11W Etiquette: Following Recruiting Without Being an Asshole

By Ramzy Nasrallah on June 11, 2014 at 11:15a
that's just like your opinion man
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Chances are you aren't trying to be an asshole.

The vast majority of assholish behavior is fleeting or unintentional; a product of being ill-informed, uninformed or simply misunderstood. Fortunately all of those root causes  can be effectively addressed through corrective action. 

Addressed, meaning ultimately it's still up to you to be the change everyone wants you to be. Welcome to 11W Etiquette. We're all here to get better. Less assholey, if you will.

casey anthony
Casey Anthony: Also an asshole.

If you have great passion for Ohio State football recruiting but aren't an asshole, you can go ahead and skip to the third section entitled Don't Skip To The Third Section You Idiot We Just Said Assholes Don't Realize They're Assholes. 

This lesson will be quick and to the point by design, because assholes generally don't have the attention span to read anything other than tweets or message board posts that they've written. If anyone responds to them (usually it's along the lines of wow you're an asshole) they'll respond. Usually they'll double-down on being an asshole.

We've put this self-study course together for two reasons: 

1) As an 11W reader you're probably a Buckeye fan. We care about our tribe and want it to be great.

2) Nobody likes assholes. They're a pox on the world. Even assholes don't like other assholes.

Let's get started. Note: We're not going to tell you how to behave, act or think. We're simply defining assholish behavior where recruiting is concerned, and it's up to you to decide if you want to be like that or not like that. We're hoping it's the latter.


Only Assholes Tweet at Recruits

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Michael Ferns committed to Michigan prior to his senior year in high school. Here we have a Buckeye fan putting him in his place for making that decision.

Note that Ohio State is currently recruiting his talented little brother and this kind of online abuse probably doesn't resonate well with the Ferns family. But it's not as if this guy has pestered recruits befo -

don't

The full spectrum of assholery: The spurned lover, the desperate prom date and the condescending father Terrelle Pryor never wanted to meet. 

Don't think for a second that this is poor form because of the content or execution. It's poor form because only assholes tweet at recruits. < - - - repeat as often as necessary

Gauge Your Progress

Which of the following three commenters on QB recruit Torrance Gibson's Facebook page are assholes?

assholes. all of you

Finish cringing. We'll wait.

Answer: All of them. The third guy simply takes it to the creepiest level imaginable. Duane and Fred could be eligible for asshole waivers if they actually know or are classmates of Mr. Gibson's, because only an asshole would suggest people who personally know recruits shouldn't be able to talk to them.

Speaking of the third guy - 

no
noo
NOOOOOO

Jeff gets an asshole medal for giving recruiting orders to Urban Meyer.

Grand asshole finale:

WAREFARE WHAT THE FUCK IS WAREFARE

Urban Warefare. Spelling might not be his strong suit, but at least he didn't throw in an apostrophe for no damn reas -

STOP ABUSING APOSTROPHES

Fans of irony will love Jeff's twitter feed which - in addition to all of the assholery - is full of pleas from him to others begging them to stop tweeting at him. [Ed: Jeff deleted his Twitter account shortly after this article was published]

That's because tweeting at strangers and telling them what you would like them to do with their lives is creepy. Always. There are no exceptions to this rule, and those who break it are categorically assholes. 

tweeting AT STRANGERS AND telling them what you would like them to do WITH THEIR LIVES is creepy. Always.

This isn't about Jeff specifically because there are thousands of Jeffs. They think they're witty, needed, heeded and helping. They're none of those things. They're just assholes. Some of them even have trouble spelling warfare.

Closing note for assholes thinking what about Birm? He tweets at recruits. Birm is a paid journalist covering recruiting for a credentialed media organization that gets millions of hits a week during the offseason. He's working. You're just assholing.


Only Assholes Commit NCAA Violations

You think NCAA rules on amateurism are stupid, because you're edgy, brash and, well, mostly correct. As usual, it doesn't matter what you think. Don't give or offer to give Ohio State's recruits anything. This should be less controversial than the tweeting stuff.

By the way, every time a fan tweets at a recruit that fan is committing an NCAA violation. Even worse, that fan is an asshole.

Gauge Your Progress

Is this tweet an NCAA violation?

Answer: Yes, it is. Committed by the CEO of Twitter, which makes him an #asshole.


Only Assholes BASH Verbal Commitments

Earlier this week Grant Schmidt committed to Ohio State. He was vetted, offered and accepted by Ohio State's football coaches. Grant is an athletic freak, capable of jumping nearly 10 feet without a running start (he is a high school offensive tackle) and he fills a position of great need.

However, the South Dakota high school junior's offer list isn't yet teeming with program names that are frequently batted around on the ESPN family of networks, which apparently siphons away confidence some assholes have in Urban Meyer since he has yet to prove he can competently run an FBS program.

When Ohio State - with arguably the most aggressive and exhaustive recruiting machine it has ever had - offers a committable scholarship to a high school boy who then accepts it, there's one sane reaction: Happiness. 

Unless you're an asshole. From the comments in Grant Schmidt's commitment story:

derp
derrrp
derrrrrrrrrp

A couple things about this series of giant farts in the midst of a long-standing site tradition that is specifically constructed to be a congratulatory celebration: First - 

"Skid21 Attends Grandma's 95th Birthday Party" (a play in one act) (fiction)

[everyone] Happy birthday, Grandma! We love you!

[Skid21] What are you all so happy? She's going to die soon!

[everyone] What's wrong with you? 

[Skid21] Prove me wrong. I've seen the actuarial tables. 

[everyone] She can hear you, dummy.

[Skid21] You still haven't proved me wrong. 

Second, crapping on a kid who has just pledged his college years to Ohio State - in a column that features direct quotes from him (spoiler: Of course he read it) is among the assholiest things you can do. That's a gold starfish right there.

If you're not impressed by an Ohio State verbal commitment's offer list you may think it's a good idea to make your opinion known in his commitment story. That way Urban might rescind the offer, apologize to you personally and go back to the drawing board. Perhaps you could submit to him your list of preferred recruWHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, ASSHOLE?

Let's peek back at the beginning of this lesson:

Assholes generally don't have the attention span to read anything other than tweets or message board posts that they've written. If anyone responds to them (usually it's along the lines of wow you're an asshole) they'll respond. Usually they'll double-down on being an asshole.

If you find yourself behaving like this, guess what. Yup. 

Gauge Your Progress

A current high school junior's scholarship offers includes Ohio State. Does that make it a great offer list?

a) Yes.

b) Not no.


Hope this has been useful. Assholes, you may now get back to tweeting at recruits.


An earlier edition of this article contained tweets that have since been deleted. They have been replaced with screen caps of those tweets. The Internet never forgets.

258 Comments

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Denny's picture

How To Follow Recruiting Without Being Creepy: A One-Word Article.

Don't.

Taquitos.

+37 HS
Oyster's picture

Thus the built in advantage of not being on Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, Tumblr and Myspace.

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

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BroJim's picture

Yeah, sounds like one just needs to avoid social media.

I season my simple food with hunger

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Byaaaahhh's picture

I never go on twitter but I ventured in to see Jeffrey's tweets and got lost for like 15 minutes reading awful tweet after awful tweet, perpetually cringing. (Not all from Jeffrey)

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Denny's picture

Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.

Taquitos.

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Boxley's picture

First paragraph in and I started thinking Skid 21, Skid 21. I then quickly realized the quality of emotive writing made it a Ramzy piece, and he actually called him out. Justifiably so for his (Skid 21) continued pretension of not acknowledging his own asswholiness in yesterdays piece.. Gotta clean off my compute screen now from

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, this is going to be a heck of fun read for some time.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

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blu.fan's picture

Yep, I don't have a twitter account, and would never consider contacting a recruit, whether via twitter, FB, or any other means. Just creepy.

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BlueBayou's picture

I thought tweeting recruits was bad enough, never thought about Snapchat.  I seriously hope nobody is crazy enough to be sending pics of themselves to recruits.

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Oyster's picture

I'm glad somebody picked up on that.

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

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Baroclinicity's picture

I just live in ignorance and assume everything will be fine and we'll end up with great players no matter who they are.  Rarely fails me.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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Denster's picture

I like this.

"It's a double-barreled pistol that fires hard work and victory..."

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blu.fan's picture

Great philosophy! Seriously, Urban Meyer and any decent coaches have their own means of assessing talent. The number of stars, or group think on who is good, simply isn't nearly as important. I'd rather watch the games than follow all the recruiting drama.

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Killer nuts's picture

This article should be required reading for 11 Warriors members in order to join the lounge

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doofenshmirtz's picture

And after you do the required reading and before you are allowed to create an account, you should pass a quiz on the required reading.  Nothing too complex, maybe on the same level of some corporate training webinars about sexual harassment or insider trading.  Something that if you even remotely paid attention, you could slam dunk.
 

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Shangheyed's picture

As long as there is NO MATH!

Shangheyed's picture

And further more!!!  Sorry Double Post.

southbuc's picture

Along with not wearing jump suits, gold chains or pinkie rings...

Gametime's picture

I could be wrong Denny, but isn't this technically saying: Don't Follow Recruiting Without Being Creepy?

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

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Denny's picture

Ah, dammit. Perhaps I should have tripled the length of my article to more clearly state my point.

How To Follow Recruiting Without Being Creepy: A Three-Word Article.

Don't Follow Recruiting.

Taquitos.

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rekrul's picture

LOL!  AWESOME!!!

Out Work, Out Think, Out Play!!!

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Oyster's picture

Says the guy with the questionable screen name ; )

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

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ronbizi's picture

That just made me smile and up vote both of you!

GoBucks713's picture

When you tweet recruits you are going....

OVER THE LINE!!!!

So stop being an asshole. Asshole.

-The Aristocrats!

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ShirtPants's picture
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BucksfanXC's picture

I'm going to link this article a lot in reply to comments on this site.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

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ITWASME's picture

The grandma thing had me dying!

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EazyElmo's picture

It's a double-edged sword really. I've seen recruits ask for "Buckeye Nation" or "Sooner Nation" or whomever to help them get over so many followers on twitter. 

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ralEbuckI's picture

With all due respect, but that sounds like something an asshole would say. And I said "with all due respect" so you can't get upset. 

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Wilkins78's picture

I get where he is coming from though.  I 100% agree that only assholes would tweet recruits and would never do that, though I have little sympathy for people saying "show me love, get me to 10k followers" and crap like that.  Do they really think a large percentage of that 10k is going to be made up of well-adjusted individuals?  *shrug*

"Don't be an asshole" is just such a good rule to live by in general, other than just in following recruiting.

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EazyElmo's picture

It usually takes people much longer to figure out I'm an asshole, but you are above the curve, sir. Nowadays I always rely on Birm or Mike Young etc to inform me what a recruit is tweeting. And sometimes they retweet recruits asking for followers. I definitely believe its asshole-ish to bad mouth a recruit or an opposing school vying for said recruit. 

Plus "I don't know what to do with my hands" 

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ralEbuckI's picture

It's easy for me to recognize being one myself.

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Buckeye80's picture

Following a person does not mean you have to tweet them.

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Borrowed Time's picture

Ramzy's writing is pure magic.

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NStahl94's picture

That's awesome just picturing someone who wrote some of those ridiculously creepy tweets reading this followed by getting all embarrassed.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

That's awesome just picturing someone who wrote some of those ridiculously creepy tweets reading this followed by getting all embarrassed indignant & making excuses.

Fixed.

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dubjayfootball90's picture

This. WasIS. PERFECT!!!!!

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

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Hovenaut's picture

This piece is NSFW.

I have people looking at me like I'm crazy, and my monitor just took a bath.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

There I was just minding my own business, reading along & nodding...

Then I got to "What are you all so happy? She's going to die soon!" and lost it.

Best use of actuarial tables ever.
 

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BuckNutzGasMan's picture

BEST ARTICLE EVER!! :-)

+3 HS
jedkat's picture

Knock Knock?

Who's There?

No one, don't tweet at recruits.

“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
~Zach Boren

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703Buckeye's picture

Woah there... Skid just got burned by Ramzy!

We all know how much Skid loves gif's/jpegs...

 

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

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Squirrel Master's picture

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Don't be a jerk.

Read my entire screen name....

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741's picture

What kind of asshole wouldn't love this article?

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MikeNugents BigToe's picture

Is that Ramzy Nasrallah music? (11w fans blow up in excitement, drown in the sarcasm and love every moment) Stay golden Pony Boy.

"Remember that 55 yarder against Marshall?" -Not Mike Nugent

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MikeNugents BigToe's picture

and Casey Anthony photo in OSU gear? Nobody was spared for this article. 

 

"Remember that 55 yarder against Marshall?" -Not Mike Nugent

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German Buckeye's picture

I'm sorry, who is Casey Anthony - I'm serious.  Is it a celebrity or someone I should know as a faithful Buckeye fan?  Apologize if I'm insulting anyone.

Chief B1G Dump's picture

There was very public and lengthy trial that was an absolute media frenzy where she was accused of killing her own daughter.  There were a million bizzarre twists and turns to the case (you can google it all if you are so inclined)...but ultimately she was acquitted.  Very similar to the OJ trial in the fact that she was 1000% guilty in the public eye but got off.  During the massive media coverage, there were a number of pictures splashed across the news outlets of her in OSU gear...I believe she has family here and it has also been rumored that she has been in hiding in the Dayton area.  Being that the media shredded her and most people are convinced of her guilt, obviously not someone most folks want to see wearing their favorite teams gear.

 

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tommrkr's picture

Dayton

Of course. 

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Earle's picture

I can only assume you were stationed abroad during the whole tragic story of Casey's two year old daughter, Caylee.  If so, consider yourself fortunate to have missed it.

I found this brief recap.  Obviously more to the story, little of it good.  No idea why she's wearing Buckeye gear.

Italics are for emphasis.

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German Buckeye's picture

Thanks for the info.  I was stationed in Germany from 2009-2012, so if the story broke during that period, I wasn't aware. 

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daveyt11's picture

Thank you for your service!!!

OSUmuFAN's picture

I'd be happy to catch you up on things not related to the military, world events, or David Hasselhoff since you probably got that news in Germany.

2009-

Poor super bowl that year, don't worry about that, not important.  Dow Jones hits rock bottom.  Pirates still exist off the coast of Somalia, who knew. Bryan Cranston is awesome at acting.  OSU beat TSUN.  Tiger Woods got caught cheating on his wife and all hell broke loose.

2010-

OSU wins Rose Bowl.  Saints won the super bowl, this really happened.  Lebron turns heel and is an ass. Bryan Cranston is still awesome.  OSU beats TSUN again.

2011-

OSU beats SEC in a bowl game.  I don't care what people say, we all saw it.  Packers win an awesome super bowl over the Steelers.  Jim Tressel resigns from OSU.  I believe the College football season was skipped that year due to the tornado outbreak or something along those lines.  

2012- OSU highers Urban Meyer.  Giants win super bowl.  OSU beats TSUN again for an undefeated season. 

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Florida Woman - who at best helped dump her daughter's body in the woods after an accidental death or at worst murdered the girl herself. She moved to Ohio after a well publicized trial and has been photographed wearing Ohio State gear.

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buckeyedude's picture

She and her family are originally from Ohio and moved to Florida, where, drum roll, if I remember correctly, her dad is a retired cop. But I think they have family here as well.

But suffice it to say: Casey Anthony is an asshole.

 

 

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Nutty's picture

But suffice it to say: Casey Anthony is an asshole.

Yes she is. And after the brain dead jury released her she came to Columbus to live for awhile. Was seen at the Old Navy off Sawmill (I don't even want to tell you how I know that). I think she and Skid will get movie deals and live out the rest of their lives in comfort. Too bad life isn't fair.

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toad1204's picture

Was the final question from Jeopardy with Sean Connery?

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

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Buckeye in Illini country's picture

I always thought Stone Cold wasted a lot of beer.

Columbus to Pasadena: 35 hours.  We're on a road trip through the desert looking for strippers and cocaine... and Rose Bowl wins!

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HouseHarleyBuilt's picture

Someone should tweet a link of this to that Jeff guy. I don't have a Twitter account or I would.

toad1204's picture

or Jeff's wife.  Thatd probably end his twitter career.

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

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cronimi's picture

No longer necessary, it seems. His entire account appears to have gone *poof*.

Squirrel Master's picture

Skid is not an asshole, prove me wrong!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

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Boxley's picture

Interestingly enough, no takers, probably did not have any proof, beyond,

"I have read his comments in the past and"...................

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

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MackRM408's picture

A-MA-ZING. I hope this article reaches the farthest corners of the college football internet.

+2 HS
MikeNugents BigToe's picture

Skid right now....

"Remember that 55 yarder against Marshall?" -Not Mike Nugent

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skid21's picture

Not at all. Having a negative opinion and getting called out on it is to be expected.

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Jason Priestas's picture

If it matters, I agree that 11W shouldn't be a place to stamp out negative opinions. We're a better community when we're diverse, and there's often value in dissenting opinions. But, as Ramzy pointed out, there's a time and a place because recruits/commitments read these pieces, it's one of the biggest days of their young lives, so sometimes it's best to voice concerns later or in a side thread.

Still, props for showing up in the comments. I would have unplugged the internet.

skid21's picture

Seriously? Unplug the internet due to criticism? Guess I haven't made my life that narrow yet.

-12 HS
Jason Priestas's picture

No not seriously. It wasn't meant to be read literally.

EazyElmo's picture

Was is meant figuratively? 

-1 HS
BUCKI06's picture

Wait a minute...you're telling me I can't actually unplug the internet?

 

"As long as we're keeping score, we're gonna try to win this thing." - UFM

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skid21's picture

Of course I didn't take it literally. I just took it to mean you thought I should be shamed into disappearing. OK, no problem.  Sorry for all those I offended. Was just voicing an opinion, however crudely.

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BuckeyeVet's picture

"Assholes generally don't have the attention span to read anything other than tweets or message board posts that they've written. If anyone responds to them (usually it's along the lines of wow you're an asshole) they'll respond. Usually they'll double-down on being an asshole."

And here we have proof that Ramzy is correct - that assholes don't realize they are being assholes. Honestly, Skid, the way to express your opinion that some guy will not pan out for OSU is to say -   "IMO, I think this player may not live up to expectations. We'll have to  see over the next 4 years how he does. On a personal level I wish him nothing but the best, and hope he proves me wrong by being the next Orlando Pace". 

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx

 

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OSU_1992_UFM's picture

Get called out and yet you continue to be an asshole

UFM_Renewal

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Seriously? Unplug the internet due to criticism? Guess I haven't made my life that narrow yet.

THIS is your takeaway?

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

What's that old saying?  Pride comes before the fall...

I'm all for entitlement to opinions.  I also commend when one owns up to it, and I know it's hard when it seems that your own kind are trying to eat you alive, but sometimes, the best course of action is to walk away.

 

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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Xenia_Buckeye's picture

Not only did i upvote you, but on this issue I agree with you.

If you don't want people to post dissenting opinion, then stop letting people post on that type of article at all. If you want a site full of nothing but YES-men then by all means squelch free speech for the dissenters. Might just as well become the JJHuddle.com of college football.

-5 HS
dubjayfootball90's picture

Not a site of yes-men, and they are not promoting a site of yes-men. What is being promoted is a kid just made one of, if not THE most important decision of his life, and we have people saying, more or less, they would rather he not have committed, or possibly insinuating he is not worthy of a scholarship offer because of his stars or other offers. Free speech is fine and dandy until you start inhibiting on the rights of other people, then 'you' become an asshole and are labeled as one. (I say 'you' in quotations because I do not mean YOU, Xenia, just my take). Free speech allows you to say what you want, it DOES NOT shield you from criticism. 

Its like if I go into the waiting room of a transplant surgery department and sell my pitch for the family members to buy a coffin. I was within my right since I have free speech, but you better believe I will be label as an asshole... (Crude example, I know hospitals probably do not allow coffin solicitors).

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

+15 HS
Squirrel Master's picture

You sell coffins dude? cool.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

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Hovenaut's picture

At the end of the day, we're all adults (if not, you usually don't last too long around here).

There's no reason why any of us cannot carry on a respectful discussion full of varying viewpoints and opinions in a constructive and respectful manner.

We're also human. I have a temper (the mancave has scars), and have let it slip by here a few times. But I (try to) learn from it, and move forward in a positive fashion.

Be proud, be original, say what you have to say. We all have that right.

But don't be negative...or worse yet, be negative in a cavalier-like fashion. In the end, that sort of attitude is just a colossal waste of time.

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Denny's picture

your a adult

Taquitos.

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ITWASME's picture

Hey man I'm 16...WHATCHU TRYIN TO SAY??? I kid I kid

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Squirrel Master's picture

I think you need to look up the definition of YES-men. I highly doubt this site is "full of nothing but YES-men" with a few "dissenters".

and asking a poster to just be respectful isn't exactly "squelching free speech".
 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

+4 HS
Jason Priestas's picture

If you don't want people to post dissenting opinion, then stop letting people post on that type of article at all. If you want a site full of nothing but YES-men then by all means squelch free speech for the dissenters. Might just as well become the JJHuddle.com of college football.

Ah, the free speech guy shows up. You know, freedom of speech only applies to you and the government. Not private websites, not your workplace, and if you're married, not with your wife.

I thought I was clear above when I said we want diverse opinions, even those that are dissenting. We're just asking for some decorum and recognition of a time and place to express said opinions.

SOF_Buckeye's picture

Exactly. If that is hard for some to understand, use Ramzy's birthday party analogy. If someone wants to be a Debbie-downer, make your own thread and invite all your 'glass half empty' friends over to commiserate with you.

"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes

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chicagobuckeye's picture

@SOF_BUCKEYE, that's not really the point. More of what Jason, and Ramzy are saying is that if you are just going to be an asshole don't post at all. Even if there is an article about a commitment, making another about how much you hate the commitment doesn't really negate the assholeness.

Oldschoolbuck's picture

You know my wife, Jason?

+2 HS
cplunk's picture

You just beat hell out of that strawman.

Nobody is suggesting 11W should be a page without dissent.

+3 HS
jedkat's picture

FREE SPEECH IS GOOD ONLY IF I HAVE IT RAWWWWWWWW

'You', certainly, have the right to free speech; just like I, certainly, have the right to call someone out for being an asshole and down-voting them into oblivion.

“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
~Zach Boren

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osu07asu10's picture

 Usually they'll double-down on being an asshole.

Ramzy, can you tell me what Friday's lotto numbers are? How about where I'll be in 5 years? You nailed this better than Babe Ruth calling his own shot!

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

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Wilkins78's picture

That's not what you were called out on.  Posting in that thread the way you did was the same as soccer haters posting in a soccer discussion thread.  It would be the same thing as someone going into a well-thought-out and respectfully worded thread about whether or not you think a recruit was the best option that you could have created and posting something insinuating your opinion is dumb. 

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Yes.  As a rule of thumb one should always comment something like: "Congrats to the young man and I can't wait to watch him rip it up on the Olentangy on Saturdays."  Something like that...

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cplunk's picture

Exactly, Wilkins78. In order to not be an asshole, it helps to bear in mind that sometimes your thoughts aren't that valuable, and don't actually need to be stated for others.

We all slip up and do assholic things sometimes, just try not to make it a habit.

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Northbrook's picture

I jumped on the downvote bandwagon for Skid after his negative comments on Schmidt but quickly changed to just not reading his comments. I will continue to ignore him until he brings me a shrubbery.

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Boxley's picture

Perhaps a small Yew............, no in this case more like a full blown, complete assshhhhh...

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

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BuckNutzGasMan's picture

Maybe this is me being a recruiting ass hole but I was at Arizona State for high school 7 on 7 last week.

Word on the street with the parents (parents in general NOT Kirk's parents) is that Kirk is 100% A&M. I'm really hoping for a buckeye push. Go get him Urbs!!

+3 HS
stittracer99's picture

World records that Ramzy just broke (probably);

- Most times the word asshole has been written in a single article posted to the interwebz

- Most variations of the word asshole (i.e assholery, assholiest, assholing, et al)

- Most incredible public shaming of an 11W site member ever (sorry Skid, but he's right)

+23 HS
Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Can you do a PART II next week titled, "What to do when you encounter an asshole?"

While I never agreed with anything from the 11W poster highlighted in the article, I can't help but think (know) other 11W posters did nothing but advance the situation to the further and higher levels of asshole.  As you mention, intentions weren't bad (at least at first) and things only got really ugly with repeated pestering.  The whole point of the site is for discussion, there is no discussion if we propagate the same perspective and opinion.  Granted there's a time and a place as is pointed out, but E + R = O.  

Read my entire screen name....

+2 HS
Squirrel Master's picture

he started out with negativity, he wasn't goaded into saying this,

Did what? Beat Minny and Iowa St. for a commitment?

and even with a simple reply he went off from there about the kid. This from Ramzy is the whole point of why myself and others have issue with him being negative,

Second, crapping on a kid who has just pledged his college years to Ohio State - in a column that features direct quotes from him (spoiler: Of course he read it)

I do wonder if Skid knew that the kid he was bashing reads this, like many other recruits. Again, I will equate his comments to walking into a wedding and farting on the cake, then wonder why everyone is upset with him. If he wanted to go off on a specific forum about the quality of the recruits we are getting, that is fine. But not on the one article that is supposed to celebrate an athlete making his choice to play for OSU. God forbid the kid wants to play for an elite team and assholes like Skid want to make it about his desires of who HE (or she, I don't really know) would prefer to accept the offer.

I just don't understand why someone would hate on a kid for wanting to be apart of the best damn team in the land, and a fan base that wants to celebrate it. That is an asshole in the finest sense of the word!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

+16 HS
Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

You're right.  He started it.  (What are we children? Pointing fingers to get ourselves out of trouble?)  I don't agree with anything he said.  He screwed up. He was an asshole. 

But you and others ARE STILL CARRYING ON ABOUT HIM!!!  Even on this thread you guys are still being assholes to him.  If you guys could drop it now or could have dropped it then, it would not have evolved into the scene that it was.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  

Read my entire screen name....

-5 HS
Squirrel Master's picture

hey, I made a joke above in sarcastic font. I really have no desire to rehash and continue. I'm just responding to your point that he was somehow forced to speak his mind. If you read the first couple of responses to him, they asked him to be respectful and not be negative. He escalated it all himself. Its not his opinion we all had issue with, its the time and place he shared it.

and you must be including Ramzy into that category because he was the original "you guys are still being assholes to him". He brought it up, take it up with him. Still doesn't change the fact that he wrote negatively about a recruit on the one story that is supposed to celebrate him.

but you are correct, I've wasted enough time on this and will move on.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

+11 HS
Boxley's picture

Sorry Squirrel, that I can only give you one upvote for this. Well said, and if anyone does not get it from your well worded comment, they may be in that certain category that is the main topic here today.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I agree and think that much should be crystal clear. My point however, is that by having a bunch of people ganging up after the fact is no better and makes it actually worse. So while skid was an asshole with respect to the recruit, numerous others were assholes to him, thus starting the asshole-nado where people just go round and round being assholes.

Again, E + R = O. You can't control skids comments but you can control how you respond. I think if the community responded better than the situation wouldn't have gotten as bad. 

Read my entire screen name....

-2 HS
osu07asu10's picture

Again, E + R = O. You can't control skids comments but you can control how you respond. I think if the community responded better than the situation wouldn't have gotten as bad. 

I really didn't jump into the fire on this one but pointing out Skid is being an asshole doesn't make people pointing him being an asshole out, an asshole themselves.

Your point has merit, but I'd rather be assholes to an asshole than a complete asshole to a kid who did nothing but pledge his blood, sweat, and tears to a program we all love dearly. 

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

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UrbanDreamz's picture

Ramzy goading me into a scroll through the twitter world of @JeffreyHaug1. 

Just like Mike McD I came back for more.

"Twelve months ago on Jan. 9, my mom's birthday, I made the decision to come back. I had one goal in mind and that was to win a national championship."  ~Mike Doss

+5 HS
swainpm's picture

Perfectly written Ramzy. If only some of tOSU fans on ESPiN had to read this before they could go on the comments board. So tired of the fanbase's reputation getting dragged through the toilet by as@h@les!

+1 HS
BTBuckeye's picture

Donny: "Who's an asshole, Walter?"

Walter: "Shut the f*ck up Donny. Tweets at recruits...no I'm serious, with a record"

Jesus (Asshole): "We got a date on Gray Box day baby!!!"

Walter: "16 year-olds Dude..."

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teddyballgame's picture

This concludes the Eleven Warriors public service announcement.  We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...

+5 HS
Groveport Heisman's picture

Nice masterpiece from Ramzy ,right on time for recruiting to heat up.

Mark my words..I don't need acceptance. I'm catching interceptions on you innocent pedestrians.

+2 HS
PG_BUCK's picture

Thank you Ramzy...a long overdue and awesome piece!!

Go BUCKS!

+3 HS
DCNick's picture

When I first got into twitter I starting following some recruits and it just seemed so creepy to me. They're just kids. I rarely do it now and I draw the line at favoriting a tweet that mentions Ohio State. Like someone announcing a commitment. No replying. No retweeting. No tweeting about them. Hopefully that doesn't cross the line.

+2 HS
IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Way to go Skid! Never draw the negative attention of Ramzy. He's to word-smithing you into the ground what Beatrix Kiddoe is to a Hattori Hanzo sword against the Crazy 88s.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

+3 HS
Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I honestly think you should get your 11W membership revoked for tweeting and/or facebooking recruits.

Read my entire screen name....

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bucki5's picture

Following our recruiting progress during the off season helps build some excitement for the future of the program, but as someone not directly involved in recruiting I tend to 1: Trust the coaching staff to recruit areas of need with the right players to fit the team culture and 2:Leave the reporting to the professionals (ie visit this site as often as possible). 

+2 HS
Seth4Bucks's picture

Directions unclear, tweeted recruits.

+5 HS
Ethan_Buck's picture

 

I dont always root for college athletics, but when i do (which is most of the time) I choose THE Ohio State Buckeyes.

+14 HS
WC Buckeye's picture

The real problem with assholes is that they relish being assholes. Genuinely. When people call them on their assholiness, they groove on it and then seek to really display it. You can't ever get the last word with an asshole (and shouldn't try to get it in, either - it makes you look like an asshole to the asshole and eventually to most everyone else, even when most acknowledge your righteousness), so the better approach is to ignore them. They hate that. Trolls = assholes = attention whores. Ignore.

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

+6 HS
NW Buckeye's picture

One of my favorite quotes is "Don't wrestle with a pig, the pig enjoys it and you both get dirty!" 

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cplunk's picture

George Bernard Shaw, I think. But I'm often wrong so don't take my answer as gospel.

AndyVance's picture

I usually get confused if this quote is Churchill or Twain, but it's actually been attributed from everyone in history, it seems, from George Bernard Shaw to Abe Lincoln. It's apparently just one of those proverbs that has been around since time immemorial. 

+2 HS
NW Buckeye's picture

That was Shaw.  The actual quote is:  "I learned a long time ago, never wrestle with a pig.  You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

I actually have a list of quotes in a frame in my office.  It starts out with that one.  Here are the rest:

"Never argue with an idiot, people watching may not be able to tell the difference."

"Observe everything, admire nothing"

"If you want a new idea, read an old book"

"It's easier to obtain forgiveness than permission."

"Don't ask the question if you can't live with the answer."

"Never resist the opportunity to keep your mouth shut."

"If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there."

"Never accept a philosophy which supports a lack of courage."

"Never look back unless you intend to go that way."

I put those up in my office over 25 years ago.  They seem more apropos than ever in today's world of social media!

+14 HS
Earle's picture

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

Widely attributed to Lincoln, but may predate even him.

Italics are for emphasis.

+6 HS
MN Buckeye's picture

Thanks for this, NW. I hope you don't mind that I behaved as an asshole and copied them to print and post on my (literal) wall.

+1 HS
NW Buckeye's picture

Don't mind at all, they were meant to be shared!
 

+2 HS
1967Buck's picture

Nice quote. Writing it down now.

woodcocklives@osu's picture

Criticizing offers here, in the midst of "trust urban" drum bangers is fair game, yes?  Particularly, when such offers contradict the biggest cheerleaders premise, yes?

 

 

-10 HS
Wilkins78's picture

It's not about what opinion you have, it's how and where you present it.  Will you get some flack for an unpopular opinion from some folks regardless? Probably.  But, if you're an asshole about it, nobody is likely to be on your side.

+9 HS
Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Ramzy did forget to mention one kind of asshole.

The one who only makes negative posts and applies derogatory labels to the mainstream.

Often that type likes to view themselves as the sole 'voice of reason' among a sea of 'kool aid drinkers'.

+9 HS
clogan1032's picture

But, but, I've seen him play and I can judge talent better then the highly paid coaching staff...

+9 HS
YTOWNBUCKI's picture

This is why I generally steer clear of commenting on recruiting articles. 

Don't get me wrong they're great to read, but the assholery that ensues is not my idea of fun.

I laughed way too hard at my desk though at this one.  Pure comedic (and journalistic) gold.

+1 HS
Unky Buck's picture

Pardon me, but this guy's an asshole too...

 

...

+8 HS
Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Yes he is. Convicted sex offender.

+4 HS
WGH893's picture

Great post

76 Chittenden

Stinson's picture

Jeff Haug: Asshole

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

+3 HS
BroJim's picture

Love all the photos- the caption on the Casey Anthony picture was simple and great.  Good bit Ramzy, wish we saw more of you.

I season my simple food with hunger

+4 HS
CCatanzaro's picture

Enlightening and sharp as a razor blade as always.  Did anyone else think this read like a Cracked article?

Dairy-fed intellect and pure, unhinged sass.

 

+2 HS
Ethan_Buck's picture

If you tweet recruits

 

I dont always root for college athletics, but when i do (which is most of the time) I choose THE Ohio State Buckeyes.

+6 HS
FitzBuck's picture

(The first step is admitting to the problem)  

Hi I'm Fitzbuck....and I'm an asshole.

i once posted to Big Mechy on 11w and awarded him helmet stickers.  Forgive me everyone.

 

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

+12 HS
chicagobuckeye's picture

Hi I'm Chicagobuckeye...and I'm an asshole.

I created a thread just for Meechy to answer questions opening him up for upvotes.

+1 HS
Ethan_Buck's picture

BTW Ramzy

 

I dont always root for college athletics, but when i do (which is most of the time) I choose THE Ohio State Buckeyes.

+14 HS
HilltopHustle's picture

I love transparency. Let's not be these clowns.

Ramzy Nasrallah's picture
Mr. Ferns

That's Mr. Ferns, Michael & Brendan's father.

MikeNugents BigToe's picture

 

"Remember that 55 yarder against Marshall?" -Not Mike Nugent

+24 HS
Boxley's picture

Certainly validates the content of your article from many angles.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

+7 HS
ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Ramzy, which palm reader did you visit before writing this.  ;p

There's a part of me that's feeling embarrassed for the 'holes you used in your illustrations after seeing this tweet, but not sure that these 'holes have that capability.  

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

+2 HS
BuckeyeSaab's picture

If all it takes to be an asshole is an NCAA violation then most of us are probably assholes.  

Back when I was a student I ran into a few "student athletes" at the old BW3 north store shortly after they had concluded a successful season.  These were not football or basketball guys, but I knew them.  I bought them a round of shots as grats on the good year.  It was years later when I would discover that in my buying and them consuming we were all guilty of NCAA violations.

I don't feel I should be in the same category as the guy harshing on teenagers on twitter.

I'm sorry for not being sorry.

+5 HS
clogan1032's picture

That doesn't make you an asshole, but your tagline does.

+2 HS
I_Run_The_Dave's picture

But you might be in the same category as someone who rigs a raffle!

BrewstersMillions's picture

Inserting yourself into something you aren't a big part of is the root cause of these problems. None of us (that I know of) draw a paycheck from The Ohio State University's football program so at the heart of it all, we are just fans. Now, the predictable response to those people who go a little too far with their fandom is to get defensive and say "I buy tickets and jerseys and blah blah blah" so I matter. A) You really don't, B) You are still just a fan.

Twitter has given people the ability to shrink the world and communicate with people they otherwise might not have been able to communicate with, save for of course being able to  yell obscenities to\at them in the Shoe or through your TV screen while the sound bounces off your sweet beeramid of Milwaukee's Best. Tommy Lee Jones' character in Men in Black made one of my all time favorite quotes about people."A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.". Twitter is a great way to share information in real time...think about the possibilities of research and medical procedures being live tweeted, it also gives people (dumb) the ability to be dumb towards people they wouldn't normally have a chance to be dumb towards.

College football makes us crazy. People live and die with each recruitment-which is especially troubling since none of us can accurately predict how these guys will turn out. Forget the fact that %90 of these kids won't make an impact for at least a year of sitting on the bench or running down kick off coverage. People are actually getting worked up about someone committing to OSU but may not actually play at OSU for 700 days or so. I feel like I get a bit high horsey about my stance on recruiting but its because of examples of people being assholes that I stand so firm on the subject. Its just creepy when people tweet at kids. I'll never get it. You can only hurt the program you love, you can not in any way shape or form help it. No one in the history of college football and twitter has ever committed because of something someone outside of the program said to them-and please spare me the idea that players commit to a school because of their fans loyalty and feverish support. That is page 2 of the creeper playbook. There are trained professionals who make millions of dollars to bring in and coach talented balls of clay and form them into a winning team. Stick to the beeramids and let the grown ups do the real work.

 

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

+21 HS
dubjayfootball90's picture

Well said.

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

+1 HS
I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Are you also saying that people who spend thousands of dollars on Amazon using the 11W click-through aren't entitled to dictate the format of this website?  Clearly you are mistaken!!

+4 HS
1967Buck's picture

Agreed BM. Well spoken.

jamesrbrown322's picture

If you tweet recruits, to recruit them to a school, or degrade their decision to attend a particular school (even if it's the one for which you root)...

Well written and right on point Ramzy!!!

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

+3 HS
osu407's picture

Well after the picture at the top and all the gifs that follow, I have to watch Lebowski tonight.  

Good bye productivity, hello white russians

+10 HS
buckeyedude's picture

Good move, Dude.

 

 

+2 HS
AndyVance's picture

Did someone say White Russian? Don't mind if I do, thanks.

+1 HS
NuttyBuckeye's picture

There are reasons I don't care to get into Twitter or any other online type crap like this.  I have MORE TO DO IN LIFE than stick my face into my phone and read all day.  I like to work out, get exercise, and just plain LIVE.

Yes, I have a Facebook page, but I only visit it three or four times a week, and I usually do not post.  I follow what my friends are doing, that's pretty much it.

People that follow recruits and players and respond need to GET A LIFE, really....  Like anything you say is going to pursuade any young man?   All you are doing is hurting the young man or pushing him away from Ohio State.  Nice... keep up the good work....

Marc Pocock (a.k.a NuttyBuckeye)

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

BME_Buckeye's picture

This has to be one of the best articles I've ever ready by Ramsy but my jaw dropped seeing a site member called out for all the right reasons. Don't tweet recruits! 

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

+3 HS
Mortc15's picture

This is a great read. I am of course guilty of some of these on occasion and it's maybe a wakeup call to know recruits read these message boards. However, I don't think most people, even high school teenagers going through a major recruiting process are naive enough to think that a few assholes in the minority define a fan base, especially when every fan base has them. 

Still a great read and a major reason why I love this site--input from the writers directly relatable to the rest of the readers! 

Keep up the good work! 

Buck-I4Life

+3 HS
NYCBuckeye's picture

I don't follow recruits on twitter, and obtain all of the recruiting information I ultimately ingest from this site - but I've not once seen a recruit mention anything to the effect of "I chose (school) due to the amount of love grown ass men were showing me on twitter! shoutout to my followers #(school)nation!"

Fans do have a significant role in recruiting, though. Strong showings at games, frequenting OSU affinity sites like 11w, having a wide geographic footprint,etc can be positive reinforcement for a recruit without fans acting like assholes.

+1 HS
Northbrook's picture

Ramzy declares open werfare on assholes.

 

+13 HS
Zimmy07's picture

This was a great article.  I figured that as soon as it said "how not to be an asshole" it would probably be a list of things I had posted on this very site.

I didn't figure Schmidt would read the article & I think I only posted something about me being impressed with his vertical.  At the time I did kind of understand Skid21's pessimism about 3 stars & such.  I was also kind of surprised by the celebrations for landing a kind of unknown recruit.

(It might be kind of interesting to see what kind of reaction the signing of a fictitious recruit got. - maybe it's because most of us are die hard Buckeye fans, I dunno.)

What I do know is that Warinner isn't out there in South Dakota recruiting just to get a free trip to see Mt. Rushmore.  If he screws up many recruits he's going to be sent packing - same as Urban & they obviously know more than I do about finding elite level offensive lineman or I wouldn't be writing this, I'd be employed doing it.

+3 HS
buckeyestu's picture

I do not do social media, no facebook, no twittering, myspace does that even exist anymore? I definitely am no expert when it comes to recruiting. Coach Urban and his staff are the experts and they get the big money to do a job.

Citrus's picture

I don't even follow recruits on Twitter. They are 17 or whatever, the chances that they'll have things to say that I want to read are extremely low. Nothing against them, but there just isn't much for me and a 17 year old to chat about. I don't care where he is hanging out or what girl he is hitting on. Posts that are relevant to our Buckeyes are typically shared via 11w. 

That being said, Mark Pantoni favorited one of my tweets the other day and I am embarrassingly happy about it. 

+2 HS
jamesrbrown322's picture

 Boon has some advice...

 

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

+7 HS
Boxley's picture

Boon and Ramzy, have some advice for...

There, fixed it for you.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

+1 HS
SilverBullet-98's picture

I think it's safe to say, that unless you are a coach or a smoking hot girl age 18-21 , these guys really don't wan't to hear your tweets,opinions of their choices or whats best for them.

If you can't help yourself from using social media to talk to a recruit, for God sake!!! Keep it positive, short and think before you hit send 5 times whether you should or not.

Then, if you do hit send, smack yourself , j/k on that. :)

"The Past Builds the Future"

+1 HS
cronimi's picture

If you can't help yourself from using social media to talk to a recruit, for God sake!!! Keep it positive, short and think before you hit send 5 times whether you should or not delete your social media account, go stand in the corner of whatever room you happen to be in and think about what you're doing with your life.

Fixed that for you, SB-98. ;-)

+1 HS
RedStorm45's picture

Looks like Jeff is off to be an asshole under a new Twitter handle.

+5 HS
hit_the_couch's picture

This lesson will be quick and to the point by design, because assholes generally don't have the attention span to read anything other than tweets or message board posts that they've written. 

I don't 'tweet,' but do post on these boards. As a proud owner of ADD, I often don't have the energy or span to read other's posts let alone proof and think about my. Just disregard my posts; they probably make little sense anyway.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

Johnny Ginter's picture

i follow two college athletes on twitter: michael bennett and james louis. because they are both incredible

but other than that, no athletes, no tweeting, no messaging, nuthin. i texted zach boren once to set up an interview. BUT THAT'S IT

ChazBuckeye's picture

This was pure gold...especially this,
"Closing note for assholes thinking what about Birm? He tweets at recruits. Birm is a paid journalist covering recruiting for a credentialed media organization that gets millions of hits a week during the offseason. He's working. You're just assholing."
Jeff's section, followed by skidmark's idiotic reaction to Schmidt's post commitment story were my silver and bronze asshole award winners. The dude with the Torrance Gibson kiddy porn tweet is on its own asshole planet to be quite honest.
I've tried to take less of an assholish stand point on certain things here and it's helped. Somethings you just can't change but I admire you guys for trying. I hope it helps! Good luck in my best Albanian voice....

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

vitaminB's picture

So if Birm tweets that a recruit has pledged tOSU, and includes the kids' twitter handle in the tweet, am I not allowed to reply to that tweet and let the kid know he made the right decision, and that we're happy to have him?

-11 HS
Northbrook's picture

You are allowed to do whatever you want.

Zimmy07's picture

Gauge Your Progress

Is this tweet an NCAA violation?

+6 HS
vitaminB's picture

Well, consider me self reported.  I will allow my team of assholes to take a vote on whether or not I should not watch the 1st half versus Navy.

-10 HS
Oakland Buckeye's picture

(cough cough - ASSHOLE...)

 

+9 HS
RedStorm45's picture

You have failed Ramzy's course on assholes then.

+8 HS
vitaminB's picture

So I'm the asshole for asking a question, what does that make the 11 MFers who downvoted it?  Oops that's another question.

-10 HS
Northbrook's picture

Ramzy, another gem. I absolutely love your work. 

+3 HS
Boxley's picture

Three hours after posting and over 140 comments, wonder why, article, author,subject  topic?

Wait till people get home from work and get to enjoy this one. This article has already been posted on "other" sports sites and is a big hit.

Damn Ramzy, another award winning article. It must be nice when someone elses actions provide you with so much material to use! Nothing resonates better than current topic material.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

+1 HS
bethesdabuck's picture

Given the fair amount of assholery that goes on in our fan base, I honestly think that a site like Eleven Warriors provides a lot of ballast with recruits and their parents. Well done. Never change in both providing respect and dignity for our players and recruits, and having the highest of expectations for Buckeyenation. 

+4 HS
TCOB_6's picture

Lmfao I love this article. Thank you Ramzy for writing this for us all. I believe that this piece was 1000% necessary and anyone that is taking offense, are the ones that needed to read it the most.

MichiganBuckeye222's picture

Jeff has left the building.

Representing the Buckeyes in the Mitten State since 1987.

www.septemberheisman.com

 

+6 HS
Earle's picture

SMH at all this fawning over Ramzy's writing.  If he was really such a great writer, he would have offers from ESPN and SI.  When is 11W going to get someone on staff with a national following?  Priestas just can't pull in the big-time talent.

Italics are for emphasis.

+19 HS
ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Especially with Rick Reilly retiring, you would think these guys would up their game and get hired!

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

+1 HS
buckguyfan1's picture

Wow, now that's a thread. 

+3 HS
buckeyedude's picture

My only question in all of this is not if Skid is an asshole. It's whether we were all being a holes when we were talking to Me echo on 11W? Serious question.

 

 

+1 HS
buckeyedude's picture

I meant "Meechy." I posted that from my phone. Effing auto-correct.

 

 

buckeyedude's picture

My only question in all of this is not if Skid is an asshole. It's whether we were all being a holes when we were talking to Me echo on 11W? Serious question.

 

 

gumtape's picture

am I the only one who kept thinking about Spaceballs while reading this?

just another psycho, irrational, delusional Ohio St fan

+6 HS
Unky Buck's picture

I was purely thinking about how big my Schwartz is to be honest.

...

+2 HS
RBuck's picture

What's Twitter?

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

+4 HS
Nicholas Jervey's picture

It's a thing birds do when they re-tweet another bird.

Ceci n'est pas une signature.

SilverBullet-98's picture

Whats Twitter.....???

You have to be kidding, right?  Twitter is that new fangled "pelvic thrusting" dance moves, you know. They call it "twirting". Geez!! Don't you prople keep up with the timess???

"The Past Builds the Future"

MacG91's picture

Jeff deleted his twitter lol

Mac..yeah

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LoufromOSU's picture

And the world is a better place for it.

"The key to a winning season is focusing on one opponent at a time. Winning one week at a time. Never look back and never look ahead." - Chuck Noll
 

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MN Buckeye's picture

The real reason I read Ramzy is to expand my vocabulary.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

More Ramzy awesomeness. I loved the one act play. It amazes me that wanna-bes can come on here and trash a h.s. kid because of recruiting rankings (that are frequently wrong). If a kid commits to play for the good guys, that, in and of itself, is worth celebrating. Love this post!!

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I don't think I've ever read an article that has used the word "asshole" or other variations of it that many times before.  Well done.

Class of 2010.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Hmmmmm. . . after Ramzy's rant, I'm supposed to try harder not to be an a-hole, but now I'm jealous that Skid21 became a featured antagonist in a Ramzy rant.

Before long, Skid21 will be getting three-digit offers to use his image to market products like Axe Body Spray, truck nuts, and those Calvin Peeing on ___ bumper stickers. Hey, I'm a-hole and I've never gottten such cool attention. Maybe I need to follow Ramzy's cookbook on how to be a more noticeable a-hole . . . 

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Oldschoolbuck's picture

Before long, Skid21 will be getting three-digit offers to use his image...

Awesome, Run! However, I've never really read anything you posted that could be termed "ass-holey" (or is it "assholistic"?).

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Nutty's picture

Before long, Skid21 will be getting three-digit offers to use his image...

Just have to laugh my ass off at this one. Yes, this post is so important that Skid will be overwhelmed with offers. You guys take this shit way too seriously. No one really gives a shit that a poster didn't like a commit but you guys have been making it a highlight all day.

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Oldschoolbuck's picture

Great article, Ramzy. Will Urban & Co. whiff on a few prospects? Probably. Would you or I do better at evaluating talent? Definitely NOT! I was amazed at the response by some on 11W when Stephen Collier committed last year. Perhaps the problem is we, as fans (avid fans if we're following recruiting that closely), are waaaaay too enamored with the number of ***** a player carries from recruiting services and sites. In the case of the coaching staff at Ohio State (at least in its current permutation), I believe we should give the benefit of the doubt to the guys whose jobs depend on getting quality players!

As someone posted when Mr. Schmidt committed, the first round of the NFL draft had 15 or so guys that were 3* coming out of high school. Also, I remember a receiver from a little-known school in Mississippi drafted by the 49ers a while back. He wasn't very fast or very big - but Jerry Rice turned out OK, I believe. Sometimes you just have to trust the experts to do their jobs.

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d5k's picture

You really shouldn't be amazed that assholes exist especially among the cohort of diligent followers of football recruiting.  I agree with your sentiments however.

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d5k's picture

Can I add an addendum with a link to the post-Orange Bowl article about the Philly Brown and Bradley Roby flaming?  Seems appropriate.

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2014/01/31793/surprise-shitty-fans-are-twe...

 

lljjgg's picture

Fantastic article!

These things are a large part of why I stopped following recruiting closely. Not because of seeing other people do it, but because I saw myself doing things like it (i.e. being incredibly disappointed when certain recruits committed elsewhere, not getting excited over certain commitments that OSU DID get). I realized at the end of the 2014 class that it was all really silly. I'm in my 20s, have a good job, hobbies, a significant other, etc. -- why obsess over who OSU does or doesn't get? It's a game, after all. Getting the recruits and developing the players are what Urban Meyer and Co. are paid to do, not my couch quarterback self. I have no impact on who they get or don't get, what games OSU wins or doesn't win (if my rooting for the team had anything whatsoever to do with victories OSU would be the 25-time repeat National Champions haha).

I have to say, I've spent maybe two hours total following the 2015 class thus far (mostly reading articles by Jeremy, Jordan and Co.) and I'm so much better for it. Really haven't missed the OSU recruiting wins and losses. I have a similar feeling about the 2014 OSU football team. I'll be excited to watch every game, probably even try to make it to the Shoe for one or two games, but outside of that I'm going to try to follow it as little as possible. I'll continue coming to 11W though, the staff and writers do too great a job not to.

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RedStorm45's picture

Charlie Weis and Brady Hoke have finished in the top 5 many times in the fictional "AP Top 25 Recruiting Poll."  We saw how that worked out.  Even getting worked up AFTER a class is put together seems a bit trivial.

 

I agree with you.  My time following recruiting has declined.  I will check in for a gray box now and then and probably listen in on the signing day presser, but that's about it. 

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RedStorm45's picture

Are recruits honestly persuaded (or dissuaded) by what a small % of fans write to them in 140 characters or less?

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NitroBuck's picture

However, the South Dakota high school junior's offer list isn't yet teeming with program names that are frequently batted around on the ESPN family of networks, which apparently siphons away confidence some assholes have in Urban Meyer since he has yet to prove he can competently run an FBS program.

The great ones don't need a sarcasm font.  Well done Ramzy!

PS:  Love the one act play.

Ferio.  Tego.

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bleedscarlet's picture

That'll teach Skid to speak his mind... kind of an asshole move to put him on blast in an article... maybe that should be part of the etiquette also. Contacting recruits is ridiculous and sad. If disagreeing with the coaches makes people assholes, what does that say about everyone and their brother sounding off about the end of the CCG?

I'm too drunk to taste this chicken

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Nutty's picture

I'm sure he won't be showing up around here anytime soon. You guys really showed him. Keep chest bumping yourselves.

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Boxley's picture

Actually he did show up here on this thread and I did upvote him for doing so, then, well, he started being himself again...............

Well, I had hoped for better, but then he does have you...........(missing the point entirely)

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Perhaps there should be a support group...

"Hello, my name is Bleedscarlet and I've completely missed the point."

It has zero to do with the ability to voice a personal opinion. It's about understanding when & how to do so.

 

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Unky Buck's picture

Perhaps there should be a support group...

We already have a support group for thread hijackers that meets once a week in the Premium Lounge. Currently only Oyster and I attend on a regular basis, but we already have the space rented out. They can pop in right after us.

...

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bleedscarlet's picture

Your condescending comment stands as a great example of what an asshole comment looks like.

SKID's little section up there is entitled "ONLY ASSHOLES BASH VERBAL COMMITMENTS" yet in the three comments of his provided, none of them show him bashing the kid. Stating that a kid isn't of the caliber OSU should be looking for is NOT bashing him. I don't know SKID from Adam and he may very well be an asshole but calling him one in an article is just a shit thing to do. THAT'S the point that YOU completely missed.

Only the twitter section of this is relevant.... we've all questioned the coaches (ie. who got the ball or pressing the corners), but somehow recruiting is off limits?

I'm too drunk to taste this chicken

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Thank you for again illustrating that you completely missed the point. Commitment threads are celebrations for kids who have been given a great opportunity. There are plenty of other threads for arm chair experts who are not part of the team (ie fans) to complain about what should or shouldn't be done.

When you're at someone's engagement party, don't be the asshole who says "You could do better".

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Groveport_Buckeye's picture

HAHA, great article Ramzy!!!! You nailed this one 100%. Unfortunately, those assholes still won't get it............

RedStorm45's picture

Can we highlight @TGibsonOSU (a Twitter account some OSU fan made to try to persaude Gibson to attend Ohio State)?  What an asshole.

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mshaf's picture

" This aggression will not stand man "

 Jeffrey Lebowski

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PoKeY21's picture

"Don't stay in Florida" I don't care who you are everyone should take this mans advice! IDC if it was given to a recruit, my first born, or Dan Marino those are some definite words of wisdom. 

When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my ass - Robert Knight

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Nutty's picture

Hold on. You can only comment on this thread if you want to say how much of an asshole Skid is. Fall in line.
 

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PoKeY21's picture

I think simply saying gray box articles are ONLY for celebration and congratulations would have sufficed. This article was a bit over the top calling out a user, but still funny nonetheless.

When my time on earth is gone, and my activities here are passed, I want they bury me upside down, and my critics can kiss my ass - Robert Knight

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1967Buck's picture

We are not a Hive-mind, We are a Buckeye-minded people and we love the Buckeyes!! So I don't need to fall in line. Peace.

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Go Bucks's picture

If only the assholes would read and abide by this article.  Otherwise recruits will someday (or already have been) be lost.

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Boxley's picture

That sure is a "Nutty" idea.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

BUCKfutter's picture

 

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

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MN Buckeye's picture

Dammit Futter, Borat always makes me laugh.

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BUCKfutter's picture

in my defense, the video is about etiquette and he does talk about assholes in it, making it double-relevant

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

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buckeyedude's picture

Borat just friggin cracks me up.

Borat: "I have a wife. She dead. It's Ok! I have new wife."

Borat: "My sister, she a prostitute."

Woman: "That's sad. Why is she a prostitute?"

Borat: "She like to make money! High five!"

 

 

 

bodast67's picture

   Hey everyone, here's a cute kitten !

 

 

 

     " I hope when I die, I die laughing"...                

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Unky Buck's picture

And here's a kitten with mittens (or is it mittons?)...

 

...

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burnest1420's picture

Pussification of America  and Hurtfeelioma

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blu.fan's picture

This article was so good, it was linked on the front page of mgoblog by Ace, who focuses on recruiting. This is required reading. In fact, I hope there is a permanent tab to this article at 11W. I'll be linking to it regularly if there is. I've already referred another mgoblogger to the article . . . someone who doesn't get why the coaches have given an offer to a mere "3 star," a guy who wasn't offered by Alabama or Ohio State, etc., etc.

As an aside, I generally enjoy 11W. As miserable as it is to have lost to OSU so many times, I hold out with hope that things will eventually improve. I'm one of those who is glad RR moved on, and think that Brady Hoke and the Wolverines will be doing well by 2015.

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Brutus's picture

You make it difficult for me to blindly dislike you for your poor choice in teams. This is what they call one of them there conundrums.

 

 

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ptim45's picture

Does  anyone besides me think that those kinda guys { the assholes} are Mich or Penn. St. fans or some other fans base pretending to be Buckeyes. Guys that just want to upset the crowd or think somehow they can influence recruitng.

blu.fan's picture

I'm sure that there are other school fans who stoop to impersonating asshole fans of their rivals. (But I don't think any of the examples given by Ramzy fall in that category. For instance, I don't think someone from OSU was pretending to be Twitter CEO Costolo.) Trolling another team by pretending to be the fan of another school, that's a whole different kind of assholery. Honestly, I think that anyone doing that needs to get a life, and has way too much time on their hands.

One other thing:  The Big Lebowski and the Dude . . . is there a more perfect movie to comment on assholery?

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Jrclark14's picture

I'm a Penn St fan but i like to read this website to see what you guys are talking about. This article was hilarious. I haven't laughed that hard in a while and the funny thing is it applies to every fan base. I can't stand the morons on the PSU boards who act like that. Very well done! We Are...

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Enzo's picture

Here's hoping Ramzy's article here and the 11W community can undo some of the assholery that's been perpetrated.

shortbus20's picture

Here is another example

Sunday, Jun 15, 2014 10:20 pm

 
 

Top Recruit Kai Locksley Says It’s “Creepy” That Auburn’s Fan Base Posted A Photo Of His Mom

Matt Lombardi

Ever wonder if top recruits check out the message boards to see who is talking about them? Well, we know that at least one top high school football player – four-star dual-threat quarterback Kai Locksley – is checking out what fans are saying online. Locksley posted a photo of the Auburn 247 board, which includes a thread dedicated to a photo taken of him and his mom. Locksley said that the post was “creepy”.

 Locksley is supposedly a lean towards Maryland, but he’s also considering Auburn, Virginia Tech, Texas, Oregon and Florida State. 

To be clear – it’s not a surprise that fans – especially those in the SEC – are interested in every facet of potential recruits’ lives. Any time it looks like a player is leaning a certain way, it’s going to be news. But as we’re seeing here, they can see what you’re writing about them too.

the link   http://collegespun.com/sec/auburn-sec/top-recruit-kai-locksley-says-its-...

 

 

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MichiganBuckeye222's picture

what surprises me most is that fans of the SEC actually have twitter...or computers....or indoor plumbing.

Representing the Buckeyes in the Mitten State since 1987.

www.septemberheisman.com

 

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Myc24's picture

Can this article stay on the front page forever? And be featured in the 11W about us section?

"Because I couldn't go for three!"  - Wayne Woodrow Hayes