Trust me, I typed that tongue-in-cheek but didn't go so far as to use sarcasm font. I think I mentioned even that modest streak has only been accomplished three times since December.
Wasn't mentioned because he's not in the projected two-deep.
For the record, I'm 100% in agreement with you that 20 win seasons are fool's gold especially with the type of non-conf schedule Thad usually lines up. I imply as much in the article by citing the KP ranks of teams OSU beat. I also touched on the fact this will be another season with at least 10 losses which was a rare occurrence once upon a time. In other articles I've poked holes in the argument some make about Thad creating the higher expectations for the program and therefore getting a pass for down years, because he's paid at a level that dictates high expectations.
Not that you were necessarily addressing your comments to the article itself - I only want to be clear that I'm generally over Thad but am willing to give him one more year at max to turn things around. Truthfully, I'd be fine if he stepped down at season's end but if he doesn't, I can also see why Gene would be willing to give him another year. Just wanted to add my $.02 in comments because it doesn't make sense for me to call that out if I write a weekly article about OSU hoops.
Serious question, IronPastor, are you being sarastic?
I have to believe you are since it's a major stretch to suggest Loving played four good games in a row before his five point, 2 of 8 shooting game against Northwestern (in which his turnover leading to a breakaway layup late pretty much sealed the loss).
Loving was good against Nebraska (the game immediately preceding NW) with 15 pts and 11 reb with no turnovers. He also had the game-winner so definitely props to him.
Before that however, he did have 12 points against Sparty with seven boards but he also coughed it up five times and shot 2/6 from the field. I'd struggle to agree that was a "good game" from a senior expected to be the primary weapon heading into the season.
Before Sparty, he put up five points and two rebounds against five turnovers at Wisconsin. No way that classifies as "good".
Before Wisconsin, he missed eight of 11 shots for nine points with three turnovers against Minnesota.
Sorry for the late reply, Ohio Guy in Jersey. Here's a rambling stream of consciousness about it since I have to run but wanted to respond to your fair question..
With what Thad is paid combined with things like the talent available in Ohio alone, the conference he coaches in which helps recruiting because kids get to play against typically and consistently top-level competition, the city of Columbus as an attraction to an 18-yr old kid, the facilities / perks provided to the kids, the draw of Ohio State University in general, the fact that while football is and always will be King people will indeed come out and support a competitive program, I think it's realistic to expect Thad produce at least a Top 15-20 team that finishes in the top quarter of the B1G and is a lock to make the NCAA tournament every year with a legit shot (maybe say "favored shot") to make the 2nd weekend.
I get ebbs and flows will happen as a result of early departures etc. and I've stated I believe it's inarguable Thad is the best coach in the history of the program. He deserves(d) some time, I get it.
My biggest issue is that I see a roster of only role players over the last 3 or 4 years which is compounded by the reality they don't seem to improve much leading me to question if Thad has lost his magic recruiting touch. And I wonder if health is a factor. And if it is that's problem because his health won't get better. Thad has missed on a ton of Ohio/regional kids that could've been difference makers over that 3-4 year stretch. If he can't snag one or two of those guys every couple years, it will be hard to live up the previous standard he created - and which he is paid for. Especially if he not only misses on the big time guys but also swings and misses on guys like Nick Ward, or basically taking Loving over Nigel Hayes, or not keeping Adrien Payne in state etc.
I've been a big defender of Thad up until UCLA. Not that I expected OSU to even be competitive in that game (which is part of the problem) - it just finally hit me that I was done celebrating moral victories after roughly 3.5 years of doing so. Sometimes you just need change for the sake of change. I truly do hope Thad can turn this team around but if he can't, I'd also be fine with a total house cleaning with a fresh voice. Just how I feel.
That's where I stand, as well. These last two wins aren't impressive by any stretch - unless viewing only through the lens of lowered expectations for the program which I refuse to adopt. I think one could make a very good argument that these last two wins could ultimately set the program back further as pressure on Thad to get the program back to a higher standard (in line with his salary) is potentially compromised. I love Thad. Best hoops coach in school history but the argument that "he created these high expectations" and therefore should somehow get a pass is laughable because he's paid at a level in line with high expectations.
No, opinions are solely my own though they may happen to overlap with fellow staff. My thing is that while everyone, myself included, is piling on the staff structure and playcalling - which I believe to be totally fair - we can't lose sight of the fact a lot of players brought in with lots of hype haven't don't squat and the youth card isn't a legit excuse in many of those cases.
From a cursory glance at my notes, Prince had a False Start on the 3rd play of OSU's 3rd possession. The refs called said Price's number but replay showed Prince moved. On 5th play of 6th possession he and Price collapsed allowing a sack. On 2nd play of 7th possession pressure off his side led to rushed incompletion. I'm not bothering with looking at 2nd half notes or all rushing plays. This is just pass pro and penalties real quick.
Maybe I'm being hard on him but I'm not sure it's accurate to say he had "a good game" either.
Yep. Brainfart on my part.
I mixed in some fast-forward but yeah. Spoiler: it sucked the 2nd time around although I will say writing about losses is therapeutic. I'm all set to watch the hoops team possibly look like shit later today.
Certainly can't fault him for that!
Who is suggesting Prince at center?
I agree with you. I don't think Price is all-american caliber any more than I think Elflein is Rimington Award caliber. They both also had a lot of penalties this year for being seasoned players. I'm listing Price as a good guy to have back next year because I do think playing center is easier physically than playing guard and he'll benefit a little from that just as Elflein did. Both are pretty good, not spectacular, players that seem to benefit on the award circuit from playing at Ohio State and being around a while, imo.
I hope so!
It's interesting - yet random - that all three of us picked Clemson. Looking at the game preview which takes the cumulative picks of the entire staff, the prediction is OSU 31, Clemson 29. I feel like this game is a total toss up.