I think this guys podcasts have been talked about a couple times, but this is a good listen. A couple weeks before this he ripped on Ari Wasserman for an article he wrote. Last week, this was the podcast:

Maybe its because Im quarantined, but Ive never been more worked up listening to a podcast. This is so deeply flawed and wrong it makes my blood boil.
If its not talent gap, what is it?
You want to take shots at me in previous shows? Have me on, see what happens. https://t.co/ePcv4y0eRl
— Ari Wasserman (@AriWasserman) March 24, 2020
So he was invited on the podcast to discuss talent being an issue to ttun. I think Steve handled himself well, but it was sweet to hear him argue that Ohio State has "mentally defeated" them. He tried calling the shoe stealing "Sparty garbage"... seems like it's their garbage though? Worth a listen.