Monday Skull Session

By Luke on May 16, 2011 at 6:00a
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Good Monday to you and yours 11Warriortariat. This is neither a "Manic Monday" nor a "Blue Monday" but rather a "Monday" of the only ilk and variety that should exist. Crank the good tunes, enjoy the good times, and confuse your boss by starting to drink at 9 a.m. When he asks what your damage is, apologize for partying sardonically and crank the Wilco. If he doesn't join you, you're working at the wrong place anyway.

Pretty quiet 'round yonder this weekend, in the best way possible at that. No silly scandals lazily suffixed with '-gate'. Your sweater vested fearless leader lawyered up but still has more than enough time to practice the Oscar worthy cross examination about the Pontiac Tempest's tires (FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOT A REFERENCE TO THE DISPATCH STORY OF LAST WEEKEND).

Special shoutout to the Men's Tennis team for advancing to the round of 16 in their respective stomping grounds. Let's dive into the weekend that was. *BOOSH*

TROLLGAZE2k11. Like many of his coaching co-patriots, Georgia's Mark Richt (along with Bulldogs' head hoops coach Mark Fox) is hitting the speaking circuit before summer ball/responsibilities becomes too all encompassing. From one such tour stop appearance this weekend in Greenville, South Carolina, the UGA head men found a sensitive subject around these parts brought to the table:

But the mood of this crowd turned early, during a question-and-answer session, when a fan asked Richt and men’s basketball coach Mark Fox what they would do to prevent Georgia “from becoming an Ohio State.”

It was Fox’s turn at the microphone. But moderator Chuck Dowdle stepped in and said Ohio State’s main problem was they “have a head coach who’s not truthful.”

Then he said pointed at Richt and Fox and said Georgia didn’t have that problem.

Fox, who just completed his second year in the SEC and probably doesn’t want to make too many waves, answered by saying people forget that the NCAA rulebook is thick and changes every year. Then he spoke about educating players to “think and not act, and not act and then alibi.”


“I have yet to visit a tattoo parlor in Athens, and don’t plan to,” he said, to laughter.

Pretty good zing, Mark Fox-bro. Speaking of honesty moderator Chuck Dowdle, in the spirit of, perhaps you should heed your own advice and set the top of your head free. Not sayin', just sayin'. 

 Your golden dry cleaning will be ready in never hundred hours. Following the controversy that may ultimately result in the 2010 season being vacated, Gold Pants club president Jim Lachey (yes, that one) is having to put the breaks on the usual early awarding of last season's swag. The reasoning is as follows:

"We're dealing with some outstanding issues that we've never had to deal with before," Lachey said.


"If they vacate the win, it makes no sense to award the gold pants, at least in our minds," Lachey said. "And if you hand them out and say, 'Oh yeah, we'll need to get them back if the win is vacated' - I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be a smart way to go.

"And I'll be honest: We don't want to see any 2010 gold pants on the market right now."

It's some serious weak sauce it's come to this but I can't fault Lachey and co.'s line of thinking in the least. He ultimately goes on to state that in the future the organization may wait to award the memorabilia until players' eligibility have been fully exhausted. Count this among the better by-products of the mess the program finds themselves presently in. 

 Lots of L's but lots class to boot. Say what you will about Lloyd Carr. Perhaps his time in A^2 had organically reached its conclusion . Maybe his approach/dynamic had run its course in terms of his ability to get Michigan in the mix at the level their passionate fan base commands. Regardless, you won't find many better men in or around the game of college football. The national championship coach appropriately had quite the weekend worthy of his admirable career. In the same night he learned that he'd been named to College Football's Hall of Fame, Carr also had a wing of hospital named in his honor. So what'd you do this weekend? Much deserved for a solid coach and an even better guy.

DOYEL ANGRY. RAWWWWWWWRRRR. Speaking of The Vest's legal counsel, humanity's watch dog Gregg Doyel thinks this of his choice of hire:

Jim Tressel and Ohio State are the latest alleged NCAA offenders to lawyer up in a way that makes sense for them -- but makes a mockery of the system.

Both have hired former NCAA enforcers who moved to the other side of the aisle. Now that they've left the prosecution for the defense table, these former NCAA insiders are able to find loopholes in the NCAA rulebook one of them helped write, or in the enforcement manual partially written by another. Or they use their cozy relationship with people still at the NCAA -- textbook, meet conflict of interest -- to find a way to minimize damages.

Truth in jest. Let us pray no one ever tells Mr. Doyel that former lobbyists often find themselves appointed to government positions to make policy implications in their previous fields.

 Gallimaufry. Video games are getting a bit violent (see: awesome?) these days... Basically every boss ever... Truest depiction of the internet ever... Kinda bummed I didn't get my invite... You look great, bb!


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OHIOinME's picture

Tressel may have lied, with supposed "honorable" reasons, only he knows the true reality to his desicion .  But Chuck Dowdle, you could have just said, "We don't' want to comment about Ohio State's situation, it isn't our place to, but we feel we have coaches and players that know their responsibilities and understand the consequences behind a bad decision".  

Making a statement about a man you probably never met and a judgment of character based on one incident is ignorant, stupid and classic SEC

No doubt Tressel made a bad desicion and no doubt he should get severely punished.  But what does everyone think, he was protecting the players so he could get a few wins?  Like games wouldn't be taken away for playing ineligible players?  What, do you think he thought a federal investigation involving his players would never be made public and the NCAA would never find out.  He knew this would all come out, he knew true justice would be served with all the players involved getting punished, it would all come in time. 

At this point, I truly believe he was concerned for the safety of the players and he didn't want to interfere with a federal investigation.  If you look at his actions with that in mind then they make more sense.  I believe the reason why he didn't say anything after it all became public because he "thought" he made the right desicion with regards to the protection of his players from criminal elements involved in the federal investigation and he felt justice was served with the players' punishments.  Tressel allowed true justice to take it's natural course while protecting his players and not interfering with a federal investigation.

Maestro's picture

Excellent post.  I love how people have completely chosen to forget that there were extenuating circumstances surrounding the emails that JT received.  It was far from a cut and dry situation, and not one created by Tressel in the least.

He lied and deserves to be punished for signing the NCAA's paperwork, but the other facts of the case are relevant as well.

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I don't really even find fault in signing the letter....cant say you are aware of potential violations without saying what they are and can't say what they are without revealing the investigation. Where I fault JT is not coming out and revealing his knowledge of the situation in December when the whole thing broke. I can see mitigating circumstances to this point.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Denny's picture

The lobbyist comparison is quite apt.

I wonder how fast the turnover rate is at the NCAA compliance office - if it's anything like the US Patent Office, I'd bet the turnover is high. There are plenty of people who work at the PTO for three to five years, learn the system, and get propositioned by people on the outside who can benefit greatly from their knowledge - I know plenty of chemists and biochemists who have done exactly that and gone from ~$70k a year at the PTO to $200k to become a patent lawyer for pharma. It'd surprise me zero to find out there's a similar revolving door at the NCAA.


cronimi's picture

The same thing happens with DOJ and IRS lawyers.  Spend a few years with the gov't, then take a lucrative job with a big-time law firm representing the people you formerly opposed.  It's the way things work, and Doyel is a jack*ss for trying to make it appear unseemly.  By his logic, Tress and OSU should appear before the NCAA without representation, plead nolo contendere and beg for mercy. He is an a$$hat.

doodah_man's picture

No seriously, Tress should, instead, hire on someone with NO expericience with the NCAA, a newbie, right out of law school. That would make it all better and Tress less guilty.

So what Gregg Doyel is saying is if you make over a million a year, you encounter an alleged violation that may affect your "over $1.0 Mill job position, you should not shop for the best representation you can afford. I love how these morons can keep making decision on behalf of Tress and tOSU.

Cronimi is abosulutey correct, Doyel is an A$$hat.

Jim "DooDah" Day

"If I were giving a young man advice as to how he might succeed in life, I would say to him, pick out a good father and mother, and begin life in Ohio.” --Wilbur Wright, 1910

M Man's picture

I want to assure all of you; if Gregg Doyel could not pick on Jim Tressel as a result of his choice of counsel ("lawyering up"), Doyel would have imagined another pretext.  I know this for a fact.

Because when Rich Rodriguez and Michigan faced down the NCAA, Rich Rodriguez was represented by Scott Tompsett of Kansas City, who is NOT a former NCAA infractions attorney.  Naturally, that never did Rodriguez any good with Doyel; Doyel was the perfect assclown whom you all know, no matter what.  Doyel found other reasons to pick on Rich Rodriguez.  As he would have with Jim Tressel.

Meanwhile, the University of Michigan DID retain Gene Marsh, without a peep from Gregg Doyel about the propriety of a former Committee on Infractions member representing an NCAA member institution in the course of investigation cases.

Of course, if Gregg Doyel had a single functioning brain cell or an ounce of integrity, he might have taken a moment to look into why it was that Michigan was facing Major Violation allegations as a result of a single dubious newspaper story.  But Gregg Doyel didn't do that.  Only a handful of smart journalists did that.  Gregg Doyel is not a "smart journalist."

Gregg Doyel's modus operandi is to claim that the NCAA doesn't work very well, and (as often as he possibly can) that big-time NCAA football coaches are disgraceful, lying hypocrites.  That's what Gregg Doyel does.  The details don't matter.

Gregg Doyel and his online editors might have thought that his column attacking Tressel might have struck a nerve of popularity with Ohio State's rivals.  Sorry, Gregg.  You are the same stinky loser you've always been.

Maestro's picture

Clap, clap, clap

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feltre's picture

Ohioinme - You must be living on Fantasy Island if you think your rationalizations bear any resemblance to reality.  If Coach Tressel had not been concerned with wins, he could have suspended the 5 for unspecified team rules violations.  Protecting the players and handing out appropriate punishments could have been accomplished without impeding the federal investigation and would have kept the OSU reputation intact.   Tressel is not OSU and at this point I don't believe you can be loyal to both.

OHIOinME's picture


Like I said, Tressel made a bad decision and it deserves to be punished.  My point is a bad decision from time to time doesn't always warrant a burning at the stake.  And you are right he could have done a better job in protecting players and tOUS reputation; that is why it's called a mistake or a bad decision. 

I do not think he was concerned over wins, he knew they were in jeopardy by knowingly playing ineligible players.  I think he was more concerned with the potential dangers his players were in; I'm not stupid, I know he could be lying about this too but I don't have any reason to assume that he is.  The reputation of the football program and athletic department are both in trouble, but in time they will be fine.  The University research isn't going to be effected. 

Also, I believe that one can be loyal to both the School and Tressel.  Would you disown your son if his buddy spray painted graffiti on a wall and when the cops showed up your son said he didn't see anything?  Then later, you confronted him after seeing spray paint on his clothes and he confessed to knowing his friend did it.  Not the best expample but I think you get the point. If you let one mistake label a person then you should never be a leader.  At this point in time, I don't see a trend of huge mistakes and gaffes from Jim Tressel.  If more information comes out that JT has his nose in more dirt than I can reassess his character and my judgment of him. So far, most everything I have read in the past has referred to JT as a good person with good character.  If we let one big mistake erase all of his past then what's the point of being a good person? 

Lastly, if you think Tressel is lying about protecting his players from harm then you must think he is still lying.  That means he is now lying to all of Buckeye Nation.  I hope he is not and at this time I don't' have any reason to believe he is still lying. 

feltre's picture

I believe that he is trapped in a web of lies and is still lying.  The one glaring hole that your argument doesn't address is that although Tressel knew that the players deeds would eventually come to light, he didn't believe his e-mails would.  He knew that the players deeds would only make them inelligible from the point that they were discovered and I believe he made a calculated decision to delay their inelligibility to win games in a season that could have ended in a national championship.  It was only when his e-mails were discovered that the idea of "protecting the players" was put forward.  At this point, if Tressel were truly a team player, he would have resigned.  Now his selfishness is taking tOSU, loyal supporters like you and even those who don't support him down with him.

btalbert25's picture

Truth be told, I wouldn't be shocked if he was trying to cover up info for wins.  In the current climate that is pretty much what coaches have to do these days.  Not saying it's correct, but the leash isn't long on these guys when they lose.  Hell there was a website dedicated to the firing of Tressel before all this mess started. What isn't known for sure though, is did he forward this info on up the chain and was the ball dropped there?  In that case, him staying around and taking the bullets for the program so some of the lack of institutional control label didn't get handed to the Bucks. 

We dont' know the whole story, all we know is he Effed up royally.  Do I think it was for honorable reasons, probably not.  Would I be shocked if he was trying to protect the kids?  Absolutely not. 

Maestro's picture

I think we were separated at birth Ohioinme.

Your sentiments have been my stance in this whole affair on another less Buckeye-centric message board.  As you can imagine I am seen as a blind homer there.

People will say things like, "I understand that you don't want your coach to be punished".  Actually they are completely wrong.  I do want to see him punished.  He did the crime and he should do the time.  That is what happens when mistakes are made.  Someone pays for them.  I don't think we need to throw out the baby with the bath water though.

He will come back stronger and wiser in my opinion.

Of course I always understand that if further information comes out to show us that Tress really is a scumbag I will change my stance, but at this point he deserves a chance to serve his punishment and come back.

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Another Jason's picture

Are you sure that a suspension for "violating team rules" would have been an acceptable move?  They violated NCAA rules, and the NCAA would have to have been told about it, at which point it's kind of their decision as far as what is revealed, isn't it?

Not saying he did the right thing or wrong thing here, just not sure if this solution is really viable.

feltre's picture

You're right, they would have needed to go to the NCAA eventually, but if they had suspended the players when they knew about the infractions, I think that the NCAA would be much more likely to accept the argument that they didn't notify them because they were protecting the players.  There would have been no lie, just an understandable delay in notification.  I believe the NCAA would have accepted time served and moved on.

Kyle's picture

As an Ohio ex-pat and proud Buckeye alum living in Atlanta, I will say many UGA fans and grads are not of the troll variety (at least when juxtaposed against UF or Bama fans) but they are also desperate for some success and since they can't beat Florida or South Cock for that matter they are lashing out like over-tired children.

btalbert25's picture

They should just watch what they say.  I've always considered Richt to be the same kind of man as Tressel.  Being a major player in NCAA football, their day may come as well.  Knocking Tressel is fine, but in my opinion if the NCAA h as reason to come looking, they can find something at any University.  Better not get to high on the horse in Athens, it's a long hard fall off.

Tommy's picture

Georgia become Ohio St.?  You mean the flagship, powerhouse of a major conference, perennial BCS Bowl participant and national contender in both major sports, and the 2nd highest grossing athletic dept. in the nation?

I'd say Georgia's been trying to become "like us" for awhile now.