Here's a post, rife with jealousy and fueled by self-loathing. Enjoy:
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/ot-notre-dame-2012-ohio-state-2002
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Not something to get riled up about if you ask me. Actually, not the craziest analogy if you're suggesting that both teams have great defenses, developing offenses, and are very adept and comfortable in close games.
To take it a step further (in reading the MGOBLOG posts that reference Kansas State), I think KSU's Klein is just more dynamic version of Craig Krenzel, which is why I don't have an issue imagining them in the NCG and competing.
But that's not what MGOBLOG said. They're saying ND (and 2002 Bucks) just, "aren't that good." I hate that shit. But that's how boards for 5-3 teams read.
Somebody probably reeeeally doesn't want their team to play the Buckeye's this year. Especially since the best offensive player was injured yesterday.
I think that ND 2012 is similar to OSU 2012 as well. Last year each of us lost some close games that we easily could have won. This year we haven't always won pretty, but we've gotten it done and seem to show up well against the toughest competition. Obviously our styles are different since their defense is the strength and our offense tends to be our strength.
lol
O H I O is the Buckeye State
Dude can't figure out how they score on "any defense with a pulse". Could be the recruiting or the fact that Brian Kelly knows how to run a pretty good offense. Pretty simple. I couldn't care less what he says about the 2002 Buckeye team. They were very frustrating but they got it done against a ridiculous Miami team for the crystal.
Love the last statement "had Denard not turned the ball over 5 times, we would have beat that team."
1) which team, Bama or ND?
2) but he DID turn it over 5 times - that's what Denard does, often.
what's the saying? Defense wins championships? well, the 2002 Bucks had the very best defense in the country that year, and deserved evey win that they "lucked" into.
I actually think the analogy makes sense. What's the big deal with this?
@poop
Right. Brian Kelly is a good offensive mind. Plus, I don't think its wise to insult a team that beat you....kinda makes you sound silly. If they're so bad on offense, what's that say about your team's defense, Michigan fan?
After their loss last night, my son said there was an individual on that blog that said "it seems that last years 11-2 record just might have been from good bounces and lucky breaks than anything".
Ya think? That's what the entire country was saying. The difference was ttun just would not listen. I laughed a little upon hearing that one.
It's not a bad comparison at all if you ask me.. Suffocating defense, just enough on offense, and good coaching. Only problem is they need a lot of help to get to the championship game because I don't see Oregon and K-State going down
notre dame better hope they get matched up with louisville in a bcs bowl after usc humbles them.
so far, they've beaten a michigan team who continues to amaze every week and an oklahoma team that has badly underachieved for the last decade.
i think notre dame is pretty evenly matched with us, and we're essentially the same team that went 6-7 last year.
this year's success is a testament to meyer, who continues to win every week playing with only about 14 acceptable starters and a punt- returner (albeit an exceptional one) throwing passes.
What else do you talk about when your team has 1 National Championship since the 1950's. Typical mich fans.
D. Anthony
The comparison is OK I suppose.
However, the Buckeyes had #13, there isn't a player on ND's offense that could hold his jock.
@740 I've heard people say we have a RB playing QB but to say he's not even good enough to be that is just insulting. His passing isn't the greatest but I can seed ough improvement in one year under a real QB coach that I think he'll be just fine his jr and sr. U obviously don't remember what we had in Troy smith and you forget the Terrell Pryor wasn't exactly a gifted passer either. I think of Braxton as kind of an investment in the next two years and the way he can run an offense that is 9-0 -- I think I can handle the overthrows. Face it -- you don't have to be Tom Brady to be QB anymore. Times change.
mclovin: calling miller a punt-returner (often a team's best athlete) is more of a compliment than calling him a running back (and i've gotta laugh that you even put him in the same breath as a passer with smith. night. and. day.)
while braxton is our best athlete, we needed kenny guiton to come in and beat purdue, and we'll need something other than braxton's legs to beat wisconsin (they have a run defense, you see...)
we're not good enough to be one-dimensional, and any guy with a semblance of a football pedigree could point out yesterday five of some of the worst throws made in a long time.
I noted the 2002 analogy yesterday after the Oklahoma game (lot closer than the end score shows, freebie late game points). Great defense, sputering offense just good enough to score enough points. Close games.
@740 First of all, I'm sure your wife loves your compliment giving abilities because calling a guy a glorified punt returner is not preferable to calling him a glorified running back -- but whatever.
You say that we had to bring in Guiton to beat Purdue. That's just ignorant. We didn't have to bring him into to win the game. I believe he came in because Miller went out with an injury. Whether or not we would have won with Miller is impossible to guess, especially considering he just broke off his best run of the day when he was injured. Either way, anyone with any semblance of a football pedigree knows that predicting the future is impossible.
Then you say we're not good enough to be one-dimensional. That is ignorant as well in that, one, we're not one-dimensional -- Miller completes enough passes for that not to be the case -- and, two, even if we are one-dimensional, our record indicates we are good enough. Either way, you're wrong.
Laugh all you want about comparing Miller to Smith. The comparison right now is still viable considering how unpolished Smith was in his younger years. With good coaching he transformed into a Heisman winner on the basis of his arm, and he doesn't have nearly the measurables -- talent, size -- that Miller has.
in life, you quickly realize that when somebody doesn't have a leg to stand on in a debate, they quickly throw around insults. i don't need to ridicule you or try to make you look silly; i'll just let you keep talking.
doing a brief search on the man who brought a slingshot to an intellectual gunfight, i see that he called miller's knock-out against purdue a standard tackle. he then criticized miller's family and toughness, going so far as to say that nothing was wrong with him.
i've got bad news, cowboy, there just might be an MD or two on this website. so, in addition to football talk and medical talk, you also have proven yourself lacking in your attempts at humor. no idea what the attempted wife joke was getting at...
braxton will be a good nfl player...if he can learn to catch passes. you as well will be a good nfl player...when you create yourself on madden.
"Now entering the game: 5 foot 8, 266 pound quarterback out of Devry, number 72 in your programs, number 1 in his magic the gathering league- please give it up for John MCLOVINNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!"
They sound extremely bitter. But hey, that's how they've been the last decade.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Thanks for the life lesson, 740. You are no doubt convinced about how funny and smart you are; let's just keep it that way. No big deal. I guess calling your opinion ignorant got you fired up. My mistake.
I'd love to address your post point by point, cowboy (stole that from you, thx) -- especially explaining the joke about compliment giving -- but we've all got shit to do, so let's stay focused. Your contribution to this debate -- if there was one (not being mean, just saying) -- was that Miller would make a fine NFL receiver but not a QB. My response to that is, well done at calling attention to the obvious. I think the well-documented track record of QBs in Miller's talent spectrum speaks volume for the difficulties that they have against NFL defenses. Not sure where that fits in in our little discussion But it's cool -- usually when someone has been proven wrong, like when you said Miller is one dimensional and we can't be good because of it (9-0), they switch gears and try to talk about something else. That was pretty much your only move, so don't sweat it. And go ahead and keep up with the insults: they're sweet, bro. Kinda confirms that whole only leg to stand on deal.
maybe we weren't that good in '02, but we were just good enough for this:
theDuke
ahhh damnit! disregard. F!#$ scUM.
theDuke
I would LOVE to see ND-OSU this year. What a game that would be...
Why all the irrelevent down votes on this thread? Doesnt seem to make sense... Voted up the ones which were not right.
Nothing like dancing on the field in 02...
miller 6-18 for 72 yards when you take away stoneburner's little route that he housed. (a couple should have been picked.)
miller 9-20 113 yards and a pick. (a couple more should have been picked.)
that is the definition of one-dimensional, even if he is a phenomenal scrambler.
it's obvious i'm talking to a kid who never played the game. never played the game.
in fact, i'm so ashamed that they allow football nubiles like you on here that i'm going to close my account.
some of you are great: knowledgable about your fanhood, and it's clear you have football backgrounds. others of you: well, it breaks my heart that we root for the same team.
@740
Sir, you have been on here a little over a week. Don't really know why you are being downvoted so much on this thread either, but...
I suggest that you read the commenting policy here and try not to get sucked into tirades and personal attacks when discussing sports.
Don't take your ball and go home, give this site more to time, as you will find no better site for OSU commentary and opinions.
Sometimes, you have to just agree to disagree and then move on.
Dude I couldn't get past the opening paragraph without hitting my head
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." Woody Hayes
Well regardless we won it all and dismantled a dynasty.. hopefully we'll get that same shot next year.
Am I the only one that's going to point out the fact that one team won the game and was a national champion, while the other was clearly unprepared, shocked, and defeated. EDIT: never mind the blog was written mid season.
And so was the thread... ;) old thread bump...