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When the rule was introduced I felt as if a warning should be issued before the ejection.
A shame the Buckeyes will be without Roby for the rest of the game.
Hopefully the defense steps up without him.
"I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later." ~ Mitch Hedberg
Something like a yellow card would be nice.
I wasn't born a Buckeye but I became one as fast as I could.
worst part about it is urban's reaction in the press room after. he states "i already have been fined 31k, or something along those lines, and therefore won't critisize the officials but I will have to take a look at the play because people were telling me it was clean and if that's the case we deserve an explanation from the big ten head of officiating"
Here's the hit he was ejected for:
I thought he was going to be flagged for taunting as he stepped over the Iowa TE.
"I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later." ~ Mitch Hedberg
Well, Roby will be back next season. His stumbles this season have been quite surprising.
I don't like the rule. But it was the right call per the rules.
respectfully disagree. Initial contact was made at the shoulder. The impact caused helmet contact.
His helmet hit the facemask regardless. Like I said I don't like the rule I think it will lead to many more knee injuries.
The rule, the notes & examples repeatedly state that the infraction covers targeting and/or initiating contacting with the head or neck area.
Incidental contact with the facemask is irrelevant. Did Roby initiate contact with the head or neck area?
I read somewhere it already has in the NFL
Wherever you are, there you be!
If he hadn't launched it wouldn't have been an ejection. Roby left his feet, and it looked worse than it was. I don't like the rule but you have to play within the rules.
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
He didn't leave his feet.
I also hate this rule but he most definitely left his feet. He launched at him.
He most definitely didn't leave his feet.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9849083/ohio-state-buckey...
Agrred Pitsinak, he didnt leave his feet after further review but he did launch. He gathered and launched upwards at him. Rules are the rules no matter how much they suck.
The only time Roby left his feet was when he jumped into the air in shock over the ref's idiotic flag-throwing.
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
Roby leads with his head, to try to get the "knockout blow," all the time. This is why he misses tackles. Sooner or later he was going to get ejected.
If you go by the rules, it was the correct call. I said it when it happened.
But that doesn't meand we have to like the rule.
Write your congressman. ;)
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You sound like a lawyer, KBONAY. Worded so well, count me as officially confused. LOL.
Two blondes were driving to Disneyland. The sign said: Disneyland Left... So they started crying and headed home.
Here's more of that same angle:
Per this angle, I think it was a bad call. I think the helmet to helmet was completely unintentional & occurred due to the speed that they headed toward each other.
My stepfather & I argued this one yesterday quite a bit. He thought per the rule, Roby should go, I thought not. It's a matter of opinion & is close, but I think it's not a dirty hit by any means.
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Football isn't really football anymore, it's a watered-down version of what it used to be. Wait 5, 10, 20 years -- you won't recognize the game anymore, in the context of how to separate a receiver from the ball.
#TooMuchRegulation
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You would be the person who was outraged when they legalized the forward pass
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"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
Actually there's an exception for premium members. The "one diss" rule where you can diss any other member, even beloved ones - including Hodge - one time without repercussion. Rule 23, chapter 4, subsection 23.7...however this particular diss falls outside of those boundaries. Is it dis or diss btw? Not sure.
Seriously, football is at it's core a violent sport & always will be. This rule, while it's intentions aren't bad, misses the mark & will need to be re-examined after this season. Ramzy was spot on in his original assessment of the rule long before the season started.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
I think if he didn't tackle that big ass tight end like he did, he would have been the one picking his dizzy head off the turf. I like the tackle!!!! That is how most of us were taught to tackle back in the day, before everyone got a trophy for playing. Football is not the same anymore!
As much as anything I think it was Roby's reaction after the hit. He pulled a badass "rip my helmet snaps down and act like a hardguy" after the hit. He incriminated himself with that move. Just make the hit and move out, you're doing nothing but inciting the officials when you act excited that you hurt another player.
Also how about a little better coverage on the play so you're not celebrating the other team getting a first down on your coverage?
Im sorry NOTOR but, that was a good hit and well..... its Football. Go Bucks!!!
Explain to me how a hit with the shoulder below the shoulder pads is illegal and targeting.
What I saw was a hit with the crown of Roby's head to the chin/facemask of said Iowa player with his mouthpeice flying out. Then I saw Roby celebrating. At that point I think the officials felt they had no choice. There was no hesitation from the officials after watching the play, and I knew there wouldn't be.
Two blondes were driving to Disneyland. The sign said: Disneyland Left... So they started crying and headed home.
You must have been high.
It is so subjective. I didn't like the call it was very borderline. As per NCAA website the main thing they got him on was probably "launching." He barely caught his chin with his helmet. If people would start wrapping up instead of trying to lay the hit stick we wouldn't have these problems.
His feet are planted on contact.
Sorry I didn't copy far enough down.
+1 for slow roll
The dude probably has close to 100lbs on Roby... If he would have tried to wrap up, he would have probably bounced right off.
Im al, for the rule used correctly. My issue is Roby hit with his shoulder and left his feet because the dudes 6'7" 260 lbs to give him force the dislodge the ball. Roby never targeted his head just hit him really hard in the chest area. He could've gone for his knees and possibly ended the kids career with an injury. If Roby had launched at his head and actually targeted then I'd be all for the penalty but in this case it's BS
Completely agree with you. He did try to hit him hard to dislodge the ball, but I think if people quit trying to go for the big hit and if Roby still uses his sholder but wraps him up he never gets called for targeting.
agree - somewhere along the line everyone went looking for the highlight reel and forgot that the way to tackle is to wrap up. I also thought that the flag was for taunting
can't believe how incompetent replacement reeves is. totally lost in all the games I have seen him in
As much as I like Urban, his coaching left a lot to be desired in the Wisconsin game. W had a game plan to shut down Miller, thereby 70% of the offense, by assignment defensive personnel on him throughout the game. OSU should have made them p
Doesn't Vonn Bell play the same position, is Bell that bad that he isn't seeing any playing time on the D?
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
Bell plays safety
Would that 85-yard touchdown to Duzey have happened with Roby on the field?
Cannot believe Reeves could not run him down.
"I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later." ~ Mitch Hedberg
didnt even look like Reeves was making up any ground
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I know - that was pretty shocking. DBs are supposed to be faster than TEs. There will always exceptions but that was weird.
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Unfortunately, it could have. Last season no, this season strong possibility.
I can't believe you can be called for targeting a shoulder.
helmet contact could be called for 95% of the running/scrambling plays that occur between the offensive tackles. Roby's hit was in the chest, therefor = legit.
I agree with Circle-K Craig Krenzel!
If you watch his feet throughout the play, both feet never leave the ground at the same time. There is no way this can be considered launching. Football as we know it will never be the same.
This was a good call. If Roby hits him in the numbers and wraps up there is no problem. Instead he goes high, there was helmet to helmet contact and then he acts like a tough guy afterwards. Easy call. Stupid play by Roby.
He drilled him with this shoulder in the shoulder/chest, it was a great play by Roby IMO. You want big hits to get in the receivers heads.
It was a hard,clean hit Paulillo. And you have to be a tough guy to play this game. (The acting like a tough guy as you said)....Well, that just comes with the game. Peace and Go Bucks!!!
Except there is a problem because the 255lb tight end would just bounce off of the 190lb Roby and get a lot more yards.
I don't want to suggest it, but if a 180 pound DB is tackling a 250 pound TE maybe he needs to put his shoulder pads through the guy's knees. If Roby does not explode into the TE he goes for a ride and the TE keeps going. It was a hard hit and I don't have a problem with it, but Roby should just walk away after the hit. You are a three year starter at tOSU. Act like you have been there before.
That ejection was garbage. Shoulder to shoulder shot. If launching is such a big deal than fine, 15 yards. Football is becoming Bitchball with these stupid rules. You know the game is dangerous. If you don't want the risks to your health, then don't play.
Class of 2010.
He should have been tossed for the tackle a play or two before this one. He launched himself headfirst into the Iowa tailback's helmet after a decent run.
Roby needs to start hitting much lower.
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How can you NOT tackle head first???
This isn't soccer.
He went to tackle the RB and the RB put his head down.
Haha no. He wasn't a defenseless receiver and didn't really even launch at him. You can find NO helmet to helmet contact in rugby if that's your thing.
One of the worst calls I've ever seen. And upheld? Unreal.
I love how the WWL announcing crew repeatedly praised Iowa for playing "big boy football", but didn't have a problem with that stupid call. Seems to me Roby was just playing some big boy football. Well the real big boys won the second half.
Roby hit the TE with the crown of his helmet in the chin of the facemask when the TE was helpless to protect himself. Textbook targeting. You can all argue as much as you want about the validity of the rule, but that hit was certainly targeting. He did not hit him shoulder to chest. Watch the replay, look at still of the hit. The crown of the helmet makes contact with the facemask. That is all that is needed for targeting.
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Roby hit the TE with his shoulder in the TE's arm/side. The TE's head snapped forward and hit Roby's head. Not targeting.
You'd better watch the replay again, Rampager, because I can tell you are the one who missed it.
It was technically a correct call but I don't criticize Roby one bit. He is trying to cause a fumble and I like the aggression. Whitner did the same thing against the saints in a playoff game and it was a key play.
just another psycho, irrational, delusional Ohio St fan
Give it a 15-yard penalty okay, but he turned around and had half a second to react, so he went to hit the guy. It was a little high but did not warrant an ejection.
Doesn't even deserve a 15-yard penalty. Looks like a solid hit to the numbers. Maybe the officials would have preferred Roby to go low and blow out the TE's knee.
This is the most sensible quote on this whole topic. Maybe the rule should be amended to allow for even more subjective review.
A: is the infraction intentional?
B: how much time was given for defender to react to what was happening?
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Roby had something to prove today. Usually Roby cuts out the legs but today went for the big hit. A few plays before his targeting call, he had a helmet to helmet on the sideline that I was suprised wasn't called. His celebrating also hurt his chances I imagine too. I like the big hits but if there is a chance you get the boot, its time to reel it back a little. Its a team game there fella!
It was a TERRIBLE tackle. That IS NOT how they are coached to tackle. You're supposed to aim for the sternum, the rib area or the middle of the back. Keep your head up, take your helmet to one side of the ball carrier or receiver, wrap your arms and drive through.
I have a bigger problem with an official's subjectivity for this or any other judgment call. These officials are trying to discern intent and automatically thinking these players are purposefully trying to hurt other players. You can tell they're looking for these hits. It's not fair, not practical and will likely cause someone to get paralyzed because the players become so conscious of avoiding a hit like that that they half-ass a tackle and get their neck broken. Watch it happen.
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Was a bad call imo. It was a shoulder hit all the way. THIS IS FOOTBALL.
A player shouldn't be ejected for that hit. Whatever happened to "Put your hat on the ball"? This rule is going to cause more problems than it will resolve.
That was a good play! It's crazy what the rules are doing to the game really. I like the old day when players could play. Now you have to be so careful that you don't hit a player a certain way that just the year before would have been a good hit. I understand protecting players, but some things have gone a little far.
A few things about this call made me upset
Was at the game. The late flag was obviously because the ref was not going to make the call, but then Roby's entire demeanor sort of contributed to it. Of course the guy's mouthpiece being dislodged and flying about ten yards didn't hurt either! Ha. Seriously though it was awesome when they replayed it on the big screen - Urban went nuts pointing at the screen and yelling at the official. Better yet the stadium woke up and it was a lot more fun after that! I hate that rule and they need to fix it. The concept is fine. The implementation isn't right.
Yes it was how Roby acted after the hit. Pardon my language....but it is a pussy rule made by pussies who never stepped on the field!!!! Even in jr. high......
Im sick and tired of watching football anymore and the targeting and "defensless" receiver bs is the reason for it......to often the official making the call just assumes there was a penalty and throws the flag rather than actually seeing a penalty......It also translates into the way they call defensive pass interference yet when the defender is in prime position and the offensive player interferes you rarely see it called.......bout time to just put flags on the players and or play 2 hand touch 7-on-7
The rule is complete garbage; the NCAA says it is about safety, IMO it's about the NCAA trying to get ahead of a lawsuit. The head rule is the first; what's next? It is extremely difficult for a player to play the game one way his whole life, then have to learn a new way in what could be his last year in CFB.
That said, until the rule changes (doubt it ever does), the coaches need to really teach these guys the fundamentals of tackling; it needs to be drilled into them. Antione Winfield was a master of wrapping up and getting his guy down and he took on some big bruisers out of the backfield. It can be done. Roby does us no good sitting on the sidelines. He has a tendency to go extremely high or extremely low. If he wraps up, he doesn't bounce off. Worst case, he holds on, holds him up and lets others come and finish him off. Better than Roby gone for the game.
fans and players HAVE to be upset about this because this kinda hit takes place every game. imagine if its called consistantly? besides that, rinning backs do far worse damage to defenders in the name of protecting themselves. its just more bias crap against the defense. offensive players hand to the facemask equals good stiffarm. def. players hand to the facemask equals...well facemask! absurd!
Robey is STUPID, not the first DUMB play he has made this year
Stupid? Maybe; kinda like spelling the word "Toilet" wrong
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Who is Robey?
Here's the whole TV clip:
I thought it was a great hit. LeCharles Bentley had a great tweet:
LeCharles Bentley@LeCharlesBent6514h
NCAA keeps this targeting rule, games will become rated R for the numerous gruesome knee injuries we will have to endure watching every week
Good Read! Mike Pereira talks about targeting rule - No mention of Roby, but look who was on the committee that decided this rule!
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/mike-pereira-analyzes-big...
The call was BS.
Paul
Wasn't wiseman ducking and leading with his helmet several times. I thought that is penalty for safety also.
Just in the pro's...
The call could have gone either way. He still made contact with the facemask. My problem is the delay of the flag. The ref literally waited to see if the receiver got up before he threw the flag. This isn't a "ohh the player is hurt I should throw the flag" penalty. If he thought it was fine before the guy stayed laying on the ground then he shouldnt have thrown the flag. Ps. if Roby doesnt hit like a little bitch and wrap up around the waste there is no penalty to worry about.
Alright guys. I decided to nerd out a bit this morning. I got ahold of the best HD clip I could find, imported it into Adobe Premiere and went through it frame by frame and did the following engineering analysis. What I was looking for were the changes in motion of the receiver's head and their causes.
The head is heavy (~10lb), the receiver is wearing a helmet (2-3lb), and the head will rotate roughly around the base of the neck in response to an external force. If the head was struck first, the head would rotate backward. If the receiver was struck in the chest, the head would rotate forward. In fact, I found that the head rotates forward for 3 frames after contact, or about 1/10 of a sec at the 30hz rate that I have set in Premiere. (the Hawkeye logo on the helmet makes a great measurement target) The only possible cause for this when looking at the sum of the moments (rotational forces) is a hit at, or below the rotational axis of the head; the base of the neck. Roby had to have made contact first with his shoulder pads near the shoulder joint of the receiver. This makes sense because Roby's head is clearly above the rotational axis and would have caused the head to rotate backward if he had made initial contact with his helmet.
However, the receiver's head then does rotate backward. And this is where things get a bit murkier from a viewing perspective. It looks to me like the receivers helmet rotates forward until it hits Roby's helmet. However, it could be argued that Roby's helmet is moving forward, causing the same rotation. But we do have another clue....the rotation of the receiver's body. At that point, the rest of the receiver's body is rotating backward at a lower rate. This was caused by the initial contact by Roby's pads
In summary, Roby hit him in the upper chest first, and then the receiver's head rotated forward and hit Roby's helmet. By that time, the receiver's body was rotating backward from the initial hit, making it tough for the officials to understand.
I will leave it to the rest of you guys to argue the launch stuff, but my vote is Not Guilty
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+1 for the scientific explanation. Have you considered getting a job as a replay assistant?
And +1 for the Seinfeld reference. Love that episode!
"This is a very complicated case: a lot of ins, lot of outs, lot of what-have-yous."
Unfortunately , with more questionable calls like these, we're likely to see more Robert Reynolds type plays as a result. After the call the crowd was rowdy and I as a spectator at home was belligerent ! I can only imagine what it'll do to a player who has a temporary anger management issues!
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Shoulder initiated hit, near TE’s shoulder pad/chest. Helmet glanced face mask because, well, helmets are attached to their heads. TE actually turns and plants a foot, so is he really defenseless? Roby doesn’t leave feet. This hit meets zero criteria to be ejected.
Yes, I thought that the TE had made a "football move" before he was hit.
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1. This is going to lead to torn knees. Players like Roby, who weigh significantly less than TE's etc will bounce off them and therefore go for the knees. Ask offensive players what they prefer, their knees being hit or their shoulders?
2. I wish this rule went both ways. If there are going to be these BS rules then I want whoever lowers their helmet first to get the flag. As others pointed out, RB's typically lower their helmet when they initiate contact. If you are a Browns fan, remember Trents run last year when he bulldozed Coleman? Thats an example of the RB causing the helmet to helmet contact. Another thing I would like to see, is if we are going to have these rules we need to do something to favor the defense so we quit seeing 60-50 type games. An example, allow DB's to bump up to 7-10 yards instead of 5. This would disrupt timing and allow the defense to have a way of playing pass D to replace in the past, having a LB level anyone who runs a crossing route. This would allow player safety as we are now but also equalize the advantage for the defense as well.
i like how the targeting call, which was identical to this one, in the Bama/A&M was taken back via review
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Anyone see Clowney's hit on that Tennessee RB? He lowered his head and speared into the runner.
TTUN fans would rather talk tOSU failures in the past ten years than their own successes. Probably because they haven't had a lot of success.
Ball carrier isn't considered defenseless so it won't get flagged. It would have to be really violently and/or obviously intentional.
Well he did ram him helmet to helmet like he did to the ttun player last year...
TTUN fans would rather talk tOSU failures in the past ten years than their own successes. Probably because they haven't had a lot of success.
Roby got away with a pretty clear targeting hit earlier in the game (the one on the sidelines). His demeanor after the hit on the TE, then, probably reminded the refs as much as anything of the earlier miss, hence the late flag.
Saw a few SEC players get tossed earlier in the day, so we can check our conspiracy theories at the door regarding Buckeyes or B1G. They're going to call this from here on out; players have to adjust.
Roby has to play smarter football across the board, though, and I think this may actually challenge him to revisit mechanics and basics. Maybe this will be a blessing in disguise.
its impossible to go low while using good form when the offensive player goes lower 1st. the end result will almost always be helmet to helmet or one really akward looking tackle using mostly hands. how can a coach teach good technique in practice with this crap rule in place?
What happened to half of this thread?
I think Urban needs to hire Chris Speilman on D so these guys can learn how to tackle, using their arms.
I think that linebacker, Borland - from Wisconsin, is the best tackler I've seen all year. I wish some of our guys would have been paying attention to the proper way to tackle in that game.
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See the difference is Roby vs that TE is a 50-70 lb weight difference. Borland vs the same TE is even. Its insane to think you can tackle the same way is those instances.
I will start out by saying again that I hate this rule and that it wasn’t a “dirty” hit…but when looking at the rule book I think the refs can justify making the call that they did.
There have been a few comments that refer to Roby’s shoulder hitting the TE first so it shouldn’t have been targeting. The NCAA rule book does not say anything about initial contact only. The point here is that even if it was secondary the crown of the helmet did hit the facemask. The hit was high enough where it caused the helmet to hit the facemask. The rule book states, “ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.”
The rule book goes on to define a launch (Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make contact in the head or neck area) as an indicator of targeting. When looking at the image that GRAY BOX posted it is clear at impact Roby’s right foot is about a foot off of the ground and his left foot is getting ready to leave the ground. The call/ejection could have gone either way on the field and when looking at the replay I don’t think the refs saw inconclusive evidence to overturn the call on the field. All I am saying is that I think the refs could justify the call per the rule book.