PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Pretty good read.
Very interesting read ... I will forever be a T.Pryor fan ... He was a great football player for OSU, I always enjoyed watching him play ... Yea he made some bone headed choices, but he was young, and very imature ... I hope the best for him as well ...
Same here love TP....I really think that he tried hard to do better as he matured at Ohio State and his mistakes caught up with him...Sad story because I truly believe that team would have won it all....
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Always a big TP fan, but the only thing he did that really bugged me that I have a hard time getting over is selling out his teammates in order to get into the supplemental.
Pryor I thought actually did well by going into the supp draft andnot cooperating with the NCAA.
I love TP, but something about his story of giving the money to keep his mom and sister from freezing doesn't make sense to me. If his family was that poor, how could he afford a car like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oagR4hg3S2Q
If you ever saw tp in person then you know he always wore Gucci and the lastest Jordan but hey I guess he was just doing gods will
Hardly home but always reppin
This is a very interesting read. Thanks to William for posting. On the issue of the cars - I might try to defend him by saying those came after he sold the items & that we know he didn't buy the cars. I don't how he dressed, but I would imagine he didn't buy his clothes either. I'm not sure why he sold his stuff but you can count me on the side of the fence that says a person who generates millions of dollars for a school probably, in one way or another, deserves some sort of financial compensation.
You can criticize him, but at the end of the day he was one of the most prolific QBs ever for Ohio State & single handedly won many of the games he played in. As a fan base we put a lot of weight on his shoulders & in return he won a lot of games. I think the whole tattoo situation sucked & for a time, was angry at him, but as time moves on I think I'll just remember what he did on the field - which usually made me smile as I watched.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Terrelle Pryor was a young kid who took some money for selling some personal items. Who gives a damn. The kid was gold on the field, and by all accounts worked hard to make himself better off of it. I am glad that he was a Buckeye, and we won a ton of games because of the guy.
It's like once Clarrett got into some bad times, we forget that the kid had the heart of Dane Sanzenbacher in the body of Beanie Wells, but now to most fans, he is just some punk. Or we forget that Tressel was the best coach that we will see in our lifetimes, and we abandon his memory because he screwed up. We were lucky to have all three of these guys don the Scarlet and Grey. What a crew, and thanks for the memories.
POISON NUTS I agree with you...to a point. It seems like somebody who makes a school so much money should be entitled to SOMETHING, but that goes against everything it means to be an amateur athlete. people go pro early if their family has money problems....they don't sell things and then drive around in nice ass cars. i WANT to believe he did it all for his mother, but if his reasons were that noble, he wouldn't have waited an entire year to speak up. I'm with YANKEESCUM. the past is the past, remember him for how he was on the field and move on to what look like REALLY good times for tOSU!
@AJG OSU 5 Those cars Terrelle drove while on campus were loaner cars, they werent actually his. But I agree with others I will always be a TP fan. I wish it could have ended differently but hey everybody makes mistakes. I believe EVERY student athlete should be able to profit off their name! If they can make money signing autographs or selling their personal belongings then so be it! Whats the crime in selling your own stuff?!! I believe he may have helped his mom pay her bills but I also think he did it for hmself too lol. Everytime I saw him he was dressed to impress and didnt look like he was wanting for anything lol. But again I see no problem with a kid marketing himself in college. If he can make thousands of dollars selling autographed shoes or signing some jerseys then im all for it. Its not hurting the game or anyone else nor taking any money from the University. Its not a crime for anybody else except student athletes to sell personal belongings which is utterly rididculous! The NCAA needs a major overhaul in my book...
I don't know about Cols. but I can buy fake Coach, Burberry, Gucci stuff at the mall and nearly every street corner in NYC
He's just doing Gods work!! This article is a load of crap. TP is only out for himself. It's been documented that TP didnt work hard. Tressel let him do what he wanted. He was late to a lot of team meetings and practices. The only reason he is trying to "make it" now is because no one is following around making him famous anymore! Yea he won a lot of games for the Bucks and he was fun to watch, but he's a piece of work. He's one of the main reasons we are in this mess.
Awesome read!! I think the biggest mistake he made in terms of the memorabilia goes...is that he sold some of the most cherished items a Buckeye can get. However...it was his stuff to do with what he pleased. Those Golden Pants, are probably the most cherished item to a Buckeye Fan as well...so in the eyes of the fans...it was more of a slap in the face. I don't begrudge T.P...he was an awesome player for Ohio State. He just made a bone headed decision. I wish T.P. all the best.
"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." ~Woody Hayes~
@bucksshocktheworld ... Where is it documented that he didn't work hard? I never heard anything negative work ethic wise about T.P ... Looking at him physically he developed each year from his first to his last ... So I would like to know your "source" .... Give me T.P and his 3 years of playing over anybody else we had ... Take T.P off the team and I doubt we beat Oregon, and Arkansas ...
Question to all of you......Knowing how this all turned out at the end, would you have still wanted Terrelle Pryor becoming a buckeye?
Loaner cars? He had about 5 different cars during his tenure at the school. TP was not clean, he was doing shady stuff the whole time there. Who gives loaner cars anyways, rentals sure, but loaner? Did TP have a million problems with his original car, which was a hooked up dodge charger that he kept getting these loaner cars?
I am actually shocked with some of these responses of the guy and the hypocrisy too. You guys poke fun of Michigan and Chris webber all the time about this thing. I do not care how magical those two years were for Michigan. Chris Webber killed our basketball program and I hate him for that. Those two years were not worth the 15 years of being the Big Ten's best joke.
@RATIONAL - If he was the sole perpetrator of Tatgate, then no. As it stands...let me get back to you after Meyer's first of ten national championships.
On a related note...
Anybody want some?
Well the fallout of what happened with you guys will not even be close to the fallout of the Michigan basketball program. So, it can be easier to accept what happened. But, he is a big reason Jim Tressel is not your coach anymore.
Don't get me wrong at the time of his recruitment I wanted Pryor to be blue more than anyone. Was truly hurt when he chose to be a buckeye, but there were definitely signs of trouble and a prima donna attitude.
@RATIONAL - Summed up my thoughts exactly, we paid for our decadence last season. But, as Van "The Man" Morrison says, "The Healing has Begun." Thank God it wasn't any worse.
You are damn right. Replacing Jim Tressel with Urban Meyer is a pretty good deal too.
But, like I have said before, I am convinced Urban will not have as much success against Michigan the way Tressel did. Can he win more than one national championship? Sure, but he will not dominate Michigan like Tress did.
@ Pam - no use pointing out that it's possible to buy cheap knockoffs of designer items. Reasonable points don't work anymore :(
@RATIONAL - I'm only inclined to agree because Tress' numbers were otherworldly. But, when looking at Meyer, I do see that--in rivalry games at UF and Utah--he was a stunning 24-5.
Florida State 5-1
Utah St 2-0
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Utah St 2-0
I don't think we'll have an accurate portrait of where The Game is really going until 2014 or so. By then both coaches will have their players and philosophy firmly entrenched. One thing's for damn sure, both these men "get" it (though, I'd also argue that Carr got it just as much as Tressel--based upon his performance vs. Cooper). Looking foreward to the coming years, regardless of outcome.
I think, and feel that J.Tressel was a GREAT coach his only flaw to me was loyality ... and thats not a flaw at all ... He was too loyal to the players he attempted to protect, and too loyal to probably the worst OC/DC in the history of college football *well maybe not in the history, but awfully close* ... To me, I think that U.Meyer will DOMINATE the Big 10 ... He was able to do it in the SEC ... I think we would've been in an awful lot of trouble if Rich Rod would've concentrated on his defense more then he did and hired a better DC ... His offense worked ... it was his defense that was too old, and out of date ... So we see U.Meyer hasn't forgotten defense wins championships, as he continues to add to an already stacked unit ... I watched McCray move in the videos and I see exactly why he wasn't offered he is much too stiff ... He is recruiting a more athletic player then we're use to seeing in the B10, and I think he feels he can coach'em up ... The more athletic the player the higher the ceiling ... When you mix great talent w/a great coach only good results will follow ... I think he will have almost the same dominance over Michigan as "The Vest" did ... This dude won at Utah .... UTAH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD ... If he can win there I KNOW he will win here ....
@BAMA - Kind of how I feel, I'm just terrified to count my chickens before they hatch.
Or if you're a Tarentino fan:
"Let's not start sucking each other's d***s just yet"
"Let's not start sucking each other's d***s just yet"
@Hodge- I understand exactly what your saying ... I agree as well because I was thinking the same thing at first ... but now "I'm starting to drink the koo-aid" too ... Lol ... We don't have to have a great offense because our defense will always be respectable ... Lets look at it this way imagine an offense that averages just 24 -28 points a game last season what would our record have been??? Easily a 5 game swing ... Thats not counting the Michigan game that could just as easily went our way as well save an over thrown pass to Posey ... or the Nebraska game we was well on our way to winning until #5 went out ... So pumping some real juice in the offense is all thats needed, but he is pumping HEAVY JUICE into the defense ... and some real Juice into the offense ... he has turned around the attitude of some players as well ... just look at the new attitudes of K.Guyton, and R.Smith ... Look at the way the bodies have changed in the offseason program in only a couple of monthes ... Now imagine this 1 year or 2 from now ... Yup ... I have a fridge full of "the kool-aid" and I'm going to enjoy drinking it for however long U.Meyer stays here and I think its going to be a while ....
@SPRESTON2001 Thanks for clearing that up. But im still unsure about all that. I agree with you that theres nothing wrong with selling his personally belongings, but unfortunately the NCAA doesn't see it that way. He knowingly broke the rules so punishment was due regardless if we think its ok or not.
RichRod's offense may have "worked" against inferior defenses, but in three games against OSU RRod's teams scored a total of 24 points (7, 10, 7).
Rich Rod's offense only worked if you count meaningless points late in a game when down by 30. The notion that his offense worked at Michigan is one of the biggest fallacies going around or went around the Michigan program. It was actually very simple and boring. Do you know how many times Rich Rod had a motion or jet motion in his play during three years of his tenure? ZERO! He was a joke as a head coach and a Fake as an offensive genius.
Rational, why do you think Rich Rod had a level of success at WVU and not UM? I am curious to hear your opinion on that because few of my Michigan fan friends will even talk about his years in AA.
State of the program at time of hire, personnel at time of hire, level of competition and tenure. Truth is, if he would've had two more years (and some of the recruiting bad luck didn't occur---players not eligible, etc), the Michigan teams "could've" been unstoppable on offense. In year 3 he had sophomores like Denard and Roundtree that truly fit his system. If he would've had more time or a better feel for Michigan, who knows what might have been. All I know is that I'm very fond of what the Hokester is bringing to Michigan.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
Are there any UM fans who aren't happy Hoke is there? I know you all wanted Harbaugh, but I don't see what beef someone might have with Hoke now that he is there and winning.
I agree that if given another year or two his offense might've really taken off. But the defenses , oh my word. Wasn't Greg Robinson running a 3-3-5 or something like that? Perhaps in the Big East playing good defense was not a necessity.
TENNBUCKEYE, I think there were 2 main reasons he wasn't successful in Ann Arbor. First, he was unyielding in his philosophies and systems. Second, he couldn't convince Jeff Casteel, his DC at WVU, to come with him.
What Hoke and Borges have done so well, and what RR did so poorly, was adapting his schemes to fit his team. They were NOT ready to run the spread in 2008, and look what happened. In 2009, yeah, he had some pieces, but they were largely true freshmen. I would water down my schemes and take a redshirt sophomore or junior any day over a slightly higher upside true freshmen that looks like a deer staring at headlights all season.
RR had Scott Schaefer, then Greg Robinson, run a 3-3-5, when they weren't overly proficient in coaching it, and they didn't have the personnel for it to work. There is also a big difference between defenses in the Big East and the Big Ten. That is not to say the 3-3-5 wasn't successful at WVU, because by all accounts, it was an above average defense. Even with a defense ranked 40th-50th in the nation in his final 2 years, Michigan probably could have won a few more games per season, or at least kept it close in most of their losses.
Had he done that, I think he could've made a case for staying a 4th year. The defense probably would have still sucked, but who knows. The lack of any kind of kicking game killed them too. I remember almost feeling bad for them in the Gator Bowl, where they went for it on 4th down god knows how many times, because neither kicker could be trusted outside of extra point range.
At least RR did it right by bringing Casteel to Arizona with him. These are just my opinions, obviously, but I think he COULD have been more successful if he had made just one or two different decisions. Definitely could've had a winning record in 3 seasons in AA.
I think Rich Rod failed for a few reasons:
1. The cupboard was bare for him when he got to Ann Arbor and sure did not get help from people in regards to transfer papers. But, the fact that he did not convince Mallet and at least Arrington to stay or even talk to Mallet was a mistake.
2. Kind of relates to number one. He had people within the Athletic Department that wanted him out. That is who I think leaked the information about Practice gate. Then came the witch hunt from the Free Press. The Blue hats wanted nothing to do with him and the fact that he was not coined a Michigan man played quite a role.
3. His recruiting was terrible. Now some of you may say wait a minute, he had classes ranked 8th , 10th, and 20th. That is pretty good. Now, I will rebuttal that by saying 30 kids that he recruited in those 3 classes never even got on campus or ended up transferring. That is not counting the players that left who had committed to Carr. Depth and talent was a huge problem.
4. Like someone had noted above me, not getting Jeff Casteel from WVU was big. There was no consistency in what they were running. The first year was a joke, I remember at Purdue that season when we lost on a hook and ladder play, Rodriguez forced the 3-3-5 defense down Shafer's throat and we looked like a little league team. That was a game we would of won I thought if they stayed with what they were doing. But the defensive players never had consistency and it was a problem, you were able to see it every saturday. Then the Gregg Robinson experiment, well lets not even get to that.
Players have been quoted saying that staff did not know defense and it was not emphasized by the head coach. Most recently, Mike Martin came out saying this. RR was just worried about his offense.
5. Arrogance, He came in thinking his offense was going to be so good and he would just outscore teams. Well, that was a major fail. The offense was not as good as it was made out to be by people. We could never score meaningful points in a game against a team that was better. For example, his last year against Wisconsin and Iowa. Against Wisconsin we were down 28-0 at half. Iowa had us down big as well before a late rally. Cannot win games like that. He was not a good chess player. We had success a bunch of times on the first drive of the game. (his first drive of his tenure against Utah, Mike shaw scored, Also Denard took us to the 5 against MSU before throwing a pick and against Ohio st that last year we were in the redzone before Denard fumbled) But then, the defense would adjust and RR would never be able to counter against good coaches.
6. And last but not least, he did not get how big Michigan was. I get that impression from how he recruited. Instead of knocking on the door of 5 stars he was visiting 3 star slot players. He was in over his head.
This is all very interesting. Thanks for the input guys.
How the hell did this turn into another thread about michigan? Jesus H Christ.
TP: Great athelete and con man.
I am a bit jaded by the kid. I don't feel that he has done anything to warrant "Trust". The things he's done are not criminal nor anything egregious, but have cast the University in such a bad light that I am starting to tire of him. I have no idea why I read this article. I guess his name still commands some type of attention. The only thing I am interested in is how well he performs on the field. I am not interested in the past and don't want to hear anymore excuses. I really would rather him not write a book, or more to the point, have someone else write a book for him. He will be forever shadowed by tatgate. I am already tired of the continually reminder.
I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.
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