I am wondering why Ohio State never really recruited Jake butt, a michigan commit. I have been friends with him since 3rd grade and can say he was a die hard buckeye fan. Also, a scout for ohio state has a son that goes to the same school which made it even more confusing to me. If anyone has any info it would be much appreciated.
thanks and Go Bucks
He isn't good enough.
Hopefully it stays that way every time he faces tOSU.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Marcus Baugh
along with Vannette and Heuerman already slated in those slots.
~Because we couldn't go for three~
You've known him since 3rd grade. I'd say you'd be the guy to have the inside scoop on why he is going to UM. My thought is that he was not pursued by OSU and he decided to get revenge by going to UM and shoving it in our faces? Other than that guess I have no idea.
Are you being serious or are you joking? Because the likihood of a kid deciding to go to UM for the sole reason of spiting OSU makes absolutely ZERO sense. Ya kids may be dissapointed when they don't receive that OSU offer, but it's highly unlikely that it's a motivating force strong enough to actually send him to M*chigan. Maybe he actually likes them? Maybe he likes Ann Arbor? MAYBE the decision had nothing to do with OSU at all. Not everyone wants to shove "it" in OSU's face, and you wouldn't want the sort of kid immature to see going to UM as revenge anyway. My 2 cents.
"It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways." - Buddha
i would upvote you if i could. Michigan went at him hard and he loved the campus and feel of the team
Actually, for some kids it might be. It is more likely, however, that since he didn't get offered by tOSU caused him to give consideration to scUM and then he liked what they had to offer. I hope he does well in every game...except when he plays tOSU
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If he was truly a diehard Buckeye, then he wouldn't be going to Michigan.
Very nice!
You have to hate losing more than you love winning! GO BUCKS!!
That is a fact.
Would this still be true for T. Burke? He was 100% Buckeye, but did not get the offer. Burke and Satch talked and decided scUM was best for his future. The rest is history.
I agree, as much as I don't like them, a kid has to do what is best for his future. He chose a great school with a great football program, hard to disagree.
Don't forget, Burke was committed to PSU before he flipped to Michigan.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
That was exactly my thought too.
Craaaaaaaap. Meant to upvote, not down. Somebody help the guy out. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
If he was truly a diehard buckeye he would've committed before OSU stopped recruiting him
"It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways." - Buddha
You mean on the offer he doesn't have?
Easy, I'm just pointing out there was once a time when OSU was recruiting him, and he did not committ (or at least try to). Therefore, he is not nor ever was "100% Buckeye" and cannot be looked upon as some sort of traitor for not going to the school he watched on TV as a kid. My qualm is not with the facts of Green's recruitment, it's with the idea that he wronged OSU by not picking them (which is an idea currently worth 21 up votes). #Zeke #BeHappy
"It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways." - Buddha
You can't commit if you have no offer. You can't even try! It's like saying "If you really liked a Lambergini you'd buy one right now or at least walk into the dealership and try" when you are $100k short of buying one. You can't make the requirement something that is impossible.
Dude, the guy is the #1 RB in the country, OSU was actively recruiting him. If he had said "I want to be a buckeye" at ANY point Urban would have said "here's your keys sir"...100k short for a Lamborghini, we aren't talking about Ryan Timmons here
"It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways." - Buddha
No, but we are talking about Butt...
Regarding Green, Meyer could have considered him the wrong type of back and therefore not the right team. There was a reason we stopped recruiting him...
Marcus Baugh has a skillset thats more suited to what Urban wants and Butt doesnt quite have. You could say that Jake has a large "hole" in his game that Baugh doesnt have :) Sorry couldnt resist heard Jake is a good kid but is more pro style than "spread" TE.
I see what you did there...........
"Because I couldn't go for 3"
Glad somebody caught it :) I was gonna go with the fact he seems like too much of a cheecker for Urbans taste but thought better of it :)
what what in the butt (cant believe i joined in on the butt jokes)
what does m*ch*g*n smell like? jake butt (ok im done)
I don't understand how you got a downvote. How can anyone not appreciate this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKE3dIrRIbg
LMAO.
In addition, you and RCBIRK have answered Smanpoint10's original question. The value in having Jake Butt plugging the middle of the Buckeye DL was outweighed by the potential public relations disaster. The Buckeyes simply could not afford to have both Butt and Sprinkle on the same roster.
Now, regardless of how many Buckeye OLmen Butt envelops, we can at least look forward to playing the above video about 100 times during Hate Week for the next 4-5 years. Sometimes, a PR offensive (i.e., "imformational warfare") can do more damage than a rearguard action.
I kind of hope he becomes an integral part of their team so I can bring this up every time we play them.
Haha that's funny
Buckeye_For_Life
Butt is going to be a good one. I just think Baugh has more of what Urban was looking for. Don't think it had anything to do with Jake.
I kept thinking scUm fans were gonna make fun of us for having a player with the lastname butt BUT we didnt recruit him very hard and got Marcus Baugh instead. I too believe baughs a way better fit for our O but butt (lol its funny everytime) is gonna be a another solid ohio player gone to scUM.
Jake is a great kid but we just had higher targets on our list in Baugh, Heuerman, and Breneman. Hate that he's going to TSUN
Ok thanks guys!
I remember watch the real game of the century in 2006 with him and there was no way in hell he was rooting for tsun
I don't always think about Butt, but when I do, I think about Funchess and Butt being on the field at the same time and how downright nasty it is going to be.
I pray to God that Brady and Borges use the naked bootleg the way Lloyd used it with Griese and Jerame Tuman.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Does this post just sound wrong to anyone else? Butt, funchess, nasty, naked bootleg with Griese...
We don't need him... he can go to scum who was s fg as time expired and flukey ot win from finishing 6-7 .. without the firing of the hc and susp to 5 of there best players..
Don't be an idiot. We had more than our fair share of close calls this year. A win is a win, and they won those games and finished 8-5.
An idiot?? I was simply saying, given how bad our season was last year... the worst in terms of losses in over 100 years... TSUN was a last second FG and OT win away from putting up the identical record, and they're all claiming they're "back". I've used this before, but think it's fitting in your case:
And they were also Denard fumble at the ND 8 away from taking ND to OT and potentially winning. I agree that they aren't "back", as their 2011 season was unquestionably the luckiest season I've ever seen a team have. However, I'm just saying to keep things in perspective. We were extremely lucky to beat lowly Purdue this year, but we won and that's all that matters. Thanks to everyone who got their panties in a bunch and down-voted the hell out of my previous post. Didn't realize how sensitive this board had gotten.
I get your point, I was just saying tsun could have easily finished 6-7, I know we had a close call w/ Purdue. Lose that game and we're still 11-1. Purdue should have also beat ND too. ND just had a season similar to our 2002 run.
Definitely agree with you there. I can understand people drawing all of the parallels with the 2 seasons, especially considering the upcoming NC game. Even when it's Michigan, though, I hate when people discount a team's wins because "they could've easily lost if _____ happened/didn't happen". Good teams win blowouts and survive close calls. We were a shining example of that this season. Shoot, Purdue was close, and we also could have just as easily lost to Cal, MSU, and Wisconsin. However, we were a great team in terms of resiliance, and we won.
That being said, I would have absolutely loved to have seen Michigan finish 6-6. I was genuinely sad after that Michigan State game. That pass to the little white WR on Michigan was a shot to the gut if I've ever seen one.
Yeah, but you called him an idiot. Not very nice. (I didn't downvote you)
I didn't say "you are an idiot". I said "don't be an idiot". IMO, it's idiotic to criticize a team for wins. Is this seriously that big a deal?
Anyone who thinks the kid isn't good for OSU enough is foolish. He is. But he is more of a block first, pro style, TE with sure hands who can find the first down mark. Very much a Tressel era TE who would be ours if JT were here. That said, Baugh is a much better fit for this system and is incredibly talented in his own right.
There are about 10 other TE id rather have.. and if he were to play DE he def isnt close to the caliber weve got and will continue to get. I forgot about him until this thread was started.
When I see a kid commit to UM that is from Ohio, is always blows my mind. I was a football player and, like a lot of kids, I undoubtedly had my favorite team, and even if they didn't offer me, there is no way I could commit to their most hated rival. It makes me really wonder if he was as die-hard as you say. Not only that, but he had some really fantastic offers from other schools, ie. Wisconsin, UCLA, Northwestern, that are all fantastic schools and, to be honest, have put more TEs into the pros than Michigan (if that's his thing), and are either as good or better in the academic realm as Michigan.
The whole situation makes me cringe, especially since he's from Columbus, but oh well. Watching him and Baugh, I understand us not pursuing him.
Your life choices on what becomes of your future outweighs any fan level support you may or may not have. UM was the best school and program on his board, why wouldn't he take it? All this "if you were a real fan" bullcrap is stupid and short sighted.
Bingo. I'm an extremely satisfied OSU student, but had I thought that UM would've offered me a sizable scholarship, I would've applied, and I would have had a pretty difficult choice ahead of me.
This. UM is an exceptional school in a wonderful college town, if they'd offered me a good scholly I'd have at least applied and considered it; just never rooting for their football team if I chose to go there.
Not necessarily true. I don't think it's right to say "if they were real fans they wouldn't go" but I also do think that if they were as big of fans as they say they probably wouldn't. When I was applying to programs for transfer I had a big list that included schools like Cornell, Columbia, Northwestern, Chicago, WUSTL, etc. And while Michigan has a good business school, I wouldn't have applied there simply because there are other choices that are similarly or more well respected and have similar admissions standards.
I agree... You see it every year in recruiting.. Kids grow up lifelong fans of one team but go to another. Sometimes your "dream" school ends up not being the best fit in terms of your talents being used on the field... so I never hold it against anyone unless they commit to OSU and then decommit for the enemy.
-- Not to mention, Butt has a much better chance of seeing the field and actually getting quality playing time during his career at TSUN compared to OSU. Would be hard for him to pass our current TEs and Baugh is 2x the player he is. I'm happy with what we got, and with limited scholarhships I would have hated taking 2 TEs this class when we already have 2 pretty good ones who still have a couple years left on the roster.
2x the player, huh? I respect your opinion, but disagree...as do the professionals. Rivals has Butt better than Baugh. 247 has Baugh ahead of Butt. ESPN has them at the same rating of 83. I can't access Scout from work, but the point remains, that they are both pretty good and projected to be fairly even.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
The composites are Baugh's .952 to Butt's .928. With the margin for error, though, I'd agree that those are fairly comparable.
Agreed, maybe I was a little extreme w/ 2x the player... but I'd much rather have Baugh and from all accounts so far he's been better than advertised down at the AA game, catching everything in sight and is said to run like a "gazelle". Gonna be a match up nightmare for B1G linebackers.
Baugh has been making quite an impression at his all-star game, and I expect he will be moving up in the final rankings. I don't doubt that Butt is a good prospect, but it's clear that Urban got the TE he wanted.
Fair Enough. The fans were sure disappointed when Brenneman and Heuerman didn't choose OSU, if I recall. We as fans get but a glimpse of the recruiting process and what goes into coaches offering players. It's not like the coaches are reviewing the recruting websites. Some pan out as advertised, others are surprises or disappointments. If Michigan had Baugh and OSU had Butt, this discussion would probably be reversed. We both have good players, but just because one gets hype at a 7 on 7 or at an all star game doesn't guarantee anything.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
That's true, anyone is obviously going to defend their teams and players when compared to another team/players. I was never on the train though for Heuerman or Butt. Honestly I wanted Brenneman, and didn't even know of Baugh until the rumblings were coming out how he was going to committ. Then after watching his footage and reading up about him, I'm happy we got him out of all of them. Esp w/ Brenneman suffering a torn ACL or whatever.
Exactly. OSU had offers out to AB, MH, and even Josh Mc Neil, but not JB. Good get for you guys, but Urban didn't want him.
Butt...er...Baugh.
@Hail..Your such a turkey!!
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
ALLDAY - This was my point. If he was as big an OSU fan as the original guy said he was, he would've gone elsewhere. Personally, I'm a die-hard OSU fan, and if I played TE, I'd go to Wisconsin in a heartbeat over Michigan. I'd also pick Northwestern regardless of position, simply because it's a better school, in a better city, and you have one of the best coaches in the country at the helm in Pat Fitzgerald (before you flame me for that, look at the success he's had and now imagine if he was playing with Ohio State-level recruits).
If the kid decided Michigan was the better choice for him, that's fine. It's a very respectable institution and I hope he made the right choice. I'm just saying it seems impossible for me to imagine someone bleeding scarlet & gray growing up deciding to play for UM.
Then again, you can't expect every big time recruit to eventually make it to the pros... and in that case a degree from Michigan when compared to Wisconsin as you said you'd rather go to would hold far more weight and insurance to his future after football.
That isn't true at all. Accoring to the US News Rankings of National Universities in 2012 (both public and private), Michigan was ranked 29th while Wisconsin was 41st. When you're going to 2 schools like that, it's not going to make any difference when applying for a job. Now, if you know what the kid wants to study, that can make a difference either way, as both schools have relative strengths over the other. However, as a whole, it's not going to make a difference which school he goes to. They are both incredibly well-respected.
Michigan's recruiting for consulting, investment banking, asset management, marketing, etc is FAR better than Wisconsin's. It's probably as good as Northwestern's, actually.
US News is a crap measure.
Is that what the kid is wanting to study in college though? He may have no interest in business whatsoever.
I really don't know enough about college rankings to refute your opinion on US News, but what other source out there would you consider to be a better measure?
But neither do you, but there are a hundred very good reasons we could think of that would explain exactly why he picked UM rather a Wisconsin or somewhere that doesn't include him being butt hurt over not going to OSU. No reason to question the kid, who by all input is a great kid with lots of potential. No reason...
Employment information and salary information is the best measure. It's just hard to get accurate data like that, sometimes. And obviously there are programs where one school is better than another. I'm just pointing out that, even with the closeness of US news rankings, Michigan recruiting is far better for the jobs that most people gun for.
I don't think it is that far fetched. The school you love doesn't offer you and in some recruiting circles you are the higher ranked TE then whom they selected, I could see the scorned lover role being a slight factor - I'll show them. But at the end of the day Michigan has new coaches and coordinators and are playing better then they have in the past several years, on the upswing I would say at least. Lots of tradition, great school, not much downside in selecting to play your career there. It also reminds me of this, "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me." To limit your college choices based on childhood feelings for a football team seems quite limiting and silly.
I didn't say no one wouldn't make that decision, just at saying someone isn't a fan for not going to the best school offering a full scholarship doesnt make him any less of a fan. News flash for most people here, NCAA football isn't a pro sport where people grow up loving a team and base their life around their sports team. Most schools have a fan base based on alum only. OSU is blessed with fan base that transcends ones alum status. It's normal for a USC fan to go to UCLA and visa versa if its the best choice.
if someone is going question ones fan level because he chose the best option he was given I feel ba for that person...
Had to be a tough reality for Jake to face. Hate to see him go there, but good luck to your friend.
I spoke to his coach as my daughter went to his school and OSU never really pursued him. Good kid from a nice family but not as fast as Urban wants in a tight end. Good luck to Jake at Michigan except for one Saturday in November.
Kids going to Michigan helps keep the rivalry tense.
Wherever you are, there you be!
No die hard Buckeye fan goes to Michigan...He may have been a Buckeye fan, but not a die hard/ crazed Buckeye fan like most of us here. Most of us would take out talents to North Beach (Toledo / UT) if it came down to those 2 schools that offered and OSU didn't.
D. Anthony
How can you call yourself a crazed Buckeye fan and not know that Berry isn't even on the team anymore and hasn't been for quite some time?
I feel sorry for anyone who is such a "fan" that they'd lower their standards on their own future. I went to UT, so I can dog it all I want... it's no UM and never will be. No one intelligent picks a significantly lesser of a school (in most programs) because they are a "fan" of a rival school. It's a silly requirement to make to be a "real" fan, requiring the person to pick a worse choice... plain silly and wrong.
He also didn't want on of those sideline pics where he's between Philly Brown and Jamaal Berry. (Brown Butt Berry)
D. Anthony
I blame coach Liptrap. What an asshole that guy is....hey you are not bobby knight, prick.
i played for liptrap up until this year(i quit because i am going to play golf in college and did not have the time). On the court he can be an a hole, but off the court he is hilarious. And Liptrap does not coach football...
I disagree when kids don't get offers from OSU yes I think they go to Michigan due to the hate that they have for OSU BC of no offer . I'm sure thats not the only reason but it plays a factor. A small factor but it is true.
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