Report: Braxton Miller to Return for Senior Season, Ryan Shazier Will Declare for Draft

By Jason Priestas on January 4, 2014 at 6:08p
Miller will return for his senior season, according to a Sports Illustrated report

Pete Thamel of Sports Illustrated is reporting Braxton Miller will return for his senior season at Ohio State, while linebacker Ryan Shazier will declare for the 2014 NFL Draft [Update 10:52 p.m. Ohio State has confirmed Shazier will forego his senior season to enter the NFL Draft].

The return of Miller is significant for the Buckeyes. He is the two-time winner of the Chicago Tribune's Silver Football, given to the most valuable player in the Big Ten. Following the Orange Bowl loss to Clemson last night, Miller said he wanted to explore the process.

“I’m just going to think it out throughout the whole process and how it will go,” Miller said. “I don’t want to make a decision I didn’t do my research on.”

Although Miller made progress as a passer this season, tossing 24 touchdowns in 11 games, he was not considered a first or second round prospect for the NFL. A big Orange Bowl may have changed some of that perception, and although he played well, his performance did not quite match Clemson quarterback Tajh Boyd's, who was near-perfect in the game.

Shazier's departure is a blow to the Ohio State defense, but not a shock, either. A source told Eleven Warriors that he made his decision to enter the draft prior to the Big Ten Championship game and subsequent media reports have confirmed his intentions, even while Shazier worked hard not to tip his hand. As recently as three weeks ago, he told reporters he was "leaning towards staying."

“Playing in the NFL is something that I have been dreaming about since my days in pee-wee football,” said Shazier, a 29-game starter for the Buckeyes who has led the team in tackles for the past two seasons. “I just feel that now is the perfect time for me.”

“The coaches have really helped me to grow into the player I am today,” Shazier said. “Coach Meyer, Coach Fickell and all of the coaches at Ohio State have been amazing. I have great relationships with them and I feel as if all of them have been there for me. I am so blessed to have had them as my coaches.”

Ryan Shazier at Ohio State
Year G-GS UA A Tot TFL Yds Sck FF
2011 13-3 37 20 57 5.0 17 3.0 2
2012 12-12 70 45 115 17.0 78 5.0 3
2013 14-14 101 42 143 22.5 77 6.0 4
Totals 39-29 208 107 315 44.5 172 14.0 9

Shazier was named a first-team Associated Press All-American this season, all-Big Ten Conference (coaches and media), a Butkus Award finalist and Bednarik and Lott award semifinalist. USA Today, and Sports Illustrated also named him a first-team All-American after a campaign in which he tied Big Ten records with three conference defensive player of the week honors and with five for his career.

He finished the 2013 season with 143 tackles, good enough for 6th nationally and tied for 13th on the Ohio State single season charts. The highlight may have been his 20-tackle performance against Indiana, in which he tied school records for solo tackles (16) and tackles-for-loss (5).

Shazier notched 101 solo tackles this season to rank 3rd nationally. It's the third-highest total in program history behind Tom Cousineau's 142 in 1978 and Chris Spielman's 105 in 1986. The 315 tackles he recorded in his career as a Buckeye rank 14th in school history.

Thamel has a good relationship with Urban Meyer, so this report may carry a little more weight than most. When reached, an Ohio State spokesman could not confirm the report, however.



FROMTHE18's picture

time to call up Whitfield and get this passing game back on track Brax. Young speedsters are ready to contribute. Lets go offense, no Hyde, next man up.

HotSauceCommittee's picture

Hopefully he will grow as a distributor so the speedsters can run wild. 

Liening's picture

I like how we look at RB.  The younger players are not Carlos (who is?), but look really promising.  With the speed UFM has brought into the program, the potential at receiver looks good, too.  Hopefully Braxton's passing game continues to improve.  I see this team doing great things next year.


CharlieBuckeye's picture

Good decision in the end for the young man. If he can increase his passing efficiency and consistency he will do very well for himself in the NFL. 
To Ryan Shazier- Thank you for the dedication and tenacity you showed week in and week out.  You will be missed.

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Good luck Shazier

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osu07asu10's picture

Good for Shazier, and lets get some in 2014 Braxton.

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headina's picture

How is this down voted? I don't get some people on this site. Up vote from me. (Bring on the Down votes)


DJ Byrnes's picture

Shazier to the Almighty Browns. We could definitely use an inside linebacker with some quicks. Reggie Bush and his ilk destroyed us this year.

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RedStorm45's picture

Shazier plays OLB.

DJ Byrnes's picture

thank you for that important clarification, redstorm. but i was talking about the browns, who have somebody like dqwell jackson to partner with shazier on the inside.

shazier will have to move around in the nfl. hes not going to be a pure pass rusher or olb.

i think shazier would thrive as an ilb in a 34 defense as long as he was partnered with a thumper. hes not going to overwhelm anyone in the pros. will rely more on his mind, imho.

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RedStorm45's picture

Are you sure they won't switch out of a 3-4 in a couple years again?
Shazier isn't big enough to play MLB.  He barely tops out at 225 lbs.  He had trouble getting off blocks against MSU and Clemson.  His biggest strengths are off the edge and in pass coverage.  I think he'll be less effective if he's moved strictly inside.

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Thank you, Redstorm. Aka, Captain Obvious.

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osu07asu10's picture

There's another buckeye the Brownies could use a lot more...

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logamaniac's picture

ha not unless you want to pick him up in the 3rd rd.  last i heard browns have 2 1's and 2 3's and nothing in between.  of course theres picks after those 2 3rd rounders too.  if youre a browns fan you better be hoping they take watkins at 4 if hes available the way he played last night

Ginger_buckeye's picture

The browns have a 2nd rd pick too they have 3 picks in the first 35 picks. But I agree with Sammy but they need a qb too. 

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bigbill992001's picture

Not that Watkins isnt good, he made some very good catches, but we made EVERY respectable WR look NFL quality all yr.

Ginger_buckeye's picture

Haha yeah I was thinking the same thing. I wouldn't take Sammy with the 4th pick but i wouldn't mind if the browns took him with there 2nd first rounder

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cajunbuckeye's picture

Hands off Shazier, he's headed to the Saints.

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andyb's picture

He told after the Big Ten title game that he'd be back for his senior year.
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is it normal to sit on info like this? Why wouldn't any of the local beat writers have heard about this over the last month? 

Ekes42's picture

SI didn't sit on it.  It was in the recap after the B1G championship.

andyb's picture

Thanks, guess I'm just wondering why this is "news" now then. 

Ekes42's picture

No problem.  I think its just news because he told SI he was coming back but he wouldn't say it was 100%.  To me it just seems like the SI report from today is just selectively using the first half of the quote since he did say he was returning.

FROMTHE18's picture

Michael Bennett goin or stayin? 

luckynutz's picture

Really? Bennett played pretty damn well this year considering the shoes he had to fill. Big hank was a big run stuffer...bennett is not prototypical size. But the dude could get upfield and put some pressure on the pocket. Not to mention he became a leader up front. Can't believe you would say this. Just ridiculous.

Spider1944's picture

Luckynutz, I agree with you on Bennett. He plays his butt off and he plays hurt. I hope if the kids that read these blogs understand that all school fan bases have knuckleheads that don't have a clue. 
GO BUCKS!!! Bring on NSD!!

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RoyWalley's picture

Hopefully going.  We need a defensive tackle who can make more than 15 solo tackles in 14 games. 
Come on buckeye fans, it starts with defense, and he is not the answer.

cplunk's picture

I'm not sure you have a clear understanding of the role of a defensive tackle.
It isn't to make tackles......
Defensive tackles doing their job result in two stats, neither of which go on their personal sheet: increased sacks by speed ends who otherwise wouldn't really have an edge to get around (I.e. Noah Spence) and, more importantly, increased tackles by the linebackers to whom they channel the direction of the play (I.e. Shazier).

d5k's picture

The linebackers make the tackles closer to the line of scrimmage as well if the DT is eating up the OL.  He had a lot to do with our run D holding together despite the huge pass D problems.

CPDenn's picture

Not sure what games you were watching. Bennett was a heck of a player this season. 7th in the conference among DL in tackles for loss, had a knack for getting pressure on the QB. Bennett is far from being a problem for this defense, and is only going to get better next season.

Phillips.449's picture

Good luck to RDS!  I would have made the same decision if in his shoes.  As for Braxton......

TheBadOwl's picture

Upvote for Breaking Bad. I just started season three a few days ago, I'm hooked.

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My sons got me the final season for Christmas.... and I just finished the series.
Buckle up my friend.

Brutus's picture

So nice to see Walt and Jesse smiling. This was pretty much the last time either of them had anything to be happy about.

D-Day0043's picture

Sad that Shazier never got to win a bowl game. I don't blame him for wanting to get away from this dumpster fire defense. It can't be much fun playing when the defense sucks so bad.

andyb's picture

I doubt he's trying to "get away" from anything. He got his papers and is a top 10 LB in the draft...if the defense was shut down all year and we won the national title I think he would still be leaving don't you?? 

D-Day0043's picture

He has been contemplating coming back after the Michigan State loss and was actually leaning towards coming back. Then he watched his team get torched yet again and probably said fuck it I don't want to sit through another year of this shit when I can go get paid.
If we had won the title, which we didn't, so it is a moot point, of course he would have left. I'm just sad he never got to win a bowl game while he was here and got punished for what other players done last year, when the players who committed the offense got to play in a bowl game. 

andyb's picture

The second part of your post is accurate, I also feel bad he never got to experience a bowl victory. But the first part is you taking leaps in your head (probably what YOU would think) You can't know what his thought process is in making this decision. And I can guarantee you the bond he has with this University and his teammates is so strong that they could have won zero games and he would still not have said "Fuck it". 

D-Day0043's picture

Lol! So you say I don't know what he is thinking, but you do?

andyb's picture

I never said that I did, but it's pretty fucking stupid to think that he's just so tired of it all and just can't play another down for this "dumpster fire" of a defense. Not everyone is a whiny little bitch quitter. 

D-Day0043's picture

"And I can guarantee you the bond he has with this University and his teammates is so strong that they could have won zero games and he would still not have said "Fuck it"."
My bad. You said I can't know what he's thinking, but you can "guarantee" what he is feeling...
Whatever dude, you're just looking to argue. 

andyb's picture

you are right, I love a good argument.

andyb's picture

for the record, I'm not the one giving you DV's

D-Day0043's picture

I could care less about down votes. I won't lose any sleep if I am not popular with a bunch of people on the internet.

D-Day0043's picture

Isn't leaving college early before you get your degree and going to the NFL when you have a year left of eligibility technically quitting?

andyb's picture

It is, The important factor is not that he left or "quit" but why. That's where we differ in opinion. 
btw this is the last thing I am going to say here. It's getting really dumb.

D-Day0043's picture

That's alright. If everyone had the same opinion on everything then discussion would get boring.
Peace :-)

justanotherbuckeye22's picture

Great linebacker's for next year,our  defense should be kick ass with the  right leadership.

WrightBuckeye's picture

Thank you RDS! Alright next man up, let's get this D figured out in the off season. I fully expect a dominant D to sink the midshipman!

bigbill992001's picture

Im curious.   What makes you think the D will be dominate?   IMHO, half the problem was with the DCs.   I love me some Luke, a true Buckeye thru and thru, but I think its time for him to go.   In 2 yrs, we still havent figured out how to defend the WR screen or short passes in the flat, nor how to tackle after those passes are caught.   We made every QB and every decent WR we faced, except maybe FAMU, look like 1st round picks.   And now we lose Roby and RDS.

joshsummers02's picture

I don't think Luke needs to go.  He can stay and coach the LBs.  He can keep the title as long as the new D coordinator does the play calling for the D.

bigbill992001's picture

That might work, as long as he's not gameplanning

joshsummers02's picture

This is what I expected.  I figured Braxton's NFL grade would be low and Shazier's would be too high to pass up.  Let's hope the O-line will be good next year, and our young linebackers can play.  I think (hope?) 'Kwon will come in and play solid, and that Mitchell will be able to step up and use his great athleticism to become another good one.  Perry has played pretty good.  We have the pieces, but it's up to the coaching staff to get these young guys ready.  I know some people are saying bad things about Miller (and Philly, Roby, and even Shazier), but we should just appreciate these guys and be grateful.  Could have been a worse year - we could have gone 7-6 with a loss in the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl.  At least the future is bright.  Now, I am really looking forward to finding out who will replace Withers as the new D coordinator - important hire.  If this season teaches us nothing, it should reinforce being humble.  Too much smack talk from Buckeye fans when we haven't accomplished anything under Meyer yet.

logamaniac's picture

hope its an open true competition with barret and jones in the mix through spring ball

TheBadOwl's picture

You're kidding, right? I'm all for competition but the job's Braxton's. If anything, do an open competition for all of the receiver spots and the new linemen.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

logamaniac's picture

Uh all I said was open the competition up. If fsu hadn't we certainly wouldn't have known about famous jameis. Seems to have been ok for fsu. 
Im not asking to replace him but if Barrett is better then he needs to play. 

d5k's picture

You know you can put any conclusion after a false if condition.  You could have said "if Barrett is better then pigs can fly" and it would be just as true as what you said technically.  A RS freshman will not beat out one of the best college football players in the country.

logamaniac's picture

That's an asinine exaggeration of what I said

CPDenn's picture

Jameis Winston was one of the best, if not the best, QB prospect in the country in his class and was given a year of seasoning. He also wasn't coming off a major injury like JT is. And to boot, he wasn't battling someone who had won back-to-back offensive player of the year awards in their conference. And considering they wouldn't replace Braxton with any other QB in the conference, it seems pretty far fetched that Barrett would even have a minor case to replace him.

logamaniac's picture

I didn't call for a replacement I just said I hoped there could be a competition. Braxton seemed to perform better during the season when urban even hinted at the idea he might put in KG. 
Since you want to disregard everything I said because jameis was considered a top recruit at the position I'll point to another heisman winner that won his RS freshman year by the name of manziel. 
If the talent is there it shouldn't be shelved because of an incumbent, it doesn't matter who it is. 

teddyballgame's picture

It will be an open competition for 4th quarter playing time.

ohst8buxCP's picture

I'm all for giving your opinion on here but in this case.....


captain obvious's picture

The only open competition Braxton should be involved in is for the Heisman. So many so called fans on here think the backups should be starting. I'm confused are they at practice everyday? Do they have knowledge we don't? Are they better talent evaluators than Urban?
Getting Braxton back makes us a top five preseason team next year.

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Actorjonnyb's picture

No...but everyone in the nation watching last night, including my wife splitting time between the tv and online poker, saw Brax was done after the last TD and hit he took. We didn't have a freshman backup. We had a 5th year proven senior who should have been in there. coaching blunder.


bigbill992001's picture

You might have a point about putting KG in, at least for a series and see if Brax could have recovered.

logamaniac's picture

Add that barret who many consider to be the successor of miller with a more a capable passing attack was redshirted this season due to tearing an acl his senior year of HS and therefor was unavailable to yield any snaps. 

OSUStu's picture

I'm glad to hear Braxton will be back. IMHO it's a good decision for him, the team, and all of us.

Best of luck to Ryan Shazier on what is sure to be a terrific NFL career.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

buckeyedood1987's picture

Glad he's coming back, but I just don't see him developing  enough into a effective passer for us and definitely not the NFL. I hope to see a much improved Defense next season one way or another,  they have to figure it out.

Actorjonnyb's picture

if it hasn't happened b now with that line and Hyde as a distraction, it isn't happening


BrewstersMillions's picture

I don't know if I've ever seen a player at OSU I've loved watching more than RDS. He grew leaps and bounds each season. No doubt he'll be the next great OSU NFL Linebacker. As for is always great to have a senior signal caller but with someone like Miller at the helm, with his dynamic game changing ability, OSU will be a threat. I won't fall back on my stance, he needs to improve as a passer. There are so many weapons on this roster. Lets get them all used! Welcome back Brax, best of luck Ryan!

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teddyballgame's picture

I'm happy if it's true.  I want Braxton to go out on a good note.

WOLFofOHIO's picture

Well that's good news..good luck to for braxton man..have fun..I can't even imagine how much he's had to deal with in the last 24 hours..go out. Go on a trip..I hope braxton has a place to clear his mind from all the aftermath of the game last night. But good news all around.

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741's picture

I'm interested in seeing Shazier's actual height and weight as measured at the combine. I'd bet money he's not 230lbs as we speak - I'd say closer to 220. I love the player, and hope he comes back, but I have a hard time believing he's an early second rounder. He's built more like an NFL safety than an NFL linebacker.

Brandon26841's picture

Yeah, right now he's probably right around 220. He'll probably measure in at 6'1 7/8ths and around 236-242 pounds at the combine though. Thousands of dollars are on the line; players ALWAYS are able to bulk up in time for the weigh ins. They'll feed these guys 6,000 calories a day if they have to.
People are worried about Bridgewater's size too but I guarantee he'll be 220-225 by the combine. 

d5k's picture

I'm not a nutritionist but I think he would fail a PED test if hes 240 at the combine.  That or he would have love handles.

RoyWalley's picture

Dam it.  We needed Miller to go and Shazier to stay.  O well, another disappointment.

Olemissbuckeye's picture

We needed Miller to go like we need a hole in the head.

gneptuneproductions's picture

Braxton Miller has scored 85 career touchdowns and has roughly 8,346 total yards in his career and you want him gone? Are you high or just incredibly stupid?

Bucks43201's picture ya, please reconsider

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seafus26's picture

I was ready to see our new receivers and athletes get a chance to catch balls on the run and see what they can do. Gotta wait another year for JT Barrett

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BuckAlum09's picture

Stop the madness please... it is time for Braxton to change positions or move on. I feared this watching Braxton's freshman and sophomore years meanwhile watching the amazing Denard Robinson fizzle out due to injuries, run first mentality and a lack of passer ability/development.
Braxton will not play a snap of NFL QB. No matter if he leaves now or next year. That's just cold hard fact. He's not Russel Wilson... He's not Colin Kapernick... He's not even Terrelle Pryor or Troy Smith. His has NOT improved all that much as a passer overall. He does not negotiate a collapsing pocket with his eyes down field nor does he hang in to go through his WR progressions. As a 3rd year starter... These problems remain. What makes you think it'll click in his 4th year?
His TD pass last night to Heurman was called "beautiful" in the other article?? Were you watching the game? If you were you would have seen a wide open heurman have to stop, turn around, catch it, then take off running again. Or the should have been walk in TD for Philly that wasn't to be because he had to stop and fall down in order to catch it at the 2 yard line? Underthrown or Overthrown is the Braxton norm... Hitting in stride is the aberration and has been for 3 years.
It is time to develop our team for 2015 and it starts this coming 2014 season. New line, new RB, new defensive backs, a LB corp that has not proved anything outside of an exiting Ryan Shazier (moment of silence). It is time to develop JT Barrett. If Braxton stays, it is time to put him at the Hybrid HB athlete position. The only shot we have at a Title and the only shot Brax has at the NFL.

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Brandon26841's picture

Braxton probably gives Ohio State their best chance to win, but I agree... coming back another season will do next to nothing as far as his progression and him ever becoming a legitimate NFL QB prospect. There's just way too many flaws in his game to correct in a single season. He's played / started in almost 39 games; that's a TON of experience and he looks nearly the same as he always has.

d5k's picture

Wow really.  He couldn't complete a pass his freshman year.  The offense was Dave, QB draw rinse repeat.  Were you one of the guys that said Urban's offense looks like the Tressel/Bollman offense in early 2012 season?

a.buck's picture

Miller may never be an NFL QB but lets not sell him short either. Yes I know that his stats the last 4 games were flat but he has gotten better every year and I expect he will continue to improve.

Olemissbuckeye's picture

"Braxton will not play a snap of NFL QB. No matter if he leaves now or next year. That's just cold hard fact. "

This is a textbook example of an opinion, unless you have a time machine. You don't have a time machine do you? If so can you prevent Brax from making a few throws last night? Maybe get in Philly's ear?

I'm skeptical of Miller as a pro qb at this point too, I just am not sure you can say he will never play. Pryor is armpunting around in Oakland so who knows.

Buckeye80's picture

Improvement like Troy Smith made from his junior to senior year could be possible. Urban says he doesn't know Braxton's ceiling, but he hasn't reached it yet. Let's hope he reaches it. I'm glad he's back, that's for sure. 

buckeyenobility's picture

I'm going to say this with all due respect, but if you really think that Braxton needs to be moved from QB then I question your football knowledge. You are really going to compare Denard throwing the ball to Braxton throwing the ball. We are talking about a quarterback who has won two consective B1G offensive player of the year awards and your comparing him to a quarterback who's calling card was the arm punt. Do you not realize that the coaching staff tells him to run the majority of the time? Do you also realize that other than Philly, our recieving core is pathetic?
Number two does it matter that he is an NFL qb right now? I would love to see these other quarterbacks in college that are sooo much better at dealing with pressure. Mechanics wise he is miles above where TP was and also remember that Braxton's freshman year was being coached without Tress.
Last thing, I'm just confused how you say that JT Barrett would solve the issues. You are talking about a guy that has had no college snaps and missed the majority of his senior year, and you think he is better than Braxton.
It sounds to me that you have the same viewpoint like the people that wanted Kenny Guiton to play this year. I just don't understand why Braxton gets all of this blame and it annoys me to no end. Once again I was not trying to bash you, I'm just trying to understand why he gets so much blame

d5k's picture

The dude ran for 1000 yards in back to back seasons and threw >60% completions and made lots of plays in the passing game.  We need better separation from receivers not named Philly Brown who is off to try to make an NFL roster.  If Braxton improves like he did this year he could go down as the best QB in OSU history.  But yes, anyone who thinks Braxton is a bad QB is a complete idiot.  And his flaws in the passing game are mental not physical.  He has a terrific arm and mechanics just needs to have a better rapport with receivers not named Philly Brown as I mentioned.  There's no reason why when he buys 15 seconds in the pocket there shouldn't be receivers improvising and creating huge plays.  But in reality there is going to be legit competition for a lot of spots on this team.  QB is not a problem with Brax back.  You guys are like Cowboys fans that hate Romo but on crack and bath salts.

BuckAlum09's picture

I realize I didn't state this in my original post but I am thankful for everything Brax has done for Ohio State. He is an incredible athlete and we are lucky to have him. I truly believe that. He will obviously lead us and carry the load next year which is not exactly the best thing for him. He already said he's tired of being hit. He's already questioned the play calling. Well guess what, our Offensive Coordinator did not trust him to throw the ball on 3rd and 5 in Indianapolis for a reason. If they thought he could execute that play, they would. Instead the best chance braxton gave us was to Run the ball. And we saw how that works against an ACTUAL defense.
Our defense this year did not have Braxton's back when he struggled. I understand that too. Not his fault. I also agree that Devin and Philly are not elite and that doesn't help Braxton either. Guys I am not blaming Braxton here. I am speaking for his benefit and OUR benefit for the future.
I never once said JT is our answer to the problem. I said it is time to develop him and our rebuilding team for the 2015 season using the 2014 season. Don't put words in my mouth. We are rebuilding. There will be a majority of young new low minute faces all over the field next year. Braxton's leadership and experience will be invaluable and I've never said anything different.
With a new line, new RB, new receivers... Braxton will be running MORE, being hit MORE, being pressured MORE and will have new young and inexperienced faces to throw to. My comparison to Denard is the prolific athlete that got his durability questioned by taking too many hits that hobbled him, having to do too much with his legs and inevitably ruining his senior year. After so much early career promise and potential. In that regard, you cannot argue my analysis is spot on. Brax missed 3 games this year, missed a crucial overtime comeback last year (bless you Kenny), got hobbled against Nebraska his freshman year that inevitably sank our ship behind the BauserBomb. Next year he WILL be hit more. He will be relied on more. Guys, these are just facts... Be objective and drop your bias and see the big picture here. 
Questioning my football knowledge for saying Braxton needs to change positions (for his sake) is laughable and I could say the same about you. Have you watched the NFL in the past 10 years? If he wants to play in the NFL it will be at a slot receiver/hybrid RB position like a Pierre Thomas. Braxton is, right now, the most dynamic RUSHER in college football IN SPACE. (maybe not power up the middle but that's not my point here) My recommendation to switch him is to help him in his well deserved professional career. If he wants any chance at a pro career. And evidence, statistics, NFL trends support my stance. So with all do respect you can take your judgment of my sports knowledge and throw it on a sticky note and place it on your bathroom mirror.

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

Madaris32's picture

Braxton looks like someone who is trying to be manufactured into a qb. He just doesn't look right back there. Hopefully he'll improve in the offseason.

Ivan Madaris

Crumb's picture

Best of luck Ryan! Thanks for everything! Thanks for coming back Brax! Miller for Heisman in 2014!!!

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FROMTHE18's picture

Itll be interesting. Braxton is so prone to injuries and we have no Kenny G. The 'safety net' is gone. I hope Herman and Braxton both realize this and really work on being smart with the playcalling and decision making respectively. Braxton has GOT to figure out how to properly read defenses pre and post snap, figure out how to work the pocket and when to scramble, and when to keep the ball and run or throw it away. One of the more frustrating things about him is his need to try and make a big play. Sure, when its on its nice, but a lot of times he keeps the ball and gets tackled for a loss. This sucks for two reasons: loss of yards and an extra hit on him. A lot to work on so hopefully it all gets sorted.

d5k's picture

Like you mentioned it wasn't just Braxton.  When Clemson brought a double corner blitz to the same side, our WR's just ran their deep routes down the field rather than having an automatic hot/sight adjust.  Basically the blitz beater is "hey Braxton make a play".  I feel like the offense is great when ahead of schedule and when you start stringing together first downs the play calling steamrolls teams.  But when behind schedule in obvious passing situations that is the biggest problem and no team is great in those spots but I would guess we are very average without having stats in front of me.  We don't really have a robust passing game that attacks all areas of the field but we have a tremendous play action passing attack due to the running game's attention.  When we have 4 guys on the field that can catch a screen pass or short hitch or crossing route and take it 10-20 yards I think this aspect should get much better.

buckeyenobility's picture

Yes Yes Yes Glad to see there are other people that are seeing the same things I see. I don't know if sight adjustments are in the playbook if they are than I am disgusted in their ability to read it. I think we really have two main issues on offense.
1. When the defenses are loading the box, we have to be able and willing to throw the bubble screen. Part of the reason why Carlos could not get going in the 1st half was because they were loading the box.
2. We just have to get better at receiver. Devin will probably never be anything more than a deep threat. Spencer is a good blocker but not much else. Michael Thomas, Jalin Marshall, Corey Smith and our other young guys have to improve.

d5k's picture

The good news is all 3 of those guys redshirted.  They saw enough out of Devin and Evan early in the fall that they didn't feel those guys would be contributors this year.  They mostly didn't want liabilities in the run blocking game if I had to guess though.  And being "just a deep threat who can block" is still theoretically a valuable piece to have out there.  I also hope there's stiff competition for those spots along with the entire back seven.  Let the cream rise.

PittBuckeye's picture

So when Brax needs some time off we get to see Cardale actually throw a pass downfield? I'd like to see that.

ek68's picture

Both Braxton & Shazier are making the right choice. Braxton needs another year to learn to make his reads quicker & to better tune his passing skills. This young man has made a lot of progress &  another year with Herman will only help. To Ryan, wish you all the best and I believe your making the right choice. Has nothing to do with not wanting to play out his senior year, but being a late 1st or 2nd round pick is a no brainer. Can you say "Show Me the Money".




Balkestud's picture

Whether this report is accurate or not, I absolutely agree with both decisions. First Shazier, he doesn't have enough sand in his pants to play they way he does. I don't know that I have ever seen a linebacker his size play like Dick Butkus. He plays like he thinks he is 250 lbs which is probably his greatest asset. If he can learn to take care of his body and get in the right situation, I honestly believe he can have a Derrick Brooks like career. Braxton has has has to dedicate this offseason to learning how to PROPERLY read defenses. He does not have to carry the ball 10-15 times a game to be effective. 5-7 well timed running plays a game would maximize his abilities as well as keeping him injury free. If EJ Manuel is a NFL quarterback, there is no reason in hell that Braxton can't be. Hopefully we have the coaches who are up to the task

It gets kind of rough in the back of my limousine,
Sean Balke

ohiowhitesnake's picture

Ever since his freshman year, playing on one leg against ichigan, I loved watching this kid.  Hope the best for him. Good luck RDS, go make us proud.

Sean N's picture

I thought Shazier had already left.  Dude was invisible last night.
Best of luck. A lot of good memories with him.

Knarcisi's picture

Mike Mitchell and Trey Johnson, get your butts ready!  And Kwon/Booker/Berger/Hubbard, come in ready to play. 

ScarletNGrey01's picture

No surprise at all that Ryan Shazier is entering the draft, he gave it 100% on every play, he's ready to go to the next level, good on him.  If Braxton stays I think he's making the right decision, not because I'm a biased buckeye homer (and I am) but he needs one more season to improve his passing and decision-making skills, and it would be nice to get his degree also.  If he had been making pinpoint passes all season long from start to finish, I'd be the first to say he should take that next step.  He's an elite athlete, but not quite an elite QB yet, hope he does come back and stays injury free and has an amazing senior year.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

J.Mo's picture

Shazier isn't going to improve his draft stock anymore by staying another year. Going Pro is the best choice for his career.
Braxton definitely can. He needs to show he learned to throw the ball away when there's nothing there and he can't scramble for a gain and needs to show he matured more and can make better decisions.

Eric1347's picture

Invisible is the norm for this guy against teams with a pulse, against lesser comp. shazier can put up great numbers, buckeye homer nation can be in love with this guy but fans who know the game see shazier for what he is... Average at best, he may get drafted in the 1st two rounds but he won't be around long,as a browns fan I wouldn't take him in the 5th round....DRAFT BUST!!!!!!!!

bhardy22132's picture

As a browns fan, I will take all the help we can get to make the browns a better team. 

cajunbuckeye's picture

As a Saints fan, I feel for both of you.

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

Balkestud's picture

Eric, you clearly don't know football. In this defense he was the only guy who could make plays in the back 7 and he knew it. Watch when he gets in a situation where he only has 1 or 2 responsibilities, where his speed and toughness will make him a huge asset...idiot

It gets kind of rough in the back of my limousine,
Sean Balke

nm_buck's picture

"buckeye homer nation can be in love with this guy but fans who know the game see shazier for what he is... Average at best, he may get drafted in the 1st two rounds"
Drivel.  If he gets drafted in the 1st or 2nd round, he's not 'average' by means... and especially by those who earn a living making that call.
But in the interest of free speech... don't let that stop you from more worthless observations. Carry on.

flabucknut1's picture

Thank god that you don't make position changes and the depth chart!!!!!

Jim Rhoads

tracyre's picture

you really don't know what you're talking about.  When you have a very debilitated backfield all season and kids constantly not in position you have to understand that this kid was watching out for MANY positions in addition to his own.  It's called being a team player - watching out for the entire back field not just his own position.  UNSELFISH.   Does that make sense? 
He's not a huge guy and he isn't perfect but last night was a perfect example.  You had first timers and freshman in, that kid was protecting all of that field. 
get a grip!

buckeyenobility's picture

So all the nfl draft experts that say Shazier will be a first round pick are wrong and you are right? This is a player that had better numbers than Manti Te'o last year and had way better numbers than C.J. Mosley this year. Average at best? You just gave one of the dumbest analysis I have ever seen. 

chirobuck's picture eric....maybe you should try a sport more your speed that you can watch and about tennis?

^ best post ever ^

st pete bch buckeye's picture

I like how it fades out comments....maybe we could add a mushroom cloud for anything more then -20

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

I'm very happy to hear that Braxton will be back for his senior year.  I'm hoping that he can lead the team to a big bowl win and a B1G championship to help make up for the down feelings at the end of this season.  He's still a great football player.  I'm glad he is a Buckeye for another year! 
Sad to hear that RDS is going to the NFL early.  I wish him the best of luck.  He is also a great player.  I hope he has a great career in the NFL! 
Go Bucks!!

bucknut94's picture

Best wishes for both. I believe B. Miller will be a great asset and leader next year.

CPDenn's picture

Hearing some of the people on here say that Braxton hasn't improved at all over the course of his time here is laughable. If we look at his numbers in conference play, his completion percentage has gone from 49.5, to 56.4, to 62.3 during those three seasons. His yards/attempt in conference play was relatively the same this year as last year, but he threw 12 more touchdowns. Those are just a couple of examples. If you want to say you aren't thrilled with how much he has improved, or expected more, that's fine, but to say he hasn't improved at all is downright false.

tracyre's picture

agreed.  Anyone who says that has no IDEA what they're talking about.  His ability to stay in the pocket and get cozy in there versus taking off was a HUGE improvement.  MASSIVE.  That's one example alone.  He had a lot of room for improvement still, yes.  But his accuracy is better, and he's beginning to read the field better and go thru his progressions a bit more. The jump he made from this year to last was big.  
The future is bright with another year under his belt.  I firmly believe this.
Yes, he can be frustrating to watch but he deserves better than some of these clowns are giving him. 
I'm not looking at anything thru rose colored glasses but with a calm head. 

ATXbucknut's picture

If there was any question on Devin staying or going...

Knarcisi's picture

Yeah, Dev, thanks for that news ... 

FROMTHE18's picture

i didnt give it much of a chance that Devin would go pro. He would be a late round draft pick. I dont think his stock will rise that much unless he develops into a WR that can get some serious YAC.

Osu2105's picture

If he really considered leaving that's kinda laughable. Not trying to bash the kid but he would not be drafted this year. He will have a chance to help himself a lot next year without Philly as he will be the most experienced returning receiver

ChazBuckeye's picture

Good luck to RDS and Welcome back Brax360.  Now, let's see if he can get better at reading defensive backfields as opposed to wanting to run if option one and two aren't open (he has to start to use his progression vs good teams, not teams like Purdue and Indiana).  No matter whether he comes back or not, if he wants to win a NC and make it in the NFL, he HAS to learn to read the defensive backfield before hiking the ball.  This is real talk...flame it if you must, but you know it's spot on.  Urban Meyer QB's have yet to make it in the NFL besides a throw first run second QB in Alex Smith.  That also is real it or not.

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

Brutus' Left Nut's picture

Being the starting QB of a playoff team is "making it" in the NFL.  There are very few QBs in the NFL and every QB that is a perennial starter has made it.  Peyton Manning and Tom Brady don't come around very often...
With some of the better QBs being guys like Big Ben, Flaaco and Romo being from small time football programs, the pool of starting QBs per college coach is very small.
Another thing I thought was interesting, if you look at the list of starting QBs, 3 of them are from NC State (Russell Wilson only played one year at Wisconsin, so I still think of him more as a NC State guy).  Rivers, Glennon and Wilson.

jbirmmd's picture

I agree both are making the right decisions. Wish Shazier would have come back and bulked up to become a top 5 pick. Ho,wever, I don't like the "I'm leaning toward staying" BS. If you don't want it known just say your not saying until such and such date. I don't like the deliberate deception stuff.

As for Brax, he CAN become a more polished QB, the coaches just need to make it a priority as a staff.

flabucknut1's picture

I know that I'm at the bottom of the posting , but whoever goes to the Browns(Clowns) they will ruin anything that they touch. I have been following the Browns before the first NFL Monday night game in Cleveland against the Jets... That's  a while back for you beginners. Since they have been back after the Corpse in Baltimore and  The Wizard went with him and Biledick went to New England , we have had a curse from Arts Hatred and Mike White screw ups , if you can remember these guys. Trade all of your picks for cash and get out of the game. Please do not take any Buckeyes with any picks. These guys have been through enough shit in their career and do not need to end up in the the Stadium that is built on a Fucking Garbage dump... I really glad  with our new recruits. Now we can play with Urban players and and hopefully get some defensive coaching help.      I love you Buckeyes!!!! we will be alright and we get the  national Title.....  Urban will get everything straightened out. Go Bucks!!!!!!

Jim Rhoads

TonyK's picture

Next year is going to be a great year.  
With the recruits we have gained in the last two years on the defensive side of the ball and an offseason (tOSU weightlifting program in the offseason),  I think the defense will make a huge improvement.  Joey Bosa training all spring at the college level?  He is already a stud and was in high school at this time last year.  Vonn Bell played great yesterday in my opinion, he showed good instinct and HE TACKLED REALLY WELL.  There are so many solid young players Urban has stockpiled.
C Hyde will be hard to replace on offense, he is a BEAST and I hope he has a great NFL career, he really grew up and played hard 100% of the time.  However with Braxton coming back and the playmakers we have stockpiled, watch out.  Same as the defense, offseason weightlifting program and training will really help out the young guys on offense who show great promise.
2014 is going to be a special year.

d5k's picture

I expect the game plan throughout the season to be more balanced only because we don't have Hyde and a veteran O line in addition to a more seasoned passing attack with Brax+WRs.  This should help when we get in the big games against teams that slow down our running game.

northcampus's picture

OSU fans can argue all day long about the pro's and con's of Braxton Miller's game, but finding a way to get Miller through games with less hits has to be a priority in 2014.  Regardless of the opponent, when #5 goes down, the mindset of the entire offense/team/stadium/viewing audience instantly changes from a comfortable confidence to uncomfortable anxiety (even with Kenny G waiting in the bullpen).  Who knows where Miller will project in the pro game, but keeping him upright throughout 2014 will benefit OSU's season and Miller's pro prospects.  Braxton Miller in 2013 was (to me) the most emotionally stirring individual performance since Clarett in 2002 because every snap had the chance for disaster.  That wasn't the case at FSU, Clemson, Louisville, or even A&M in 2013.  This isn't a knock on Miller, but just a suggestion that his body may not be built to take the abuse that a running QB built like Newton, Tebow, Boyd, Pryor, or Vince Young could take at the college level while running 10-15 times per game (I don't consider Winston, Manzell, or Bridgewater as 'running' QB's as I do those listed above).  Considering OSU is replacing 4 starters on the OL, #5's health should be something to really watch as we roll into league play.

Aesculus.'s picture

UPDATE!  Braxton no so sure?!?

Cleveland Plain Dealer -January 04, 2014 at 8:35 PM
Thamel also reported that quarterback Braxton Miller will return to Ohio State for his senior year, but Miller’s father, Kevin, told later Saturday evening that his son has yet to come to a final decision. An Ohio State spokesperson could not confirm or deny the reports about Miller’s future.

Sounds like its a soft stay....for now.

11/8/2014 @Michigan State aka Payback

d5k's picture

Typical media have to be like that guy on Youtube... "FIRST!"
Here's my guess, he was reporting the Shazier story then looked back at the first half of that comment by Braxton in early December and decided to throw it in the article.

BuckeyeJosh's picture

This is actually good news that Braxton is staying. As ready as I am for a new qb, it gives jt barett (or cardale) some playing time without much pressure, and hopefully he is allowed to throw unlike cardale this year.

"Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it."     -Woody Hayes

Condor's picture

I believe if Braxton comes back that it will be a breakout year for him. This year wasn't it. He needs that before going pro. He has to be a QB in the pros (that's the only position where your at least designed not to get hit 95% of the time). From what I've seen his body won't hold up at any other position where your expected to get and give hits on a regular basis.
if he doesn't come back I wouldn't be surprised to see JT and Cardale split time, at least for the 1st half of the season. There may also be less drama if he doesn't return. I didn't think some of his comments about getting hit too much in the days leading up to the bowl game helped anything.
I also hate to see Carlos go, but I have full faith that EzE has the potential to become our next Heisman winner. That kid's a winner.
even though he got burned a couple times, Vonn Bell provided a spark. I can't wait to watch him every Saturday next year.
Even though the defense was really bad last night, I kind of expected worse (I just thought the O would do better than they did). I attribute at least some of the D's spirit to Vonn and Tyvis and Marcus.

"Do not fear me gypsy, all I want is your tears."

 -- Borat Sagdiyev


Travis's picture

I'm gonna root for you Braxton, but damnit you better learn how to throw that damn ball and you better learn to read good defenses.
I'm pulling for you, you got a job to do and it's not like you won't have the weapons to do it.
It's time for the EZE-Dontre era to begin.

They need a 2 to tie, a 3 to win it; Sylvester for threeeee... OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHH WITH FIVE POINT ONE TO GO!!!

CPDenn's picture

That damn-near whole new offensive line is going to have to make sure he's got the time to read the defense and get the ball to those weapons. 

d5k's picture

I really would like the all-22 film because it seemed to me that he's looking at blanketed receivers a lot.  Philly is the only really complete WR we put on the field this year, although Devin and Evan have their strengths.  Not just the EZE-Dontre era but perhaps the Marshall and Corey Smith era as well?  Might rotate more guys next year although Urban tends to pound his starters once they win the job. 

BassDropper's picture

Glad Braxton is coming back. As much as I love his running ability, I hope he take a page from Troy's book and becomes more of a passer his senior year. I think he will will for a couple of reasons. 1. He needs to stay healthy and has even hinted that he doesn't want to run as much and 2. He desperately wants to play in the league and be a top draft pick, he knows what he needs to do.


zebiraross's picture

Braxton isn't the problem, it's lack of receiving talent that can't create separation and get open. We had a lot of talent that could of helped out tremendously this year imo that got red shirts because the staff tried to show loyalty to upper classmen.

Time to wipe out the recieving core (or whats left of it) and throw in Thomas, Marshall, Clark, Corey Smith, Brown, Dixon etc.

Our main problem was obviously defense. Even with a average Buckeye defense we would of been looking at actually competing for a NC.


CPDenn's picture

There was a reason that the younger receivers weren't playing this year, and it wasn't because of 'loyalty' to the upper classmen.

buckeyenobility's picture

Normally most people in football will say that receiver is one of the more difficult positions to make the jump from high school to college. I think that has a lot more to do with that then how good our upper classmen were.
We had ONE good wideout this year and that was Philly.
Devin Smith is useless when doing anything other than running fades.
Evan Spencer is good at blocking and thats it.
Chris Fields had one good game his entire career. 
We have to get better at that position very quickly.

CPDenn's picture

Urban has repeatedly stressed that in this offense the receivers are going to have to be great blockers. And while I agree about Spencer and Fields, they are great blockers, as are Smith and Philly. Until this new crop can block the way the staff wants, they won't get as much playing time as their raw receiving talent might indicate they should get.

buckeyenobility's picture

You are absolutely correct when it comes to Urban stressing good blocking from the wideouts. We just need to have a better balance of that and good route running. If we can find decent guys to run the intermediate routes, then I think Devin Smith won't be exposed as much.

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

So let's look at the big picture for our offense in 2014.
What Braxton won't have:

  • Brax is no longer going to have Carlos Hyde or Jordan Hall to hand off to.
  • He won't have Philly Brown to throw to.
  • 4/5 of the line will be gone.

What Braxton will have:

  • A dangerous Dontre Wilson to work with in passing/rushing situations. They will have to work on their chemistry in the off season and hopefully that will be a tandem nightmare for defenses.
  • Evan Spencer and Devin Smith will be the top 2 WRs as well as TE Jeff Heuerman.
  • Someone will rise as RB be it Rod Smith, Eze, Dunn, or Ball but definitely not Dontre.
  • An entire off season to work with Urb and Herman and all the players above to develop a new offensive game plan that will hopefully involve a better pass attack.

I remember when Troy Smith progressed as a passer, he was always finding the open guy no matter who it was. His progressions were faster as he improved and he also became better at reading the defense. Brax has a lot to work on but nevertheless he is very talented and can really shine next year if he builds some strong chemistry with his receivers much like Troy did with Gonzales, Ginn, and Holmes.

BamaBuckeye144's picture

I'm mostly concerned with what the defense has to work with. Starting with the DC and working your way down. We need Linebackers, defensive ends, corners and strong safeties.
Honestly, the offense could be vanilla and I wouldn't care as long as we have a stout defense. Talking with my pops last night, we reminisced on the impressive run of defenses we've had at Ohio State, mostly referring to Jim Tressel's era end ending there too. I miss that comfort of knowing we could play defense.


buckeyenobility's picture

I feel like we have good talent on the defensive line with Spence, Bosa and Marcus so d-end will be fine. Linebacker is a huge question mark going forward hopefully Raekwon can step in at mike linebacker. I feel like we will be fine with Vonn Bell at strong safety (why he saw no playing time this year we will never know). Corner is probably the deepest position on the team going forward. Just imagine if we could have the Tress era defense with the offense now.....

BuckAlum09's picture

Is anyone else skeptical that the decision still remains "undecided" considering the Braxton comments were made to SI after the Big Ten Title game... Since then he was hit hard and injured AGAIN against Clemson.
I'm skeptical to fully believe that he is coming back until he himself tells us.

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

CPDenn's picture

I'd have to find the tweets but I'm almost positive that there were a couple of different outlets with other sources that were telling them Miller is coming back.

Whoa Nellie's picture

Hope he's not having second thoughts about returning because of reading on 11W that he's a drama queen/diva with a glass jaw, too stupid to read defenses, physically incapable of throwing an accurate pass, should not have been starting or playing ahead of Kenny G, and should be in an open competition for his job against a red shirt freshman.

“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”

OSU069's picture

Haha. This post perfectly exemplifies how ridiculous some of out fans can be.