Awesome. Good thought. Indirectly, this is a post about how great the state of Ohio State football is in. Urban Meyer came into a much better climate and situation than Hairball. It's the offseason. I'm bored. It's Friday...there is no football game tomorrow. Sigh.
Great point! I've always wondered why we could never recruit a pro-caliber QB...and how we still dominate in spite of it.
Good point. I was thinking that this morning, but wanted to press deeper than just leadership at the top.
True, the right head coach is important. But look at Rich Rod...winning at WVU & UA. Michigan? Some of those factors really kept him from winning. He's a very good head coach but couldn't win at UM.
TTUN will be back in some sort of fashion, and Harbaugh is a very good coach, if not great one. But perhaps the road back is tougher than TTUN fans think.
I'd throw all of our bigs at Kaminsky and play the hack-a-Shaq game against him. It might actually make our bigs be more aggressive. Beat him up, let DRuss take over the game.
That sounds like David Boston size/strength/athleticism.
Wouldnt mind if he's the next David Boston....
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Doran Grant won't last until round 4.
I could also see Belicheck drafting Evan Spencer in the late rounds. He loves those team guys who do the little things right.
I could see Huerman going to NE, too.
The author of this article got it right. How can you argue with a staring 5 of NBA players? Had Oden been able to be healthy, he'd be an all star, but the talent was there.
I love Craft, 3eibeler, Lighty, Dials, Lauderdale, Thomas, Buckets...but talent wise...they're not in the league.
The knock on him from insiders was that he didn't really have the desire for pro-football. In college he was so much stronger and better than everyone his unique personality didn't come through. The NFL is a different beast. Seems like it never fit Vernon's unique personality. People just said if he was played at the right position and he had the desire/focus for NFL - he'd dominate. I hope he put it all together and is focused and gets a good shot.
This is not a critique of him, I love #50. He just liked other good things/interests in life than the NFL grind.
Favorite news-reader. Good call. Quintessentially French lady.
Price of paying players has skyrocketed in the SEC as they seek to keep up with Urban Meyer and the resurgent B1G.
To think we had Orlando Pace and Korey Stringer on the same line. Wow.
I think he's bigger than Bell. Certainly not as big as Tyvis.
He enrolled at OSU 6'0" & 198. Gotta think Coach Mick put 10 lbs on him this year.
3.5 years is where I'd set the line. That'd be a good bet. The NFL will come calling after Harbaugh makes Michigan respectable as the 2nd or 3rd best team in th B1G.
Nice. Goes along with that time-tested American saying:
"If you can't beat them, change the rules."
Verlon Reed reminded me of Chris Vance. He may even be more talented. He was similar in style to Michael Thomas, as I recall. At least that's the type of reliever I thought he'd become: great hands & body control, good speed, making the tough catches. Glad he has a shot at the NFL. I was sad when he transferred.
Zenshade, I appreciate you representing those of us who don't have the time or even inclination to read every post before posting. I think we think of this forum as a rather impromptu place to continue an informal conversation.
Move always been a "if I'm not interested I won't comment" type person. I see many duplicate topics on here, doesn't bother me.
I wish some in the 11w community could see nuance, or other parts of the story that haven't been answered it are different angles, etc. I didn't post this to rehash an opinion about Mike Weber per as, his emotions, his HS coach, etc.
I was truly interested in the ethics of the situation: what makes down thing right or wrong? It's a gray area in recruiting and it doesn't seem the conversation really focused on ethics. Everything seemed to be focused on guessing at what a teenager meant. Some fans seem to think OSU could never be wrong while others were embarrassed by the bad PR.
But was it unethical? I don't think so and I gave my rationale as why it was not based on what we know. I am willing to say is could be unethical if certain info was ever discovered.
I tried to bring up ethics in a separate post. I agree with you that we should question tOSU without fan bias.
I suspect Drayton knew there was interest and at least a potential interview.
However, if he didn't "have the job" I don't think he did anything unethical. A possible job need not be disclosed. An actual job should be.
I ask because Birm has said this is a gray area in recruiting.
im asking what makes it gray and what would make it more black and white?
mostly only heard opinions about non-facts and teenagers tweets/emotions. Ethics addresses behavior.
Precisely. It matters because I do think that without all (or any of) the facts, Wilcher's response was unethical. It was effectively slander.
Was it "in the heat of the moment?" Sure. Did he want to look like a good Michigan man and Detroit protector. Yes. Was there a conspiracy beyond this? Don't know.
If Drayton had reached an agreement before signing day that he would be the next coach of the RB for the Bears, I do believe this should be disclosed.
If he was a top candidate to be interviewed but with no guarantee of a job, I believe this didn't need to be disclosed.
Thats where the right and wrong of it lie for me.
I'm not asking what Drayton should have done. I'm asking what basis do we judge this situation, ethically.
Most people debated what Mike Weber really meant by hurt, or speculated on intent to deceive, etc.
Besides being a fan who hopes there was no unethical behavior, I found myself wondering what would make me think of there was a wrongdoing.
Bottom line is, I don't think "potentials" need to be disclosed, but "actuals" do. And I would apply this consistently to Michigan. In fact, while Michigan did not disclose they had another running back, they did make his signing public. To me, they could have unethically asked him to wait until after Wver made his decision. They did not, so I think they're clear too on the same logic.
just wonder how we make ethical decisions around here between the "urban lied" and "urban wins" crowd.
Great research. Thanks. It helps in defining the ethical question.
i don't think Weber's hurt feelings or Wilcher'a overreaction or Michigan's grandstanding and stirring up negative PR are THE issue. I don't care about that. I care about ethics.