11W Etiquette: Following Recruiting Without Being an Asshole

By Ramzy Nasrallah on June 11, 2014 at 11:15a
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Chances are you aren't trying to be an asshole.

The vast majority of assholish behavior is fleeting or unintentional; a product of being ill-informed, uninformed or simply misunderstood. Fortunately all of those root causes  can be effectively addressed through corrective action. 

Addressed, meaning ultimately it's still up to you to be the change everyone wants you to be. Welcome to 11W Etiquette. We're all here to get better. Less assholey, if you will.

casey anthony
Casey Anthony: Also an asshole.

If you have great passion for Ohio State football recruiting but aren't an asshole, you can go ahead and skip to the third section entitled Don't Skip To The Third Section You Idiot We Just Said Assholes Don't Realize They're Assholes. 

This lesson will be quick and to the point by design, because assholes generally don't have the attention span to read anything other than tweets or message board posts that they've written. If anyone responds to them (usually it's along the lines of wow you're an asshole) they'll respond. Usually they'll double-down on being an asshole.

We've put this self-study course together for two reasons: 

1) As an 11W reader you're probably a Buckeye fan. We care about our tribe and want it to be great.

2) Nobody likes assholes. They're a pox on the world. Even assholes don't like other assholes.

Let's get started. Note: We're not going to tell you how to behave, act or think. We're simply defining assholish behavior where recruiting is concerned, and it's up to you to decide if you want to be like that or not like that. We're hoping it's the latter.


Only Assholes Tweet at Recruits

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Michael Ferns committed to Michigan prior to his senior year in high school. Here we have a Buckeye fan putting him in his place for making that decision.

Note that Ohio State is currently recruiting his talented little brother and this kind of online abuse probably doesn't resonate well with the Ferns family. But it's not as if this guy has pestered recruits befo -

don't

The full spectrum of assholery: The spurned lover, the desperate prom date and the condescending father Terrelle Pryor never wanted to meet. 

Don't think for a second that this is poor form because of the content or execution. It's poor form because only assholes tweet at recruits. < - - - repeat as often as necessary

Gauge Your Progress

Which of the following three commenters on QB recruit Torrance Gibson's Facebook page are assholes?

assholes. all of you

Finish cringing. We'll wait.

Answer: All of them. The third guy simply takes it to the creepiest level imaginable. Duane and Fred could be eligible for asshole waivers if they actually know or are classmates of Mr. Gibson's, because only an asshole would suggest people who personally know recruits shouldn't be able to talk to them.

Speaking of the third guy - 

no
noo
NOOOOOO

Jeff gets an asshole medal for giving recruiting orders to Urban Meyer.

Grand asshole finale:

WAREFARE WHAT THE FUCK IS WAREFARE

Urban Warefare. Spelling might not be his strong suit, but at least he didn't throw in an apostrophe for no damn reas -

STOP ABUSING APOSTROPHES

Fans of irony will love Jeff's twitter feed which - in addition to all of the assholery - is full of pleas from him to others begging them to stop tweeting at him. [Ed: Jeff deleted his Twitter account shortly after this article was published]

That's because tweeting at strangers and telling them what you would like them to do with their lives is creepy. Always. There are no exceptions to this rule, and those who break it are categorically assholes. 

tweeting AT STRANGERS AND telling them what you would like them to do WITH THEIR LIVES is creepy. Always.

This isn't about Jeff specifically because there are thousands of Jeffs. They think they're witty, needed, heeded and helping. They're none of those things. They're just assholes. Some of them even have trouble spelling warfare.

Closing note for assholes thinking what about Birm? He tweets at recruits. Birm is a paid journalist covering recruiting for a credentialed media organization that gets millions of hits a week during the offseason. He's working. You're just assholing.


Only Assholes Commit NCAA Violations

You think NCAA rules on amateurism are stupid, because you're edgy, brash and, well, mostly correct. As usual, it doesn't matter what you think. Don't give or offer to give Ohio State's recruits anything. This should be less controversial than the tweeting stuff.

By the way, every time a fan tweets at a recruit that fan is committing an NCAA violation. Even worse, that fan is an asshole.

Gauge Your Progress

Is this tweet an NCAA violation?

Answer: Yes, it is. Committed by the CEO of Twitter, which makes him an #asshole.


Only Assholes BASH Verbal Commitments

Earlier this week Grant Schmidt committed to Ohio State. He was vetted, offered and accepted by Ohio State's football coaches. Grant is an athletic freak, capable of jumping nearly 10 feet without a running start (he is a high school offensive tackle) and he fills a position of great need.

However, the South Dakota high school junior's offer list isn't yet teeming with program names that are frequently batted around on the ESPN family of networks, which apparently siphons away confidence some assholes have in Urban Meyer since he has yet to prove he can competently run an FBS program.

When Ohio State - with arguably the most aggressive and exhaustive recruiting machine it has ever had - offers a committable scholarship to a high school boy who then accepts it, there's one sane reaction: Happiness. 

Unless you're an asshole. From the comments in Grant Schmidt's commitment story:

derp
derrrp
derrrrrrrrrp

A couple things about this series of giant farts in the midst of a long-standing site tradition that is specifically constructed to be a congratulatory celebration: First - 

"Skid21 Attends Grandma's 95th Birthday Party" (a play in one act) (fiction)

[everyone] Happy birthday, Grandma! We love you!

[Skid21] What are you all so happy? She's going to die soon!

[everyone] What's wrong with you? 

[Skid21] Prove me wrong. I've seen the actuarial tables. 

[everyone] She can hear you, dummy.

[Skid21] You still haven't proved me wrong. 

Second, crapping on a kid who has just pledged his college years to Ohio State - in a column that features direct quotes from him (spoiler: Of course he read it) is among the assholiest things you can do. That's a gold starfish right there.

If you're not impressed by an Ohio State verbal commitment's offer list you may think it's a good idea to make your opinion known in his commitment story. That way Urban might rescind the offer, apologize to you personally and go back to the drawing board. Perhaps you could submit to him your list of preferred recruWHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, ASSHOLE?

Let's peek back at the beginning of this lesson:

Assholes generally don't have the attention span to read anything other than tweets or message board posts that they've written. If anyone responds to them (usually it's along the lines of wow you're an asshole) they'll respond. Usually they'll double-down on being an asshole.

If you find yourself behaving like this, guess what. Yup. 

Gauge Your Progress

A current high school junior's scholarship offers includes Ohio State. Does that make it a great offer list?

a) Yes.

b) Not no.


Hope this has been useful. Assholes, you may now get back to tweeting at recruits.


An earlier edition of this article contained tweets that have since been deleted. They have been replaced with screen caps of those tweets. The Internet never forgets.

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Denny's picture

How To Follow Recruiting Without Being Creepy: A One-Word Article.

Don't.

Taquitos.

+42 HS
Oyster's picture

Thus the built in advantage of not being on Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, Tumblr and Myspace.

"Scrolling hurts my finger"

(and FitzBuck was clearly the winner)

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BroJim's picture

Yeah, sounds like one just needs to avoid social media.

I season my simple food with hunger

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Byaaaahhh's picture

I never go on twitter but I ventured in to see Jeffrey's tweets and got lost for like 15 minutes reading awful tweet after awful tweet, perpetually cringing. (Not all from Jeffrey)

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Denny's picture

Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.

Taquitos.

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Boxley's picture

First paragraph in and I started thinking Skid 21, Skid 21. I then quickly realized the quality of emotive writing made it a Ramzy piece, and he actually called him out. Justifiably so for his (Skid 21) continued pretension of not acknowledging his own asswholiness in yesterdays piece.. Gotta clean off my compute screen now from

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, this is going to be a heck of fun read for some time.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

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blu.fan's picture

Yep, I don't have a twitter account, and would never consider contacting a recruit, whether via twitter, FB, or any other means. Just creepy.

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BlueBayou's picture

I thought tweeting recruits was bad enough, never thought about Snapchat.  I seriously hope nobody is crazy enough to be sending pics of themselves to recruits.

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Oyster's picture

I'm glad somebody picked up on that.

"Scrolling hurts my finger"

(and FitzBuck was clearly the winner)

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Baroclinicity's picture

I just live in ignorance and assume everything will be fine and we'll end up with great players no matter who they are.  Rarely fails me.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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Denster's picture

I like this.

"It's a double-barreled pistol that fires hard work and victory..."

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blu.fan's picture

Great philosophy! Seriously, Urban Meyer and any decent coaches have their own means of assessing talent. The number of stars, or group think on who is good, simply isn't nearly as important. I'd rather watch the games than follow all the recruiting drama.

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Killer nuts's picture

This article should be required reading for 11 Warriors members in order to join the lounge

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doofenshmirtz's picture

And after you do the required reading and before you are allowed to create an account, you should pass a quiz on the required reading.  Nothing too complex, maybe on the same level of some corporate training webinars about sexual harassment or insider trading.  Something that if you even remotely paid attention, you could slam dunk.
 

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Shangheyed's picture

As long as there is NO MATH!

Shangheyed's picture

And further more!!!  Sorry Double Post.

southbuc's picture

Along with not wearing jump suits, gold chains or pinkie rings...

Gametime's picture

I could be wrong Denny, but isn't this technically saying: Don't Follow Recruiting Without Being Creepy?

Between goals and achievement is discipline and consistency. That fire you have inside to do whatever you love is placed there by God. Now go claim it. ~ Denzel Washington

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Denny's picture

Ah, dammit. Perhaps I should have tripled the length of my article to more clearly state my point.

How To Follow Recruiting Without Being Creepy: A Three-Word Article.

Don't Follow Recruiting.

Taquitos.

+6 HS
rekrul's picture

LOL!  AWESOME!!!

Out Work, Out Think, Out Play!!!

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Oyster's picture

Says the guy with the questionable screen name ; )

"Scrolling hurts my finger"

(and FitzBuck was clearly the winner)

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ronbizi's picture

That just made me smile and up vote both of you!

GoBucks713's picture

When you tweet recruits you are going....

OVER THE LINE!!!!

So stop being an asshole. Asshole.

-The Aristocrats!

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ShirtPants's picture
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BucksfanXC's picture

I'm going to link this article a lot in reply to comments on this site.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

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ITWASME's picture

The grandma thing had me dying!

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EazyElmo's picture

It's a double-edged sword really. I've seen recruits ask for "Buckeye Nation" or "Sooner Nation" or whomever to help them get over so many followers on twitter. 

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ralEbuckI's picture

With all due respect, but that sounds like something an asshole would say. And I said "with all due respect" so you can't get upset. 

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Wilkins78's picture

I get where he is coming from though.  I 100% agree that only assholes would tweet recruits and would never do that, though I have little sympathy for people saying "show me love, get me to 10k followers" and crap like that.  Do they really think a large percentage of that 10k is going to be made up of well-adjusted individuals?  *shrug*

"Don't be an asshole" is just such a good rule to live by in general, other than just in following recruiting.

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EazyElmo's picture

It usually takes people much longer to figure out I'm an asshole, but you are above the curve, sir. Nowadays I always rely on Birm or Mike Young etc to inform me what a recruit is tweeting. And sometimes they retweet recruits asking for followers. I definitely believe its asshole-ish to bad mouth a recruit or an opposing school vying for said recruit. 

Plus "I don't know what to do with my hands" 

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ralEbuckI's picture

It's easy for me to recognize being one myself.

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Buckeye80's picture

Following a person does not mean you have to tweet them.

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Borrowed Time's picture

Ramzy's writing is pure magic.

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NStahl94's picture

That's awesome just picturing someone who wrote some of those ridiculously creepy tweets reading this followed by getting all embarrassed.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

That's awesome just picturing someone who wrote some of those ridiculously creepy tweets reading this followed by getting all embarrassed indignant & making excuses.

Fixed.

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dubjayfootball90's picture

This. WasIS. PERFECT!!!!!

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

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Hovenaut's picture

This piece is NSFW.

I have people looking at me like I'm crazy, and my monitor just took a bath.

+14 HS
Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

There I was just minding my own business, reading along & nodding...

Then I got to "What are you all so happy? She's going to die soon!" and lost it.

Best use of actuarial tables ever.
 

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BuckNutzGasMan's picture

BEST ARTICLE EVER!! :-)

+3 HS
jedkat's picture

Knock Knock?

Who's There?

No one, don't tweet at recruits.

"Can we please stop the message board fighting? I really can't stand the message board fighting..."

"No. You're an idiot, and your posts are terrible."

+15 HS
703Buckeye's picture

Woah there... Skid just got burned by Ramzy!

We all know how much Skid loves gif's/jpegs...

 

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

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Squirrel Master's picture

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

+6 HS
Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Don't be a jerk.

Read my entire screen name....

+3 HS
741's picture

What kind of asshole wouldn't love this article?

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MikeNugents BigToe's picture

Is that Ramzy Nasrallah music? (11w fans blow up in excitement, drown in the sarcasm and love every moment) Stay golden Pony Boy.

"Remember that 55 yarder against Marshall?" -Not Mike Nugent

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MikeNugents BigToe's picture

and Casey Anthony photo in OSU gear? Nobody was spared for this article. 

 

"Remember that 55 yarder against Marshall?" -Not Mike Nugent

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German Buckeye's picture

I'm sorry, who is Casey Anthony - I'm serious.  Is it a celebrity or someone I should know as a faithful Buckeye fan?  Apologize if I'm insulting anyone.

Chief B1G Dump's picture

There was very public and lengthy trial that was an absolute media frenzy where she was accused of killing her own daughter.  There were a million bizzarre twists and turns to the case (you can google it all if you are so inclined)...but ultimately she was acquitted.  Very similar to the OJ trial in the fact that she was 1000% guilty in the public eye but got off.  During the massive media coverage, there were a number of pictures splashed across the news outlets of her in OSU gear...I believe she has family here and it has also been rumored that she has been in hiding in the Dayton area.  Being that the media shredded her and most people are convinced of her guilt, obviously not someone most folks want to see wearing their favorite teams gear.

 

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tommrkr's picture

Dayton

Of course. 

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Earle's picture

I can only assume you were stationed abroad during the whole tragic story of Casey's two year old daughter, Caylee.  If so, consider yourself fortunate to have missed it.

I found this brief recap.  Obviously more to the story, little of it good.  No idea why she's wearing Buckeye gear.

Have you tried Not Your Father's Root Beer?  It tastes just like the real thing, but it packs a punch (5.9%ABV).  It's a little sweet for me though.  Two is my limit.

+3 HS
German Buckeye's picture

Thanks for the info.  I was stationed in Germany from 2009-2012, so if the story broke during that period, I wasn't aware. 

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daveyt11's picture

Thank you for your service!!!

OSUmuFAN's picture

I'd be happy to catch you up on things not related to the military, world events, or David Hasselhoff since you probably got that news in Germany.

2009-

Poor super bowl that year, don't worry about that, not important.  Dow Jones hits rock bottom.  Pirates still exist off the coast of Somalia, who knew. Bryan Cranston is awesome at acting.  OSU beat TSUN.  Tiger Woods got caught cheating on his wife and all hell broke loose.

2010-

OSU wins Rose Bowl.  Saints won the super bowl, this really happened.  Lebron turns heel and is an ass. Bryan Cranston is still awesome.  OSU beats TSUN again.

2011-

OSU beats SEC in a bowl game.  I don't care what people say, we all saw it.  Packers win an awesome super bowl over the Steelers.  Jim Tressel resigns from OSU.  I believe the College football season was skipped that year due to the tornado outbreak or something along those lines.  

2012- OSU highers Urban Meyer.  Giants win super bowl.  OSU beats TSUN again for an undefeated season. 

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Florida Woman - who at best helped dump her daughter's body in the woods after an accidental death or at worst murdered the girl herself. She moved to Ohio after a well publicized trial and has been photographed wearing Ohio State gear.

+3 HS
buckeyedude's picture

She and her family are originally from Ohio and moved to Florida, where, drum roll, if I remember correctly, her dad is a retired cop. But I think they have family here as well.

But suffice it to say: Casey Anthony is an asshole.

 

 

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Nutty's picture

But suffice it to say: Casey Anthony is an asshole.

Yes she is. And after the brain dead jury released her she came to Columbus to live for awhile. Was seen at the Old Navy off Sawmill (I don't even want to tell you how I know that). I think she and Skid will get movie deals and live out the rest of their lives in comfort. Too bad life isn't fair.

-2 HS
toad1204's picture

Was the final question from Jeopardy with Sean Connery?

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

+5 HS
Buckeye in Illini country's picture

I always thought Stone Cold wasted a lot of beer.

Columbus to Pasadena: 35 hours.  "We're on a road trip through the desert looking for strippers and cocaine... and Rose Bowl wins!"

+8 HS
HouseHarleyBuilt's picture

Someone should tweet a link of this to that Jeff guy. I don't have a Twitter account or I would.

Treat every opponent as if they are capable of beating you, because guess what? They are.

toad1204's picture

or Jeff's wife.  Thatd probably end his twitter career.

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

+3 HS
cronimi's picture

No longer necessary, it seems. His entire account appears to have gone *poof*.

+1 HS
Squirrel Master's picture

Skid is not an asshole, prove me wrong!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

+13 HS
Boxley's picture

Interestingly enough, no takers, probably did not have any proof, beyond,

"I have read his comments in the past and"...................

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

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MackRM408's picture

A-MA-ZING. I hope this article reaches the farthest corners of the college football internet.

+2 HS
MikeNugents BigToe's picture

Skid right now....

"Remember that 55 yarder against Marshall?" -Not Mike Nugent

+11 HS
skid21's picture

Not at all. Having a negative opinion and getting called out on it is to be expected.

+4 HS
Jason Priestas's picture

If it matters, I agree that 11W shouldn't be a place to stamp out negative opinions. We're a better community when we're diverse, and there's often value in dissenting opinions. But, as Ramzy pointed out, there's a time and a place because recruits/commitments read these pieces, it's one of the biggest days of their young lives, so sometimes it's best to voice concerns later or in a side thread.

Still, props for showing up in the comments. I would have unplugged the internet.

skid21's picture

Seriously? Unplug the internet due to criticism? Guess I haven't made my life that narrow yet.

-12 HS
Jason Priestas's picture

No not seriously. It wasn't meant to be read literally.

EazyElmo's picture

Was is meant figuratively? 

-1 HS
BUCKI06's picture

Wait a minute...you're telling me I can't actually unplug the internet?

 

"As long as we're keeping score, we're gonna try to win this thing." - UFM

+25 HS
skid21's picture

Of course I didn't take it literally. I just took it to mean you thought I should be shamed into disappearing. OK, no problem.  Sorry for all those I offended. Was just voicing an opinion, however crudely.

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BuckeyeVet's picture

"Assholes generally don't have the attention span to read anything other than tweets or message board posts that they've written. If anyone responds to them (usually it's along the lines of wow you're an asshole) they'll respond. Usually they'll double-down on being an asshole."

And here we have proof that Ramzy is correct - that assholes don't realize they are being assholes. Honestly, Skid, the way to express your opinion that some guy will not pan out for OSU is to say -   "IMO, I think this player may not live up to expectations. We'll have to  see over the next 4 years how he does. On a personal level I wish him nothing but the best, and hope he proves me wrong by being the next Orlando Pace". 

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx

"The recipient of Oyster's ONLY down vote".

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OSU_1992_UFM's picture

Get called out and yet you continue to be an asshole

Spring football is like non-alcoholic beer.  It looks like what you want, but only intensifies your desire for the real thing--Earle

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Seriously? Unplug the internet due to criticism? Guess I haven't made my life that narrow yet.

THIS is your takeaway?

+11 HS
ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

What's that old saying?  Pride comes before the fall...

I'm all for entitlement to opinions.  I also commend when one owns up to it, and I know it's hard when it seems that your own kind are trying to eat you alive, but sometimes, the best course of action is to walk away.

 

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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Xenia_Buckeye's picture

Not only did i upvote you, but on this issue I agree with you.

If you don't want people to post dissenting opinion, then stop letting people post on that type of article at all. If you want a site full of nothing but YES-men then by all means squelch free speech for the dissenters. Might just as well become the JJHuddle.com of college football.

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dubjayfootball90's picture

Not a site of yes-men, and they are not promoting a site of yes-men. What is being promoted is a kid just made one of, if not THE most important decision of his life, and we have people saying, more or less, they would rather he not have committed, or possibly insinuating he is not worthy of a scholarship offer because of his stars or other offers. Free speech is fine and dandy until you start inhibiting on the rights of other people, then 'you' become an asshole and are labeled as one. (I say 'you' in quotations because I do not mean YOU, Xenia, just my take). Free speech allows you to say what you want, it DOES NOT shield you from criticism. 

Its like if I go into the waiting room of a transplant surgery department and sell my pitch for the family members to buy a coffin. I was within my right since I have free speech, but you better believe I will be label as an asshole... (Crude example, I know hospitals probably do not allow coffin solicitors).

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

+16 HS
Squirrel Master's picture

You sell coffins dude? cool.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

+6 HS
Hovenaut's picture

At the end of the day, we're all adults (if not, you usually don't last too long around here).

There's no reason why any of us cannot carry on a respectful discussion full of varying viewpoints and opinions in a constructive and respectful manner.

We're also human. I have a temper (the mancave has scars), and have let it slip by here a few times. But I (try to) learn from it, and move forward in a positive fashion.

Be proud, be original, say what you have to say. We all have that right.

But don't be negative...or worse yet, be negative in a cavalier-like fashion. In the end, that sort of attitude is just a colossal waste of time.

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Denny's picture

your a adult

Taquitos.

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ITWASME's picture

Hey man I'm 16...WHATCHU TRYIN TO SAY??? I kid I kid

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Squirrel Master's picture

I think you need to look up the definition of YES-men. I highly doubt this site is "full of nothing but YES-men" with a few "dissenters".

and asking a poster to just be respectful isn't exactly "squelching free speech".
 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

+5 HS
Jason Priestas's picture

If you don't want people to post dissenting opinion, then stop letting people post on that type of article at all. If you want a site full of nothing but YES-men then by all means squelch free speech for the dissenters. Might just as well become the JJHuddle.com of college football.

Ah, the free speech guy shows up. You know, freedom of speech only applies to you and the government. Not private websites, not your workplace, and if you're married, not with your wife.

I thought I was clear above when I said we want diverse opinions, even those that are dissenting. We're just asking for some decorum and recognition of a time and place to express said opinions.

SOF_Buckeye's picture

Exactly. If that is hard for some to understand, use Ramzy's birthday party analogy. If someone wants to be a Debbie-downer, make your own thread and invite all your 'glass half empty' friends over to commiserate with you.

"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes

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chicagobuckeye's picture

@SOF_BUCKEYE, that's not really the point. More of what Jason, and Ramzy are saying is that if you are just going to be an asshole don't post at all. Even if there is an article about a commitment, making another about how much you hate the commitment doesn't really negate the assholeness.

Oldschoolbuck's picture

You know my wife, Jason?

+2 HS
cplunk's picture

You just beat hell out of that strawman.

Nobody is suggesting 11W should be a page without dissent.

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jedkat's picture

FREE SPEECH IS GOOD ONLY IF I HAVE IT RAWWWWWWWW

'You', certainly, have the right to free speech; just like I, certainly, have the right to call someone out for being an asshole and down-voting them into oblivion.

"Can we please stop the message board fighting? I really can't stand the message board fighting..."

"No. You're an idiot, and your posts are terrible."

+2 HS
osu07asu10's picture

 Usually they'll double-down on being an asshole.

Ramzy, can you tell me what Friday's lotto numbers are? How about where I'll be in 5 years? You nailed this better than Babe Ruth calling his own shot!

CJDPHoS Board of Directors // Best friends with Homey Hache

The 0 is silent.

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Wilkins78's picture

That's not what you were called out on.  Posting in that thread the way you did was the same as soccer haters posting in a soccer discussion thread.  It would be the same thing as someone going into a well-thought-out and respectfully worded thread about whether or not you think a recruit was the best option that you could have created and posting something insinuating your opinion is dumb. 

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Yes.  As a rule of thumb one should always comment something like: "Congrats to the young man and I can't wait to watch him rip it up on the Olentangy on Saturdays."  Something like that...

CJDPHoS Board of Directors

Go get your shine box, Gumar!

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cplunk's picture

Exactly, Wilkins78. In order to not be an asshole, it helps to bear in mind that sometimes your thoughts aren't that valuable, and don't actually need to be stated for others.

We all slip up and do assholic things sometimes, just try not to make it a habit.

+4 HS
Northbrook's picture

I jumped on the downvote bandwagon for Skid after his negative comments on Schmidt but quickly changed to just not reading his comments. I will continue to ignore him until he brings me a shrubbery.

+9 HS
Boxley's picture

Perhaps a small Yew............, no in this case more like a full blown, complete assshhhhh...

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

+3 HS
BuckNutzGasMan's picture

Maybe this is me being a recruiting ass hole but I was at Arizona State for high school 7 on 7 last week.

Word on the street with the parents (parents in general NOT Kirk's parents) is that Kirk is 100% A&M. I'm really hoping for a buckeye push. Go get him Urbs!!

+3 HS
stittracer99's picture

World records that Ramzy just broke (probably);

- Most times the word asshole has been written in a single article posted to the interwebz

- Most variations of the word asshole (i.e assholery, assholiest, assholing, et al)

- Most incredible public shaming of an 11W site member ever (sorry Skid, but he's right)

+24 HS
Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Can you do a PART II next week titled, "What to do when you encounter an asshole?"

While I never agreed with anything from the 11W poster highlighted in the article, I can't help but think (know) other 11W posters did nothing but advance the situation to the further and higher levels of asshole.  As you mention, intentions weren't bad (at least at first) and things only got really ugly with repeated pestering.  The whole point of the site is for discussion, there is no discussion if we propagate the same perspective and opinion.  Granted there's a time and a place as is pointed out, but E + R = O.  

Read my entire screen name....

+2 HS
Squirrel Master's picture

he started out with negativity, he wasn't goaded into saying this,

Did what? Beat Minny and Iowa St. for a commitment?

and even with a simple reply he went off from there about the kid. This from Ramzy is the whole point of why myself and others have issue with him being negative,

Second, crapping on a kid who has just pledged his college years to Ohio State - in a column that features direct quotes from him (spoiler: Of course he read it)

I do wonder if Skid knew that the kid he was bashing reads this, like many other recruits. Again, I will equate his comments to walking into a wedding and farting on the cake, then wonder why everyone is upset with him. If he wanted to go off on a specific forum about the quality of the recruits we are getting, that is fine. But not on the one article that is supposed to celebrate an athlete making his choice to play for OSU. God forbid the kid wants to play for an elite team and assholes like Skid want to make it about his desires of who HE (or she, I don't really know) would prefer to accept the offer.

I just don't understand why someone would hate on a kid for wanting to be apart of the best damn team in the land, and a fan base that wants to celebrate it. That is an asshole in the finest sense of the word!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

+16 HS
Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

You're right.  He started it.  (What are we children? Pointing fingers to get ourselves out of trouble?)  I don't agree with anything he said.  He screwed up. He was an asshole. 

But you and others ARE STILL CARRYING ON ABOUT HIM!!!  Even on this thread you guys are still being assholes to him.  If you guys could drop it now or could have dropped it then, it would not have evolved into the scene that it was.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  

Read my entire screen name....

-6 HS
Squirrel Master's picture

hey, I made a joke above in sarcastic font. I really have no desire to rehash and continue. I'm just responding to your point that he was somehow forced to speak his mind. If you read the first couple of responses to him, they asked him to be respectful and not be negative. He escalated it all himself. Its not his opinion we all had issue with, its the time and place he shared it.

and you must be including Ramzy into that category because he was the original "you guys are still being assholes to him". He brought it up, take it up with him. Still doesn't change the fact that he wrote negatively about a recruit on the one story that is supposed to celebrate him.

but you are correct, I've wasted enough time on this and will move on.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

+11 HS
Boxley's picture

Sorry Squirrel, that I can only give you one upvote for this. Well said, and if anyone does not get it from your well worded comment, they may be in that certain category that is the main topic here today.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I agree and think that much should be crystal clear. My point however, is that by having a bunch of people ganging up after the fact is no better and makes it actually worse. So while skid was an asshole with respect to the recruit, numerous others were assholes to him, thus starting the asshole-nado where people just go round and round being assholes.

Again, E + R = O. You can't control skids comments but you can control how you respond. I think if the community responded better than the situation wouldn't have gotten as bad. 

Read my entire screen name....

-2 HS
osu07asu10's picture

Again, E + R = O. You can't control skids comments but you can control how you respond. I think if the community responded better than the situation wouldn't have gotten as bad. 

I really didn't jump into the fire on this one but pointing out Skid is being an asshole doesn't make people pointing him being an asshole out, an asshole themselves.

Your point has merit, but I'd rather be assholes to an asshole than a complete asshole to a kid who did nothing but pledge his blood, sweat, and tears to a program we all love dearly. 

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The 0 is silent.

+9 HS
UrbanDreamz's picture

Ramzy goading me into a scroll through the twitter world of @JeffreyHaug1. 

Just like Mike McD I came back for more.

"Twelve months ago on Jan. 9, my mom's birthday, I made the decision to come back. I had one goal in mind and that was to win a national championship."  ~Mike Doss

+5 HS
brband64's picture

 

"Maybe the Big Ten is not that bad. Maybe it's pretty damn good.'' ~ Urban Meyer

+3 HS
swainpm's picture

Perfectly written Ramzy. If only some of tOSU fans on ESPiN had to read this before they could go on the comments board. So tired of the fanbase's reputation getting dragged through the toilet by as@h@les!

+2 HS
BTBuckeye's picture

Donny: "Who's an asshole, Walter?"

Walter: "Shut the f*ck up Donny. Tweets at recruits...no I'm serious, with a record"

Jesus (Asshole): "We got a date on Gray Box day baby!!!"

Walter: "16 year-olds Dude..."

+8 HS
teddyballgame's picture

This concludes the Eleven Warriors public service announcement.  We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...

+5 HS
Groveport Heisman's picture

Nice masterpiece from Ramzy ,right on time for recruiting to heat up.

Mark my words..I don't need acceptance. I'm catching interceptions on you innocent pedestrians.

+2 HS
PG_BUCK's picture

Thank you Ramzy...a long overdue and awesome piece!!

Go BUCKS!

+3 HS
DCNick's picture

When I first got into twitter I starting following some recruits and it just seemed so creepy to me. They're just kids. I rarely do it now and I draw the line at favoriting a tweet that mentions Ohio State. Like someone announcing a commitment. No replying. No retweeting. No tweeting about them. Hopefully that doesn't cross the line.

+2 HS
IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Way to go Skid! Never draw the negative attention of Ramzy. He's to word-smithing you into the ground what Beatrix Kiddoe is to a Hattori Hanzo sword against the Crazy 88s.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

+3 HS
Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I honestly think you should get your 11W membership revoked for tweeting and/or facebooking recruits.

Read my entire screen name....

+11 HS
bucki5's picture

Following our recruiting progress during the off season helps build some excitement for the future of the program, but as someone not directly involved in recruiting I tend to 1: Trust the coaching staff to recruit areas of need with the right players to fit the team culture and 2:Leave the reporting to the professionals (ie visit this site as often as possible). 

+2 HS
Seth4Bucks's picture

Directions unclear, tweeted recruits.

+6 HS
Ethan_Buck's picture

 

I dont always root for college athletics, but when i do (which is most of the time) I choose THE Ohio State Buckeyes.

+15 HS
WC Buckeye's picture

The real problem with assholes is that they relish being assholes. Genuinely. When people call them on their assholiness, they groove on it and then seek to really display it. You can't ever get the last word with an asshole (and shouldn't try to get it in, either - it makes you look like an asshole to the asshole and eventually to most everyone else, even when most acknowledge your righteousness), so the better approach is to ignore them. They hate that. Trolls = assholes = attention whores. Ignore.

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

+6 HS
NW Buckeye's picture

One of my favorite quotes is "Don't wrestle with a pig, the pig enjoys it and you both get dirty!" 

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cplunk's picture

George Bernard Shaw, I think. But I'm often wrong so don't take my answer as gospel.

AndyVance's picture

I usually get confused if this quote is Churchill or Twain, but it's actually been attributed from everyone in history, it seems, from George Bernard Shaw to Abe Lincoln. It's apparently just one of those proverbs that has been around since time immemorial. 

+2 HS
NW Buckeye's picture

That was Shaw.  The actual quote is:  "I learned a long time ago, never wrestle with a pig.  You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

I actually have a list of quotes in a frame in my office.  It starts out with that one.  Here are the rest:

"Never argue with an idiot, people watching may not be able to tell the difference."

"Observe everything, admire nothing"

"If you want a new idea, read an old book"

"It's easier to obtain forgiveness than permission."

"Don't ask the question if you can't live with the answer."

"Never resist the opportunity to keep your mouth shut."

"If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there."

"Never accept a philosophy which supports a lack of courage."

"Never look back unless you intend to go that way."

I put those up in my office over 25 years ago.  They seem more apropos than ever in today's world of social media!

+14 HS
Earle's picture

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

Widely attributed to Lincoln, but may predate even him.

Have you tried Not Your Father's Root Beer?  It tastes just like the real thing, but it packs a punch (5.9%ABV).  It's a little sweet for me though.  Two is my limit.

+6 HS
MN Buckeye's picture

Thanks for this, NW. I hope you don't mind that I behaved as an asshole and copied them to print and post on my (literal) wall.

+1 HS
NW Buckeye's picture

Don't mind at all, they were meant to be shared!
 

+2 HS
1967Buck's picture

Nice quote. Writing it down now.

woodcocklives@osu's picture

Criticizing offers here, in the midst of "trust urban" drum bangers is fair game, yes?  Particularly, when such offers contradict the biggest cheerleaders premise, yes?

 

 

-10 HS
Wilkins78's picture

It's not about what opinion you have, it's how and where you present it.  Will you get some flack for an unpopular opinion from some folks regardless? Probably.  But, if you're an asshole about it, nobody is likely to be on your side.

+9 HS
Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Ramzy did forget to mention one kind of asshole.

The one who only makes negative posts and applies derogatory labels to the mainstream.

Often that type likes to view themselves as the sole 'voice of reason' among a sea of 'kool aid drinkers'.

+9 HS
clogan1032's picture

But, but, I've seen him play and I can judge talent better then the highly paid coaching staff...

+9 HS
YTOWNBUCKI's picture

This is why I generally steer clear of commenting on recruiting articles. 

Don't get me wrong they're great to read, but the assholery that ensues is not my idea of fun.

I laughed way too hard at my desk though at this one.  Pure comedic (and journalistic) gold.

CJDPHoS Board of Directors

Go get your shine box, Gumar!

+1 HS
Unky Buck's picture

Pardon me, but this guy's an asshole too...

 

Rock over London; Rock on Chicago. Timex: It takes a lickin' but keeps on tickin'

+8 HS
Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Yes he is. Convicted sex offender.

+4 HS
WGH893's picture

Great post

76 Chittenden

Stinson's picture

Jeff Haug: Asshole

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

+3 HS
BroJim's picture

Love all the photos- the caption on the Casey Anthony picture was simple and great.  Good bit Ramzy, wish we saw more of you.

I season my simple food with hunger

+4 HS
CCatanzaro's picture

Enlightening and sharp as a razor blade as always.  Did anyone else think this read like a Cracked article?

Dairy-fed intellect and pure, unhinged sass.

 

+2 HS
Ethan_Buck's picture

If you tweet recruits

 

I dont always root for college athletics, but when i do (which is most of the time) I choose THE Ohio State Buckeyes.

+6 HS
FitzBuck's picture

(The first step is admitting to the problem)  

Hi I'm Fitzbuck....and I'm an asshole.

i once posted to Big Mechy on 11w and awarded him helmet stickers.  Forgive me everyone.

 

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

+12 HS
chicagobuckeye's picture

Hi I'm Chicagobuckeye...and I'm an asshole.

I created a thread just for Meechy to answer questions opening him up for upvotes.

+1 HS
Ethan_Buck's picture

BTW Ramzy

 

I dont always root for college athletics, but when i do (which is most of the time) I choose THE Ohio State Buckeyes.

+13 HS

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