Good list here. Thomas Edison will prly be the No. 1 seed tho.
Wait until Mike Bianchi finds out Urban Meyer was playing an alien (Ryan Shazier) all these years.
Sorry, but a death wish on somebody like the KKK is not worse than racism.
Sherman and Tecumseh are locks. Just a matter of their seeding, IMHO.
Thankfully (I guess?) it's an MCL and not an ACL.
IN NO ORDER, THIS IS FINAL. CLOSE THIS THREAD DOWN PLZ.
CFB basically has a monopoly on the best trainers, facilities, etc. To say "they have the choice not to play," is a red herring. Where else would they take their talents after high school? The CFL? Lol. (Feel free to hold your breath on the next No. 1 draft pick taken from a CFL team.) Elite athletes are funneled into the NCAA.
Again, not saying they don't enjoy perks. But scholarships don't cover the full cost of attending a university. (Athletes also can't have jobs, by the way.) A former WVU player is suing the NCAA and the power conferences for basically capping scholarship amounts at sub-full attendance numbers. That's a monopolistic practice, by the way, which is why the kid is going after them through anti-trust laws.
You act like these "perks" are given out of the kindness of the NCAA's/school's heart. Why do you think they get all these perks?
A son born of a millionaire is privileged. Granted, a lot of these kids are gifted athletic skills, but the path to college/NFL is littered with talented people who refused to grind. You're underestimating the amount of work that goes into becoming an NCAA star. It doesn't work that way.
And no, I'm not comparing this to child labor, which seems to be your characterization of my argument. I'm just saying, with billions being rained on the sport from TV companies to ballooning coaching salaries to half-billion dollar stadium expansions.... to think the same package as a tennis player gets is befitting of somebody like Braxton Miller or any starter on the football team is hilarious.
Let's say Braxton earned $50,000 (through TV money alone) a year on top of his scholarship? How does that ruin the game? Isn't being paid what you're worth the basis of the American economy? The lack of empathy is mind-boggling to me.
And with that, I've over-stayed my welcome in the comments section on this thread. We could post for the next 12 hours and I doubt we'd accomplish much. If you'd like the last word, you're welcome to take it.
Agreed on the horse leaving the barn. TV changed the game in a way I don't think anybody could have anticipated.
1. The market would determine the value of Braxton Miller's worth compared to a tennis player. The same way it determines Urban Meyer's salary dwarfing Ty Tucker's.
2. You can't hate the player, Andy, you gotta hate the game. Nobody is arguing CFB players aren't compensated. They are. It's just compared to what they're raking in for universities... they're not even allowed to sell their own autograph? Why is that?
If the argument is "the price of college is ridiculous and one shouldn't have to sell themselves into a life of servitude in order to pay for it," you're not going to get a quarrel from me, my friend. I fear that's another debate for another forum, however.
Scarlet: The study I linked is from 1992, which correct me if I'm wrong, is before Deadspin even existed. Secondly, you can't brush off an argument made with facts and numbers with "this isn't journalism" because the numbers and facts don't agree with your opinion.
Look at coaching salaries ballooning across the country. Look at places like Texas A&M pumping a staggering $480 million into their football stadium. This is a sign of athletic departments barely getting by? I don't get it.
If your argument is there should be a division for the power conferences, operating by their own rules, then you won't hear an argument from me. Ohio State belonging in the same division as the Akron Zips is ludicrous.
As for what they are, they're elite athletes being unfairly pigeon-holed into the role of "student-athlete;" a role, by the way, created solely for the purpose of the NCAA's wish to avoid paying worker's comp. I don't get people who say "they're enjoying perks other students would kill to have!" Well, no shit. Other students don't have their talent. That's life.
Sarasota: You can have all $25 in my bank account right now if you can provide me with a place I ever non-sarcastically said athletes are regular students.
The argument isn't that they're not being compensated. The argument is they're not being compensated fairly.
Nobody is forcing anybody to get work any job. The "it's a choice" argument is a red herring. Because you choose to work whatever job it is you work, does that mean employers can treat you how they want? The federal government says the answer to that question is a resounding no.
If somebody like Braxton Miller was compensated fairly, he could put himself through school with his own money. And no, I'm not saying every player should be paid on Braxton's level, the same way Urban Meyer isn't paid the same as a tennis coach, or even an assistant coach.
I will say this about Skrine, he definitely turned the ship around in the last 2/3rds of the season. He's too small to be a No. 2 in my opinion, though. I'd like Sam Shields, and as much as I love TJ Ward, Byrd would probably be an upgrade.
OK, then take away the scholarships and all the perks that the average student never sees and then you can pay the student-athletes whatever you like.
Oh, and let's ignore the fact that most athletic programs are barely scraping by as it is.
They're not regular students. They're not regular students. And once again, they're not regular students. They enjoy those perks because they rake cash for the university.
People seem to think this would bring 100 million dollar contracts to college sports, which is a ridiculous, pedantic interpretation of the argument. You put your body on the line for a game like the Cowboy Classic, that ESPN is shelling out $12 million combined to broadcast, and you're not entitled to some of that money? What other American arena does that work in outside of the NCAA's warped view of reality?
Lastly, athletic departments aren't "scraping by." They use a bevy of financial tricks and hustles to make it appear that way, when in fact, they're not. See the 1992 study where Western Kentucky — WESTERN KENTUCKY — turned a $5 million profit into a $1.5 million loss.
The money is already there. I don't get why people are so dead-set against it. I have some theories, but I'll spare you of those.
They get free tuition and fees, as well as extra tutoring/supervision that very, very few regular students get.
They're not regular students. They're not regular students. In fact, they're not regular students.