Police: Ohio State Running Back Carlos Hyde Will Not Face Charges in Connection with Reported Assault

By 11W Staff on July 30, 2013 at 8:52p
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According to a media release issued by the Columbus Police Department, Ohio State running back Carlos Hyde will not face charges for a reported assault that took place at Sugar Bar 2 nearly 10 days ago. The alleged victim in the case – who told us she planned to issue a statement Wednesday morning and minutes after the Hyde news hit today, did just that – did not wish to press charges. From the CPD's perspective, the case is officially closed.

This is a story that's taken multiple turns, from the revelation of a surveillance tape, to a report that Hyde did not strike the alleged victim, to reports indicating that Hyde, did in fact, strike the alleged victim, to the Columbus Police speaking up to say that much of the reporting on the situation had been "reckless up to this point."

In the video shown above (the action starts around the 3:10 mark), it's obvious the victim in the case intended to strike Hyde first, and Hyde attempted to strike the victim in return. Due to the quality of the video, it's impossible to ascertain whether either party made substantial contact.

[RELATED: Key Frames from Video of Hyde Incident]

As for Hyde, It remains to be seen what punishment – if any, though we have to assume there will be something – Urban Meyer applies to him and whether his status with the team, currently registered as "suspended indefinitely" changes.

We'll have more as this story develops.

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USMC11917's picture

Awesome, now that he is cleared criminally is there any indication if Urbs intends to do something to Carlos in regard to team rules? I would think not but answers from someone in the know are welcome.

FROMTHE18's picture

would expect a shortish suspension/probationish type thing and some quality time with Coach Mick

toad1204's picture

I'm sure Coach Mick has something special he's been holding onto for a special occasion.... May or may not look something like this.

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

FROMTHE18's picture

Mick would probably make them bear crawl up that entire thing, then job down, then shuffle side ways all the way up and finish with 100 sit ups and 100 puchs ups...and thats just the warm up

PlanningBuck12's picture

I know it is 122 steps from the ground to the top of B-Deck in South Stands. How I know this...well its very boring when you have a noon game against Minnesota your freshman year. And for someone that doesn't like heights, well I wanted to see how high I was. I'm sure climbing the steps to C or D deck would just be worst. 

PlanningBuck

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Gametime's picture

Diamond Head?

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

Oh, yes, when Mick gets ahold of them they will be sweating more then the guy in Airplane!  Will make them think twice about putting themselves in vulnerable positions. 
Go Bucks!

Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

I think it's safe to say that there will be some sort of punishment. Will it go to the extent of suspension or something? I doubt it (unless there is more information we don't know yet). However, I would not be surprised at all if Meyer incurs some sort of intense physical punishment (i.e. gassers) above and beyond what is already planned. IMO, something needs to be done as punishment, but nothing season altering. We'll see, hopefully sooner rather than later and without the endless supply of twists.

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence" - Calvin Coolidge

Kaceybrown's picture

Being a retired infantry nco, I know for a fact a good up paced mixture of front back goes, sprints, 3-5 second rushes (I'm up, he sees me, I'm down), push ups, sit ups, roll around in some sand after they're all sweaty... Make sure you include lots of water. It's more effective than any "minor" administrative action. And it doesn't effect his career. 

JasonR's picture

I believe his suspension was subject to completion of the criminal investigation, as well as a review of the student code of conduct. If the video shows conclusively that he did slap that girl, I'd say he could still face a significant suspension and/or some sort of non-football punishment from the university.
I sure hope that's not the case, but something tells me this isn't going to just blow over.

Boxley's picture

I agree JASONR, if he did indeed strike the girl he is going to be suspended.
For how long, well we could do an entire thread on that one with everyone weighing in with their best "guess". Maybe the winner getting a "Free Carlos" T-shirt as the prize for coming the closest on what UFM decides to be his punishment. I do not see any scenario, given what we know at this point of Hyde not getting multiple game suspensions, just for poor leadership behavior alone.
A telling note on the girls statement was that she stated "The CPD informed me that I have up to two years to file charges".

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I wonder if this is done then, or if Meyer is going to want to see things for himself....
edit: sorry for the duplicate question, posted at the same time.

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Buckeye Stuck In Illini Country's picture

I'm thinking the same thing. While I'm glad that it seems Carlos won't be facing criminal charges, El Guapo's fate with the team is really up to Urban. 

I may live among a bunch of Illini, but I'll be a Buckeye until the day that I die.

XUbuckeye's picture

Will this mess finally be coming to an end?!

"So when you get knocked on your butt, get up, get over it, and then next time, kick their ass." - Woody Hayes 

buckeyeboy31's picture

^^^^^^^^^^
internet winner for the day

hit_the_couch's picture

That's good, but he still has to answer to Urban. 
I'll be glad when this is over; there are so many damn angles and stories that I don't think anyone actually knows what happened/ the truth.
 
What the hell is going on with Roby?

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

hit_the_couch's picture

I found her statement, but I can't find the actual police media release. She's either gonna wait till has a shot at the NFL or it will go away. Not sure she even wrote this or it was her lawyer.
Mindy Drayer, if anyone, should be suspended.
 
Keeping in mind what is for me and my family I have decided to refrain from filing charges at this time.
Some of the media has rushed to judgment regarding the incident to ensure they are the first to report the information, whether it be factual or false. This has been overwhelming, frustrating and disappointing. It is unimaginable to be exposed to these false reports, claims and rumors and for anticipated 4 months expected to bring this incident to a conclusion.
I would like to thank the Columbus Police department for their patience and professionalism they showed conducting their investigation. They have advised me I have up to two years to consider criminal charges.
I believe the video, if released, will speak for itself when shown in its entirety and not edited or censored.
Thank you
 
 

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

Larryp713's picture

I hate this type of statement. It is clear they are leaving this open because the public opinion is clearly skeptical, for now. If there is no reason to press charges now, just put it to bed. The evidence will never be clearer than right now. 
I want to see the video, but if she took a swipe at him, and he did not knock her across the room, this is in no way criminal and should be dismissed as a silly/youthful encounter that hopefully is a teaching moment for both young people.

Respectfully,

Larryp713

GV9's picture

If he slapped her then I'd bet on a few games suspension at the least, even if she doesn't press charges.  

bigbadbuck's picture

If shes got up to 2 years to decide then you know shes going to wait until Carlos signs that contract and then sue him..

osu07asu10's picture

Criminal cases and Cival cases are two entirely different things. Although it helps to have a conviction on the criminal side, charges aren't necessary for a civil lawsuit.
That being said, statute of limitations for a civil suit for assault / injury to person is 1 year. If bodily harm was caused, it is 2  years.
Unless she has photographic evidence, the police report states she had bodily harm (it does not), or she has a medical record showing injuries from that night, she will not be able to prove bodily harm.
Therefore she has 1 year to file a civil suit to cash in on his contract, from the date of the alleged incident. If Carlos knows this, he can simply wait to sign his rookie contract until after the statute of limitations expires. 

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

BuckeyeNationProblems's picture

You practice Bro-Law?

Matt

buckeyedude's picture

Does that mean El Guapo has up to two years to decide if he wants to sue her? She did take a swing at him first, if my eyes aren't deceiving me.

 

 

avail31678's picture

Agreed BDude.  While he may or may not have a strong case (she's a girl, she missed (maybe) etc), she will always have the chance that he can counter.  It's clear there were details that on the original report that were likely exaggerated, so I would presume he could counter asking for damages based on his career being affected.
I'm no lawyer, so I'm speculating.  However I've been involved with some legal stuff lately, and I can tell you virtually nothing is cut and dry, IMO.  It's certainly possible he can create headaches for her if she tries to do the same to him.

osu07asu10's picture

Sure, the case could be made absolutely. Whether a judge would listen is an entirely different story.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Grayskullsession's picture

HELL YES

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

Mi.Buckeye's picture

Yeah, party hard, just not at Sugar Bar 2!

burkmon's picture

MI.Buckeye, you do know your icon is one of which is NOT a buckeye leaf, correct?  just checkin'

 

Mi.Buckeye's picture

I found it online at
http://forestry.about.com/od/thecompletetree/ig/Tree-Leaf-Silhouette-/Si...
It said it was a Horse Chestnut/Buckeye Leaf. It's not a marijuana leaf if that is what you were implying.
http://forestry.about.com/od/thecompletetree/ig/Tree-Leaf-Silhouette-/Silhouettes-Buckeye-Leaf.htm

ceegeelawrence's picture

I'm almost afraid to believe it after the multiple conflicting reports. I'm trolled-out, media. 

Idaho Helga's picture

Yeah, until I hear from Urban on this I'm not going to believe its over.  I think if he slapped her he's getting some kind of punishment nonetheless.   Buffalo game?

Buckeye Stuck In Illini Country's picture

I agree. Who knows what twist will come up tomorrow. I've believed too many reports to believe it's over now.

I may live among a bunch of Illini, but I'll be a Buckeye until the day that I die.

ceegeelawrence's picture


 
This pretty much sums up the media whiplash following the breaking of the story.

BuckeyePoetLaureate's picture

Good.  That makes my latest Buckeye poem even more relevant.

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3GB's picture

EL GUAPO RIDES AGAIN

nfischer's picture

Hopefully after watching the video, I won't have to update this gif.

Poison nuts's picture

Good news is, he'll likely stay on the team. Bad news for him is Urban is going to punish him in some facility I would imagine. Hopefully, this wraps things up & this saga will be ending...now, I'll be interested to see what happens with Bradley Roby.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

ziplock007's picture

There's a big difference between 'no charges filed' and 'no wrongdoing'
The Columbus police admit they don't file charges if victims don't cooperate, and that's likely what happened here.
What's the over/under on games Hyde will play?
Roby?

OSUStu's picture

12 games for both.  2 game suspensions.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

Larryp713's picture

0-4 games missed for Carlos, 2-6 games missed for Roby, would be my guess.
I would recommend 0 games missed for Carlos and 2 games for Roby.

Respectfully,

Larryp713

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Hyde sits out the Buffalo game. Roby sits out the first two games. That's my take on suspensions. Both get hell from Urbs and Marotti in the form of lots of extra exercise and community service, which should end their visits to bars on the weekends.

rekrul's picture

I am so happy I may just take my pet giraffe skiing again...
<Looks at pick on phone from last time>  Ok maybe not...
 

Out Work, Out Think, Out Play!!!

toad1204's picture

Been waiting to use that havent you?

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

BUCKfutter's picture

Guessing EG won't play against Buffalo and maybe SDSU, but that will be about it.  Glad this is over with.

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

d1145fresh's picture

Something tells me you are going to be seeing El Guapo out by Buckeye Grove for a few weeks. The other time will be spent bonding with Coach Mick

thatlillefty's picture

good news but i seriously doubt he escapes the wrath of Mariotti

cbusbuckeye's picture

Marriotti is the wife beating espn commentator, Marotti is the strength coach

thatlillefty's picture

oh... well that explains the downvotes. Good call, cbus.

Braxton2Devin's picture

I think they should just sit him out for the Buffalo game. Get Wilson, Dunn, EZE some serious PT against a not-so-good team

jeremytwoface's picture

I'm thinking there will be a game or two suspension.

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

AndyVance's picture

Don't get too excited yet - depending on the content of the statement from the alleged victim tomorrow, depending on Urban's view on the Mindy Drayer-diagrammed video, and given Meyer's admission that his gut was to cut Hyde immediately, we probably shouldn't presume too much about how Coach is ultimately going to handle this situation.
I HOPE this time tomorrow we'll all be chanting "Free El Guapo," and with good reason (in other words, that the alleged victim says it's all blown out of proportion, nothing to see here, move along, etc. etc.).

Dougger's picture

FREE EL GUAPO NOW!!

I like football

BUCKI06's picture

I'm with you Andy - not getting excited at all yet.
If the video shows him hitting the girl, I don't think Urban's going to go light on him - nor should he if this is the case.
We'll wait and see what tomorrow brings...

"As long as we're keeping score, we're gonna try to win this thing." - UFM

Oyster's picture

I have made one comment on this whole situation, and that was last Monday.  I said I was going to wait and see what transpires.  If this news is indeed true, it would seem as though the incident at the Bogey Inn will end up being worse in terms of legal issues, so the repercussions should be at a maximum the same.  This is just how I look at it in terms of being consistent with enforcement and rehabilitative therapy. 

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

BUCKfutter's picture

Maybe, but there's no wall mural at WHAC saying "don't pee in parking lots".

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

Oyster's picture

Valid point, but when I see 'no charges', I have to believe there is nothing he can be charged with and it 's not that the girl is not going forward with a case.  Just my take on the matter.
 
Also, Mr. Connery would not use the word pee, he would have used urinate ; )   

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

rekrul's picture

I agree, but no charges mean there should not be any season long ramifications...  Unless this statement goes Jerry Springer I do not see anything.  I think it will also depend if this tape gets leaked or released in the next month, as bad as that sounds.  I would rather there not be any release of the tape to give the media reason to review and toss some gas on a smoking heap of wood.  I mean how many times have we seen a play that some pundits think the play looks legit while others do not.  Like the NBA with fouls and flops...  I can only imagine this.

Out Work, Out Think, Out Play!!!

Evannati's picture

I have to agree.  I think if Hyde touches her in anyway that can be interpreted as hostile, he is gone. 

OSUStu's picture

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

danavh4's picture

As of right now he is not a member of the team correct?  Sorry, so much has happened I can't even remember.

BUCKI06's picture

I believe he is a member of the team - just suspended indefinitely pending the outcome of the investigation.

"As long as we're keeping score, we're gonna try to win this thing." - UFM

whobdis's picture

I think it will be similar to the Storm Klein situation..Urban will want to talk to the girl and get the story from her. Probably watch the film as well.
 

AndyVance's picture

No comment from Coach Meyer yet:

 

Stinson's picture

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Jangs78's picture

Good news...now its time to refocus on the season at hand.  Lets do this boys!

FROMTHE18's picture

Some people have mentioned to me that there is going to be a public statement of sorts by the alleged victim? is this true? if so, im a bit surprised.

Oyster's picture

+1 for FINALLY CHANGING THAT AVATAR!
Thank you, and I seriously mean that.

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

OSUStu's picture

Was his Paul Rudd?

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

Oyster's picture

Yes, very disturbing.

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

FROMTHE18's picture

eh, dunno if its disturbing if youve seen the movie THIS IS 40, one of the funnier scenes.

OSUStu's picture

I've seen it.  Funny and disturbing aren't mutually exclusive.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

GoBucks713's picture

Unless it's a Farrelly Brother's movie

-The Aristocrats!

buckeyedude's picture

I second that Oyster.

 

 

buckeye56's picture

I hate to be "sources" guy, but I have an in law who is a veteran in the CPD, who told me Sunday that Mindy Drayer did NOT see the security cam footage, but cell phone video from that night. He has seen the video and was VERY confident that #34 would not be charged.

FROMTHE18's picture

Mindy Drayer came off as, i dont want to say making things up, but her report seemed a bit made up...definitely trying to make a name for herself IMO

buckeyes33's picture

Regardless of the outcome I'd really like to see Hyde sit for 3-4 games to think about his stupid behavior. You just can't put hands on a Woman regardless.
I'd love to see his competition get the chance to prove themselves for the non-conference games since they've shown they are capable of controlling themselves off the field.
Looking forward to some great competition at RB this year.

OSUStu's picture

You just can't put hands on a Woman regardless.

How can you say you want him suspended for 3-4 games when we don't even know the above happened?
 

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

buckeyes33's picture

*If that did occur

OSUStu's picture

Okay then, agreed.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

droessl's picture

this gif pretty much covers my range of emotions on this story:

ColerainBuckeye33's picture

This from another site not sure if it can be relied on but interesting to say the least.
 
edr4225 wrote: The alleged victim released the following statement to NBC4 Tuesday:
Keeping in mind what is for me and my family I have decided to refrain from filing charges at this time.
Some of the media has rushed to judgment regarding the incident to ensure they are the first to report the information, whether it be factual or false. This has been overwhelming, frustrating and disappointing. It is unimaginable to be exposed to these false reports, claims and rumors and for anticipated 4 months expected to bring this incident to a conclusion.
I would like to thank the Columbus Police department for their patience and professionalism they showed conducting their investigation. They have advised me I have up to two years to consider criminal charges.
I believe the video, if released, will speak for itself when shown in its entirety and not edited or censored.
Thank you
Columbus police announced Tuesday morning that the investigation into the alleged assault has been officially closed.

A wise man once said "success is not final and failure is not fatal"

ColerainBuckeye33's picture

If this is anyway true it looks more and more like she will try to seek a payday out of this like my source reported to me.

A wise man once said "success is not final and failure is not fatal"

osu07asu10's picture

lol did you happen to notice that all of the official word is coming from the Columbus Police Department?

Not some HS buddy who knows someone who knows someone in the courthouse?

 

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

GoBucks713's picture

My source told me that the bathroom down the hall is getting low on toilet paper.

-The Aristocrats!

osu07asu10's picture

"what about the piece stuck to your shoe"
 

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

GoBucks713's picture

You know, you might get ahead around here if you made the extra effort

-The Aristocrats!

osu07asu10's picture

"Oh why... did you want me to wipe your ass?"

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

hit_the_couch's picture

If she tries to sue him, then she has to do it in the state he lives in. If he makes it to the NFL, then as long as he doesn't play for Cincy or Cleveland then he should be OK.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

FROMTHE18's picture

Ohio NFL teams love Ohio State players

osu07asu10's picture

That is incorrect. The incident happened in Franklin County, Ohio. The only court with jurisdiction to hear and rule on a civil case would be the Franklin County Civil Section (if the claim exceeded $15,000) or Franklin County Municipal Court (Small Claims) if the claim does not exceed $3,000.
Even if Carlos is living in another state, she can still file a claim in Franklin County.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Brutus&#039; Left Nut's picture

Motion to change venue due to bias since he is an OSU football player and it is an extremely public issue.

osu07asu10's picture

Again, this would be a civil case. They are not going to change venues for an civil claim. For starters, if it is a small claims case, it is heard entirely by a magistrate. If she tries to sue him for more than $15,000, it would go to a preliminary hearing prior to seating a jury.

At that hearing, she would have to at a high level justify the amount of her claim. That would mean demonstrating that she has lost X amount of money as a result of the alleged assault.  These type of things are medical bills, lost job due to emotional stress, inability to go out in public for fear of being struck.  These are all tough to prove and generally require evidence (medical records, unemployment, hospital bills, etc). 
The second piece of the claim is punitive damages that the victim can ask for to punish the plantiff for their actions, that the judge ultimately awards to punish the plantiff and deter future actions. After seeing the video, is a judge going to punitively punish Hyde to the tune of more than $15,000?

What I'm saying is, the judge would toss the claim.
EVEN in the event that an assault charge is filed against Hyde. It will NEVER go to trial. He will plea to something and it will be done.
 
The whole "change of venue" is sensationalism at its best. This is an alleged misdemeanor, charges WERE NOT filed, and that is the end of the line.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Shangheyed's picture

Investigation is over, but some made their biased opinions well known...
There should be equal legal action against those who used their personal hatred for Meyer and tOSU as an excuse to commit someone before any investigation.  For over 2 days Matt has had this headline on Sportingnews.com.  There was no attack, and the video confirms no violence.  Hayes is is liable for slander and at least some of the worst sports reporting I have witnessed ever.  Its clear he has a bug for tOSU, and hope someone takes him to court for his slanderous so called reporting.  The only way to get rid of these trolls is to take them to task for their actions.  Would love to see has in court over his Trolling of Carlos, Meyer and tOSU.
 
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hit_the_couch's picture

Isn't Hayes the reporter from Florida that got butt hurt after Urban left?

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

Shangheyed's picture

I think he is a Tennessee fan... so we have no idea the kind of pain and anguish he has been under...

Oldschoolbuck's picture

Not a lawyer, but it's pretty hard to sue media scuzzballs for slander; I think the plaintiff has to prove a reporter knew what they were reporting was incorrect and intended willful harm to someone's reputation.
I'm sure there are some Warriors that are attorneys and could explain the criteria for a libel/slander suit.
The 1st amendment, for better or worse, gives the press a lot of latitude.

skid21's picture

So some asshole can say to thousands of people Urban bought off the witness and face no consequences? Yet if I commit slander or libel against my neighbor with 15 witnesses I could be prosecuted? That makes total sense.

Oldschoolbuck's picture

Yeah, I totally agree SKID21. Again, I'm not an attorney (nor do I play one on TV), but the press/media can "report" some outrageous sh** and it's really hard to sue them successfully.

SaltyD0gg's picture

I don't think the CPD is under any requirement to release the tape, right? There may be no more evidence than hearsay when all is said and done. Any legal eagles out there to confirm?

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RedStorm45's picture

Video will be released today to the media. - per Dom Tiberi on 97.1.  He says we will all be able to see it by tonight.

shortbus20's picture

This is from NBC4I.com
COLUMBUS, Ohio - In a statement released exclusively to NBC4, the 19-year old alleged victim has stated she does not want prosecutors to pursue assault charges against senior Ohio State running back Carlos Hyde.
The 22-year-old was named as a person of interest in connection with a Columbus police report of an assault inside downtown Columbus Sugar Bar 2 on the morning of July 20. The alleged assault occurred at about 2 a.m., according to police.
The alleged victim released the following statement to NBC4 Tuesday:
Keeping in mind what is for me and my family I have decided to refrain from filing charges at this time.
Some of the media has rushed to judgment regarding the incident to ensure they are the first to report the information, whether it be factual or false. This has been overwhelming, frustrating and disappointing. It is unimaginable to be exposed to these false reports, claims and rumors and for anticipated 4 months expected to bring this incident to a conclusion.
I would like to thank the Columbus Police department for their patience and professionalism they showed conducting their investigation. They have advised me I have up to two years to consider criminal charges.
I believe the video, if released, will speak for itself when shown in its entirety and not edited or censored.
Thank you
Columbus police announced Tuesday morning that the investigation into the alleged assault has been officially closed

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RedStorm45's picture

Is that the statement she was going to release Wednesday? (per 11W topic previously)

OSUStu's picture

I hope not because it really doesn't tell us anything substantive.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

toad1204's picture

They have advised me I have up to two years to consider criminal charges.

Dont want to read too far into it but seems fishy...

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

OSUStu's picture

The last sentence tells you what you need to know.  The investigation is closed at this point.
Two years is the statute of limitations for assault in Ohio:

Ohio Revised Code » Title [23] XXIII COURTS - COMMON PLEAS » Chapter 2305: JURISDICTION; LIMITATION OF ACTIONS
2305.10 Bodily injury or injury to personal property.
(A) Except as provided in division (C) or (E) of this section, an action based on a product liability claim and an action for bodily injury or injuring personal property shall be brought within two years after the cause of action accrues. Except as provided in divisions (B)(1), (2), (3), (4), and (5) of this section, a cause of action accrues under this division when the injury or loss to person or property occurs.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

OldColumbusTown's picture

Yes, the whole statement just seems questionable.  Seems to me the "4 month anticipation" comment and the "They have advised me I have up to two years to consider criminal charges" snippet make it sound as though she does not want to be berated by Ohio State fans during the upcoming season, so she'll wait until after to press charges.
Just sounds fishy.  Either he did it or did not, but I would think she'd have some conviction about it...

shortbus20's picture

I believe this is the key point here:
I would like to thank the Columbus Police department for their patience and professionalism they showed conducting their investigation. They have advised me I have up to two years to consider criminal charges.
She can always reconsider if she wants to.

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OSUStu's picture

She can reconsider, yes.  However, there is nothing yet that leads me to believe there is enough evidence for a prosecutor to file the charges regardless of her desire to pursue them.

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AeroBuckeye2001's picture

Remember, he has two years to file charges against her as well. Tit for tat.

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

did somebody say "no charge?" .....anybody?

droessl's picture

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IBleedSandG's picture

Great news! Now if we can find out what the deal is w/ Roby.

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harleymanjax's picture

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

IBleedSandG's picture

Mmmmm, Sofia Vergara.

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Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

Photoshop Friday, anyone?
I kid, I kid..

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Took me a second before I got it. Then I giggled.

GoBucksOSU's picture

This is great news!

highwire's picture

Just another issue squashed.
 

niblick's picture

the last 90 seconds of this video is appropriate today!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-iIg-lFy80

Hovenaut's picture

"No charges to be filed, the case is closed."

All I needed to read.

That said, I believe Urban will/should hand down some punishment. This is a chance to send a message across many fronts, as well as being the right thing to do in my opinion.

Play on, Buckeyes.

DefendYoungstown's picture

What does anybody has to gain from the video being released?

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

The only thing that could be gained from this is that we see(and so does everyone else) that Carlos didn't get physical with her. That's the only outcome that could be positive. 

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gwalther's picture

So this is good news.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Good - now stay out of the f**king Sugar Bar 2 for a while boys.................

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Breaking news:
 
Mindy Drayer moving to Nashville to be Herbie's neighbor. Angry mob armed with torches and pitch forks helps her pack, a few items were damaged in the move. Story at 11. 

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FROMTHE18's picture

I think Mindy Drayer needs to atone for her actions. She reported she saw the tape and that Hyde did slap the girl. Other reports suggest differently and now its been revealed that she probably didnt even see the tape. I think asking her why she said those things needs to happen. 

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

SHE DIDN'T SEE IT?!?! 

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

I now have to listen to 97.1 to hear things that Mindy hasn't seen be explained by Mindy.

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

If she really hasn't seen the tape in question then I hope she gets S-canned post haste. 

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jeremytwoface's picture

She pretty much described it in perfect detail.
She definitely saw it.
 
The only thing she did wrong is make assumptions like "I'm not sure if she hit him" and "he definitely made contact with her".
 
Other than that, she described it exactly as it happened.

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faux_maestro's picture

That does NOT prove that she saw the video. She could have had a person (a cop, the girl, her parents, someone from the club, ANYONE WITH AN AGENDA) relay the info to her along with their commentary/spin of what happened during the altercation, which she then proceeded to report as fact. The idea that you can prove that he said something derogatory (without her saying something first) or that he made contact but SHE didn't WHICH IS WHAT SHE ORIGINALLY REPORTED based on this video is laughable at best and poor journalistic integrity at worst. 

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headina's picture

So awesome. You win at life. 

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penult's picture

A plethora of piñatas

cwglee's picture

What am I missing? If he is cleared of any and all charges why would he receive any punishment at all? It wasn't during the season so there's no curfew rule, he's 22, certainly he's allowed to drink. Is there something I'm missing? 
* I guess I'm trying to understand why being accused of something is automatically grounds for deserving punishment.

Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

My thoughts would be any or all of the following:
1) He still could be seen as disrespecting a woman, depending on what UFM knows/has seen.
2) He still made a bad decision that came close to being disastrous for him and hurt the team.
3) This is the prime time to send a message by punishing him without having to be excessive about it.

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Boxley's picture

Yep, you pretty much covered it all there. 1000000% agree. He is going to get multiple game suspensions for his actions as a senior on this team.

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doodah_man's picture

One down, one to go...Talking to you Roby.

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House804's picture

We talkin' bout practice?!  Not the game I love...the game I die for.  Practice?!

BKLYN_Buckeye's picture

I'm gonna hold off on celebrating until I see this video. I think that will speak for itself. It doesn't matter if Hyde is not charged if there is a zero tolerance policy towards hitting woman- if the video is bad, he won't be playing another down.

MichiganBuckeye222's picture

Agreed.

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OSUStu's picture

I suspect there is a fair chance we will never see the video.

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rkylet83's picture

I'm sure Coach Meyer is reviewing the tape with the athletic department and his assistant coaches to determine what the best course of action should be.  If the retaliative strike was aggressive and violent (in which person could be injured) he should face some serious consequences, both personally for himself and the public reputation of Ohio State.  If the strike was non-violent (like a push or a light tap) I'm sure he'll be reinstated and have some minor punishment, like anger management or community service etc.  His status is all up to interpretation by Ohio State at this point.

MichiganBuckeye222's picture

I would be intererested in seeing the tape. If he hit this woman, he shold be kicked off the team.  Real men do not hit women in any circumstance.  
I don't care if charges are filed or not.  I sure hope that Urbs feels the same way.
 

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BTBuckeye's picture

Not really celebrating over here. I really just hope he didn't touch her. That is the only thing that matters.

Buckeyeneer's picture

Holds breath. . . waits for dramatic twist. . . .

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Earle's picture

M. Night Shyamalan is working on the screenplay...no, wait--it's all a screenplay.  We're all in a Shyamalan film!  It all makes perfect sense, now!

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Buckeyeneer's picture

M. Night Shyamalan is the girl!

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Earle's picture


Whoa!!

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tennbuckeye19's picture

Now that is a twist I did not see coming.
 

Maestro's picture

Fantastic then!!
Hope Carlos can use this as a learning situation and put it behind him.

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Stinson's picture

Football season? 
 
Is that... 
 
is that you..?
 

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Northbrook's picture

Very self serving statement from the young lady. My impression is that this was an excellent opportunity for character improvement for her and she passed.

buckeyedude's picture

I have a friend that knows the cousin of the neighbor that lives across the street from the woman in question, and supposedly she is writing a book about the whole incident, with a movie soon to follow afterwards.

 

 

OSUStu's picture

If anyone wants to see something truly amazing, head over to ESPN (I know, for shame) and check out the comments on this story now that they are using Facebook.
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Yamosu's picture

Roby, I think 2-3 games. No worries there.  My concern is still around El Guapo.  If Meyer has a 0 tolerance policy, then I think you only have two options.  No punishment or kicked off team because Urban decides that he either did assault a woman or didn't.

Boxley's picture

I think it will be a two game (minimum) suspension and he will lose his role as the starting back for the season. Why let his name go down in the tOSU football records as a starter this year. Not starting will not affect his future earnings as a pro, but will send a strong message to the team

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Stinson's picture

He'll get a suspension, but he won't lose his starting spot. He's a hell of a back.

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Yamosu's picture

And I understand this reasoning, but this would not be in line with the supposed zero tolerance policy that has been stated in regards to Urban handling of violence against women.  If he suspends him for two games, then he is admitting that Carlos did something wrong (violence against women) but by allowing him to continue with the team, he is saying that he really doesn't have a zero tolerance.  So I would think that he either decides carlos did nothing wrong and there is no punishment, or that he did and he is off the team.

FROMTHE18's picture

Meyer isnt a either or type of guy on punishments IMO, i think he is smart and lets the punishment fit the crime, if not having the punishment be harsher than it should be. Hyde could miss 1-2 games IMO and thatd be harsh considering no charges are being filed. I think suspending him for the first game and some hard off season type punishments would suffice. Roby will be 3 games IMO. Hurts in terms of All American, All B1G, and nation awards which is how you can leave a legacy. Why kids throw away opportunities for those is beyond me. 

southbymidwest's picture

Sigh. Her statement sounds a little defensive and dare I say, whiny. (Hey, I have two daughters, I can spot whiny from a looonnnng distance.) I am concerned about her "I believe the video, if released, will speak for itself when shown in its entirety and not edited or censored." along with "They have advised me I have up to two years to consider criminal charges" parts of her statement. They are not reassuring to me in the least. It seems to me that she is putting all the blame on Carlos, even though there seems to be evidence that she had some part/blame in the whole series of events that she needs to own up to. I am in no way saying that Carlos should have taken the alleged actions that he did, but playing the poor-me innocent here is a bit much. A pox on both of them for their poor decisions that night.

zbd's picture

Stay out of bars......there's a reason the drinking age keeps going up.

rekrul's picture

The 80's called, they want their comment back.

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William's picture

Nancy Reagan, is that you? I didn't think they let you out of the retirement home anymore? Seriously, the drinking age has nothing to do with this case...

Ethos's picture

Yes, because drunk 40 year old men never do this or worse.

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Bucks's picture

Video being released right now. Opinions going to be all over the place I'm guessing. Will just be glad when Urban makes his decision(s) & we can move towards Sunday camp.

BuckI_1033's picture

Do you know where and when this video will be released?
 
Edit: nevermind

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

My submission for this guessing game: A two game suspension, anger management counseling, some quality time with Coach Marotti.

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pjtobin's picture

Good for him! I'm so glad it was all a mistake. Or whatever it's being called? I love watching Hyde run the ball. I'm glad we get to see him finish his career on the field. 

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RBuck's picture

Urban's wrath > criminal charges. Hate to say this but look for 3-6 games.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

wojodta's picture

Barring any more news coming out, anything more than a 2 game suspension seems excessive to me.

William's picture

Just watched the video. She takes a swing at him, you can't tell if there is contact, and then he definitely looks to shove her back with his left arm, but you can't tell if there is any contact as well. 10TV just uploaded the video for those interested. 
Edit: I see that 11W has it posted on this thread as well. 

FROMTHE18's picture

hm, that video warrants suspension. Even though it looked like Hyde was calm up the point of the alleged slap, he still reacted poorly and should have just walked away. With this out now, think Urban has no choice but a few games to at least send a message. The video should embarrass Hyde a bit. Looks ridiculous that he had to go back and make contact with the girl in anyway, just let it go man. Ive been punched by a girl a couple times, on accident and by design, just laugh it off and move on.

EvanstonBuckeye's picture

It's some sort of push/mush/slap it seems. I agree with suspension, though, regardless of her initial attempt at a slap.

pcuzz1's picture

Really hard to see of contact was made.. very iinterested to ser what type of punishment hyde is handed

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William's picture

You can't even tell if either of them made contact. I mean if you're going to clock someone or shove them, you might as well make clear contact, amirite? 

UrbanBuckeye's picture

So basically, I have no clue about this still. Video quality isn't great. I'll trust Urban's judgment.

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tennbuckeye19's picture

I'm not even sure what I just watched...

mh277907's picture

A bunch of guys watching a stage full of dancing girls. A guy walks in with a water gun. Another with a flashlight. Both point said objects at girls dancing. Guys huddle in corner like a pack of wolves stalking their prey, pointing out the most viable target. Guy asks Carlos to talk to a girl for him. Carlos does so and tells the young woman that someone wants to talk to her. She doesn't seem to understand. Carlos reiterates. She tries to slap him, can't tell if contact is made, he steps toward her and moves his arm in her direction, again can't tell if contact is made. That is what I gathered from this.

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cal3713's picture

There was definitely a water gun involved, that is one of the most terrible bars ever, and the girl in question started bawling.  That about sums up my investigation.
Ohh, and some oblivious dude rolls by dancing at the end.  That definitely happened too.

LouGroza's picture

After watching the video, Mindy Drayer must be a psychic. That video is as inconclusive as it could possibly be. She definitely took a swing at him and after that it is completely impossible to tell what Hyde did. 

Chief B1G Dump's picture

Mindy Drayer need to resign right now...

BUCKfutter's picture

Where are the speech bubbles where Hyde says something threatening?
 
In all seriousness that kind of speculation has no place in "news".

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kdizzleduzit's picture

That video makes me feel very uncomfortable.  That one creep shining lights on girls asses, pointing them out like he is trying to get his nightly catch.  yikes

skid21's picture

I can understand men watching women but that video gives meat markets a bad name. Reminds me of that old game Leisure Suit Larry.

GeorgiaBuckeye2114's picture

Video is too blurry to tell anything IMO

SaltyD0gg's picture

Just for argument's sake, before we determine if we can conclusively determine if Hyde did anything, can anyone conclusively say that actually IS Hyde?

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BuckeyePoetLaureate's picture

The main thing I learned from the video is that I'm glad I'm not a "club" guy.  That looks horrible.
It is hard to tell if she made contact, but it looks as though she slapped him.  That's not cool; you're not supposed to hit people.  It seems pretty clear that he didn't hit her; it looks like he did that shoulder-flaring move people do to make someone back off.  (Am I wrong?)  Then it looks like he told some bouncer "hey, she hit me" or something, then one of her friends came over and hugged her as another bouncer went to find Hyde.

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Chief B1G Dump's picture

Just watched the video as well.  Def cannot tell if either made contact but regardless it looks to me like he took a cheap swipe in her direction.  I would say he gets 2-4 games for this BS.

 

wojodta's picture

If he did touch her, he must have barely made contact. Anything more than a 2 game suspension for this seems like it would be pretty harsh.

BucksfanXC's picture

Yeah, he lashed out back in anger of getting hit or swung on. Not the best reaction. He is gonna need to be punished for this. Not acceptable response.
AND, if I'm Urban, I want him to tell me what he said in the first place to make her want to punch at him. 2-4 games and make him work his way back into good graces.
EDIT: Looks like he flips her the double birds before he walks away. He's gonna deserve some punishment for sure. He was out of line, probably drunk. Not saying I haven't done worse in my life, just he has to take responsibility.

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Bucks's picture

Going to guess a 2 game suspension as well (could *possibly* see suspension until B1G opener, but I doubt it). Probably something additional from Urban focusing on battered women. Short leash.
In any event, just hope we hear from Urban so it can be put to rest. Has taken way too much attention away from the team. Ready for camp to start!

almurray10's picture

I feel that with this video, if I'm someone trying to make a judgment on it, whether that's CPD, Urban, or a Media Critic, there's just no way I can make an honest/accurate call on what actually happened.
I can see Urban giving Hyde a small punishment for putting himself in this situation in the first place, but I just can't see a huge punishment coming from this anymore. Far too inconclusive.

Poison nuts's picture

Agreed. If I was to try to judge, I would say that what he did was more of a push back after being swung at & I say that without scarlet glasses on. That's what I see. Either way, it's very inconclusive & if a punishment is handed out I would think it would mainly be for using poor judgment. That said, with the current shit storm of media criticism, I believe UFM will likely make the punishment more harsh than it even probably should be in an attempt to keep the wolves at bay - which won't work. It's a no-win for all parties.

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RBuck's picture

Apparently, the staff/bouncers didn't think it was a big deal.

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Baroclinicity's picture

My opinion is 1 game.  Definitely should have just walked away from a half hearted attempt at a strike from the girl. 
To me it looks like he scoots out of there quickly like he knew instantly he shouldn't have done that.

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FROMTHE18's picture

Heres a question: If Hyde is kicked off the team (remember, hypothetically speaking) what is everyone's reaction?

wojodta's picture

I'd be pissed because it seems like nothing really happened here. I'd be shocked if that actually occurred though. I trust Urban.

Chief B1G Dump's picture

Amongst friends and Buckeye fans, I would be mad/disappointed/embarrassed about the whole situation.  It would suck.  Yet, I would still be holding out hope that some young gun in our stables of backs kicks a$$ this year.
Outwardly towards the national media and and M*ch fan friends, I would say that Urban learned from Fla and is a new man here.  Don't ever bash our coach again, etc....He did what he thought was best and that he made a judgment without factoring in athletic ability or value to the team.
 

skid21's picture

As we say in recruiting all the time...trust Urban. If he kicks him off the team then I would assume he knows more than we do about the situation (as with Gardner).

Olentangy's picture

am i the only person who cant seem to see anything here? whats the timestamp when the 'swing' occurs?

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kdizzleduzit's picture

3:00 up on the stage

Baroclinicity's picture

3:10 or so.  Approx.

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Squirrel Master's picture

around 3:11. He takes a step back down after doing something like pointing a finger at her, she swings and he blocks. I really think it was a BS report and I have seen worst all the time at these places. I can go out tonight, on a Tuesday and see that happen 2-3 times. She really didn't need to do this.

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RedStorm45's picture

10tv.com has it down to a 1:30 so you can see it pretty quickly.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Yeah, but in that version you miss out on so much of the backstory...and squirtguns...and flashlights...and dancing...

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Goalscorer9's picture

interesting: look at the girl's reaction directly next to them watching the incident. Flinch, then hand to the mouth.

bucktooth's picture

To me it looks like he blocks with the left, slaps with the right.  Lightly.  One game seems right to me, just on principle.  Also, attention lil guy with cross tattoo, don't wear a tank top.  No one is impressed with your small arms or your cross tattoo.
 
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AC1972's picture

I don't think he even slapped her, looked like he kind of pushed her away, like "get outta here!"
Regardless, El Guapo should have just walked away.  Dumb, ego-driven decision.

Squirrel Master's picture

To see it well enough, you have to blow it up to full screen view and really take a look.
He was talking with her and she basically gave him an answer that made him start to walk away. He was about 2 steps down when he turns around probably because she said something and when he turns around she slaps at him. It looks close enough to say that even if she didn't hit him she can't say she didn't intend to. That was a swing!
The push is hard to tell but I think she was going to swing again when he pushed her because it looked like it was kind of a push on her arm/shoulder. Kind of like Get off me! I really don't see any reason to suspend him unless Urban really wants to make a point that even something as innocent as that should be avoided.
In regards to the Lebron James playoff rule, if she doesn't hit the floor then it doesn't warrant an ejection!

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BED's picture

I think she was going to swing again when he pushed her because it looked like it was kind of a push on her arm/shoulder.

I saw the same.  Impossible to tell. 1 or 2 game suspension on principle, IMO.

 

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Squirrel Master's picture

I do crack up that there must have been at least 5 different guys "come to her rescue" afterwards. She was so eating it up. I don't doubt she was shaken up by the whole mess but she wasn't innocent by any means. He went to walk away and she swung. Not a reason for anything he might have done but she didn't have to take a swing at him either.

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RedStorm45's picture

"Tuesday, Columbus police said charges would not be filed against Hyde because the woman said she did not want to pursue charges."
Uh, couldn't CPD still file charges whether or not she wanted to? Obviously they have taken statements and have a sketchy video so maybe they would need her to testify.

Jack Fu's picture

The police or prosecutors office could if they wanted to. They generally don't if the alleged victim is uncooperative or otherwise doesn't want the crime charged, as I believe someone else said upthread.
She may decide to file a civil suit at some point in the future (even that seems like a longshot at this point), but I'd peg the chances of Hyde getting charged with a crime out of this incident at less than 1%. Doesn't mean he won't get suspended. Up to Urbz.

wmbuckeye557's picture

Since there is a video of this incident. I would say that there is a lack of evidence or they would have pressed charges. This case is to high profile not too.  My guess is that she was told this a double assault case. If she pressed charges Hyde could also. I deal with almost daily.

Stinson's picture

What I don't understand is how anyone could have POSSIBLY said,
 
"I was there. He knocked her out."
 
I mean... yeah.

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yrro's picture

If she were a dude that would be assault. Women shouldn't have this idea that they can just hit guys for whatever reason they want, no matter what he said to her.
Just from the weight shift, though, looks to me like he went back to shove her in retaliation, not self defense.
I think it's bullpucky this even made it to criminal complaint stage. I won't be surprised if he misses the opener for poor decision making, but I will not be happy at all if he gets kicked off the team or misses more than two games.
Edit: Don't mean to say that all or even most women feel this way, but some do, and apparently this one did, given that she hit him first and then filed an assault complaint.
 

BuckeyePoetLaureate's picture

I'm not sure Mindy Drayer watched the same tape.  How is she so unsure if the woman made contact, but 100% sure that Hyde did?

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741's picture

That is actually a fair statement. I can only imagine she was influenced by the girl's reaction, and those around her consoling her, after Hyde's attempt (whether "successful" or not) to tag her back.
I'm of the opinion as we speak that Urban may need to make an example of Hype as a matter of principle - i.e., whether Hyde actually connected or not, the intent was not respectful towards this woman.
In my humble opinion, if these were just two citizens, this would never, ever, ever see the inside of a courtroom or any page of a newspaper or website!

BME_Buckeye's picture

Wow. All the suspense over this video just for that. The media was making this out to be worst than something it was. Hyde should still get suspended for a few games. 

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

davmoe11's picture

It seems to me he flips her off with both hands, which sets her off but it becomes unclear at that point.

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IBleedSandG's picture

Lol, I just watched the video like 4 times, and didn't notice that. I guess I was too focused on the slapping.
You can't tell if 'Los hit her, and unless there is additional video from another angle, I don't see his suspension being more than 2 games.

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Scarlet_Buckeye's picture

Idk why everyone is so surprised about the video being blurry.  Did they miss the part when the reports broke that people had actually viewed the tape and commented "it's hard to tell" or "the tape isn't clear" or "the tape is kinda blurry".  What were you people expecting... Avatar quality?
Here were my thoughts...
Admittedly, I did not watch the WHOLE 5 minutes, rather, I skipped to about the 2:45 min mark.  Now, unless something happened BEFORE then, it looks to me like Hyde CLEARLY seeks the girl out.  This is disappointing to me, because from all the initial reports I had read, the girl was the first one who initiated contact.
Now... there's no qualms about it, the girl definitely takes the first swipe at Hyde.  Tough to say whether she made contact or not, but she definitely swung first.
Lastly, I'm disappointed in Hyde, because you can definitely tell he does reach back for what appears to be nothing more than a SLAP.  Not a bitch slap... not a love tap... but a slap.  Not too hard, not too gentle.  And then Hyde quickly runs away faster than Carmelo Anthony trying to partake in a fight.  SMH.  Why'd you have to slap her, Hyde?  So the dumb bitty swung on you... let it go man.  You're the starting tailback for THE Ohio State University.  Let it slide, bro.  Walk away!  And then none of this is even an issue.
I think Hyde still gets suspended.  I see about a 1-2 game suspension coming; certainly no more than 4 games.
Gotta imagine Urban is thinking pretty much the same exact sentiments right about now...
 

Northbrook's picture

Everyone isn't surprised.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Ramzy is killing it:

stittracer99's picture

This is hilarious. The first thing that popped into my head when watching this video was "who's the tool with the cross tattoo on his arm?" because he looked to be obnoxious before the incident even occurred. Then when the "slap heard 'round the world" happened, he was acting like Hyde just set her on fire. Seems to me like a typical 2 AM bar scene where everything gets blown out of proportion. That being said, Hyde is definitely gonna have a seat for a few games as he should. Have to make better decisions.

Alice in Aggieland's picture

Gob Bluth called; he wants his "Girls With Low Self-Esteem" tape back.
Seriously. This is like watching someone play The Sims.

Cincinnati Mac's picture

CMON! Like the guy in the 5000 dollar suit is gonna slap some drunk skank.
 
CMON!

jeffz23's picture

Way out of line. What does everyone think he said to her that made her flip out and tried to slap him? He points right in her face and says something that caused that reaction. Then he
hit / tapped / whatever.
Trying to get this chick to come to VIP cause his boy kept pointing at her to come down, and when she says no you cuss her out is just junk
 
4 games IMO

Scarlet_Buckeye's picture

That's a lot of inferring for not knowing a single word that may or may not have been said.  #JudgeMuch?

gobucks96's picture

So, am I to get excited that Hyde didn't punch the girl and he is going to be cleared our not?

RedStorm45's picture

MINDY'S DIAGRAM WAS HORRIBLE
 
Like everyone has said, can't really see much.  He looks more like he's trying to get her off of him after swinging at him as he was walking down the stairs, but no idea if actual contact was made either way.

OSUStu's picture

This boils down to: A man needs to walk away in that situation.  Hyde didn't.

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BuckeyePoetLaureate's picture

And we all need to remember what we were told in Kindergarten: we keep our hands to ourselves and sticks and stones.

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Squirrel Master's picture

He was walking away. She swung at him as he took steps away and down the stairs. He should have kept walking away but outside of possible keeping her from swinging again he pushed then finished walking away.

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MichiganBuckeye222's picture

A real man NEVER hits a woman.  I don't care if he is my quarterback, running back or my son....swift punishment for Carlos is deserved.  HE SHOULD have kept his emotions in check.  Tat is what being an adult is about...and if you guys can't see that, you are too clouded by your love of the game.....much like PSU administrators tried to justify the crap that was going on there.  If my son had hit the girl in anger, I'd whoop his ass.

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Squirrel Master's picture

He pushed her as she was swinging at him. I wouldn't consider this hitting a woman. and don't even think he was angry at all. He was walking away when she confronted him.
and come on dude! can't even compare this to the PSU incident. Get real! Hyde pushing off a girl who is swinging at him isn't even close to a pedophile attacking children on campus with the whole program knowing about it. Seriously?

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yrro's picture

If he hauled back and punched her in the face I'd agree with you. He didn't though - he gave her kind of a rough stiff arm to keep her away from him. Shoving a girl away who is actively attacking you is a lot different from hitting one.

buckeyes33's picture

The fact that he didn't keep walking away regardless of if she hit him on his way off the stage or not is what will ultimately cost him playing time. I would imagine significant time as well. The fact that you think he was somehow defending himself as a 240lb male athlete is shameful. YOU CANT PUT HANDS ON A WOMAN.
Especially after all the undeserved scrutiny on this program already, just saddens me to see this type of behavior from a senior whether he hit back or not he retaliated.

Squirrel Master's picture

he didn't retaliate. He pushed her off as she was about to swing a 2nd time at him. That is a far cry from hitting a woman and/or put hands on a woman. If anything was swinging at you, you push them off.
I don't care how big he is and how small she might be, have you seen a woman when she is pissed and swinging? let me ask you this, are you married? because a woman who is angry, and he wasn't angry at all, she can land some hard hits and do some damage. To say a 240 lb male athlete couldn't feel a hit from her is ignorant! Someone hits you, you would feel it. Especially if she did indeed land on his face. She put her arm up about to swing again and he pushed her away, then walked away.
I can't believe you think she is an innocent bystander. He was walking away and she attacked him. He was 2 steps away from her, 1 down the stairs.

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buckeyes33's picture

Size has nothing to do with this, it has to do with a grown man slapping a female in retaliation. He could have have easily turned away and walked out the door. 
What does marriage have to do with this? 

LadyBuck's picture

I think the point he was trying to make was that a grown man was not actually hitting a woman, he was trying to separate himself from the situation. However, since she was in mid-swing, he ended up pushing her away versus keeping distance.

bhardy22132's picture

You hit me you better believe I'm gonna hit you back. No if ands or buts about it.

wojodta's picture

he didn't hit her though. unless our definitions of hit are totally different.

OSUStu's picture

I didn't say he hit her.  He did not need to physically react to 120 pound(ish) girl taking a swipe at him.  Whatever she did, it sure didn't hurt him.  He just needed to leave the area and in a hurry.

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yrro's picture

I've had a 110 lb girl with no training hit me upside the head hard enough to make my ears ring because of a smartass comment I made. Your average girl can punch hard enough to break your sternum if she puts her weight behind it. Girls aren't harmless.

OSUStu's picture

Well, I have also been hit by a girl and it didn't hurt.  But that wasn't my point, my point was that Hyde was obviously not injured or stunned by the blow.  So, he was capable of leaving and should have done so without retaliation.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

wojodta's picture

Sorry. I was responding to michiganbuck.

BuckeyePoetLaureate's picture

I can't help but point out that the 120-poundish girl shouldn't have taken a swipe at him, whether or not it hurt him.  Nor should he have hit her.  (His response isn't 100% clear.)  And he does seem to have left the area and in a hurry.

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Scarlet_Buckeye's picture

Agreed,  A "slap" =/= a "hit".
While a "slap" isn't good, it certainly is better than a "hit" (unless we're talking baseball).

Maestro's picture

All I can say is I pray for my daughter to never be one of those girls on the stage.
She certainly throws the first "whatever you will call it" and he responds with a "whatever you will call it".
He'll get suspended for a couple of games for retaliating, but I think both parties would be best served with moving on with life in terms of criminal proceedings.

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AeroBuckeye2001's picture

He's walking away, and would have kept walking away had she not swung on him. He turns around and motions towards her. Looked like a fake slap or push/mush to me, but can't tell if he even makes contact. I can't believe how overblown this whole thing has become. He'll get a suspension, but I think it's BS.

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HighBallAce's picture

Where is the guy on the grassy knoll?

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

There has to be some sort of wolverine conspiracy here. 

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Jack Fu's picture

Badgeman? He's there, you just have to have someone draw his outline so you can see him.

HighBallAce's picture

Her wrist traveled in a northerly direction. Just breezing by his left ear as it came into contact with Carlos' head. At which time her knee extended from the south, traveling in a northerly direction, forcing Carlos' left hand to extend in a straight line eastern direction which then traveled in a western direction making slight contact with her cheek.....You do the hokey pokey and your turn yourself about!.....lol

droessl's picture

As others have said, the first move by Hyde was a defensive one, looked like he was trying to block another slap coming in. However, after he took a step down, he went back and APPEARED to slap/hit/contact a female out of anger. Certainly didn't look like a punch, and it didn't appear to be thrown strong, just more out of frustration than anything.  Either way, not a good look. I'd guess ~2 games. 

harleymanjax's picture

MY TWO CENTS...........
Looks to me like his buddy wanted her number but was too shy to ask for it himself, so Hyde goes up and speaks to her for a few seconds, he seemed to be speaking to her politely and when he turns to walk away SHE LUNGES AT HIM AND TAKES A SWING AT HIM! (insert Anchorman that escalated quickly meme here!)
Hyde retaliates by appearing to shove at her with his left hand, he does not rear back and cock his arm back to unload on her, he merely brushes her away! He goes back down the stairs and she proceeds to act like a drama queen for being in the middle of all the drama that SHE caused! 
I would say extra time with Coach Mick and some community service work is all he deserves, but in this era of the PC Police being out of control he will probably miss 1-2 games!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

cal3713's picture

I agree with all of this, except that it doesn't really look like she's "acting" when she's crying.  I'd bet he called her a c*** and she lost her shit, resulting in the hit, and starting the tears.

skid21's picture

You and the NBC reporter have a lot in common. You can tell he is "speaking to her politely" from that video?

harleymanjax's picture

Yes I can read BODY LANGUAGE!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

BrewstersMillions's picture

Meyer will be without the services of El Guapo for the first game or two is my best guess-which will of course generate the obvious, butt hurt filled responses that the games he sits Hyde out for don't matter. Some hair brained analyst will say Meyer should suspend him for Northwestern and Michigan or something.
Then everyone will continue to build the narative that Urban Meyer is a modern day Henry Morgan, sailing around pillaging people without fear of legal recourse sending the Meyer induced butt hurt levels into the stratosphere that will ultimately force the big three of Hayes, Bianchi, and Travis to literally fall all over themselves in an attempt to get the first rabid, anti-Meyer piece on the air waves err...net waves. I'd venture a guess that all three will call Hyde a domestic abuser. The obvious comparisons to the Storm Klein case will be made right around the time Hyde comes back. At that point, OSU will be firing on all cylinders, creating even more fake rage towards Ohio State that will sustain itself until late November when OSU stands unbeaten before the B1G Title game at which point people will be begging and praying that OSU gets knocked off so "justice can be served". Now of course this won't happen and OSU will draw SEC Team De Jour and for 40 some days we will have to hear how OSU is over matched, will get destroyed, and all will be right with the world-until it isn't and Urban Meyer hoists a crystal football above his head despite the millions at home booing him loudly.
We live in a cruel world and despite our large numbers, OSU fans are a minority of people. Because of that fact alone, more people will have to suffer than celebrate and nothing-not even another SEC win-would enrage more football fans than OSU winning it all after this off season.
Forget the fact that they are the better team...OSU is going to win because a lot of people need to suffer.
I can't bloody wait.....

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Forget the fact that they are the better team...OSU is going to win because a lot of people need to suffer.

 
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Northbrook's picture

Nice. Got my upvote

tennbuckeye19's picture

Just wait till Oliver Stone gets his hands on this story...

gobucks96's picture

That whole scene was messed up...
The only thing I see clearly out of that is Carlos Hyde will never be the middle man for his buddies ever again.. For his benefit and everyone else's..

Cincinnati Mac's picture

Back and to the left.

teddyballgame's picture

Damn you Keith Hernandez...

House804's picture

First off,  what kind of bar is this?  It looks like more like a club.  A shitty, shitty club.  Why are people wearing either no shirts and/or wife beaters? It looks like people are in pool attire.
I can't even concentrate on El Guapo because I'm so confused.
It's practically nothing, which is why there is so much controversy, but he will get suspended 1-2 games, people will say Urban promotes violence against women, it will go on and on, until we win the ship and everyone shuts the hell up about TOSU.

We talkin' bout practice?!  Not the game I love...the game I die for.  Practice?!

denner's picture

Back and to the left.
Back and to the left.
Back and to the left.
 
2 games max IMO.    Hope Meyer makes the decision soon so this can be put to rest
and I can worry about the Roby charges full time.
 
 
 

AeroBuckeye2001's picture

This will get analyzed more than the Zapruder film. Which is sad, because had it been one of those other random bros, this would be a non issue entirely.
So much Abercrombie in this video, thank god I'm done with that scene.

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BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

ScarletNGrey01's picture

Hmmm ... hard to tell.  I have a 20 year old daughter who does some modeling, so she gets hit on a lot, I would be really PO'd if a football player smacked her.  From the video it looks like a very mild motion, brushing at her face or a "short" slap, certainly did not cock his hand back.  If she had a cell phone shot of a bruise or a really red face that would be one thing.  I'm a biased buckeye fan but also a protective father ... this looks to be much ado about nothing however.  Coaches spend a lot of time analyzing game film, will be interesting to see how they break this down LOL.

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BUCKfutter's picture

my reaction after watching

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

AndyVance's picture

Look, this may be the wrong way to look at this, but I'm not sure exactly WHAT Urban Meyer would be punishing if/when he suspends Hyde. Carlos made a visceral reaction to aggression; while we may be trained NEVER to hit a woman, he clearly wasn't trying to cold-cock her.
So, if he suspends him based on a natural impulse-driven reaction, you're saying that nature/evolution has failed us in the fight/flight response mechanism. If he suspends him based on public/media pressure, what does that teach Carlos? "Sorry kid, you're screwed because Clay Travis doesn't like me."
AND, if he suspends him because he put himself in the situation to get in this mess in the first place, you're effectively telling young female co-eds that an allegation of impropriety is enough to potentially derail a player's season/career. I shudder to think what that information might do in the hands of an unscrupulous scorned ex-girlfriend or, as the kids call them, "Jersey Chaser."
Bad precedent, if you ask me.

tennbuckeye19's picture

I envy Urban for a lot of things, but not when it comes to having to make decisions like this.

Poison nuts's picture

Agreed.

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skid21's picture

Yep, if he kicks him off the team or has more than a 2 or 3 game suspension a lot of Buckeye fans are going to have to backtrack on their opinions or appear to not support Urban. If he doesn't a lot of media types will use the opportunity to further paint him as a win at all cost coach. Hyde has to accept the blame here. He should have known the position he was in and what such behavior would bring upon his coach.

AndyVance's picture

In all seriousness, this reminds me of the final scene of my favorite move, A Few Good Men. The court acquits LCpl Dawson and Pvt Downey of murder, but they still convict them of Conduct Unbecoming and dicharge them from the Corps.
Dawson, in one of the most poignant moments of the film, accepts the decision handed down and explains it to a bewildered Downey, who has just exclaimed, "But we did nothing wrong! What did we do wrong?"

Olemissbuckeye's picture

Great movie. The full charge was "conduct unbecoming a Marine" under what I think was called Article 135, but of course no such article exists under the UCMJ. In the real world conduct unbecoming under Art. 133 is a catch all for officers and midshipmen, so Dawson and Downey would not have been charged with that offense.
/JAG'd
But seriously, Hyde should get something for his conduct IMO. 

Fugelere's picture

So sorry, sausage fingers+iPhone= accidental DV.  Can someone help me out?

GV9's picture

My opinion is that Hyde will punished for putting himself into that situation in the first place, then not just walking away once it escalated (by her) into something physical.  

LOVEITORLEAVEIT's picture

Does anyone know who the guy in the sleeveless shirt standing against the wall is? He points the girl out to Hyde at the 2:24 mark and Hyde tries to talk to her for him...

RoyMunson's picture

Did that girl text in her statement from Jamaica?
 
Sentence structure: Oy.

skid21's picture

I'm pissed at Hyde for putting Urban in this situation. Wasn't it these situations, at least in part, which led to him getting so burnt out before? I seriously don't care if the girl swung at him first he should have just walked away. What male among us has not at least been slapped by a woman before and managed to keep our cool? While I don't think he deserves to be booted I am still pissed that he created this situation and now Urban has to justify whatever decision he makes. He can't win with a rabid fanbase and media hacks out for blood. He should never have to make these kind of decisions due to poor behavior by his players.

zjhousley's picture

he will get at least 2 games!! When it comes to hitting and abusing women, Meyer dont mess around!!

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Looks to me like he was going to retaliate, and about halfway through, thought better of it, ended up with whatever love tap/brush/light shove if he even made contact, and walked off.  I'd make him spend some extra time with Coach Mick.  I'm not sure if he should get suspended at all...maybe 1 game tops for just not walking away immediately.

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BucksfanXC's picture

Guys, it shouldn't matter if he made actual contact. Even if he "tried" to hit her, that counts for something. He was lashing out at her after being hit, yes. Still, seems to me he could and should have walked away. And it is clear he flipped her off to make her want to punch him int the first place. He deserves to be punished. I'd be fine with 2 games or more, I'm not sure he deserves a whole season/college career to end over this.

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Squirrel Master's picture

Trying to hit and actually hitting are two different things. Come on! that has to be the worst argument. Whether or not she had reason to swing at him doesn't make her innocent and whether he actually hit her does matter. Incidents like the video happens very often in clubs, which is why he shouldn't have been there in the first place, but it is hardly worth a police report and reprimand. The police probably just want this to go away because they probably think this is just as ridiculous as the rest of us.

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BucksfanXC's picture

I didn't mean to say it completely doesn't matter, yes there is plenty of difference (legally, criminal charges, civil damages, etc.). What I meant, to clarify a little, is it won't matter much after watching the video, and no criminal charges, to Urban's decision. So Urban isn't gonna care much if his slap/face push/half-slap motion/whatever you wanna call it, landed hard or missed or grazed her. He's gonna see what we all just saw, that he swung at her in some, however small and retaliatory fashion and to him, it won't matter much whether he actually connected.
I completely understand the multiple reasons this wasn't worth criminal charges: 1) sketchy evidence, including a flat contradictory initial report by the victim, 2) victim has mixed up story, is underage and is the initial aggressor so she clearly doesn't want to press charges, and 3) this was nothing criminally to even waste the time and money on to prosecute.

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ih8rolltyde's picture

I'm not very old at all, but this entire situation seems to be a product of our now-centered society. So much, get it quick rumor-mongering, little to no journalistic integrity. Been said before, kudos to the 11W staff for keeping it pro style.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I watched it hooked up to a large high def screen and I can't tell what happened actually... I have no idea what Urban is going to do about it... he has to give out a couple of games for the stupidity factor and the embarrassment it has caused! 

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ChazBuckeye's picture

One game (if that) for Hyde. One or two games tops for Roby. Nothing to get worried about with the cupcakes OSU is playing in games 1-4. OSU's offense will have no problem with these teams.

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tennbuckeye19's picture

I'm still wondering if diversity is a joke...

EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I'm guessing Meyer's mantra during his conversation with Carlos will be, "I'm less concerned with her role in this than yours."
I think it will be two games and we'll find out sooner rather than later; the length and on-again-off-again nature of the way it has been reported has now dragged it through the mud twice. As an old principal of mine used to say, "You can do wrong, you just can't stay wrong" and Meyer needs to see his program shown in a more flattering light.

Toilrt Paper's picture

I wouldn't want to talk to the police if I was any of the girls in that meat market.

TWCBUCKEYE's picture

Holy lord that is what all the fuss is over. Talk about blowing a situation out of proportion. Guapo put your pads on and go win a National Championship for all your haters! Lets play some Football!

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jaxbuckeye's picture

This is nothing.  That kind of crap goes on ALL the time in clubs.  Alcohol is flowing.  He's feeling like every woman's dream.  She's drunk so she she's combative and makes EVERYTHING a big deal.  Her girls feed into it by also being dramatic.  However, because of all the publicity it essentially forces Urban's hand.  I am seeing a couple games.

BtownBuckeye's picture

How can anyone make an assumption that there was contact made? You cant even tell if thats Carlos. That being said I think his actions will result in some type of suspension because he cleary intended to make contact with her

harleymanjax's picture

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...............

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

stechs02's picture

I blew this up on my computer and watched it 20+ times. I went to the section of the altercation and started and paused as quickly as I could so I could watch in slow motion how this played out. IMO it looks like she did make contact with him (he may have blocked it), then he lunged at her and made contact (looked like a punching motion more than a slapping motion IMO). She actually swung at him a second time as he made contact with her. What worries me is watching her body...after he lunges at her to make contact, her body is instantly spun around and her head goes down towards her legs. If you look at her legs after the altercation, it does appear that they are gimpy and she is in need of help to stand. This whole thing makes me sick! Love Carlos, but he should have never even lunged at her. Yes. we can all conclude that he missed her, it was self defense, and so on but it's a women we are talking about and the fact he lunged at her (in whatever mannor he made contact doesn't matter to me) is enough evidence if I'm Urban. It pains me to say it, but football aside that is my opinion. I would lose respect for anybody in that video (OSU athlete or not).

AndyVance's picture

My hat's off to anyone who watched this video more than once... I was on the verge of an epileptic seizure from watching it once, and I don't even have epilepsy.

harleymanjax's picture

I watched it quite a few times...........and now if you will excuse me I think I have to go take a shower!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

stechs02's picture

I only watched the 5 second part of the altercation. The rest of the video gave me a head ache. It's really hard to tell what actually went on, but that's what I saw with my non-Buckeye hat on. I was reading some tweets that people can clearly see he reached out with his palm (which indicated a slap) which already discredits my opinion.

northwest_buckeye's picture

 
Ok... Here's what the video shows: She took a poke at him, and may or may not have made contact. As a defense mechanism, he tried to push her away, and may or may not have made contact. End of story. Anyone that claims to see anything else has:

A.) An Agenda
B.) Extreme Bias
C.) Shit For Brains
D.) All Of The Above

(Hint, ESPN has at least two. Thus, by rational deduction...)

I've never said I 'hate' anyone because that would imply I had any emotion for them whatsoever.

achillesx's picture

The bad part for Urban is that no matter what he decides, there's a troll somewhere with his butt still hurting that is going to slay him for the decision he makes (no games, probation, 1 game, 2 games, etc.). He won't win. 
Oh well. I won't be clicking on any links to their inconsequential jumble of words that carry no journalistic credibility.

BTwrestle04's picture

Right when the whole incident is about to go down, look to the left at the bro's. One of them slaps a girl on the ass. I would love to hear the conversation between those two with what transpired afterwards.

JKH1232's picture

So, I guess this proves Oswald didn't act alone, as far as I can tell. 

tennbuckeye19's picture

Anybody else worried this video is just like The Ring? If so, we're all totally screwed. Just don't answer your phones.

harleymanjax's picture

It was a genius plot by Hoke to spread a virus through Ohio and eventually to Urban's computer where he would gain access to all of his secrets! As well as any secret fried chicken recipes in the State!

 

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Damn - if Zack Boren was still around he'd have created enough of a gap to keep Hyde from getting touched as he made his way through the dance floor.................

avail31678's picture

Ladies and gents, it's very clear that the offseason has not treated us well recently.  However, I have a solution:
YEAR-ROUND COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!!

Boomcat's picture

If Urban's rage against Carlos had cooled, I think this is just some extreme Micky time. If Urban acts out of his emotions then I think this is a pretty significant suspension. IMO from what the video shows, this has been blown way out of proportion. Hard to tell anything from the video but I don't think Hyde went for the knockout. The reporting on this has just been plain stupid. 
Now on to Roby.

avail31678's picture

Also - hey, why'd ya feel the need to give a public statement that everyone will hear?  Why not just call the police and say "I'm not filing charges"?
Look, Carlos didn't react well.  This is so minor and stupid though. 
I think he's gotta miss a couple or a few games.  The trouble is - as far as the world is concerned - does he start in the B1G opener versus our biggest rival in our division?  I think he should, but the world won't.  I say you have to at least suspend him through the Cal game, which one could argue is at least a "tough " road game. 

Buckeye1996's picture

I argue that Urbs should give punishment equal to what he feels is necessary, and forget about all the blow hard media yackers. Why? Because no matter what Urbs does, they will not be satisfied.
 
 

avail31678's picture

Good point.  Although it's out now that it's a 3-game min suspension - whatever it was, there's very likely going to be backlash for Urban that he didn't do enough. 
I agree - do what you gotta do Urbz - we trust you.

AndyVance's picture

Regardless of all the speculation on the video, Gigi Meyer has spoken:

She was responding, in part, to this Desmond Howard tweet:

Buckeye1996's picture

Ha ha. Desmond Howard's ass... please meet Gigi's foot...lol.

skid21's picture

The Torg was right. When will we ever be rid of this idiot? Did he have an opinion on the Clark arrest?
BTW she deleted that tweet. I'm sure her dad didn't appreciate it although we might have.

AndyVance's picture

I was surprised she tweeted it in the first place, actually, so I'm not at all surprised it's gone now.

avail31678's picture

Thanks for the thought Desmond....Hmm...let's see...if I was that girl's father (and I have 4 of my own), I'd be more worried about my own. 
Whatcha doin' in a bar dressed like that and dancin like that when you're 19?
I know - culture and times change, but my first thought AS A FATHER (talking to you Desmond) would be wanting my daughter to make the best possible choices.  Not filing semi-false police reports after swinging at someone else first.
Disclaimer: I don't know what Carlos said to her.  Could have been totally disrespectful - but again, go to a bar at 2:00 AM? = expect possible disrespectful people.
Disclaimer #2:  If I was Carlos' father (or coach) I'd be having very similar feelings.
 
I'm not anti-drinking or super-conservative.  But Carlos is there with a bunch of guys acting like hyenas, and this girl was there all cute, then swinging at a big boy she had no business swinging at.  Neither was acting or thinking particularly responsibly.
Regardless....STFU Desmond and mind your business.
 

CowCat's picture

I've looked at the video about 30 times.
As best as I can tell, they both made contact.
It doesn't appear Carlos hit her face though.   She was already leaning back away from him.   It looks like he reaches out and hits or shoves her right shoulder, making her rotate to her left.
Even in the best case, he's in Urban's doghouse.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

Olemissbuckeye's picture

Concur. I couldn't say with 100% certainty but based on his body positioning, his reach, her positioning, the reactions of the girls around her as well as Hyde's reaction, I'm pretty confident he made physical contact.

Toilrt Paper's picture

I assume I'm looking at the same video you are. There is NO WAY I would bet anything that I was 100% sure either or both made any contact.
The only thing I am 100% sure about is if my daughter was one of those girls on that meat market stage shaking her ass at all of those horny guys, she would be on the way to a convent.

collisionbend's picture

Wait a minute. Just back the truck up a sec, OK?
She's 19? She's 19 and in a bar? I see a whole raft of problems with this, as legal drinking age in Ohio is 21...
I apologize for the interruption; I just thought this one, small, cogent fact needed to be pointed out. Thank you for your indulgence.
You may now return to your regularly-scheduled discussion.

"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell

 
Bucks's picture

18+ location.

collisionbend's picture

Oh. Haven't spent drinking time in Cbus for a long time; thanks for that info. So they're not serving alcohol, then?
One other point: it doesn't look, to me at least, as if he is trying to do damage in this video. If he did, his posture would be totally different - not that this makes hitting another person acceptable - it doesn't. His size, strength, and speed are a potentially lethal combination when used against an unprepared person.
I don't think he intended to hurt anyone with that swing - which hopefully will be a mitigating circumstance in his punishment.

"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell

 
Jeeves's picture

There should be a way for the bartenders and wait staff to differentiate between the over 21s and under 21s. I know when there are rock shows at the Newport they put wrist bands on you if you are allowed to drink. This place must use hand stamps because I cannot see wrist bands.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I have watched this video about 10 times and I cannot see if she or he actually connects!  I do envy Urban at this point in time!!!
That video is a bit creepy to watch...

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Colorado Johnny's picture

You cannot touch a woman. Not ever.

Jeeves's picture

Then where do babies come from?

harleymanjax's picture

I touch one as often as I can!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

bhardy22132's picture

You step up like that then sometimes you gotta be ready for the reaction. I'm sorry but you being a girl does not give you free range to swing on dudes. 

Brutus's picture

I've watched the video a few times and have concluded the following: Thank god I'm 40 and married with 3 kids and never have to hang out in a place with a bunch of drunk 20-something douchey dudes and douchey girls.  My middle-age suburban lifestyle never felt so good.
Apologies to the 20-something douche contingent on 11W.

Buckeye1996's picture

Ha! I can totally relate and I agree 1000% especially since I'm in the same age range as you.

BigBuck623's picture

The insane part about this story.. it's a glorified Upper Arlington slap fight.  There is no point, and it was started by a woman.

BUCKfutter's picture

hahaha try having a slap fight with simon fraser or timmy schafer dude 

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

Colorado Johnny's picture

I think Urbz has to suspend him for a significant amount of time. If not cut him. If he indeed made contact.

teddyballgame's picture

That whole thing looked pretty pathetic.  Hopefully they both learned to keep their hands to themselves...you're adults now...there are consequences for everything. 
Seems reasonable to think Hyde will miss a few games. 

Becool12's picture

The video looks kinda funny to me. Especially around the time where he hit her. You can't really see the swing or the hit. It looks like that was edited out, but you can see her friends reactions. But, by the way he lifted his arm it doesn't look like he went Pacman Jones on her. It look like a little shove. I don't see this as assault or even close to assault. She should have kept her hand off of him and he has to be smarter about this. I think he should miss at least 3 games just to prove a point. 

blueinsconsin's picture

Shouldn't matter if he actually made contact with the girl.  He swung at her, that's all the matters.  Don't put yourself in stupid situations and stupid stuff won't happen.  Johnny Football and every other college athlete should pay attention.

Not here to troll...Go Blue

Knarcisi's picture

Understood his might be an unpopular comment, but here goes. I'm not sure why we are celebrating and only thinking a 2 game suspension. Charges or not, he clearly reacted and struck the girl with some force, or at least attempted to. If Meyer stands by his "respect women" policy, he could come down heavy on him. 

741's picture

I read all of your posts and I am appalled that not one of you commented on the douchebag with his hand all over that girls ass as she walks by him (at 3:05).
That's assault, brotha!

RunEddieRun1983's picture

Honestly after watching that he should've gotten kicked off the team.  A. don't be at a bar at 2 am.  B. don't be hanging out with skanky daughters of cops.  C. Don't hit a woman.  Just my opinion, but I have morals, if that was my daughter I would want something done about it. 

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

hit_the_couch's picture

There's so much wrong with your post it's not even funny.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

BuckeyeAsylum's picture

Well that was stupid, on quite a few levels. More embarrassing for Hyde to see that IMO. Weak on both sides.

hit_the_couch's picture

Can't even tell what really happens other than some white girls that can't dance and some d-bag in a sleeveless shirt and probably some sandals. Her hand is covering her mouth like she's saying "OMG," not covering her face
It looks like the tool with the cliche tattoo with matching sleeveless shirt and jorts is trying to get some sympathy azz. It would appear that everyone and their brother is hitting on this chick.
Mindy Drayer has lost what little credibility she has.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

Scarlet_Buckeye's picture

Everyone (aside from Michigan fans) seems to be calling it a "slap".  Michigan fans (and SOME OSU fans) are calling it a "hit" (HE HIT HER!!!).  Don't get me wrong... slapping a girl isn't a good thing, but it certainly is different than HITTING someone.  The fact that we're even having this discussion is PROOF ENOUGH that it wasn't a "hit."  Because HAD Hyde HIT her, you can bet your bottom dollar he WOULD have been arrested by now.
The best analogy I can come up with is baseball...  in baseball, when a batter quickly squares his shoulders, there's not an announcer in the world that says, "he's hitting!"  They all call it a "bunt".  Now... some of the more contrarian people out there would likely try to retort... BUT A BUNT IS A HIT!  Correction: A bunt is a hit *IF* the batter makes it safely to 1st Base!  That's like... a SLAP is a HIT if the offender is arrested and/or makes it to JAIL!.  If it was TRULY as offensive as MICHIGAN fans would like to have you believe, then the Columbus Police would have pressed charges on Hyde, likely w/o the "victim" pressing charges!