Ohio State Self-Reports 22 Minor NCAA Violations (Six From Football) From First Half of the Year

By DJ Byrnes on August 13, 2014 at 3:12p
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Ohio State self-reported 22 minor NCAA violations from the first half of 2014, according to documents The Lantern obtained through the Freedom of Information Act.

Six stemmed from the football team.

The most nefarious football-related offense is the typical cloak-and-dagger shenanigans usually found in NCAA violations. From Tim Moody of The Lantern:

Of the 22 violations, the NCAA deemed 10 of them needed no additional action after the University’s response. Eight of the violations are pending response from the NCAA and three from the Big Ten. Only one of the 22 violations has led to direct NCAA sanctions.

That violation stemmed from a football recruit’s visit to the university from Dec. 13 to 15, 2013. The prospect and his parents, who are separated, were each reserved their own hotel room during the visit. The OSU football staff was unaware of the fact that the player’s mother chose not to attend the visit, and so the prospect’s brother checked into the room instead. The NCAA ruled the recruit ineligible until he repays the cost of the room, if that cost is less than or equal to $100. If the cost of the room was greater, the recruit will be ineligible until he is reinstated by the NCAA.

Responses from the university included letters of education sent to coaching staffs, staff meetings with the assistant athletics director for compliance, a position currently held by Doug Archie, letters of reprimand and other assorted sanctions.

A recruits brother almost got to watch his brother live out his dreams for free? It's a good thing we have the NCAA rules to protect us from those horrors. 

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Stinson's picture

*fart noise*

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

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JoeAndSo's picture

around or about the same response I had..

"¯\_(ツ)_/¯"  - Joey Bosa

dubjayfootball90's picture

Perfect response. Couldn't have done it better myself.

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

Jelligrim's picture

Three clapper or five clapper??

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Catch 5's picture

Here you go...

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

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Tater_Schroeder's picture

"Our purpose is to govern competition in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner, and to integrate intercollegiate athletics into higher education so that the educational experience of the student-athlete is paramount." - NCAA MIssion Statement

 Let's make sure we keep tabs on who's brothers are staying in hotels around here.

How Firm Thy Friendship

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JFKBuckeye's picture

The NCAA is hands down the most petty institution or governing body that has ever existed.

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Ajake15's picture

"Gold jacket, green jacket who gives a shit."

Buster Tillman was underrated

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G_off's picture

I lose respect for NCAA when I read these stories because schools, recruits, players, and the families are punished for trivial items and incidents. Yet when it involves a legitimate criminal matter, the NCAA more or less turns a blind eye. Two recent examples, TTUN receiver punching someone on camera and also the recruit visiting UGA and allegedly stealing from the dorms. Maybe they just let team votes decide the fates of those involved in those matters.

"You can not use logic" -Gary Danielson of CBSec

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rihmds80's picture

Cue E$PN hypocritical outrage in 3.....2.....1.....

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Buckeye Knight's picture

I can't wait for the end of the NCAA.

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Buckeyeball043's picture

I second this motion.

"I am El Guapo...the handsome one."

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

Cam Newton gets to play without penalty, Johnny football gets a half game, Famous Jamies gets to miss a baseball game, but the NCAA has time to investigate this matter. Shameful.
 

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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Buckeye in Illini country's picture

Don't forget the UNC basketball team never attending classes but still getting A's.

Columbus to Pasadena: 35 hours.  We're on a road trip through the desert looking for strippers and cocaine... and Rose Bowl wins!

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JoeAndSo's picture

To be fair those were all self reported, meaning they came directly from OSU.

"¯\_(ツ)_/¯"  - Joey Bosa

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chirobuck's picture

And what did Miami get for something about prostitutes on boat rides?

 
^ best post ever ^

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Buckeye Knight's picture

LOL, Miami had a booster come out and admit almost HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in benefits. Let that number sink in while we remember what happened here over a discount on tats and a few signatures.

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chicagobuckeye's picture

I don't it remember being that high. Link? I remember he ran a 900 million dollar Ponzi scheme but don't remember more than half going to Miami football

umbyosu's picture

Does not appear that OSU has self-reported their use of the official scoreboard during midnight band activities.

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GoBucks713's picture

The worst violation of all is the Men's Golf recruit getting a private lesson from the women's coach.

Every single one of these violations are idiotic and the NCAA need to be thrown out with the garbage.

-The Aristocrats!

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11UrbzAndSpices's picture

OSU women’s golf coach Therese Hession gave a private lesson to a men’s golf recruit.

Cardale Jones. Cardale Jones! CARDALE JONES!!

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Boxley's picture

Is this referencing one of those GitHN"s Ramzy spoke of yesterday?

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

Zimmy07's picture

Ty Webb: Let me tell you a little story? I once knew a guy who could have been a great golfer, could have gone pro, all he needed was a little time and practice. Decided to go to college instead. Went for four years, did pretty well. At the end of his four years, his last semester he was kicked out... You know what for? He was night putting, just putting at night with the fifteen-year-old daughter of the Dean... You know who that guy was Danny?

Tater_Schroeder's picture

Impermissible Publicity Reported April 9

Warinner unintentionally posted what was intended to be a private message to a prospect on his Twitter feed. As a result, OSU had Warinner participate in a social media training session with the school’s information and technology office.

How much fun do you think that social media training session was? 

How Firm Thy Friendship

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Nutinpa's picture

And the NCAA wonders why the so called power conferences were seriously considering seceding "from the union" -- and arguably still may? 

OSU should just give them the finger and move on.

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Myc24's picture
Oh that wacky NCAA and their nonsensical rules.

"Because I couldn't go for three!"  - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

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Whoa Nellie's picture

Does 'Bama even self-report this picayune stuff?

“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”

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M Man's picture

You guys have a riflery team.  How many Ohioans can spell "riflery"?  I wish Michigan had a riflery team.  Sure, it would be nice to have a riflery team to beat Ohio State in shooting, but more than anything, I'd like to see what the notion of "riflery" did to the Michigan Board of Regents and the faculty of the College of Literature, Science and the Arts.

As for the NCAA.  Why do they have a category for "secondary violations"?  It is so that institutions, which are all supposed to be self-policing and self-reporting, can do just that, without fear of penalties that are disproportionate to the offense.  It's why they have "major violations" as well.  

In every case, instead of looking at the rule and thinking, "That's ridiculous," I think, "What principle was the NCAA trying to uphold?  What offense was there, that necessitated such a rule in the first place?"

The bit about the hotel room seems clear enough to me.  Take away that rule, and you'll have a new line-item in OSU's football budget for "Hotel expenses -- recruiting; family members of recruits."  That line might be, what?  $100,000 annually?  More?  OSU will spend that much, or more, because Auburn and Alabama and Texas and USC and maybe even Michigan will be entertaining recruits in whatever manner the rules allow.  Bagel spreads will be covered by the complimentary room service.

Take away the complimentary golf lessons rule, and we could see a recruiting golf camp set up at the Scarlet Course for promising high schoolers.  (Who would naturally be entitled to hotel rooms with their families.)  Add another line item to the OSU athletic budget:  "Golf recruiting camp -- $350,000.")

Twitter.  Nothing good ever happens on Twitter.  I rest my case.

Contacts with recruits; this is like political fundraising, isn't it?  Everybody has to do it and nobody who who has to do it likes it.  There's all kinds of time and a wide variety of ways to contact recruits.  Too much, really.  The flip side of the coin is the prize recruit who gets thousands of emails, hundreds of text messages, dozens of daily telephone calls, and a mailbox full of letters.

What punishment did OSU deserve for its 22 self-reported minor violations?  Mostly, nothing.  What punishment did OSU experience for those violations?  Mostly, nothing.  So the problem is... what?

Take away the NCAA, and what you have is an ugly sort of anarchy that would make the SEC look like the Ivy League.

I might begin to worry about the NCAA someday; but it will be after Gene Smith and Dave Brandon hold a joint two-day seminar on how they propose to lower the costs of running their respective athletic departments by 20% over 5 years.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

M Man - I think it is hilarious that you have over 3900 Buckeye helmet stickers!  I think 11W should send those to you so you can distribute them around your house and to your friends!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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PittBuckeye's picture

Strangely well thought out response, makes sense and well written. I still can't bring myself to up vote you. It seems sacrilegious in some way.

chirobuck's picture

I did it and im not sure how I feel about it yet

 
^ best post ever ^

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

I upvote him regularly because more often than not, he writes out well thought out, well articulated arguments that make sense to me and that I usually agree with.

I don't feel bad about it because I can still point to the scoreboard at the end of every November.

Also:  I have a poster with a lot of non-revenue athlete's signatures, including members of the women's pistol and riflery teams.  If I had known that you could get a scholarship for those sports earlier in life (as in, after I got out of the Army), I might not have 30k in student loan debt still (I could consistently hit the 300m target with my M4/M16 from supported firing positions, so I like my chances in any marksmanship competition).

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Boxley's picture

Ditto..

As to those homers down voting him (M Man). I can guarantee his contributions to this site as a poster, are far better than anything you have ever posted. Try having a little class.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

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DoubleB's picture

Just wanted to express my appreciation for the always well thought out and articulate responses. Also for not feeding the trolls when they lurk around as they tend to do when someone with a block M as their avatar posts. While we sit on opposite sides of a rivalry at the end of the day both programs being strong and successful is better for the B1G and college football in general. So thanks and Go Bucks!

I was tired of trying to work my way around the back, so I just ran him over.
-Joey Bosa

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nickel beer's picture

"Take away the NCAA, and what you have is an ugly sort of anarchy that would make the SEC look like the Ivy League."

The issue I've had with the ncaa since tressel is that the sec and other southern schools' alleged and proven violations make us look as if we're only the few large remaining genuine cfb programs.  However, that has meant nothing righteous for us by way of polls and bowls and, now I expect, playoffs. 

I say take away the ncaa because of its double standards.  Let there be ugly anarchy and from the ashes ....  I think you're being a bit hysterical and really underestimating the collective integrity and vision of the B1G.

Well, I stand up next to a mountain ... and I chop it down with the edge of my hand.

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Woody16111's picture

In another violation, some recruit didn't eat all his "tots" from the cafeteria lunch and gave them to someone else to eat. 

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MichiganBuckeye222's picture

Who is the recruit with the hotel problem?  McDowell?

Representing the Buckeyes in the Mitten State since 1987.

www.septemberheisman.com

 

MichiganBuckeye222's picture

so if it is McDowell, then he can't play for MSU until he pays the money back?  that sounds fine to me.

Representing the Buckeyes in the Mitten State since 1987.

www.septemberheisman.com

 

Condor's picture

Is it possible to get a decent hotel room for less than $100 anymore?

"Do not fear me gypsy, all I want is your tears."

 -- Borat Sagdiyev

 

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tommrkr's picture

I would guess all recruits are put up at the Blackwell. I don't think they have many $100 rooms.

buckeyefan333's picture

Most football/basketball recruits stay in the Blackwell.  Recruits for other non-revenue sports usually stay at either the Hilton Garden Inn, Fairfield Inn, University Plaza Hotel, or  Spring Hill Suites on Olentangy River Road.  The athletic department has a relationship with these hotels and gets discounted rates.

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chicagobuckeye's picture

Where I went to school there was a student rate to put anyone up in the hotel for $89, below normal pricing. I wonder if because all students bringing a speaker or presentor to school, or even potential students the athletic department could pay a similar price. 

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CTBuckeye's picture
Ah the NCAA...
 

"Because we couldn't go for three"

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Buck Crusty's picture

Whatever.

I'm still kinda new to 11W, but seeing the comment *fart noise* get 13 helmet stickers warms my heart. I feel like I've finally found a home....

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I just gave you a helmet sticker for liking 'fart noise'!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

Me too!  Welcome to the party!

Marc Pocock (a.k.a NuttyBuckeye)

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

Toilrt Paper's picture

If all or the majority of the self reported minor violations were not reported, would the NCAA have found them their self? The question most athletic departments ask of themselves and the answer they decide upon is.... don't bother.

Ohio State holds the all time record for most minor violations reported. AND this is not because they have the most minor violations.

AND these 22 violations were from January through June of 2014. By the end of 2014 Ohio State will self report another 20 or so.minor violations. Ohio State should get an accommodation from the NCAA, for self reporting so many minor violations. Instead the NCAA makes an athlete ineligible until he pays back $100, because his brother slept in a bed in a hotel room that Ohio State mistakenly paid for, instead of on the floor of another room..

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Ohio State should get an accommodation from the NCAA, for self reporting so many minor violations.

Just make sure that if OSU can't attend, that they don't let their little brother check into the room instead.  Oh, you meant commendation?

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brandonbauer87's picture

I don't understand the outrage. These are self-reported.  Every university in the country does this. No need to get upset. 

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Eph97's picture

I'm all for killing the NCAA and letting the schools pay whatever they want for athletes. (Not that the SEC doesn't do that already). Also, let boosters pay whatever they want. The NCAA exists primarily to protect the income that these "amateurs" generate so the schools under the guise of protecting "amateurism" hog all the money. I think this is changing too, as the courts have seen through this sham. Just because you chose to call a certain group of people "amateurs" and collude to say that a scholarship is the "pay", doesn't make it so. In the future you're going to see all the revenue generating athletes labeled as employees and allowed to freely bargain for compensation. It might be in 20 years, but it'll happen. The O'Bannon ruling is just the beginning. BTW, that $5000 cap in the O'Bannon ruling was arbitrary and will be hotly contested when the NCAA appeals the ruling.

40 Degrees North's picture

Only suckers self-report.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Self reporting violations, is in fact another violation....... See footnote 12b. Of the fine print section on page 1,342 of the NCAA Non SEC Team Rule Book.

Just wondering where Florida State paying the $50,000 premium on Crab Legs Winston's new injury insurance policy falls in the book.

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Marshall Trucker's picture

I guess we never learn. Why self report anything?

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whiskeyjuice's picture

Shennaigans

"Championships are not won on Saturdays in November. Championships are won on Tuesdays in August." -- Kerry Combs

THE's picture

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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THE's picture

Pretty amazing way for Will Ferrel to make his on screen debut!

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apack614's picture

Zzzz zzzzzz zzzz (wake up) is is Aug 30th yet? No. Is the NCAA still the most hypocritical institution in the US? Yes. Wake me up Aug 30th. Zzzzzzz

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

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DC-town's picture

Get here August 30...

we self report ticky tack stuff, NCAA does nothing, wake me up if any of these laughable offenses get any sanctions.

the NCAA only apparently has teeth for those that self-report...that's the issue

'Piss excellence' -RB

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toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Death penalty to South Carolina for impermissible icing! Spurrier should have known better to do that for a recruit. Sarcasm intended.

What Would Troy Smith Do's picture

I'd also like to report a self-violation.  I had Taco Bell for dinner.

On a related note, my commode would also like to report a violation.

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DefendYoungstown's picture
How I Feel bout

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MN Buckeye's picture

I probably costs everyone more to do sensitivity training, social media training, personal hygiene training, how-to-answer-the-phone training, . . . ok, I am traininged out.

mkosu73's picture

Did anybody but me notice that the first person to defend the NCAA was somebody from TTUN? 

Mkosu73

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GreatLakesBeer's picture

Doesn't sound too bad, hopefully we only get a one year bowl ban and of course Urban should resign. Baurserman will also start at qb......

If you will it dude, it is no dream

jamesrbrown322's picture

Is it football season yet? Can't wait for this offseason to be over and see Brax and Co. go to work.

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Winston Churchill

OnlyOne's picture

Yes, let's get to football.  Should Elliott have switched the ball to his right arm - arm away from the would be tacklers?     Hope the broken wrist does not lead to fumbles.

Mortc15's picture

 Whether the NCAA is in charge or the Power 5 get rid of it for their own rule book, the issue will always be the same. Whichever schools can pay more and give their athletes more before and during their time at the school, will continue to bring in the best players, and thus, continue to be the best teams. 

Money rules in today's world and will continue too, with or without the NCAA and it's joke book of 'rules.' 

Buck-I4Life

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bucks4nuts's picture

NCAA ..cares

"To The House"

THEOSUfan's picture

This is what happens when you have a legalistic environment.  This commonly happens in a religious context when some group decides it is their obligation to tell everyone else how to practice the religion in the right way.

In the NCAA's case, they have been anal about creating fairness by eliminating advantages.  Coaches, schools, and especially fans scream that Rival U is cheating by doing x,y, or z - and the NCAA reacts with a rule to fix that.  After 100 years, you get a rule book that looks like the federal tax code - and that contains a hundred archaic and absurd things.  This is how we get the ridiculous bagel with cream cheese violation, and this hotel violation bullshit.

God only has 10 rules for human behavior.  Surely the NCAA could govern college athletics with 10 pages.

mfoster's picture

The eSECpn conference will be OUTRAGED and will want heads to roll.......while they are paying players under the table, giving them cars, etc........

*Buckeye 4 ever*

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