PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
I can't say a lot right now, but look for one or two guys to get booted from the team in the near future for screwing up off the field.
Is it merely coincidence that the "rumor" regarding Carter and Brown was posted earlier today?
Hoping that if Brown is one of them it is not the Philly version.
Maestro, agreed. I wasn't sure which Brown was being referred to, but I assumed it was Tommy.
It may have to do with the 247 article that said the meeting that caused the Twitter havoc also had to do with marijuana use on the team. 2 strike limit. Just throwing it out there :)
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Jordan Whiting also tweeted something..odd this morning. He said he "hadn't quit" and that everyone need to "cut the bullshit". That tweet is since gone and replaced "Quick break, Thank You Jesus 4 2day! I believe theres a reason things r goin on n my life for a reason n im fully open 2 the lessons!!!". I bet he's one of them.
Well, whomever they are I wish them luck in their lives. Hope they find the straight and narrow and are safe.
Interesting. Hopefully, we'll get some sort of confirmation soon. I hate to speculate too much.
Jaamal Berry seems like a prime candidate.
So Berry, Carter, Brown, maybe Whiting. Sounds like Urban wants to clean out anything bringing OSU's image down. That's my guess.
T.Y. Williams also missed the Gator Bowl for "team rules" violation I believe.
I think T.Y. will be okay, but I DM'd some of the guys at the Ozone who had no knowledge of Whiting but said Carter and Brown have not quit the team.
IM SURE THERE WILL BE SPOTS IN THE S.E.C OPEN FOR THE RIFF RAFF ..
BUCKEYE'S THE SACRED BROTHERHOOD !!
Dominic Clarke got arrested per Marcus Hartman. OVI over by my dorm -_-
I hope Urban plays the mean guy and kicks him off the team.
I dont want to sound too negative or anything. But some of the names mentioned were guys that were/are not cutting it on the football field. I believe this may be a way for Urban to, wait for it...Oversign!
Or a way to not repeat some of the same mistakes he made at Florida (he made a few.) Most believe he was way too loose disciplining his players at Florida.
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
Urban and Fickell are entirely anti-oversigning, so it's not going to happen.
Urbans comming into one of the nations top programs that happens to be under a microscope and from what i read he is at a 0 tolerance with the players and is setting the tone on where he wants The Ohio State football program to go. To my surprize when he was at Florida he was one of the few in the SEC to NOT oversign recruits so I doubt if if he'll try that in a conference that has rules on over signing.
I wasnt sure about the hireing of Urban Meyer but he seems to be saying and doing all the things we would expect from a great coach at tOSU. Another thing i didnt know about Urban is that man can recruit and who woudnt want to be apart of his goals to win multipal national titles ..
With all of that on the line i dont expect him to damage the pipline the buckeyes have with the highschool coachs by pulling an SECsigning , pushing kids out to make room for fresh talent
O H I O is the Buckeye State
He did not oversign at Fla, look at his classes. Surprisingly he's just an insane recruiter and values recruits as human beings, not commodities.
I hate to see guys leave and not take advantage of a great opportunity but the law has been laid down. Ubrz let them know what was comming if they screwed up. He can be good or bad santa. Your choice.
making the oversigning comment was purely a joke. especially considering that we complain about the other schools that do it religiously.
Well, to be sure I have no problem with a zero tolerance rule. If there are 3 or 4 guys who can be shown the door, so be it! We'll have 3 or 4 more schollies to work with. As someone said above, this program is under the microscope. If Urban shows a zero tolerance, or even 2 strikes and you are out policy, maybe other off the field stuff won't be tolerated either. Make guys think twice before they drink and drive, smoke pot, hang out with boosters, take improper benfits etc. There's always going to be guys who challenge the authority for sure, but lets have the guy set an example now.
Once again, can't drop names, but if anyone is dismissed from the team it won't be because of lack of talent....the cases we know about are strictly disciplinary things
Sorry I meant to say Urban was one of the few NOT to over sign in the SEC
Not only did he not oversign, but from what I've read & seen - IMO - it may have been something that turned him off at his former job. When he talks about the stress of "trying to fix things with the NCAA" an educated guess might lead you to believe oversigning was something about the SEC that he probably didn't love. All indications are that he cares about his players beyond just winning. Oversigning is practiced by those who only care about a gaining a competitive edge.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
I believe Florida oversigned once, but they lost a ton of players to the NFL that year.
The only time Florida "tried" to oversign was pretty recently under Meyer.
As noted here: http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/highschoolbuzz/2010/11/05/jacoby-brissett-no-thanks-to-florida-gators-greyshirt-offer/
If you want a good read on what Florida thinks of oversigning: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/02/florida_president.html
They ended up signing Driskel and Brissett to scholarships anyway. They signed large classes, but didn't oversign > 85, but now the SEC has rules where you can't sign more than 25 players to a class regardless of who is leaving. Alabama currently has 26 verbals...-_-
I am pretty sure the new SEC rule is 28. I could be wrong as I am quite frequently.
I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.
I thought it was 25, the article says that the first of the 5 proposals passed was:
• Reducing the scholarship ceiling from 28 to 25 prospects. Additionally, the league has done away with back-counting, meaning a junior college player who signs in December would count toward the number in the February signing class.
Their limit was 28 for 2 years, then they changed it to 25 if I'm reading correctly. If not someone please enlighten me.
Also looking at the other 4 proposals, it looks like they are cleaning up a lot of the issues that people from other conferences always complain about.
• Eliminating the graduate-student exemption to the rule the league has had in place for years whereby a student-athlete must have two years of eligibility remaining to transfer to an SEC school. The previous rule allowed former Oregon quarterback Jeremiah Masoli to attend Mississippi last season
This is one that I think is crazy teams can utilize, imagine where Wisconsin would've been if not for this rule this season.
Here are the other 3 for those who didn't read the entire article or don't click on ESPN links:
• An SEC school cannot sign a prospect to an SEC financial-aid agreement until that prospect is enrolled in school and a full-time student attending classes. "It's a way of dealing with early enrollees," Slive said. "It would not permit other institutions to talk to you. We want to know that our prospects are coming to our institutions."
• The conference will oversee the administration of medical hardship exemptions. The league will review each case and decide the outcome.
• Prospects attending summer school will count against the 25 scholarship total that year.
Once all these rules are implemented and we get passed a few recruiting classes, I wonder what people will be up in arms about when the SEC teams are still good.
Oh they will still be good but it will become more competitive. MSU competed with Georgia. We, minus special teams, competed with Florida. I see that move as leveling the playing field. True, there will still be tons of talent but I think having an equal number of talent to choose from and field in a 4 year period of time makes games better and more fair. If it didn't provide a competitive advantage then we wouldn't see divisions in high school football. Same concept in my mind.
Here's my issue Irricoir, oversigning in the SEC has been going on since when? The 60's? It's not new, but it's only become an issue in the last 2 or 3 years. I never once heard anything about oversigning when Ohio State and Michigan were 1 and 2 and all was well in the B1G. I never heard about it in the mid 90's when B1G teams were pretty successful on a regular basis. So how come, if this practice has been going on for so long down there, it's only worked for the last 6 years and only been talked about for the last 2 or 3? Was it less outrageous then or was it because it didn't matter, the B1G was competent. In my opinion, oversigning has only become an issue because the B1G is in the crapper and the SEC just keeps winning.
Everyone can talk about how wrong it is, how horrible of a practice it is etc, and to an extent you are right, but it's only a competitive advantage because the SEC is winning right now. I don't see how it was less of an advantage 10 years ago than it is today. Rivals has been around for quite some time now and everyone has been able to see the recruiting numbers for years now. I've never heard until recently, any kind of outrage about schools signing huge classes. I'm not knocking people for taking a moral stand against the SEC's practice either, I just have a feeling the same people screaming about it today had no comment about it 10 or 15 years ago. If they did, these new reforms the SEC passed would've happened years ago.
Sounds like Derjuan Gambrell was arrested for assault recently, and this may not have been the first time. Could be someone 'on the way out'
BT it has always been wrong but the internet has given a lot of attention to things that were previously overlooked. I didn't know anything about Oversigning until about 2-3 years ago. It just wasn't a hot topic. It took victims of oversigning coming forward and someone that was dedicated to stopping the practice to organize a site that drew attention to this problem. You say it was never a problem until now. Really? Why did the Big10 change it's rules if they believed it wasn't a problem? Why did Georgia Tech leave the SEC if they didn't see that as a competitive advantage and they refused to participate in the practice? Why has everyone (Except Spurrier whom admits it is a competitive advantage) in the SEC east made complaints and urged reform because it isn't a problem? Simply look at who oversigns in the SEC (And other regions) and tell me who has the power in that conference? It has always been a problem BT but has never been raised to the surface and given it's due publicity before now. Information sharing has increased exponentially since the rise of the internet and other social media devices.
I am not a fan that thinks that Oversigning is the sole reason for a teams success. It takes more than that to be the best but it takes people to win championships. My point remains, if I have a larger pool to choose from then the chances are greater that I will find the athlete I am looking for. Not everyone is lucky enough to land a Braxton Miller who might be the best quarterback in the 2010 class when its all said and done. He wanted to come to Ohio State. Therefore, we didn't need a large pool to find the right fit.
My opinion is the B1G has gotten fat and happy. Why do Indiana, Minnesota, and Purdue need to improve when they are making the same TV and Bowl Revenue Ohio State and Michigan are? Why is the SEC so deep? Their fans care more about winning. Even programs like Kentucky sell out all their games. Ole Miss has one of the most iconic tailgating venues in college football because their fans care more. Are Purdue fans as passionate about football as the fans at Ole Miss? I doubt it.
If there were pressure on Purdue, Indiana, and Minnesota to become a legit program again, they probably would try a little harder. I just don't see it. Until other schools in the B1G put a priority on winning, they just aren't going to be good again. Maybe, just maybe some of the schools who actually are the reason TV money is so great may put some pressure on the lower tier teams to improve. Open up their wallets and attract some quality coaches.
It's starting to happen. Michigan has done a good job, Michigan State has a nice staff in place, we know the kind of splash the Buckeyes just made, and Illinois has made some nice hires too. Until these schools put some emphasis on improving their programs they are going to miss out on recruits. That's the big 10's biggest competitive disadvantage, and as I said earlier, when recruiting numbers are basically equal and the SEC is still winning there is going to be something else that everyone is outraged about and writing blog posts about. It used to be coach's salaries, now it's oversigning, lord only knows what'll it'll be next.
I should add, while knocking Minnesota, they did make a good hire last year, maybe there is hope for them yet!
That point you are making is quite valid and I agree with you. The oversigning bit is where I am at a disagreement. It is an advantage but not the sole reason for the SEC's dominance. You are right. They do care more across the board than other Big10 schools. They care enough to cheat, form secret organizations for the payment of players, and look for every competitive advantage they can score. True enough they still have to practice hard, coach well and develop excellent game time strategies.
I don't totally disregard the advantage that oversigning could pose, just don't think it's as dramatic as everyone has been making it sound lately, I think most of that is just because their teams are winning. I'm not concerned about what they are doing that is unfair nearly as much as I'm concerned about the B1G and it's fans not taking a look at their own situation and say, what can we do to improve? So you get rid of oversigning? Big deal it won't make Purdue play better football because Ole Miss can sign 30 players per year.
That's why I don't care about oversigning. It doesn't impact Ohio State. We lost one player to Bama, DePriest. He wanted to go there instead of staying home and playing with his childhood buddy and high school teammate. That's the only player I can think of that has gone to a program that routinely oversigns.
I also get tired of the we are at a disadvantage talk, when Ohio State often leaves 2 or 3 scholarships unfilled. Arguing about disadvantage when you don't even utilize the full 85 scholarships you have just doesn't make sense, or leaving a few schollies behind to give token scholarships to guys like Archie's kid.
I've heard Derjuan is in trouble too and will most likely be gone.
Re: Gambrell, the recent interest in recruiting DBs seems to indicate that the player/s in trouble are in fact in the secondary
If a team has 12 scollys available and they recruit 25 to 28 and some cases 30 players , somehow that just doesnt look right. So what they do is find ways to thin out the 3* players to make room for the new 4* & 5* players and even get rid of some of the 4* & 5* that dont perform as expected. Not only is that an advantage but it is wrong. The advantage is that your second and third string players are as good as the first string and that gives that team great depth and most any team that can go that deep in talent is going to be at the top.
The reason the SEC is getting more attention on oversigning now is that in the past it was just a couple of teams doing it and now more than half the teams in the SEC are doing it .
Oversigning isnt the only advantage and may not be their biggest advantage when you throw in the fact that the SEC is a client of ESPN and the ESPN sports channels represent their clients well by advertising them to millions of veiwers nationwide all season long.
I credit the Big Ten for being competetive the way they have by following the rules on signing recruits and by standing strong on academics
can we get off the over signing thing? until the NCAA makes a rule that all conferences must follow, each team is going to follow whatever rules have been in place by the conference, simple as that. SEC isnt cheating, and Big ten teams arent playing by the rules (in terms of NCAA rules) SEC teams do what is allowed per conference rules, and Big Ten teams do what is allowed per conference rules. I feel like im taking crazy pills when i read some of the things people say sometimes.
Alex, are you referring to Cash?
You gotta love the way some people try to end a topic by throwing their opion in there. :)
heres my dropping the signing thing....
Derjuan Gambrell , that doesnt sound good.
Alex, whos the other DB?
Theres rumors Jeremy Cash might be transfering Xtreme
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Cash is gone.
I imagine Clarke will be punished, not removed.
Gambrell? Nothing concrete yet - but it's definitely "out there".
Not good news but thanks for the info BJ & Jeremy
Where/why is Cash leaving?
Jeremy Cash intends to transfer out of Ohio State. It has been confirmed by a university official tonight (Friday night). Now Cash will be looking for a new home. It is unknown where he will end up, but several schools will be looking to pull in the defensive back. If he transfers to another Division I (FBS) school, he will have to sit out a year per transfer rules unless he is able to get a NCAA waiver approved. Upon committing to Ohio State, Cash admitted that there were certain things that drew him to the program. But a lot has happened since then. As of right now, the reasons for a transfer are unknown. Arizona State might be in the mix to get Cash. He did visit their campus before committing to OSU last year.
So why is Cash leaving? Fear of no PT?
He was a huge get last year and seemed all buckeye.
Losing Cash would suck big time. He's s great kid, future captain type. Intelligent and hell of a football player. A lose for the program if it's true.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
I saw the program regarding oversigning on ESPN's Inside the Lines a while back, and they previewed a QB recruit, can't remember his name, that was offered a schollie to play for Miles at LSU. He enrolled, started practicing with the team in the summer, then after school had already started, received a letter(!) in the mail telling him his schollie had been revoked and he was on his own. He missed a chance to go to another program because Miles reneged on his promise of a scholarship. He didn't even have the balls to tell him to is face.
If that happened to my kid, I'd find a way to sue those effers in Baton Rouge.
I agree with comments above by some, that fans in the SEC demand more because they are more passionate about college football than fans up north. I've heard some SEC fans say "CFB is our religion." Just my opinion, but it looks like to me the B1G has become more of a basketball strong conference, than football.
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Thought I read somewhere that he has a case of homesickness.
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Now that it's official, Clarke and Gambrell are the two players I knew of when I created this thread. Officially gone for a violation of team rules, per Emig, this evening.
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