unfortunately, I'm not able to go back and edit all of my posts to make sure I don't cause anymore collateral damage. (Some posts have an "edit" option, others do not, don't know why.) I'm not here to be unreasonable and cause trouble, however, when I make a comment that should have been harmless, despite going against "popular" opinion on here and get comments like that back, I do feel compelled to respond.
Peace brother, you're alright.
@Optimistic - You can edit your comments up until someone replies to a specific comment. Then it's locked so that people can't keep changing them. Hope that helps.
This kid is just hounding for attention, move on from him and get the guys are are asking to early enroll!
"...but then again 'Michigan' and 'huge mistake' are synonymous so that shouldn't have been much of a surprise to anybody." - Mark Titus
Its Kentucky, hes not going anywhere
Another fun fact about Kentucky. When your out checking out the ladies more often than not you will see a round circular outline in their rear right pocket. I was so distracted by the blond hair and nice curves I missed the gigantic wad in their mouths until they spit.....I really wish I was kidding.
Dip is just disgusting.
At least dip doesn't kill innocent bystanders like cigarettes do!
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
this is true
I just pictured a super G'd out gangster ass cigarette rolling deep with about 19 other cigarettes in a low-rider hard-pack & pulling a drive by & whacking out a rival menthol gang but hitting a few innocent bystanders in the process....Smoking some fools as it were.
Lowrider for a drive by? Nah b real Gs use the drop top.
Of course! Although I did not write it, the lowrider in this story (driven by the Northside Camel Crips) was most definitely also a drop top...I mean, I know I gotta keep it real homie.
Oh you know it. I the words of a great scholar named Plies, "Just brought a drop top, brought it for my shooters. Then next time we out lurking, they can shoot from in this bitch"
the newport gang's G-ride!
How did we go from blonds in Kentucky dipping to drive by shootings?
You got to keep em separated.
Hey don't pay no mind if your under 18 you won't be doing any time
Hey come out and Play.
Cinserious, I hadn't checked back here in a bit, but that's crazy! You found the menthol gangs ride on the Internet....kudos!
There are some similarities between OSU AND UK. For instance, Urban Meyer and Mark Stoops have the exact same number of losses with their new programs. The only difference being Urban's program started LAST SEASON! 12-OH.
Stoops is making waves in recruiting. Didnt he almost steal Gibson from WVU? He's also gotten Drew Barker to name UK his leader, when the kid grew up a Buckeye fan
Barker doesn't have an OSU offer so him naming his home-state school his leader is not a big shock.
but he does have a Louisville, Miami FL, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tenn offers. all much better options then UK. so yes its a pretty big shock.
Of that list though, who is really in any better shape than UK? Louisville? UNC is consistently mediocre, Miami is about to have an NCAA bomb dropped on them. Tennessee has been bad to average for a long time now. The future looks bright at Louisville, but if Strong goes, so does their success. Then there's South Carolina, a good program, but do you really want to play for Spurrier if you are a good prospect?
So far, Barker has no Ohio State, Bama, Oregon, or elite schools offering him. I hope he gets an Ohio State offer, I really would like for him to be in scarlet and gray, but given his options, I think UK would be a solid choice.
You call UNC Consistently Medicore but think UK is in better shape? since 2012 UK has won 7 less games then UNC and been to 3 less bowl games. Sounds like if UNC is considered Consistentley medicore then UK is not only that but much worse. We'll see if Miami gets anything, im not buying it. Tenn definatley hasn't been bad to average untill before after kiffin got the job.
given his options UK is the worst possible choice
If Stoops bring UK back to Rich Brooks' type success, it's not a bad place to go. UNC, Tenn, and Miami have all had NCAA trouble very recently. It's been a while since Tennessee was a legit title contender. That's what I was getting at, if you are going to make a choice based on a bunch of schools thaty don't have a shot at winning a title why not stay close to home and do that. At UK, you'll play against the best conference in the country. He'll likely go to school where a bunch of his buddies from Conner will end up going to school, and he'll get to play in bowl games, probably each season he is there. The recruits Stoops is bringing in will be good enough to make them a 7 win team every year like Brooks was able to do.
At UK if you h ave 7-8 wins, people get really interested in the football team. If he's not destined to play for national titles at Ohio State or Bama or a school of that stature, UK is just as good as any of the other schools mentioned. Tennessee, Miami, UNC and South Carolina aren't going to win any titles any time soon either.
It just bothers me that when he committed he said it was a no brainer for him and that he wanted to help build this class. I follow him on twitter and its just awkward at how he goes about things. I would put it kind of like bi polar ness. At one time he is telling buckeye players to give him a follow and tweeting positive things to others about the Buckeyes. But then again on the other hand he is retweeting anything from any other teams fanbase and everything like that.
Plain and simple. If you want to be the leader of the class like you said, then be the leader and be an Ohio State Buckeye. Don't come out tweeting that nothing is done until that national letter of intent is signed. It wouldn't' be a problem to most of us if he hadn't said anything about being a leader. But he did, and it would be great to have him follow through with that.
idk, maybe these recruits just have fun with messing with the thousands of people minds who follow this thing called recruiting like a cult.
"This just in, commit is taking a dump wearing a different colleges' slippers."
Fanbase "He gone"
This entire thread sounds like a bunch of jealous ex girlfriends. I think we can all agree that there's plenty of time left before signing day. Why can't we just let it go and let the kid do what he needs to do. After all, we should not kid ourselves, this decision has nothing to do with us.
Theres a decent chance he reads this blog, so let's just be adults and carry on with our individual lives while this sorts itself out.
I agree! It kills me how worked up people get about the decisions kids they don't even know make. My life is too complicated to get all worked up about recruiting. Win some lose some. If he goes elsewhere so be it, bring in the next in line!
I don't really see people getting all that worked up in this thread. He's being criticized pretty legitimately, in my opinion. He's making himself look pretty flaky with those tweets. Just don't commit if you don't mean it, or more likely in this case, you have no idea what "commitment" means.
To be honest, I'd be perfectly fine if OSU just flat pulled his scholarship offer and moved on. Scholarships are definitely going to be hard to come by this year so Jones is likely going to need to figure out for sure where he stands before too long, or there's a good chance the coaches will, in fact, pull his offer and move on. (See Derrick Green, Mr. Jones)
But no worries at all. We absolutely know that Urban & Co. will find elite talent to fill those spots.
Urban has said a verbal means nothing. So in his tweets he was pretty much echoing the same sentiments that Urban has about verbals.
Being a lukewarm recruit is one thing. Putting out stuff that undermines the school you've "committed" to is quite another, like that tweet about wondering why so many players are leaving the team.
im surprised he seems more interested in kentucky than bama
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
They seem to be the Ole Miss of 2014.
I'm not worried about losing Marcelys. Kid wants to enjoy the process, and that's fine by me. Should he maybe have waited a bit before committing? Maybe. But you can't fault a 17 year old kid for getting caught up in all the attention he's getting. I think the kid is a Buckeye through and through, just exploring his options and taking advantage of the recruiting game. He already said he's recruiting Marshon to the Bucks.
Side note: He is very good friends with Kyle Dodson, so another reason for him to stick it out with OSU
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
I would like to pull his offer and give it to someone more humble, more trustworthy, more likeable and less fat.
We're The Ohio State University: malcontents need not apply.
You would pull his offer based off humility, likability, and fatness? Thankfully, you're not recruiting for OSU. You would have hated Orlando Pace, he was pretty hefty.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
As Lloyd Bentsen would remind you .... Marcelys Jones is not John Kennedy, and he is no Orlando Pace
While it's doubtful, you don't know that yet. Then again, you already wrote him off because he's fat.
I wrote him off because he is selfish and immature.
I piled on because he was fat
Daniel Tosh....is that you?
he is not a malcontent! He has said from the beginning he will keep looking around and he will go and visit schools. He never said he was done.
also, never EVER pull a schollie for something like this. This is not the SEC and Bama, respect the recruits and the recruits will respect OSU. He would be a big loss but no reason to be like that!
If we want to treat kids with respect then we should REQUIRE that they have some self-respect. Why do we permit kids to compromise their integrity.
If Mr. Jones, or other kids want to commoditize themselves - a la Alabama - then we should release him.
I like that The Ohio State University is not Alabama.
"Why do we permit kids to compromise their integrity."
"we" -> this is the most telling issue with all of this. All the persons actually involved in this process are accepting of the situation and what these recruits are going to do. They understand that NSD is not till Feb and kids make rash decisions and change there mind. And here we are saying "I can't believe these kids can't keep their word, blah blah blah" like our opinion of how those involved should act.
The people in the process can't be happy with the pimping drill. Yes, they are professional and realistic as to what the process involves.
And Marcelys Jones does not appear to be an earnestly torn teenager in the clutches of the evil system. Save your pity for those who need it.
Let the hucksters and the media hounds choose between the alabama and Tennessee baseball caps at the GoDaddy.com allstar game ...... Embrace earnest, likeable kids and give the warmest, longest embrace to kids who share our love for the Ohio State University.
Golden, u must have totally misunderstood what u said. I said OSU is not Bama. I said OSU doesn't pull offers for stupid reasons like what Bama and SEC schools do.
Read before you comment dude! To pull Jones offer for this would be the stupidest move.
Plus, respecting the offer and the process is what I said. Not the player. It is obvious Urban respects him or he wouldn't have gotten an offer at the beginning. The way you talk, sounds like OSU shouldnt offer anyone then until they can be sure they are solid. That will never work!
Bama pulls offers when they fill the position need, or if they can flip a kid. I do not advocate doing the same.
Bama does not pull offers when verbals have a wandering eye or post disloyal tweets. I do advocate Ohio State pulling offers from kids who don't show commitment to the program.
I read exactly what you posted. Just don't agree.
Once a kid gives a verbal he should represent the Ohio State University. Prior to the verbal acceptance, I don't care (as much).
When confronted with the latest recruiting drama one must turn to the greatest philosopher of our time........................
"The Dude abides"
"Because I couldn't go for 3"
It cracks me up how the whole recruiting process works. Someone needs to explain to recruits what the word commit means and someone needs to explain to schools what the word offer means. I look at it like this, when I asked my wife to marry me it was a committable offer. Imagine if I would've said, I want to marry you if the other 3 girls ahead of you on my board marry someone else. Or imagine that once we were married I told her that I was committed to her but I still want to look around. At this point I don't take any commitment seriously until February.
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men
So you're saying that programs should only offer committable offers and if a player commits, he should be considered done exploring his options? Not that he shouldn't take full advantage of the process, but once he decides to commit, he should honor that commitment? Sounds pretty obvious to me.
If we didn't flip soo many recruits I'd agree.
The process is what it is, a no holds barred, hit them wherever and whenever you can, fight to get these kids on campus... Both sides play the game when they have to.
I don't have an issue with a kid who says he wants to take a few trips so long as he's on the up and up with the coaching staff about it..
“Just because you committed don’t mean anything until you sign that letter that’s were most people get lost at.”
That's where most people get lost? I think most people have a pretty good understanding of what committed means. I really have no idea why this young man would be committed. What exactly does it mean to him? If it "don't mean anything" then why bother?
I didn't read any of the Jones tweets, but from reading the tweet in this post, people should know that any person affiliated with UK recruiting and/or athletics is the most optimistic person in the world. If Stoops tried calling Jones and it went straight to voicemail, UK affiliates would take that as "Jones is extremely interested."
Let this kid have some fun. He's already been talking with McMillan and some other recruits for this class. He's not going anywhere. He's just a kid with some extra time on his hands messing with various college athletic fanbases who have too much extra time on their hands.
We celebrate when a guy flips his commitment to OSU and criticize someone who does the same thing but to another school?
Let him enjoy the process. If he is trolling us, you guys are cracking him up. He's a great talent, he might flip, but I think Urban will do a great job here. Let the kid enjoy the process, his actions only go to annoy "us," not anyone else. I doubt any recruit's 100% commitment until they sign, they are 17 year old kids and I know it is in human nature to second guess and wonder "what if." Social media has alloyed these doubts and thoughts that in the past would have stayed in ones head to be put out there for all the stalkers to overblow.
Let the kid be, stop questioning him as a person, and if he is reading this and was trolling <- it worked ;)
Yeah that's just the kind of kid we're looking for at tOSU, an early "commit" who trolls a Buckeye fan site trying to piss people off and create division. Really?
You mean... a kid? We would take with honor a kid doing this to UM and troll UM fans saying how awesome Meyer is. Then they would say, well he is a terrible person and "we didn't want him anyways!"
He's a kid, it is harmless fun, and it shows how some fans take their fandom and the recruiting process too seriously. No one here actually gives a crap about the kid in real life, just if he is going to come to OSU and make their team better. That is shallow, so to think the kid owes the fanbase anything is just not true and to further think toying with those fans means he is somewhat in questions as a person is nonsense.
I think people need to chill on things like this and realize that it isn't that serious of a process to begin with.
"No one here actually gives a crap about the kid in real life, just if he is going to come to OSU and make their team better."
Speak for yourself. Some of us would like to care some about the student/athletes who join (or are poised to join) our loosely extended Buckeye Nation family. Otherwise it's just about wins and losses, and frankly that's awfully boring if you don't give a crap about the human beings involved.
There may be a handleful, generalities never apply to every singe person, I but if this kid goes somewhere else most here wont think about him again. Actually, had the kid made some noise no one would have really said a word about him for months most likely. We at most care about the kid from a superficial level, had he not been associated with OSU we would have never heard of the kid or talked about him. It is a sign that we over associate ourselves with the team and the process of recruiting.
All I am saying is that we should check ourselves before getting upset about something those actually involved with have less of a concern about. We make it into a federal case...
I think your overall point is that we sometimes lose sight that these football stars are kids and human beings. I think we're all a little guilty of "depersonalizing" athletes (and celebrities, for that matter). I know that it's different because college athletes aren't paid, per se.
These kids start out as nothing more than a name and a star ranking. At some point throughout the process, we might get feedback from the media that a player is a really good kid, has a high GPA, and is really down to earth. Maybe we see a video interview and learn how they are first hand. Truthfully, though, we get attached based on their proposed level of talent.
I recently started following recruiting which lead to me following the program a lot more closely. Now, I watch every press conference, interview, and read every article I can about these players. You get to know them and their personality. At that point, the connection is made and that athlete is all of a sudden a human being again. Sometimes, it could be a gesture or an act of sportsmanship on the field that shows it, or maybe you have had (or have) class with a student athlete and know that there is a lot more to them then just a player. Maybe you met someone at an event or saw him sign something for a kid after a game.
Sorry to get all sappy or soapboxy, but when the helmet comes off, it's usually when I become a player's biggest fan.
When It comes to situations like this I tend to go with the the expert opinion of those that know. " A guy committing early just means you made their final top three."- Urban Meyer.........
He knows the nature of recruiting much better than I do so i will just sit back and watch it play out.
Agreed Johnny11. We know we are in the final 3 for Marcelys come signing day, and considering all of the other factors (He's from Ohio, Goes to Glenville, Is friends with Kyle Dodson and teammates with other current Buckeye Targets, and his late mother went here, etc.) I'm pretty confident he'll be a Buckeye. Like Alex said, he just wants some attention. Don't get me wrong, I wish he were more like a Michael Ferns who is recruiting his butt off for Michigan, but not everyone is like that and not everyone needs to be like that. I think no matter what happens with this guy, we will be ecstatic with the class we have next NSD.
I just wish people would stick to their word, if you say "committed", be committed. If you still want look around, don't commit yet! Just say something like "I'm pretty sure Ohio state is for me, but I'm still looking around ". Of course players should look around all they want, but a Lawrence Marshall "commitment" is just making a mockery of the process and idea of choosing your school. I wish twitter didn't exist, it makes this all feel too much like reality TV.
not too worried about a recruit changing his mind, being unsure of himself. my big worry is the lack of scholarships and all the good players that wont be able to play for TOSU.
"Hey Urban, can you just hold a scholarship for me until I actually take the time to think this commitment thing through? Thanks Bud!"
Ohio State does not NEED anyone. The sooner the kids understand that the better. Take your time and figure out where you want to go to college...take all the time you like. But, when you are ready to pick..pick and be a man about it. If you want the attention, which certainly seems the case with this kids tweet, life will move on quick at Ohio State. He may NEED Ohio State in the future, but i promise you Ohio state does not NEED him.
"Winter is coming" - Urban Meyer
Ohio State may not need an individual recruit, but they need recruit(s). At some point loosing certain quality players leads to less quality talent. Yes, we could replace him with decent talent or even better, but at some point getting the top talent verses second tier talent will make a difference.
i mean........that goes without saying. But, that "some point" really won't happen over the next several years for Ohio State...except at punter i guess lol
I'd prefer it wasn't an OL recruit that was being mentioned here.. Lots of other positions have the depth.
No kidding, thank goodness UFM is such a great recruiter. It wasn't that long ago that OSU was in that situation getting a great class and then not taking our talent level down a bit from annual NC contenders to sporadic. Tress recruited pretty well, but there was clearly a difference compared to the SEC. This will change...
I seriously think verbal commitments need to be held to a higher standard by both parties than there is now. I don't know how you would make them binding or if you could just make the committable date earlier, but something needs to change.
Don't give up... Don't ever give up.
Thats a dbl edge sword imo. Something like that and Dontre Wilson, Conley and Trey Johnson would probably not be Buckeyes..A option to sign early would be nice, but how many kids would really take advantage of that. Most would still probably wait til the last moment and you might get a handful or so that would sign early..
I think (hopefully) it would force kids to hold off on choosing a school once they get an offer then realize a week later that they have 2 more years to decide on many more options. It's just a dumb system, IMO.
OK, but two of those you mentioned where committed to places that had coaching changes. That is a whole different ballgame. Conley had to deal with his home state school going through NCAA infractions and a new coach. I'm not saying I think any kid who changes his mind is a "bad kid" but those situations aren't comparable IMO. Why be the first to commit if you know you aren't going to be committed and then go on and say a commitment means nothing? That is the issue so many have with Jones.
No one wants to hear that a commit to their school is "very interested" in another school...sure its probably all for drama, but its nice to have kids like Damon Webb, who keep posting pictures of themselves in Buckeye gear and talk about how they cant wait to be a Buckeye...Some kids apparently want twitter followers from every school they can (though dont realize those numbers will shrink as soon as they commit), while others take satisfied in the fans they have from the school they have committed too. Id be curious to know if the staff keeps a close eye on this kind of thing, it can sometimes speak to the level of maturity in the player they are hoping to get.
I'm not really sure why everyone is surprised by this... The kid gave his verbal because he wants to save a spot. It is publicly known that the staff is going hard at some OL this year, so he knew he needed to save a spot for himself.
Now, do I agree with committing and looking around? NO! My parents always taught me once you commit to something you stick with it. That mentality isn't very prevalent anymore. Burrows, Marshall, Apple, and those kids are becoming a smaller percentage of high school recruits. They obviously have parents like mine who taught them to honor their commitments.
Let's not get all worked up about this tho. If kids didn't look around we wouldn't have Conley or Johnson (a coach leaving is a little different, but we still wouldn't have landed him). Urban is the best recruiter in the country and if he wants Jones, I believe Jones will end up a Buckeye. If Urban feels he can land some better he will let him go. If Jones wants to be insignificant and play for an average football team for 4 years, then he can take his talents to UK. Not really a big deal here.
Agree with Alex above...let him have some attention. If he moves on...so be it. I think OSU did ok with the decommits last year right. Matter of fact...some would say we improved our positions at LB and DE with the two decommits from last years class...M&M and Ty Lewis>Neal and Anzalone.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
yes, he was the first commit and he even did it on X-mas. He probably should have been a better leader for this class if he did that, but he has said it from the beginning that he is still looking around and keeping his options open. There is nothing devious about this nor has he lied to anyone.
Plus, he is looking around. He didn't decommit! He is still all buckeye IMO!
Maybe he is recruiting for us... He could come back from all the trips and proclaim that OSU is far and away a better program. Who knows, but I'd still rather have him solid in the committed side and not looking. It's his world at the present and he can play it how he wants. Just don't burn this bridge, please...
I really don't care if he looks around but again, how do you define "all Buckeye"? I see Marshall, Bosa, Apple, etc. as defining someone who is all Buckeye. Maybe the term "all Buckeye" has gone the way of the word commitment?
Maybe our definition is different. To me, "all buckeye" in this instance means he will stick to his commitment. He won't decommit.
Burrows, apple and others I would say were more than all buckeye, they are leaders. To me, that is the difference.
So we should call those guys "more than all buckeye" rather than "all buckeye"? That way we can distinguish who is actually all Buckeye and who is "kinda all Buckeye"?
In the interview with Jared Shanker he says he is 100% Buckeye but will be taking all his visits, and recruiting Marshon Lynch and Eric Smith. FWIW...
I'd likeme some Marshon Lynch :)
Yea nothing better to help recruit your teammate to the school you're committed to than being interested in another school. What a joke.
Honestly, with tweets like that...I don't really care for him at Ohio State. With a small class and Urban Meyer as our head coach...his spot can easily be filled. Don't get me wrong if he turns around and starts recruiting for us and becomes an Apple, Burrows, etc. then I'd love to have him. I agree a verbal essentially means nothing but flat out saying being committed means "nothing" until national signing day is messed up.
i guess im old school but i would pull any committed kids offer that takes other visits after he committed. and he would be banned from campus all together from even attending games (unless he played for the other team obviously)
This is why I am glad UFM is in charge ;)
Yeah because a kid taking a spot when he doens't want to be here is so great
You're right, we should have dumped Eze and Munger... and I can't believe we would take kids with questionable ability to committ like James Clark, Dontre Wilson, Corey Smith...
Again, very glad Urban Meyer is in charge and not us.
Guess two people don't lie Urban Meyer? :shrugs: :winks:
I am pretty sure he just wants attention, but if not, good luck to him wherever he ends up at. I said when he committed that i don't think he will be good enough to play at OSU, so I would not be upset if he chose to go somewhere else. I would happily have his scholarship go to the Richardson kid from Westerville, who I think will be better anyway.
If you look at most recruiting sites they rate Jones higher than Richardson. Also At the recent core 6 showcase Jones did outstanding at the event by all accounts of talent evaluators there. Richardson meanwhile at the UA combine got beat consistently by almost all people there in lineman drills. Finally the last bit even though I hate it is, Alabama the premier program in college football outside of us and few other select schools has given Jones an offer as have we. Richardson doesn't have an offer from us or Alabama. I will take the evaluation of our staff which chose to offer Jones and not Richardson. Jones has some maturity issues, that can be worked on, but he is the better talent with more potential.
I could not care less about recruiting site rankings. They rarely see kids play in actual games. I realize Urban and some other top programs like Jones better, and I respect their opinion that Jones is better. I can just go on what I have seen from both while watching them in person, though. I don't think either will ever be a starter at a school like OSU, so I would rather have the less talented kid who has significantly better intangibles.
Having a committed player go on visits to other schools can be beneficial to the already committed school..
Haha....buddy, if you really want to go to Kentucky, please go to Kentucky. But the plans for world domination are in motion whether you're on board or not.
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