The Hyde Video: Key Frames

July 30, 2013 at 3:45p    by Jason Priestas    
88 Comments
The video from the alleged assault against Carlos Hyde.

Frames taken from the Carlos Hyde video. It's so hard to ascertain whether any party made solid contact.


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AndyVance's picture

The clear loser in this whole situation is Mindy Drayer. As a reporter, I would never have been comfortable filing the report she did. Huge hit to her credibility as a journalist.

umbyosu's picture

Mindy is definitely the Jekyll (Jackal) in this Hyde situation.

buckeyeEddie27's picture

She will be the butt of jokes for years to come.  Deservedly so.

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

harleymanjax's picture

Mindy Drayer makes Beth Mowins look like Howard Cosell!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

QBYBuckeye's picture

Beth Mowins in the booth means I miss a Buckeye game.  I will not endure her under any circumstances.

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tennbuckeye19's picture

She said she watched it 4 times. Which, whoever watches that video 4 times deserves a medal. But, with the poor quality on the video, how in the world was she so sure that he landed a slap and the girl did not? 

buckeye56's picture

From what I was told by an in-law within the CPD, Mindy Drayer didn't see this tape.

tennbuckeye19's picture

I've heard that tossed around, and I don't know what she watched, but she watched something. I doubt she would've been able to describe what she did without watching it. Her interpretation of what she saw is what I don't follow. 
 

AndyVance's picture

Bingo. Drayer reported on several things as though they were crystal clear, when they were clearly anything but. If you're going to report something as though it were the gospel, it needs to be a lot more cut and dry than the video the rest of us watched. Journalism 101.

harleymanjax's picture

BREAKING NEWS..................
Grumpy Cat weighs in on Mindy Drayer!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

ToothBuck's picture

To be fair to Mindy, she said she watched it 3 or 4 times..... I suppose she couldnt remember exactly how many.

Citrus's picture

I don't understand how she could be certain Hyde made contact when the girl's face was obstructed but uncertain whether the girl made contact with Hyde.

Sockmonkey's picture

I'm not being sarcastic when I say that I'm surprised people viewed Mindy Drayer as a credible journalist prior to this. When her report came out, the "schlock-iness" of it (yeah, I just made that word up) seemed consistent with my opinion of her. I don't watch much NBC4, but I didn't figure she was one of the "A Team".
As said by many others, the whole things reeks of a connection between Mindy / NBC4 and the girl's family. 

tennbuckeye19's picture

I don't know, I thought her dog walking around in the background was just screaming "Edward R. Murrow."

Buckeye Yard Dog's picture

I agree! How in the heck can she make the assumptions she did from this video? The way she described it I thought Carlos was done. She even commented on what he was saying to the girl. Did Mindy have audio? Would Carlos have a civil case with Mindy Drayer? I definately think she has some explaining to do.

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AndyVance's picture

As with those discussingg Clay Travis' drivel comments on Urban Meyer in this case, it's extremely difficult to successfully win a suit against a journalist/reporter/pundit for slander/libel in these types of circumstances. IF Hyde were permanently separated from the team and Hyde could prove that Drayer's report was the reason in spite of the facts, maybe, but that's a stretch.

OSUnathen's picture

I don't see anything on this video that would conclude me say that Hyde definatly struck this girl. It is way to blurry and very hard to make out pretty much anything at all on the video. Surprised at Drayer's willingness to make those claims on  NBC4  and jeopardize her credibility. Don't agree that she should be made the villain but she should have been more responsible.

ScarletGray43157's picture

Agreed.  I watched her report.  No way I could make the same statements that she made after watching it myself.  None of it is as crystal clear as she made it sound.

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hit_the_couch's picture

Mindy has no credibility.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

Haybucks's picture

It's refreshing to see that others see Mindy Drayer in the same light as I do.  Thanks for obviously stating her lack of credibility better than I obviously could!

You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was. - Irish proverb

 

GoBucks713's picture

Also, how in the hell can you be taken as a serious "journalist" and use the name Mindy? That's at best a step up from Bambi.

-The Aristocrats!

hit_the_couch's picture

Or shoot a piece from your own kitchen with a dog running around in the background. I think these things trump the 3rd grade diagram/ drawing she made.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

Baroclinicity's picture

I think the damming part for Hyde suspension-wise is the "Hyde steps into the victim" frame. 

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

MotownBuck's picture

Have no idea what's going on. Will someone please draw a re-enactment on a napkin for me please.  I will say I'm fond of the deer in headlight guy in the middle of the floor as El Guapo starts to walk down.

Trotwood-Madison. Once a Ram, Always a Ram.

Goalscorer9's picture

he's in the same exact spot in EVERY frame lol

Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

Will someone please draw a re-enactment on a napkin for me please.

I spent a LOT of time on this. If anything is out of place, let me know and I'll get back to the lab.

IBleedSandG's picture

Saw this on the Buckeye Twitterverse page and started cracking up. Nice work, Ramzy!

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OSUStu's picture

Is that the cloaked grim reaper on the far right?  Frightening!

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

mh277907's picture

hahaha what the hell is that?

buckeyebobcat

tennbuckeye19's picture

I thought it was an Easter Island looking statue like this:

Now why that would be in a club called Sugar Bar 2? No idea.
 

IBleedSandG's picture

It's either one of those statues or its a big speaker.

"You pick up the rifle and go as hard as you can possibly go."
-UFM

MotownBuck's picture

Brilliant. Simply ... brilliant.

Trotwood-Madison. Once a Ram, Always a Ram.

BassDropper's picture

In the 3rd frame, if you have a mac, zoom in...you can clearly see that she did in fact make contact

DIRECTIONER

droessl's picture

I have a PC...and a sad. 

OSUStu's picture

You can zoom in with a PC.  Just saying.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

Buckeye Rocket Sci's picture

Yeah I definitely just held CTRL and up with the mouse wheel to zoom in (PC magic, ermahgerd!)
But you're right, it is rather evident that she made contact where as the frame with him leaning towards her being completely illegible.

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cal3713's picture

Well then, MS must have stolen that idea.  Apple invented zoom.

OSUStu's picture

Oh that cracked me up. 

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

jeremytwoface's picture

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

FROMTHE18's picture

hahaha nabbing this for the Picture folder on the desktop...solid

jfunk's picture

Man, I'm getting a lot of mileage out of this gif...

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mh277907's picture

buckeyebobcat

Goalscorer9's picture

Haha I used to live in taylor tower with Phil! Crazy.

IBleedSandG's picture

Kinda sad that the clearest thing in all the frames is that cross tattoo on the dude in the tank top.

"You pick up the rifle and go as hard as you can possibly go."
-UFM

harleymanjax's picture

He was BRO-TACULAR!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

Earle's picture

Somebody needs to interview that guy.  He's watching the whole thing.  Cross tattoo dude is the key to the whole truth.

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tennbuckeye19's picture

Cross tattoo dude is the missing link.

RBuck's picture

That's more definitive, but I still didn't see jack shit.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

BierStube's picture

Honestly can't tell what the heck went on here, but after looking for a while I did find Waldo!

"No matter where you go, there you are." B. Banzai

Urban Nation Army's picture

Sooooooo.... Adam Griffin....

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

RoyMunson's picture

Back, and to the left...

umbyosu's picture

The magic loogie?

faux_maestro's picture

Inní mér syngur vitleysingur

faux_maestro's picture

I DESPISE him. 

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umbyosu's picture

Thanks for loogie memories!  +1.

blh's picture

One, this is like a damn Where's Waldo book, so its obvious why there will be no charges filed. Two, no matter how unclear the video, Carlos should have just walked away and probably earned himself a 2 game suspension at most and a non-start in the first game at the least. Either way, he's back on the team and this was overblown.
Three, "Mindy Drayer," if that is her real name, is a hack of the first degree and has earned the right to STFU for eternity.

BuckeyePoetLaureate's picture

The freeze-frame makes it look like her slap connected.

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skid21's picture

I thought she punched him. Did the media get anything right?

GoBucks713's picture

Do they ever?

-The Aristocrats!

Buck Commander's picture

The dude  in the middle thinking......... Well there went that fuckin autograph opportunity.

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faux_maestro's picture

#FreeElGuapo #FireMindyDrayer

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Buckeye in Illini country's picture

Based on the video (around the 3 minutes mark) and thinking how people in real life react; I would say her slap landed and his didn't.  A guy that gets slapped would react in a somewhat similar fashion (stepping forward to confront), but if it didn't connect, I doubt many guys would do anything.  If he had connected with anything, she would have chased after him (with a group of her friends).  Either way, neither of them made anything of huge consequence and this is completely blown out of proportion.
just my $0.02

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wibuckeye's picture

Although it appears to clear Hyde, I think the intent that was there is against the statement of respecting women.  I would bet he gets at least a 2 game suspension.

WIBUCKEYE

AeroBuckeye2001's picture

If this was a dude, Hyde would have knocked his ass out. He pulled back because it was a female.

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doodah_man's picture

Thank God, I thought it was only me. I can't really see squat.... Perhaps Ms Drayer could do a video on how to survive a bear attack? http://deadspin.com/local-reporter-hilariously-demonstrates-how-to-survive-755243032

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It is hard to play dirty against a man who picks you up.

harleymanjax's picture

I've seen Porn films with better acting than that!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

trasch_man's picture

Is that Mindy Drayer standing next to the alleged victim? How can she make any definitive conclusions otherwise? If only we had another illustration.

amk1616's picture

Why doesn't anybody ask Johnny Football what happened?  He is at every bar.

MotownBuck's picture

Worst Harlem Shake video ever.

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Toilrt Paper's picture

Mindy is too old to be one of the ass shakers on stage. The 18-20 year old girls drink pop and gyrate for the drunk 21+ drooling guys. 
Did anyone notice the 2 guys making out against the wall before Hyde enters the scene.
A REAL den of inequity. That girl's parent is a cop and she is taking part in that meat market with the parents approval?

faux_maestro's picture

So tonight on NBC4 Mindy Drayer was on talking about the video. Something stuck out in her commentary. Tonight she said something along the lines of "here's where the victim makes contact with Hyde and here's where he makes contact with her". In her previous reporting she said that it was not clear if the "victim" made contact. She seemed very nervous as she was speaking. She went on and on about the "victim" putting her hand on her face and looking upset and being consoled by her friends (which to me looked like B grade porn acting (to be clear though I really don't know what that looks like because I don't watch B grade porn)). Anyway, the whole thing tonight reeked of Drayer trying to cover her ass because she was SOOOO over the top in her original reporting. My 2 cents.

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Young_Turk's picture

Man, it is really amazing how 'life' throws us these challenges.  
Tressel with tat-gate.  Should he contact NCAA with news of improper bene's, potentially revealing a under-cover, on-going drug investigation, risking players plus operation.  What's best for the tatooed, short vs. long term.  What's best for all other players, the program.  What's best for the U.  For himself.  What a dilemma!
A situation like this.  Normally, I image UFM has a great life, great job.  Makes lots of $.  Has done so many uplifting things.  Gonna earn a lot of those $ with deciding what to do based on this video.  Did he point as the video says?  Did he take a swipe?  I can't tell, can't download the vid, so just going on these pics.  
I don't have an opinion based on the video, or the pics.  I suppose if I was UFM, I would discuss with Hyde, and maybe ask to talk to the girl.  Ask honestly, what happened, what was said, was was done.  Make my decision based on that.  Won't say beyond that, cause so much depends on what is said as the video doesn't really dictate a decision.  
 

DannyBeane's picture

This entire situation was a huge waste of time and I've seen better drama in an afternoon soap opera.

LuckyDAWG685's picture

Are you all even sure that that is Hyde there?  I mean, I know he is 6'0'' 240 lbs, but the guy doesn't really look like him to me.  One of the guys along the wall looks more like him to me.  Even if that was him that was on the stage, it is REALLY hard for me to tell if he even touched her but I can tell that she hit him.  This is so inconclusive that he shouldn't get more than the same as Roby, if anything at all.  Just my non-professional opinion.

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Maestro's picture

SIAP, but as a former jury foreman on a murder trial I will offer my legal expertise and say that since she initiated the physical portion of the altercation legally she has little to no pole to grind on.

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walshy's picture

I think that I see something that no one else is talking about, but in the video if you look really close to when Carlos attempts to hit her that she actually strikes a second time (which looks like a punch). Hard to see but its almost instantaneous after he responds back.

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brandonbauer87's picture

I'll welcome your downvotes, but I don't think this is good.  His "slap" appears to be "faster" than hers.  It's definitely not a brush-off.  He may have pulled back because it was a girl, but not enough.  There was definitely bad intentions.  You can't really even make out his hand enough to know it was a slap.  I'm pretty sure both made contact.  A lot of you seem to think this looks good for him.  I think it looks worse.  I don't see how he's suspended less than 6 games.  I'm not one to judge, the public will do that.  The shame is that this likely happens all over the place and frequently.  Unfortunately for us, this went public and everyone knows about it.  That means there needs to be more severe punishment than if it was dealt with in-house.

Maestro's picture

No reason for down votes.  Urban will certainly punish him, 25% of the season or 50% of the season.....who knows.  

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Brutus's picture

Sadly, I saw it the same way you saw it.  It appears to me that he makes contact and judging by the way she stumbles afterwards, it wasn't insignificant.  The video doesn't show enough to warrant prosecution, but it does leave a lot to interpretation.  And I don't think Meyer can/will interpret this video in Hyde's favor.  Fortunately, I'm not making that call so my opinion is meaningless.

Hovenaut's picture

Hope to hear Urban weigh in on this soon.

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Maestro's picture

Ask and you shall receive sir

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Maestro's picture

In the slow motion version you can tell that she definitely connects on an open hand slap and it looks like he pushes her with an open hand in the face.  If she doesn't slap him most likely he walks away, but who knows.  He deserves to be punished and he has been/will be.  My final take.

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Goalscorer9's picture

that's what I got out of watching the video also

klfeck's picture

just wondering what her punishment will be. surely you cant just slap a young man and get away with because you happen to be female.

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Maestro's picture

Wanna bet?

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BuckChi's picture

I agree with the above comments that this video is inconclusive as to whether Hyde made contact or not. However, the victim appears to stumble backwards a little stunned after Hyde makes his move towards her. Additionally, after Hyde walks away, the girl to the victim's left looks at the victim and appears to cover her mouth with her hands in an "OMG, I cannot believe that just happened" kind of way. Again, these actions are inconclusive, but if I were a betting man, I would put my money on he made contact.

ChazBuckeye's picture

Personally I don't think you can ascertain whether either made real solid contact with each other.  I can tell you this, if Hyde would have let his friend do the mackin, then nothing would have came from this.  Only the "important" ppl get in trouble.  His friend wouldn't have even made the back page in the Dispatch...

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