The 11W Heart of It All Classic: Politics & Military Region Semifinals

By DJ Byrnes on March 28, 2014 at 1:00p
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Hide the kids, hide the wife: It's a grown man banger in the semifinals of perhaps the most stacked region in the tournament.

All four have blazed a path to the Sweet 16, but only two will remain after this. Can Tecumseh topple the 18th President of the United States, Ulysses S. Grant, or is a U.S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman throwdown all but assured?

Oddsmakers say it's #2 William Tecumseh Sherman who will be the toughest out, but John Glenn could be the darkest horse remaining.

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Your full bracket is here (PDF), while the vote totals for round two can be found here.

#1 Ulysses S. Grant vs. #4 Tecumseh

Ulysses S. Grant: Former Supreme Commander of the United States Army, Ulysses S. Grant was instrumental in securing the B1G's first and only Civil War championship over the SEC.

Not satisfied with merely being reveled as he drank his way to the grave, Grant ventured into politics and became the nation's 18th president. 

Paul Tibbets, the pilot of the Enola Gay, was no match for Grant in the first round. The man who made Robert E. Lee bend his knee advanced by a score of 1,188 to 63. The nation's 27th president, #8 William Howard Taft, was no match in the second round either; Grant trounced him with 89% of the vote.

Tecumseh: Native american icon and folk legend, Tecumseh, has the oldest Ohio roots in the tournament. The Shawnee chief spear-headed the formation of a Native American Confederacy in order to resist the American government's expansion into Ohio.

Tecumseh was also the first Ohioan to sack Michigan, as he was instrumental in the capture of Fort Detroit in the War of 1812. Had his brother, ironically-named the Prophet, not picked a fight with William Henry Harrison at Tippecanoe, American history could have been written with a much different pen. Tecumseh was slain in the Battle of the Thames in 1813.

In the first round, Tecumseh tattooed militant abolitionist John Brown, 907-339. His round two foe, the decadent #12 Warren G. Harding, was conquered with a score of 705-303.

#2 William Tecumseh Sherman vs. #3 John Glenn

William Tecumseh Sherman: A Big Ten and Ohio legend, Sherman replaced Ulysses S. Grant as Supreme Commander of the United States Army. A supreme tactician, it was Sherman who convinced Grant to let him deviate from the script and bring total war to Georgia. He said he could make Georgia howl, and boy, he was not wrong.

With people dismayed over Grant's grind-it-out style, it was Sherman's scorched-earth March to the Sea that finally broke the Confederacy's back.

Sherman treated his round one foe, abolitionist and Underground Railroad conductor, John Rankin, like he was Savannah, Georgia; Sherman bulldozed him, 1,440-114. Sherman continued his March to the Finals with a resounding victory in round two, defeating #7 George Custer, 935-91. 

John Glenn: John Glenn is a former astronaut most famous for becoming the first person to orbit the earth in 1962. He is the only surviving member of the Mercury Seven, the program NASA used to train elite astronauts for orbit.

Two weeks after President Kennedy's assassination, Glenn returned to his home state to run for senate. It's a position he held from 1974 until his retirement in 1999. He is one of the most beloved politicians to this day.

Woman's suffragette Victoria Woodhull was no match for Glenn's prowess in the first round. Glenn rolled to a 1,171-83 victory. The former astronaut continued his smooth orbit in round two, defeating #11 President McKinley with 87.44% of the vote.

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shamgod's picture

Even if the Tecumseh's brother hadn't screwed up, the U.S. was eventually going to wipe out the Native Americans anyway. That's what makes Tecumseh so cool—a genius and visionary going down with the ship. A perfect tragic hero.

Voted for Grant cause he killed a shitload of racist traitors.

+4 HS
BuckFly's picture

Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, originator of the power spread offense, speaking at his press conference 

Look to the (SEC) and you who went with us through that land can best say if they have not been fearfully punished. Mourning is in every household, desolation written in broad characters across the whole face of their country, cities in ashes and fields laid waste, their commerce gone, their system of labor annihilated and destroyed. Ruin and poverty and distress everywhere, and now pestilence adding to the very cap sheaf of their stack of misery.

-Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, the man who left a 60 mile wide, 300 mile long path of death and desolation across GA and up through SC.

 

+4 HS
route4buckeye's picture

Sherman v. Grant will be epic.

+2 HS
hodge's picture

For all you need to know about William Tecumseh Sherman, check out his written response to the city council of Atlanta, who asked him to reconsider his order to burn their city:

"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war [...] I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect and early success. But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for anything. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter."

+15 HS
brandonbauer87's picture

Very enlightening, thanks. 

spqr2008's picture

Sherman was so up in the SEC's head that he was the first president of LSU.

http://www.lsu.edu/visitors/history.shtml

+2 HS
BucksFan2000's picture

No mention of Glenn being a Marine Corp pilot in his bio?  Getting a little short-changed there.  Served in two wars, NASA legend, long time Senator.... not sure why this one isn't a rout.

+8 HS
BuckeyeLaw's picture

I agree. I spent an hour and a half with Senator Glenn and his sweet wife, Annie, in his office when I was at tOSU and you would not believe the stories he had. For instance his wingman was Ted Williams, the baseball player, and the Senator tells a great story about how Ted Williams almost got him Courts-Martialed. 

OSU 2011 - Toledo Law 2014

+4 HS
BucksFan2000's picture

Awesome.  If you get a chance to read his autobiography, I highly recommend it.

JLP36's picture

59 combat missions in WWII

63 combat missions in Korea, some with Ted Williams as a wingman.

First supersonic transcontinental flight in history in 1957,

Then went on to make history....

JLP36

+5 HS
brandonbauer87's picture

Sherman v. Glenn is going to be a close one. It took me longer to decide that one than any other so far. 

+1 HS
jamesrbrown322's picture

How can Tecumseh lose? For love of pete, Sherman was named after him! That's a no brainer! It's s shame if Glenn doesn't win. He was a truly great American hero!

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

+3 HS
hodge's picture

Tecumseh is probably my favorite Ohioan of all time, but in terms of accomplishments, he's lacking compared to Grant.  Even though his unremarkable presidency was tainted by scandals, he still won the Civil War.  Tecumseh lost.

+3 HS
jamesrbrown322's picture

They always put on that outdoor Tecumseh production not far from my home town. We went every summer. As a kid, it was epic. So, I may be a little biased. Either, great Ohioans.

I am glad 11W did this. It's pretty entertaining. I'm surprise History Channel hasn't thought of it...

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

hodge's picture

The writer of Tecumseh!, Allan W. Eckhert, wrote a phenomenal book about Tecumseh and Simon Kenton called The Frontiersmen: A Narrative.  He poured over historical records, and wrote a corresponding narrative to go along with the events described.  

Even though the story of Blue Jacket being a white man (Marmaduke Van Swearingen) has been debunked, the book itself is a riveting and fantastic read, telling the dual, intertwining storylines of one man who would conquer the frontier (Simon Kenton) and one man who would fight to save it (Tecumseh).

+2 HS
BuckFly's picture

Be sure to read his follow up book "A Sorrow In Our Heart: The Life Of Tecumseh".  It's even better than "The Frontiersman", if that's even possible. 

+2 HS
SOF_Buckeye's picture

I was somewhat disappointed that Simon (Butler) Kenton was not on the original list, as he had much to do with settling and taming the Ohio country. In my opinion the premier frontiersman (Boone had better PR; but was not interested in settling the areas, whereas Kenton did. Pretty awesome read. Eckhert's books were very informative on this era of American history.

"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes

+1 HS
Jabba the Hoke's picture

One of my favorites, I've read it a few times over the years. I've read a few other Eckert books, but The Frontiersmen is my favorite. I've even got a signed copy.

+1 HS
cronimi's picture

But didn't Tecumseh fight AGAINST the U.S.? That's one of the main reasons why I voted against him. Similarly, if Robert E. Lee were born in Ohio, I'd have voted against him too. Not sure how you vote someone the greatest Ohioan if that person actively, lethally opposed the very concept of Ohio as a state. 

hodge's picture

Interestingly, if Lee were born in Ohio, he'd have never fought for the Confederacy.  His only reason for taking up command of the Confederate Army was his loyalty to his home state: Virginia.  He wasn't philosophically aligned with the Confederate viewpoint, he merely identified himself more as a Virginian than he did an American -- which was quite common for his time.

+5 HS
OSUStu's picture

I have a hard time finding fault with most anyone defending their land and culture from the imperialistic tendencies of a government or another people.  Tecumseh and the Shawnees did what I think most of would do in the same situation: defended their way of life.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

+4 HS
nm_buck's picture

Which is precisely what the Confederacy tried to do.  With the same results.

+1 HS
OSUStu's picture

I suppose. Except one culture was inherently evil. Not really comparable.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

-1 HS
nm_buck's picture

Uh, excuse me?  "Inherently evil"??  Less than 3% of all southerners owned slaves.  They fought for states' rights... not for the institution of slavery.  They were no more evil than their racist hypocrite counterparts in New England and Washington.  Even Lincoln was a racist.

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OSUStu's picture

Yes, the system of slavery, the basis of the southern agrarian economy for hundreds of years, was inherently evil. Regardless of the percentage of slave owners you want to throw out there, many many more Southerners were party to that system. You might as well have said 5% of Southerners were rich white guys. That would be about as meaningless.

And, slavery was the issue foremost among the state's rights cited by the seceded states themselves. But you just dismiss it?

And, yes, slavery and the support of that institution are more evil than racism alone.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

jamesrbrown322's picture

He didn't fight against the U.S. nearly as much as he fought for his land and his people who had been here for generations.

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

+4 HS
thirtytrap's picture

Tecumseh didn't do anything that I wouldn't do....All the Way...For those who understand

 

MackRM408's picture

The Dry Goods needs a T with Gen Sherman on it

+4 HS
Poison nuts's picture

Wow - these are some tough votes to make. I ended up with Grant & Sherman, but it wasn't easy. Those words by Sherman that Hodge posted were pretty powerful. I see Sherman as the overall winner in this bracket & possibly the whole tourney, which btw is a totally awesome idea. So, right on 11W - good stuff!

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

hodge's picture

You could make the argument that Sherman was the father of the "Total War" philosophy that dominated warfare in the first half of the twentieth century.  His "March to the South" -- probably inspired, in part, by Russia's defense of Napoleon's forces in 1812 (which also were the inspiration for Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture") -- would be mimicked throughout both World Wars.  

Hell, that letter could just as easily have been Truman's defense for dropping the bomb.

+4 HS
Hovenaut's picture

I went a sports (football) fansite, and a friggin' military and political throwdown broke out...

Man, pretty torn over these two matchups.

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

+2 HS
PittBuckeye's picture

I am a huge civil war buff, and have read plenty of stuff about Sherman, his life, tactics, and everything around him. I know as well as most many downfalls the man may have had (covered in the last one of these pretty well I think) but I still am a huge fan.

Glenn deserves to run away with this one. Not even close really.

nm_buck's picture

Always wondered why NASA didn't allow Glenn to continue his career in space.  Alan Shephard did.  So did Schirra.  They say it was because they needed a vocal political advocate but I ain't buying it.  He did have a mild freakout while orbiting... with strange firefly-looking phenomenon outside the Friendship 7.  Little things like that bothered the brass.  Ask Glenn's best friend Scott Carpenter, who was grounded because he used too much fuel despite ground control's orders.  He overshot the landing area by more than the entire state of Ohio.  One and Done.

BuckFly's picture

Did Woody develop his disdain for the media after reading Sherman?

"If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast.

-Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman

+6 HS
German Buckeye's picture

As a proud graduate of Tecumseh High School (near Springfield), I would love to vote for him....but the military man in me will take Sherman and Grant.  A great bracket none the less.

BuckFly's picture

Since this is the Politics/Military regional, here is the scoreboard for the contestants:

Ulysses S. Grant 1-0-0, Civil War.

William T. Sherman 1-0-0, Civil War, All BigTen & All-American for ravaging the SEC.

Tecumseh 0-2-0, defeated by the Continental Army, and later by the U.S. Army at the Battle of Thames.

John Glenn 0-1-1, Korean Conflict stalemate, later lost in the primary in his bid for the presidency.

The choices are obvious: Grant and Sherman advance!

Buckeye in Illini country's picture

Glenn also flew combat missions in the Pacific during WWII (so that makes him 1-0-1 at the worst, he was a senator for 25 years; who cares that he lost a primary).  And the first American to orbit the Earth.  He gets my vote for the entire region for sure.

Columbus to Pasadena: 35 hours.  We're on a road trip through the desert looking for strippers and cocaine... and Rose Bowl wins!

+3 HS
BuckFly's picture

Gen. Sherman arguably saved the nation with his epic thrashing of the South, breaking their will to continue the war.

While John Glenn was the first American to orbit the earth, he finished second to the Russian, Yuri Gagarin.

The Greatest Ohioan cannot finish second. Vote for Sherman. 

+1 HS
hodge's picture

Gagarin was the first human in space — Shepard finished second. Glenn was the first human to orbit the Earth, no one was second to him. 

SOF_Buckeye's picture

Using your standard, I've made some corrections

 Ulysses S. Grant 4-0-0, Mexican War, Civil War, Won 2 presidential elections..

William T. Sherman 1-0-0, Civil War, All BigTen & All-American for ravaging the SEC.

Tecumseh 0-2-0, defeated by the Continental Army, and later by the U.S. Army at the Battle of Thames.

John Glenn 1-1-1, First man to orbit earth, Korean Conflict stalemate, later lost in the primary in his bid for the presidency.

The choices are obvious: Grant and Sherman advance!

"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes

Angry Panda's picture

voted Tecumseh....because...well I like him...but Grant should win. I mean really Tecumseh wasn't really an Ohioan in his mind...he is because of his ancestral tribal land overlapped, but to him was he was a Shawnee

+3 HS
ScarletNGrey01's picture

Had to go with the two G's ... Grant and Glenn.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

jamesrbrown322's picture

Sorry, tough to vote for an Ohioan who was fine with slavery. Maybe that's just me, but that's why Sherman didn't get my vote. He was a southern sympathizer and supported their right to retain the slaves. However, he opposed separating the Union. Thus, I don't find him that great.

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

nm_buck's picture

He didn't support the institution of slavery so much as he supported states' rights.  Sherman couldn't stand the hypocrite politicians from New England who were using the abolition movement as a means to force the south into financial servitude.  (which they still do to this day)

Sherman was the MAN.

+3 HS
Buckeye Chuck's picture

I picked Glenn over Sherman because when you get right down to it, Sherman was still subordinate to the other person I voted for.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

gravey's picture

Sherman baby.  Gotta tank named after him that helped kick some Nazi tail too.

 

+3 HS
nm_buck's picture

You mean the "Ronson" tank?  lol

johnblairgobucks's picture

Grant was the President when our country mended from a Civil War, monumental point in the History of our country, up vote.

Glenn was brave enough to put himself in a pressurized metal box and get launched into outer space for a long period of time. his faith in his fellow man's craftsmanship and thoughts, that allowed him to push the boundaries of exploring space says a lot about him.  It would be cool as hell to go into space, but it would also be one nerve racking event..... I don't know if I could actually do it.    Vote to Glenn