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I have a hard time believing Miller lays there and doesn't do anything while Gholston gasps for air on top of him -- dude was out and should've never been let back in the game.

Plus, when he got up he was clearly seeing stars - shaking his head, blinking his eyes repeatedly, etc. He was NOT gasping for air or stretching his abs to pull his shoulder pads off his chest... He took a nap out there, then they lied to the sideline reporter.

My favorite was him working his jaw back into place as he was leaving the field.  I still cannot believe that a medical staff let him back on the field.  Notice how his production took a nose-dive after he got "winded"...

I prefer fragle rocked

Fragel rocked is nice.

I hope you're right, we could certainly use solid OT play the rest of the year, but given the plays Gholston was making before that hit, I think Fragel was a beneficiary, not a world-beater (but, again, I would love to be wrong on this).

Gholston got knock da fahkout! <Chris Tucker voice>

Yeah this is exactly what i thought. I actually got a sick feeling in my stomach cuz i thought i just saw him die. If he got the wind knocked out of him he would have at least moved a little bit. He was just laying there like a rag doll. This should definately be looked into by the ncaa.

When he walked off the field I said to myself that he was done for the day.  They should have taken his helmet and locked it up.

Laying motionless for a few minutes then getting up holdind your head, ya knocked the wind out of himself! If his lungs were in his head! I think its total BS if that were my kid I would whoop coaches ass! I am sure 95% of the people watching the game have had the wind knocked out of them before and you writhe on the ground gasping for air not lay motionless. Pretty sorry MSU cares so little about their players.

I've witnessed plenty of people in my life get the wind knocked out of them. I've had the wind knocked out of me. Not once did I ever see any person react by laying sprawled out completely motionless. I know I sure as heck writhed around a bit gasping. Didn't hear Braxton get asked about that but wish he had.

As plenty of people stated above, I thought we had all just witnessed a man become paralyzed at best.

So thankful Braxton had the awareness all game that they were trying to get angles to knock him out. I love aggressive defense, don't get me wrong. Yesterday though, MSU D was trying to get him medically removed from the field. Seemed to be their singular mission.

This incident was a pretty clear case of where Dantonios priorities are. Gholston got knocked out cold & it was completely obvious to anyone watching the game. Braxton didn't move because he was probably told not to for the fear of a neck/spinal injury to Gholston. 

Had that happened to an OSU player, I would hope they would take him out of the game. I'd be pissed if they didn't. Winning is great & I love when a player toughs out an injury to try & help the team but a concussion is no joke. Risking a kids safety isn't worth it. Pathetic.

What do we expect from a guy - Dantonio - who rode Javon Ringer like a rented mule, possibly taking 2-3 years off his pro career, and is now in the process of doing the same thing with L. Bell?

If they asked Ringer and Bell, they probably want to carry the ball 40 times a guy. If they asked Gholston if he wanted to return to the game yesterday, he probably said, "hell yeah!" But that's usually where responsible adults step in and do the right thing - usually.

It all fits in with Narduzzi's sixty minutes of "necessary roughness" approach.    

Lost respect for Dantonio yesterday. Always held onto some from his Buckeye D-coordinator days. His staff allowing this kid back in the game is wrong and as head coach all is on him. Also felt that MSU played a little dirty as echoed by other teams. Playing tough and aggressive is great. But borderline late sideline hits, eye gouges, and other situations I saw is changing my mind about the man. Not to mention the tape editing issue.

If someone was to investigate the Gholston incident, where would it come from? The B1G, the NCAA..? The safety of these young players should be first and foremost. I don't give a damn about the whole state of michiscum and lost any respect for Dantonio held over from his stint at tOSU.

Herbie use to be my favorite but it seems to me he has made the easy choice to be a Buckeye hater for career purposes. I cannot believe he would not even mention or questio Gholstons return to action and how lethargic he looked compared to how dominating he was before he went out. Does anyone know how MSU fans are viewing this?

CajunBuckeye, I think the investigation could be initiated at any level, from the MSU atheletic director to B1G or NCAA. Someone neds to look into this though. As others have said, winning is great and all - and of course Gholston probably wanted to go back in - but this was disgusting.

The game's not worth killing your own brain. If the trainers aren't willing to see it that way they need to be officially reprimanded by someone who does.

Steensn: It is petty to point out that Ringer carried the ball 390 times as a senior and that Bell was well on his way to that pace? Do you even know what the word petty means?

Dantonio is effectively the CEO of anything that happens on the football field, btw.

He's a p#ssy

STEENSN player safety isn't petty by any means. Dantonio needs to answer to some serious issues. I'll admit, my opinion of him is way down right now, but deservedly so.

If Gholston was knocked out (the ONLY player safety question at this point in time) it will make it's way out. Then let's talk about if he was the one to make a call or not regarding him playing. hen let's talk about Dantonio's morals. You guys took this down a slippery slope that is unjustified with no real facts. I've had the wind knocked out of me, everyone reacts differently, I will await calling someone a terrible person till I have REAL facts. Where is common curtasy these days?

I read this in several places including here: http://detroit.sbnation.com/michigan-state-football/2012/9/29/3429402/mi...

That's how I understand it, as I directed my disbelief at the MSU medical staff, not the coaches. While the NFL has clear guidelines that establish that, I'm not so sure the NCAA does. Does anybody know of any NCAA policies on this? And what kind of influence can a coach hold over the medical staff? CFB head coaches usually run the show at their university, as we all tragically learned this offseason (Paterno). What's to stop a coach from influencing medical staff hirings and firings?

does anyone have a video of this? tough to find

Steensn: we don't need to stop suggesting that Dantonio is a terrible person, evil, or the devil, becuase no one here did that in the first place (strawman argument). The suggestion was that Dantonio does not place a high priority on, and/or is willing to take chances with, his players' physcial wellbeings. 

Referencing the fact that, under Dantonio's watch, J. Ringer carried the ball 390 freakin' times during his senior season is very germane to that discussion. Pointing out that Bell had been on a 35+ carry/game pace prior to the Buckeyes shutting down their running game is likewise an important fact to consider.

Even if the medical staff cleared Gholston, it was still Dantonio's call (ultimate repsonsibility) whether to put him back in the game. That Gholston was medically cleared does not necessarily mean that it was a good idea to play him. 

We can suspect that Dantonio is somewhat less than a "good man" without concluding that he's 180 degrees on the other side (evil) . . .    

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AZsok00Pio

bad quality but you can see he doesnt move at all the only movement is when braxton does a bit and someone tried to lift his arm up and it just falls down lifeless. He was definitely knocked out. 

Its nice the way the safety leads with his helmet, and an Ms U player piles on after the play. Good fundamentals

Fido - What is your obsession with Ringer's # of carries? He's RB, they are supposed to be the workhorse of the offense. You want to think those carries HURT his career...if anything it likely impressed NFL scouts as it shows he can handle a heavy workload. You can think what you want about Dantonio, but to try and act like he didn't care about a player by asking him to carry the ball alot, which is what RBs do, is a bit off base.

Cincy: it would be tough for me to satisfy both you and Steensn. On the one hand, Steensn claimed that those questioning whether Dantonio jeapordizes his players' health were not citing facts. On the other hand, I cite a relevant fact and, in doing so, you accuse me of being obessed with said fact.

To be honest, though, I am relying on sort of an "old wives tale" applied to football: that many so-called NFL experts believe that RBs have the shortest careers of any other position and that RBs have an even more limited shelf-life compared to say, WRs or DBs. The idea - rightly or wrongly - is that RBs have a certain amount of carries/hits they can take during their college and NFL careers before they become sort of "spent up."

I've never seen any empirical studies supporting this "wives tale," but until I hear otherwise, who am I to argue with NFL scouts & front office-type people?

If they're right, and if the primary purpose of college is to prepare students to succeed in the workforce, then Dantonio did a major disservice to a kid who was under his charge.    

I don't think many of us could argue about the fact that it does appear that he was out cold.  It sure looked that way.  I was worried about Braxton for a second as well.  I can't blame Dantonio without more facts and we don't have those.  My question is why would the kid lead in with his helmet in the first place on that play and why would the officials not call that?  I thought it was supposed to be an automatic call for safety and then we see this happen!   

Steensn: the stats I mentioned are facts. You're confusing evidence of Dantonio's possible lack of regard for his players' health/wellbeing (which is what I provided) with proof that he's consciously, deliberately reckless/callous about such things (which I agree is far from established).

Again, for the second (or is it third) time . . . How many times do I have to repeat this . . . no one is saying that Dantonio is a bad person (although he might be). You keep playing that card because it's a much easier position to defend than the one that's actually under question, but I don't play along with such rhetorical tricks.

If anyone is being stalkerish, btw, it's those who seem to be vehemently trying to cast aside any criticisms directed at Dantonio. Do you have some connection to the guy?

Sorry, it has been said he is a terrible person many times... maybe you missed it, but it has been said over and over. I am speaking to those who think that...

The safety who made the hit is actually a really good kid, even though his actions on the field didn't show it.  He made some pretty aggressive tackles that were borderline dirty, in my opinion.  However, I know him.  He graduated from the HS where I teach.  He made good grades and is a very respectful young man.  I'm just thankful that Gholston absorbed that hit instead of Braxton!

Is -8 an 11 W record? Just wondering

the wind knocked out of him? really? that's the best excuse the michigan state coaching staff can come up with for playing a kid that was obviously knocked out cold by his own player and might have suffered a concussion? i guess winning is way more important than a players safety. i would suggest to the michigan state coaching staff to review future replays before coming up with an excuse next time. it would be more explainable to say he was tired and taking a power nap!

You can get a concussion without getting knocked out. But you can't be knocked without having a concussion. I fell at work and hit my head on the floor and was out for less than a minute. ER Dr. told me getting knocked out is the all you need to know about whether you have one or not.

Herbstreit on The Fan today said you have to trust MSU's medical staff. 

I wonder if Herbie would let/condone one of his sons to go back in the game after laying motionless from being knocked out cold? I doubt it and I agree with a previous poster about being disappointed in Herbie and Musburger for not questioning the absolutely ridiculous statement from the MSU medical staff that Gholston just had the wind knocked out of him. I don't need to have a medical degree to know he was concussed on that play. Many of us have at one point or another had the "wind knocked out" of us and you don't react the way Gholston did. This needs to be looked into by the NCAA IMO. Player safety is paramount.