Insane that Urban Meyer coached two of the top teams of the century.
The Glenville Trio
BAMA...because of the perception war (which is key to the recruiting war).
This postseason we dismantled so much media false perception:
...we didn't deserve to be there because of the weak B1G 10
...offensive display of the big 12 had media talking like they were the next SEC
...SEC is the NFL light and BAMA is the king of the SEC
...Oregon's tempo can't be beat plus now they are "physical"
ALL wrong. Anyone who was objective knew that this media hyperbole was garbage. Beating BAMA destroyed most of it. Beating Oregon was the final nail in the coffin.
...and Michigan still sucks...
Of course, In the photo Brutus is playing against the Silver Bullets. Not a team on our schedule that's as good as us! Haha
My opinion is that Michigan still sucks & will lose no matter who lines up under center for tOSU - including Brutus.
He probably can't afford to make the trip to C-Bus & wanted a free, fun weekend away from home. Why not? Won't ever get this kind of attention again. If he lived closer to Ohio, I would expect him to be here (like Weber).
You probably only feel this way because we trounced them this year.
Their "new money" attitude after the Big 10 championship win last year plus all the shade they threw at tOSU during the bowl and championship games (I.e. That we weren't as good as those other teams) makes me want to beat them every year.
Plus...I will not over 1998 or 2013.
I do have a soft spot for Dino on occasion.
I see that, but on this team (besides Russell, Scott, Thompson) who isn't inconsistent? haha
Kam Williams should get more playing time. Not sure what gives. We need his scoring ability. Maybe Thad hates his defense? Don't want to see him become another Sibert or Witherspoon (succeeding elsewhere after getting no minutes here).
The guys talked about Decin Smith having a hard time getting out of press coverage. I think that's always been his biggest weakness. Second would be trying to run before he actually catches the ball. He a it tacks the long ball excellently and makes hard catches in that department. The scouts say he surprisingly makes fast route cuts. Can't figure out why he struggles with press coverage. The dropping of short passes while trying to run is just concentration.
My starting five, based on effort would be:
1) Scott PG
2) Russell SG
3) Thompson SF
4) Tate PF
5) McDonald C
I think that those guys hustle the most and could keep the tempo moving. If we start to get hammered inside, then adjust. But I'd like to see us come out and play aggressively rather than like we just woke up from a collective nap.
I guess Sully (and the lack of an aggressive big man) really is a key problem. I guess I'm just concerned that we haven't figured out how to adjust by playing small or strategizing around our weaknesses and playing to our strengths.
I am happy we have Gibson, too. He may be a great QB at OSU. He's a kid and I don't fault him for exploring his options.
He's a true, high profile "everybody wants him" recruit (like TP or Brax). Burrow (and to a lesser extent) JT - weren't nationally prominent can't miss/must haves. JT was 4 star player who didn't have a Texas or Texas A & M offer (top home state schools)... And Burrow is really only gaining steam in the last 6 weeks or so.
I appreciate both. It's just that I learned after Troy beat out Zwick to not under appreciate ANY tOSU recruit. You just never know...
Here's what was in my mind with the JT data (albeit a qualitative not quantitative sort).
When I think of the can't miss, everyone has to have them national prospects in OSU recruiting history recently it's been: Justin Zwick, Terrelle Pryor, Braxton Miller, Jameis Winston, DeShaun Watson. Whether they chose here or not, worked out or not...these guys were on everyone's radar as national QB can't miss type prospects.
JT was not one of those. Texas and Texas A&M didn't chose him...and that's the two best (historically) Texas teams. No one around here on the discussion boards was talking about him before his offer and after his offer, the response was still not like "wow we got the next TP/Brax." The response was "seems good, has promise." For the most part. A lot of people were sad Zaire decided to move on because Urban didn't give him a spot without seeing him throw. Because we were familiar with the Ohio kid and tend to prefer Ohio kids, the response - in my opinion - was less enthusiastic. Your point about Braxton Miller going into his second year has merit as a contributing factor to that. I'm just saying that most people didn't think we were getting the kind of player who would break OSU/ Big 10 QB records as a redshirt freshman.
The Gibson/Burrow debate (glad we have both) just reminded me that sometimes a prospect is way undervalued because of media and regional bias. It reminded me of JT Barrett's recruitment early on. That's all my point was...the fan base on discussion boards etc., really didn't appreciate JT at the level we did TP or Brax, and some still wanted a different QB.
Urban was recruiting Hackenburg. There was an interview with his dad talking about how Urban was explaining that Hack didn't need to be "dual-threat" to fit in his offense.
Got confused with Winston's year. I do bring that up to say that JT was in no way as hotly recruited or considered elite like Jameis was or like Deshaun Watson (really Urban's guy). This year, for example, most were sure that Gibson was the national can't miss prospect we HAD to land. Glad we landed him. He is the one with the high profile, not Burrow.
JT Barrett wasn't chosen by his home state's top school - Texas, or its top SEC school in Texas A & M. He's wasn't considered in that top tier of his class like those guys were.
On our OSU recruiting boards, as I said, he wasn't a known quantity like a TP, Brax, Watson, Gibson, etc. that's the level of comparison I'm working with. I've never said he wasn't a top prospect. He was not on our radar and was under-appreciated by a lot of our fan base.
Zaire was the guy everyone was talking about and some still lamented not getting up until this fall. That doesn't make them right, just shows more regional bias.
I am not advocating for Zaire. I'd rather glad we have JT and as the thread states, Burrows.
I think Burrow did a good job in the playoffs and his all star game. He seems to be an intelligent guy with a great understanding of offense, a good arm, and athleticism. Despite the underwhelming HS competition, I think his tools really translate to OSU, especially with a couple of years adjusting.
In retrospect, I should have been clearer about the "nobody was talking about him (in Ohio) statement. Maybe some of the people who really follow recruiting were talking about him. But until Meyer and Herman got here, JT was not being talked about as a target (not like TP or Braxton, for example). Most people around here were stumping for Ohio guys like Zaire or a bigger name like Hackenburg or Jameis Winston (a Tressel recruit). So, in this context...JT was an off our radar recruit. Thought I made that clear in the OP, but obviously by some responses it wasn't that clear.
Agreed. To be clear ... I don't think Burrow is a consolation prize, hope I didn't come across that way. I am just referring to recent (May/June) history when a lot of people did believe that. Now he has shown people that he is a top QB prospect. IMO he's one of the top 5 "can't lose this guy" of the current reciting class.
Really the OP was about being grateful that our coaches found two stellar recruits that many schools didn't want.
That is a good point, loganmaniac. The lack of exuberance was highly influenced by Braxton. Likely, many weren't worried about the future at QB. I didn't take that into account. Urban did want Watson first, but went hard after Brandon Harris as 1b.
Even the casual recruiting observers tend to care about QB recruits. Justin Zwick, Terrelle Pryor, Braxton Miller...all highly known commodities even to the casual observer.
So, I agree with you that Braxton played a large roll. I stand by the fact of my original (meant to impress people???) simple reflection thesis...there wasn't a lot of fanfare about JT from the OSU fan base originally (and by some into the VT game).
The same holds true for Joe Burrow...he was to many a back-up plan, and now is receiving more recognition. The difference being that JT was a more known commodity nationally than Burrow (though JT was not offered by Texas or Alabama). Burrow is more under the radar for sure, happy to have him. JT Barrett was not the "top choice" of a lot of fans and certainly didn't get as much love as the afor mentioned QBs (for a lot of reasons).