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Same here love TP....I really think that he tried hard to do better as he matured at Ohio State and his mistakes caught up with him...Sad story because I truly believe that team would have won it all....

Pryor I thought actually did well by going into the supp draft andnot cooperating with the NCAA. 

If you ever saw tp in person then you know he always wore Gucci and the lastest Jordan but hey I guess he was just doing gods will

Terrelle Pryor was a young kid who took some money for selling some personal items.  Who gives a damn.  The kid was gold on the field, and by all accounts worked hard to make himself better off of it.  I am glad that he was a Buckeye, and we won a ton of games because of the guy. 

It's like once Clarrett got into some bad times, we forget that the kid had the heart of Dane Sanzenbacher in the body of Beanie Wells, but now to most fans, he is just some punk.  Or we forget that Tressel was the best coach that we will see in our lifetimes, and we abandon his memory because he screwed up.   We were lucky to have all three of these guys don the Scarlet and Grey.  What a crew, and thanks for the memories.

@AJG OSU 5 Those cars Terrelle drove while on campus were loaner cars, they werent actually his. But I agree with others I will always be a TP fan. I wish it could have ended differently but hey everybody makes mistakes. I believe EVERY student athlete should be able to profit off their name! If they can make money signing autographs or selling their personal belongings then so be it! Whats the crime in selling your own stuff?!! I believe he may have helped his mom pay her bills but I also think he did it for hmself too lol. Everytime I saw him he was dressed to impress and didnt look like he was wanting for anything lol. But again I see no problem with a kid marketing himself in college. If he can make thousands of dollars selling autographed shoes or signing some jerseys then im all for it. Its not hurting the game or anyone else nor taking any money from the University. Its not a crime for anybody else except student athletes to sell personal belongings which is utterly rididculous! The NCAA needs a major overhaul in my book...

He's just doing Gods work!! This article is a load of crap. TP is only out for himself. It's been documented that TP didnt work hard. Tressel let him do what he wanted. He was late to a lot of team meetings and practices. The only reason he is trying to "make it" now is because no one is following around making him famous anymore! Yea he won a lot of games for the Bucks and he was fun to watch, but he's a piece of work. He's one of the main reasons we are in this mess.

@bucksshocktheworld ... Where is it documented that he didn't work hard? I never heard anything negative work ethic wise about T.P ... Looking at him physically he developed each year from his first to his last ... So I would like to know your "source" .... Give me T.P and his 3 years of playing over anybody else we had ... Take T.P off the team and I doubt we beat Oregon, and Arkansas ...

@RATIONAL - If he was the sole perpetrator of Tatgate, then no.  As it stands...let me get back to you after Meyer's first of ten national championships.

On a related note...

Anybody want some?

@RATIONAL - Summed up my thoughts exactly, we paid for our decadence last season.  But, as Van "The Man" Morrison says, "The Healing has Begun."  Thank God it wasn't any worse.  

@ Pam - no use pointing out that it's possible to buy cheap knockoffs of designer items. Reasonable points don't work anymore :(

I think, and feel that J.Tressel was a GREAT coach his only flaw to me was loyality ... and thats not a flaw at all ... He was too loyal to the players he attempted to protect, and too loyal to probably the worst OC/DC in the history of college football *well maybe not in the history, but awfully close* ... To me, I think that U.Meyer will DOMINATE the Big 10 ... He was able to do it in the SEC ... I think we would've been in an awful lot of trouble if Rich Rod would've concentrated on his defense more then he did and hired a better DC ... His offense worked ... it was his defense that was too old, and out of date ... So we see U.Meyer hasn't forgotten defense wins championships, as he continues to add to an already stacked unit ... I watched McCray move in the videos and I see exactly why he wasn't offered he is much too stiff ... He is recruiting a more athletic player then we're use to seeing in the B10, and I think he feels he can coach'em up ... The more athletic the player the higher the ceiling ... When you mix great talent w/a great coach only good results will follow ... I think he will have almost the same dominance over Michigan as "The Vest" did ... This dude won at Utah .... UTAH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD ... If he can win there I KNOW he will win here ....

@Hodge- I understand exactly what your saying ... I agree as well because I was thinking the same thing at first ... but now "I'm starting to drink the koo-aid" too ... Lol ... We don't have to have a great offense because our defense will always be respectable ... Lets look at it this way imagine an offense that averages just 24 -28 points a game last season what would our record have been??? Easily a 5 game swing ... Thats not counting the Michigan game that could just as easily went our way as well save an over thrown pass to Posey ... or the Nebraska game we was well on our way to winning until #5 went out ... So pumping some real juice in the offense is all thats needed, but he is pumping HEAVY JUICE into the defense ... and some real Juice into the offense ... he has turned around the attitude of some players as well ... just look at the new attitudes of K.Guyton, and R.Smith ... Look at the way the bodies have changed in the offseason program in only a couple of monthes ... Now imagine this 1 year or 2 from now ... Yup ... I have a fridge full of "the kool-aid" and I'm going to enjoy drinking it for however long U.Meyer stays here and I think its going to be a while ....

@BuckinBama,

RichRod's offense may have "worked" against inferior defenses, but in three games against OSU RRod's teams scored a total of 24 points (7, 10, 7).

Rational, why do you think Rich Rod had a level of success at WVU and not UM? I am curious to hear your opinion on that because few of my Michigan fan friends will even talk about his years in AA. 

Are there any UM fans who aren't happy Hoke is there? I know you all wanted Harbaugh, but I don't see what beef someone might have with Hoke now that he is there and winning.

I agree that if given another year or two his offense might've really taken off. But the defenses , oh my word. Wasn't Greg Robinson running a 3-3-5 or something like that? Perhaps in the Big East playing good defense was not a necessity. 

I think Rich Rod failed for a few reasons:

1. The cupboard was bare for him when he got to Ann Arbor and sure did not get help from people in regards to transfer papers. But, the fact that he did not convince Mallet and at least Arrington to stay or even talk to Mallet was a mistake.

2. Kind of relates to number one. He had people within the Athletic Department that wanted him out. That is who I think leaked the information about Practice gate. Then came the witch hunt from the Free Press. The Blue hats wanted nothing to do with him and the fact that he was not coined a Michigan man played quite a role.

3. His recruiting was terrible. Now some of you may say wait a minute, he had classes ranked 8th , 10th, and 20th. That is pretty good. Now, I will rebuttal that by saying 30 kids that he recruited in those 3 classes never even got on campus or ended up transferring. That is not counting the players that left who had committed to Carr. Depth and talent was a huge problem.

4. Like someone had noted above me, not getting Jeff Casteel from WVU was big. There was no consistency in what they were running. The first year was a joke, I remember at Purdue that season when we lost on a hook and ladder play, Rodriguez forced the 3-3-5 defense down Shafer's throat and we looked like a little league team. That was a game we would of won I thought if they stayed with what they were doing. But the defensive players never had consistency and it was a problem, you were able to see it every saturday. Then the Gregg Robinson experiment, well lets not even get to that.

Players have been quoted saying that staff did not know defense and it was not emphasized by the head coach. Most recently, Mike Martin came out saying this. RR was just worried about his offense.

5. Arrogance, He came in thinking his offense was going to be so good and he would just outscore teams. Well, that was a major fail. The offense was not as good as it was made out to be by people. We could never score meaningful points in a game against a team that was better. For example, his last year against Wisconsin and Iowa. Against Wisconsin we were down 28-0 at half. Iowa had us down big as well before a late rally. Cannot win games like that. He was not a good chess player. We had success a bunch of times on the first drive of the game. (his first drive of his tenure against Utah, Mike shaw scored, Also Denard took us to the 5 against MSU before throwing a pick and against Ohio st that last year we were in the redzone before Denard fumbled) But then, the defense would adjust and RR would never be able to counter against good coaches.

6. And last but not least, he did not get how big Michigan was. I get that impression from how he recruited. Instead of knocking on the door of 5 stars he was visiting 3 star slot players. He was in over his head.

How the hell did this turn into another thread about michigan? Jesus H Christ.

TP: Great athelete and con man.