Wednesday Skull Session

By Chad Peltier on November 28, 2012 at 6:00a

No need to pinch yourselves – the Buckeyes still went 12-0, Urban Meyer is still your head coach, the Roundball Buckeyes play Duke tonight, Braxton and John Simon won B1G player of the year awards last night, and Urban's assistants are going HAM on the recruiting trail. 

It's a good time to be a Buckeye. 

Coping with the offseason will be the name of the game for today's Skull Session, as "Silly Season" for coaches, conferences, and recruits has begun. 

We'll be getting to offseason football analysis in the upcoming days and weeks, but one thing that occurred to me this morning is that we have five current underclassmen offensive linemen who will undoubtedly make a difference next year: Jacoby Boren, Joey O'Connor, Chase Farris, Taylor Decker and Kyle Dodson. 

O'Connor and Dodson were both four-star recruits that had to redshirt due to injury, while Farris, Boren, and Decker were all backups that saw extremely limited time this season.

With Decker likely to seize Fragel's vacated position, these four touted linemen will likely serve as the primary backups next year to an experienced starting group under the tuskless Ed Warinner.

Just in case you weren't excited enough for the offense next season.  

 TIS THE SEASON FOR SCHADENFREUDE. Though you probably wouldn't be able to tell by talking to an actual Michigan fan, Michigan has been having a rough go of it since their loss in The Game – even in their quarterback recruiting. Great! 

Jamie Samuelsen of the Detroit Free Press asks whether 2012 was a success, failure, or something in-between. He's largely fair in his analysis, taking a wait-and-see approach based upon how 2013 goes. 

What gets me excited is the bolded part below: 

Let’s eliminate the two extremes. It clearly was not a rousing success. The Wolverines were embarrassed by Alabama and lost to two of their bitter rivals (Ohio State and Notre Dame)...Michigan football is not back in terms of where most fans think it should be. They lost to Ohio State (and really got outslugged in the second half).

While some analysts want to paint Meyer's spread offense as the less smashmouth of the two approaches to offense, that clearly is not the case. The Buckeyes leaned on Hyde and the base inside-zone run game in the fourth quarter to outmuscle the weaker Michigan defensive line and grind out the victory.

 BOWLING IS STILL FUN TO WATCH. The Buckeyes may not be going bowling this year, but that doesn't mean that there aren't a ton of interesting potential matchups to enjoy. 

In particular, the Fiesta Bowl matchup of Oregon and Kansas State, the possible Rose Bowl between Nebraska and Stanford, Hazell's Kent State against Malzahn's Arkansas State in the bowl, and the Wolverines vs. Manziel and Texas A&M all look like high quality bowl matchups. 

You'll have to do better than "Big East to Big Easy" or "Big LEast" around hereTulane says come at me, Big East bro

 CONFERENCES ARE CHANGING. The Big East added two teams yesterday in East Carolina and Tulane, but I'm not really sure why this is important enough to be my third news item (sorry, @Mengus22). 

However, this news – combined with the B1G's recent additions of Maryland and Rutgers – has some important implications for our understanding of what conferences value in their member schools and how they make strategic decisions. 

In particular, it looks like conference survival is not necessarily dependent upon football success. Besides mere survival of the conference, conferences primarily value member schools that provide 1. Money, 2. Stability, 3. Championship contenders, or 4. Basketball?

Maybe it's actually not even correct that conferences will do anything to survive: 

OPEN SEASON FOR COACHES. With a number of high profile vacancies in college football, it's definitely set to be an interesting offseason.

Feldman starts us off by breaking down the top ten possible head coaching candidates, and I'm really surprised Hazell isn't more than an honorable mention. Is anyone else surprised that a school would look seriously at Petrino with all of his baggage? Winning is winning, I guess. 

Forde breaks down the top open coaching destinations, with Purdue coming in sixth ahead of Boston College, Kentucky, and Colorado. Cross Kentucky off as a vacant position, as Mark Stoops has secured the job. 

In what I initially thought was the Internet trolling me, it actually looks like Les Miles was offered a serious amount of money for the Arkansas job. We'll see if this one is actually true or just smoke without a fire. 

Unfortunately, as Ohio State assistants continue to get recognized for being awesome, their names will start to appear on head coaching candidate lists: 

Southern Miss started an unfortunate precedent for firing first-year coaches when they let Ellis Johnson go today. Could Tim Beckman actually be next? Fowler writes that maybe it's just more expensive to keep a losing coach long term. 

Of course, some are saying that even long-tenured coaches like Mack Brown could get the boot as well.

 B-1-G!! B-1-G!! B-1-G!! The Big Ten took a 4-2 lead over the ACC in the ACC-Big Ten Challenge last night. Indiana beating North Carolina in Bloomington wasn't a surprise. Nor was Michigan topping North Carolina State or Minnesota handing Florida State a home loss.

Nebrasketball beating Wake Forest by 16 in Winston-Salem? That was a surprise. And a welcome one at that.

But wait, it gets better! Nebraska has a veritable round mound of rebound and he's amazing.

Oh, be sure you to check out the shoes Under Armour created for the Northwestern-Maryland clash. You'll trip for days.

 SPARE A LINK? Auburn has one last meltdown... Some recommended reading for the aspiring football strategists in the room... Awesome infographic comparing regional college football fans... NCAA '13 picks Alabama, Nebraska to win conference championship games... Ohio State isn't alone in going undefeated but not playing for a national title... Awesome photos of college football from 100 years ago.


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Abe Froman's picture

What?  No mention of a $50M lawsuit levied against Maryland for leaving.  It IS all about money and it will be interesting to see what the legal pundits comment on the suit.  They will probably settle around $10M - $15M is my guess.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Lou Holtz was probably on that team 100 years ago.

I still say that the loss to Maryland shouldn't count against the BiG Ten.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

CALPOPPY's picture

Holy crap! Does that Nebrasky round mound of rebound wear those compression socks to keep the diabetes at bay?

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

faux_maestro's picture

Your mom told me she wants a Dicken Cidar.

slicksickle's picture

Ending up with ZERO players on the 1st team offense was just the B1G's way of trolling us. I, in no way expected to get O and D player of the year. BOB getting COY is ok; even though he didn't have the season UFM had, not too many people do. Its expected of OSU to go undefeated year in and year out, hense Tress never getting COY even though he made it to three NCG and a total of somewhere around 8 BCS games. Whatevs, though. UFM don't need no damn trophy to show he's the best.

DJRoss926's picture

My buddy told me about Andre Almeida (#32, Nebraska) last night and, man, I am better for it. He makes any basketball game instantly more entertaining. When he ran (jogged?) the floor, I was constantly on edge that he may not be able to stop himself and bowl the opposition over.

BoFuquel's picture

The Detroit Freepress didn't take kindly to Hoke standing behind Borges' playcalling Sat.Talk about your honeymoon being over.Look at The Doughboys' overall record,and you still have an average year for their coach.I don't see any B1G school parting with the big bucks it's gonna take to compete withThe Great Urbanzo.Even if we go undefeated next year the national media is already starting their campaign to keep TOSU out of the NC game.Just another year on pro. for us criminals. No parole for Buckeye Nation, back to solitary confinement,util you learn your lesson.Don't mess with Disney,or you will pay and pay, and pay.GO BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Defend Youngstown's picture

The Free Press has been notoriously unfriendly to TSUN for a long time.

nvbuckeye's picture

kinda of like the South Park episode where the Jonas Bros were kicked around by Mickey (one of my favorite SP eps), Disney can reak vengance on anyone snubbing the "Kingdom".
Its 9:27 am in the west and skunkweasel still sucks.

AllDay028's picture

Despite just being tenth on that list, Taggart is number one on my personal list.

HSBDAWG's picture

Disney is just made cause tOSU would rather go play in glyndale AZ. then ant florida blows that is why they give tOSU such a hard time.


If Jimmy Haslem really wanted to help the Browns he'd hire Gruden as head coach/GM. I'm seeming to think him becoming the Tennessee coach with an ownership stake in the Brownies does NOTHING for the Browns other than having a really good coach in their ownership group. that's just me though.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

AllDay028's picture

It was originally reported by a local news 3 in Memphis. It's extremely unlikely that is actually true and Gruden did deny it this morning on Mike and Mike.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

That is awesome news about Conley saying adios to AACC... wondering how much The Game had to do with that!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced


1. I'd rather lose Herman than Warinner. Warinner's work with the offensive line is arguably the most crucial improvement the Buckeyes made this season. Do NOT want to see Ed going to Purdue to improve their OL and offensive game plan. Tired of the BM Makers playing us close every year.
2. I wonder how many TTUN fans are missing LLLLLLoyd Carr right now? At least he recruited first round draft picks.
3. I could give a rat's tail about the Big East football conference dissolving, but as a fan of college basketball in general the death of the basketball Big East conference is a freaking travesty. I hope those schools band together and make their own hoops-only conference at least.
4. That Husker hoops player needs a sun tan, STAT. Must be from the lack of sunlight in Nebraska
5. Why in the name of Extramarital Affairs on Motorcycles would anyone want to hire Bobby Petrino?
6. Why in the name of Taking a HUGE Step Backward would Les Miles leave LSU for Arkansas? That's like Coach Meyer leaving OSU to go coach Indiana
7. Those Northwestern/Maryland basketball shoes look like part of a costume from Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat.
8. Tulane hasnt been good in football since Clinton was president. Guess the Big East wanted to out-do the B1G in adding mediocre football programs
9. Michigan sucks!

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

DJRoss926's picture

That Husker hoops player needs a sun tan, STAT.

The man is the size of a refrigerator and his skin tone is the first thing you notice?


I live in Florida, pale skin is the first thing we notice.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I used to live in So Cal and sometimes the first thing I'd notice is darkly tanned 37-year old women whose leathery, wrinkled mugs looked like they were 57 years old. But they must have looked really hot when they 24 years old, of course.    

M Man's picture

I had to check the details.
If, as I suspect, the other player in the photo is #32 for the Kansas Jayhawks, Zach Peters from Plano, Texas... Peters is 6'9" and 240lbs.  He looks like a skinny kid from the Under-6' league next to Mr. Cornhusker.

ziplock007's picture

"Southern Miss started an unfortunate precedent for firing first-year coaches when they let Ellis Johnson go today."
I believe OSU did that last year... remember the Luke Fickell Experience?

Defend Youngstown's picture

The situations aren't even remotely similar.


Does that count for interim coaches? Thats what Fickell was last year wasn't he?

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

btalbert25's picture

I thought they kept making a point to say that Luke was NOT and interim coach last year. 

tennbuckeye19's picture

He was named the interim coach when Tressel was only suspended, but when he was fired resigned, Luke became the head coach. I'm pretty sure the interim tag was removed @ that time.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Any lawyers here?
My guess is that "interim" means one thing in a legal/contractual context and another thing in the AD context. Technically, Luke might no longer have been considered an interim coach after JT resigned, but effectively that was always going to be his status until the 2011 season concluded and the AD had a chance to "review" his progress. Wasn't it a one-year contract? What other non-"interim" cfb HC has ever operated under a one-year contract (maybe this happens and I'm just ignorant of it)?

tennbuckeye19's picture

You bring up an interesting question, and one I hadn't thought about. I don't really know the legalities of it all. 
I've wondered though if Luke thought he had a shot @ retaining the HC job and @ what point he knew he wouldn't. 

Denny's picture

I ain't passed the bar, but I know a little bit.


nickma71's picture

Since the Big Ten and SEC still have their tie ins that come after the BCS and the Cotton Bowl, Michigan will have one wail of a beating coming to them. They will be lucky to only draw Texas A&M. Alabama, Florida, and Georgia only get two spots, unless the title game isn't counting. I don't remember if that 2 team limit is staying this year. They could have Florida, LSU, South Carolina, or A&M.


I believe the two BCS slots per conference rule was changed for this season onward, so the SEC will likely have at least 3 in those bowls, Alabama/Georgia winner included. At least its true for the coming playoff, which makes me ill to think of all 4 playoff spots going to SEC schools undeservedly. That happens i'll never watch that playoff.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

BuckeyeDave's picture

Nope, still just two teams from each conference.  It is the reason Saban is pissed.  Read yesterday that he was complaining that if they lost the game against UGa that they would probably miss out on a BCS bowl because Florida would take the second SEC slot and he did not think that was fair....
Of course it is exactly what he did last year but that was LAST YEAR.

Alhan's picture

Wednesday Skully deep thoughts:
1)  Here's hoping Jacoby lives up to half of his brothers' legacies at Ohio State!
Edit - I'm saying I'll be happy if he's even half as good as his brothers...I'm assuming this is the comment that people are taking offense to.
2)  Your list of possible bowl games does indeed look like some tasty viewing.  I'm sure my heart will be sorely crushed, but this will be the one time of the year that I will root for the other B1G teams to do well, even TTUN if only to try to help rid the B1G of its stigma of being terrible.
3)  It's interesting that no tOSU coaches were on Feldman's list.  I hope we retain all of them for at least this coming year.  Please don't let Purdue take Ed!
4)  A better record for yesterday's B1G/ACC challenge would be 4-1-1: MD/NW can count as no worse than a tie :-)
5)  The infographic showing college football fan attire for the different regions was quite amusing, but the best of the bunch had to be for us in the Midwest.  It only took two words to describe how we dress for the games, "Stay Warm".

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

Earle's picture

I'm guessing its your comment about rooting for Michigan that is more objectionable.

Snarkies gonna snark. 

Alhan's picture

Only to make the B1G look better next year to help us in our Nat'l Title run.  But hey, I was apparently outta line.

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

Earle's picture

I get the logic, and don't object to the concept, I just can't bring myself to do it. 

Snarkies gonna snark. 

avail31678's picture

Agreed.  I won't root for Wisconsin or Michigan.  I just don't care about our conference's perception enough to overcome my loathing of them.  Suck it Michigan. 

Doc's picture

Agreed.  Me too.  Suck it AACC, and you too Bert.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I will root for Michigan in their bowl game, as I've almost always rooted for Big Ten teams in bowl games.
Actually, Michigan v. Bama this year was one of the few times that I've rooted against a Big Ten team in a out-of-conference game. My reason for that exception is complicated - rumors of negative recruiting, Hoke having some succcess recruiting Ohio, etc. 
I'm now convinced that Urbz had made it safe again for us to go back to rooting for Michigan in bowl games. See, Urbz has a nice, compassionate side after all!

GoBucks713's picture

I always root for the B1G in bowl games. I may vomit violently while doing it, but i still do it.

-The Aristocrats!

brglr14's picture

i say screw em all. i used to root for em all but after all the crap we from all the fan bases that we are nothing but big cheaters and so on and it has always been happening. F-M!  i hope were the only program that has big success in this conf.

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buckeye56's picture

The photos from 100 yrs ago were pretty cool. Howard Jones was Head Coach here for a short time. Also interesting to see the football picture of Hobey Baker, who has College Hockeys version of the Heisman Trophy named after him.

Doc's picture

Looks like Flounder is going to be 8-5 in year two.  How's that come back working for ya stink bears?

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Sean N's picture

That's by far the most delicious part of this for me.  Just imagining how steamed they must be seeing Ohio State's down cycle lasting just one year when they are in year 5 now after last year's smoke and mirrors comeback. 

thatlillefty's picture

Chad states these bowl match ups with confidence... but these are still TBD, correct?

Chad Peltier's picture

Still TBD- those matchups were what the espn guys are predicting. Feel more confident about those happening than predicting UGA or Bama vs ND, for instance 

Earle's picture

Of all the assistant coaches, I would hate to lose Warinner the most. The O-line took such huge strides this year, although perhaps that was because they received some actual coaching. Still, Ed would be a major loss.

Snarkies gonna snark. 

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

The way Ohio State pushed around the Michigan DL at the end of the game makes me think the UM boys quit after Barnett picked off Gardner. The mustard and blue knew the game was over at that point.

hodge's picture

Ah-ha!  Just looking through that old cache of college football photos, and one looked a little familiar...

Quite a striking resemblence to the Michigan State poster, no?  This just further proves Walt's graphic design prowess.

Walt Keys's picture

nice sleuthing.

M Man's picture

"Princeton captain Hobart Amory Hare Baker (1913)"
a/k/a Hobey Baker.  The namesake of college hockey's 'Heisman Trophy,' the Hobey Baker Award.

Earle's picture

Not to be confused with Harland "Pink" Baker, Princeton All-American and member of the 1922 "Team of Destiny".

Snarkies gonna snark. 

LadyBuck's picture

The infographic on tailgating gear was quite fun to read. Granted, I dress more in the "northeastern" style than the midwestern style. However, I do layer up quite a bit.

osubuckeye4life's picture

What is with the team overalls at games? I know we're in areas surrounded by farm land but do we have to dress like that.
Another thing I hate is the damn candy cane pants of IU. 
I echo the sentiments on losing Warriner. He is one coach I do not want to lose.