Eleven Warriors

PSU fans are delusional (generally). UM fans are just stupid (generally). It's really a toss up, PSU fans are more annoying, UM fans you just have to hate.

Run Fido nailed it

My personal experience with TSUN fans hasn't been that bad. A few real winners but mostly ok.

I will always hate Penn state fans. A few of us were watching the 06 NC game and these penn state fans were awful to us OSU fans. Just openly shit talking. "I f'ing hate Ohio State," and the like. 

I hate TSUN more than Penn St but I hate Penn st fans much more than TSUN fans.

I would typically reserve this stature to our hated rival tTUN fans.  However, due to the countless and when I mean countless I mean hearing one guy call in to ESPN radio today and said that if Joe P. was alive, then he could answer and explain these "questions" the Freeh report brings up.  Oh yeah, it gets better.  He then went on to say that the Freeh report was not a real investigation that the NCAA should use (It was done by PSU themselves..HOW MORE BLIND OR IN DENIAL CAN YOU BE you know)??!!  I almost went crazy in the car.  So I do indeed feel this ignorance to something that should have been brought to light over 14 years gave Joe plenty of time to "explain" as well as all involved.  PSU fans in denial as well as Paterno family are taking the cake and running with it right now IMO. 

For me personally, MSU fans take the cake with Mich fans right behind them. All of the PSU fans denial through this whole thing has me really hating them but I have no personal experience with them.

Take your pick, you cant go wrong!

Come On!!  As fans we wear our emotions on our sleeves & will do anything to discredit fact truths innuendos or whatever else that will discredit our team. I for one feel empathy for all schools that have to deal with issues of controversy. I recall, wasn't long ago a lot of us were defending Tressel. In my opinion, there is no better game than COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!!  The sprit and enthusiasm is the ultimate. I feel for the fans of PSU regardless of the fact Joe Pa did NOT do the right thing. They will (in time) will agree. 

WELL, only time will tell, but a true fan will know, even though they won't admit to it. PSU will survive & will be a team of excellence. Not today, not next week, or next year, they will be back. Just like OSU this year and seasons to come. 

As is evidenced by M Man, Rational M and Hail, TTUN fans are way better than PSU fans.  I know they may be the exception, but there are 0 PSU fans who have lasted on this site.  Anyone remember M1EK?   He pretty much represented his contingent like most every other PSU fan I have ever met.  I may hate UM, but I know many UM fans and can have reasonable conversations with them.  Every PSU fan I have ever met has an ego that is unmatched.  It started when a couple from unhappy valley moved into the apartment complex we managed my senior year at OSU in '74.  He was a PSU grad who seemed to take delight in putting down everything about the Buckeyes and every other Big 10 school.  To this day I have never met a PSU fan who could be even close to rational when talking about football. 

No contest, nit lions take the prize. 

I'll weigh in on this.  I have the unique perspective of being a graduate of both Penn State and Michigan.  (From this board's point of view, I suppose I couldn't be any worse even if my name was Matt Hayes.)  I support both schools and root for both their football teams.

On game day, Ann Arbor has always treated my Penn State guests better than Penn Staters treated my Michigan guests.

I'm going to the Wisconsin/Penn State season finale in State College. No way am I going to wear anything to "provoke" those drunkards; my black winter coat will do.

Come on, M Man, we all know that Michigan fans, especially the ones who actually graduated from that first-rate academic institution, are for the most part 100 times better than the scary trolls from Happy(happy?!?) Valley.

But then there is . . . that damn Hail to the Victors thing that plays more often than the USC fight song, Ten Year War, Heisman endzone pose, Michigan fans always bragging about the series lead even though that lead was almost entirely built before Eddie Rickenbacker got his first piece of action, etc. 

Huh? This is a serious question? Oh ok well then I'll do my best to stay on point.

There isn't a worse group of PEOPLE in the world than Penn State fans. Heck in terms of annoyance, Michigan fans aren't even in my top 5. Penn State, Michigan State, Alabama, Notre Dame, and Ohio State (I said it) are all far more obnoxious than UM fans. With that said, my 2-5 combined aren't as miserable, awful, and worthless as PSU fans.

PSU = worst fans out.

Simply put... Beat Michigan! HUMILIATE, DOMINATE, and DESTROY Penn State!

In the spirit of this discussion, I offer this link to an excellent Onion editorial from a while back (it starts talking about fans about halfway through).

Easy, Penn State. I hate michigan, but I respect them. There is next to zero respect for PSU

I live in the Toledo area and there are plenty of UM fans here.  Most are OK. They are as passionate about their team as we are ours, albeit a bit too pompous about the whole thing, imo.  Don't know too many PSU fans, but have heard nightmares about their home games. You hear the same from their fans about our home games. Think about it..How many schools have 50,000 or so people show up to NOT go to the game and get wildly drunk? Fun for us but not them necessarily!!

JESTERTCF;

Stay with 11W in that case.  Buckeye fans who can carry a conversation; who are (obviously) gracious enough hosts to tolerate somebody like me.

It really ought to be said -- 11W is a great place for ANY college football fans who have an interest in one of the truly great, historic football programs.

And thank you, most sincerely, for your service to the country.

Every team has a good deal of idiot fans...I'll put our idiot Buckeye Fans up against anyone. We have the biggest fan base in the nation and probably more unlikable fans than anyone. We win, we win!!!

@RAMPAGERIPSTER, yes PSU fans come from Philadelphia & Pittsburgh. But don't discount New Jersey and NYC. A fair amount of them come from there as well.

@ Kfleck you forgot one

NW fans for selling their tickets

In 2005, I went up to Penn State to watch us lose to the Nittany Lions.  A couple of my friends went up there the day before and stayed with another friend of ours, who was there for grad school.  We wore neutral shirts that night as he took us out on the town, making it clear that wearing an Ohio State shirt would be okay early on, but as the night wore on, would subject us to more than just harmless jeering.

The night went fine.  We realized that Penn State fans, at least most of them, are clinically insane.  Some of the things that came out of these peoples' mouths were nuts.  To paraphrase, there are still a couple that I remember.

"If we had just one better wide receiver, we would have won three straight national titles!"  (He was referring to 2000-2002, which absolutely blew my mind since they didn't even go to a bowl game in 2000 and 2001.)

"Kerry Collins is the greatest college quarterback of all time!"  (Wow...just...no.)

And my personal favorite...

"The Big Ten should pay us extra money every year just because of the tradition we bring to their conference!" (I spat out my beer at that point and had to apologize to a hot bartender.)

So, in a nutshell, not wearing Ohio State colors made things tolerable for the night before the game.  Fast forward to Saturday...

Of course we're going to wear our gear on Saturday.  My buddy had a couple of his work friends over to his place for some cooking out.  Like our friend, they did not go to Penn State for their undergrad.  One was a Clemson fan who looked like he had done several years of hard drinking, and another was a Pitt fan, which he wore simply to piss off the locals.

While we're cooking out on his patio, which the back faced University Drive just southeast of the Bryce-Jordan Arena, Penn State fans are screaming as they walk by.  At first, it wasn't bad, simply because they were just walking to their tailgate parties or whatnot and hadn't gotten liquored up.  As it went from morning to afternoon, the yelling got much worse and included objects being thrown at us.  At first, I thought they were throwing rocks until my friend got hit by one.

AA Batteries.  I don't know if this is a tradition there or not, but it wouldn't be the last time it happened.  Needless to say, my friend who lived there had to do some peacekeeping or else a fight would have happened.

We get to the stadium about an hour before kickoff and make our way around the people tailgating as much as possible.  Expletives are being yelled at us that make me wonder if the state of Pennsylvania has an IQ about 50 points lower than the rest of the Union.  Getting into the stadium wasn't too much of a problem and we got our seats in a small section of Ohio State fans, which really helped calm us down.

The game goes on and it was pretty enjoyable, with the exception of losing the game.  We decide to get out a bit early since we had to walk back to our friend's house and wanted to avoid any more harrassment.  That thought was quickly erased as we started to get pegged by more batteries, only this time, they were C and D cells.  I caught one in the back of the head and ended up falling down in the aisle, luckily being caught by my friend before bad things turned worse.  The policeman that was at the bottom of the aisle came up to us and also got pelted by a battery, though he caught it in the leg.  We were escorted out for safety reasons and walked back with little problem, though we got the usual "FUCK OHIO STATE!" or "GO TO HELL, BUCKEYES!" comments along the way.

So, when people ask me which fans I hate the most, I list them in this order:

1)  Penn State

2)  Wisconsin (Beer cans being thrown at us along fraternity row after losing in 2003)

3)  Michigan  (It's a great rivalry, but I've never had a problem with a Michigan fan personally.)

You think BSD is insane?  Good lord, you should go over to the free forum on the PSU Rivals site, BWI.

Those fans make BSD look intelligent.

Team I hate the most: Michigan. Every single TTUN grad/fan I've encountered just seemed arrogant and misguided, but also rational and decent.  I can't say that they would say any different about me.  Its about a respectful dislike, and thats actually what makes sports so much fun. I hate losing to them, but I also hated when the team was bad, because it hurt my favorite thing about the sport:  The Game.

Fans I hate the most: PSU, by a landslide.  Living in a town thats infested with PSU grads, I've had my fair share of personal and anecdotal experiences. PSU's MO has been all about ruthless hatred which has left me fearing for my safety on several occasions and frequently verbally abused.  I often get the feeling that they don't see "rival" teams as people, which is quite a scary thought.  Part of why I thought the punishment against them was fair was because that was a part of their culture through and through.  Not only did people of power lack any sort of empathy and and basic human compassion, but so do their fans on a very large scale (yes you will have your exceptions, but in my experience the rational fan is about 2% of the fan base).

My greatest wish out of this controversy of theirs is to take them down a few notches and re-evaluate their priorties.  I know our controversy did that for me though it was on a much different scale.  I really do hope that in 5 years I can have a chat with a PSU fan that leaves me feeling intrigued rather than befuddled.

I think Hodge has summed this up perfectly.  They hate us more because we ignore them.

White-Out, 2005.  We lost (I HATED that we lost).  And of course I hated the white-out.  But then I heard our band director said he'd never go back to PSU again because the fans were throwing crap at our band. 

Classless.  And their bitter, uncompromising defense of Joe P. and the scandal only adds to this perception.

I hope they enjoyed their share of a BIG 10 championship a little while back (now vacated).  That's the best they're going to see for a long time.

I would have thought Happy Valley would be a cool venue to watch a game...but based on the above I won't plan on going there anytime soon. 

I have a really good pictuer of sad PSU fans when they tried to white us out in 2009 and TP took it to them - I wish I could post it here, but I am not that savvy. 

Penn State fans are worse.  They were worse before Sandusky. During Sandusky. And after Sandusky.

I've always seemed to get along with Michigan fans.

Hail,  Most definitely I would still say PSU fans are the worst.  The losing ways of Cooper were hard to take, but many UM fans were rational about the whole thing.  Yes, there were obnoxious fans who went out of their way to make us feel bad, but most UM fans I knew actually wanted the rivalry to be competitive again, much like many of us in the recent years.  Don't get me wrong, I hate it whenever we lose to UM.  But, PSU fans have always been overly obnoxious. 

We as buckeye fans are surrounded by douches from neighboring states. They both suck, but as of lately I have to give it to PSU. scUM are always going to be scUM though!

@HAIL - That's an interesting point, it is worth noting that a lot of Michigan fans were twisting the knife on us pretty bad with the overall sentiment of "OSU isn't our most important rival, MSU's a bigger game".  I was young, but my best friend would always say that to me, and it just infuriated me to no end.  I remember Bob Hunter even writing a column during the RichRod debacle (when lopsided Buckeye wins were a foregone conclusion) about how OSU fans would be best served by not talking shit to UM fans, but instead playing up their rivalries with Wisconsin and Penn State:  giving them a taste of their own medicine.