Eleven Warriors Round Table: Rattlers and More

By Jeff Beck on September 20, 2013 at 11:30a
Week 4 Round Table

Welcome back. It's week four and the Buckeyes have the Florida A&M Rattlers on blast. How many yards will the Scarlet and Gray roll up this week? What's El Guapo's end of game stat line? Who needs to improve on both sides of the ball? And last, but certainly not least, what does the debacle against Akron say about this year's Team Up North? All that and more will be answered if your eyeballs continue down the page. The men doing the answering this week are Jason "Run This Town" Priestas, Kyle "I'm a better beat writer than you" Rowland and Chad "Gold Pants on 2 Chainz" Peltier. Join us, wont you?

The defense gave up 503 yards against Cal. Is that a symptom of an average defense? A pass-happy Golden Bears' offense, or a little bit of both?

Jason: I think it's a symptom of a young and banged-up defense, particularly along the DL and at LB, a team running dime for almost an entire game and a Cal offense that will move the ball on most teams it plays. I still believe this will be a very good – but not elite – defense by the time we get into mid-October. 

Kyle: A little of both, but I would add that I believe Ohio State's defense is above average. When you play teams that pass like crazy and get people in space, tackles are going to be missed, yards will be gained and points will be scored. No one - players and coached included - seemed overly concerned about the defensive performance. They didn't necessarily make excuses, just knew all of the above was inevitable with a team like Cal. The biggest issue on the defense is the linebackers, and that could be a season-long problem.

Chad: Definitely a little of both. The defense will get better, as it always seems to as the season goes on. The coaches will now be able to scheme more effectively and the younger players have actual game experience dealing with the short pass/screen game. It's easy to forget that Josh Perry, Curtis Grant, and Tyvis Powell all have limited experience.

It's clear Meyer (and the rest of Buckeye Nation) was impressed with Guiton's performance. If Braxton starts, does Guiton see the field during meaningful game time? If so, in what way?

Jason: It sounds as if Guiton will actually get the start with Meyer saying Miller would play but in a limited time. Of course, he could just be saying that, but it's Florida A&M, so why rush Braxton back. I see Guiton starting the game and playing most of it with a possibility Miller comes in for a series or two, but if I'm Meyer, I shelf Braxton until Wisconsin.

Kyle: It's going to be a tricky situation all the way around. Guiton is playing with confidence, so it's hard to take him off the field. Regardless of what happens, there will be questions galore about the final decision. Lost in it all is Braxton Miller. Will his confidence get shot if, all of a sudden, he's sharing snaps with someone who used to be the backup quarterback. It's going to be hard to get Guiton in a big game. 

Chad: I'm in the camp that doesn't expect to see them on the field at the same time. I think Guiton will have a series or three to run some excellent read option stuff and get some pass game work, but I don't really see the Buckeyes going to a two-QB set for more than one play. While both are excellent, I'm not sure I see the value added in having them on the field at the same time. Meyer isn't going to turn Braxton in to a dedicated runner, so it seems like they'd have to be on the field only for trick plays. I think Kenny running the option with Brax as the pitch man is unlikely, but so is just using Brax as a decoy or having both throw the ball. 

Oregon has a bye week. If the Buckeyes really pour it on (and I mean REALLY pour it on) against A&M, is there a chance to regain the second position in the Coaches' Poll? Why or why not?

Jason: No. The narrative is trending towards an Alabama-Oregon clash. And I don't really care. 

Kyle: Don't know, don't care. I think it's a valid question, but I have poll fatigue. It's way too early to be concerned about the polls. Obviously being first or second is better than anything else, but the season will take care of itself. 

Chad: It's possible, but I think the Coaches probably want to see some Big Ten action first. 

How many yards do the Buckeyes put up against the Rattlers this weekend? Which player on offense will rack up the most?

Jason: I have to think they get somewhere around 600 yards. They could really dump on Florida A&M, but I can't see them dropping 70 points or anything insane. I think Jordan Hall has another monster game for the Buckeyes, even with Hyde's return. What a luxury it must be to run behind that line. 

Kyle: It could be a record day. For a while, it looked like last week would be that way. The all-time total offense record is 718. It's 715 in the modern era. A big first half could make it so the Buckeyes can accomplish it with backups after the break. I think they're going to come very close to the 700-yard mark. Kenny Guiton will probably lead the way, but I also think this is a big-time breakout day for Dontre Wilson.

Chad: 500+ is a pretty conservative estimate I think. Outside of Braxton, I think either Hall or Devin Smith end up with the most yards. 

SCARYIs that you Kenny?

Which starting defensive player needs to improve the most before the start of the B1G slate? Why?

Jason: Curtis Grant. He's getting there and has looked better this year, but the B1G will bring more run-based offenses (Wisconsin comes to mind) and Shazier needs help at linebacker. Getting Washington (and Schutt) back will help immensely, too. 

Kyle: Joshua Perry. At SAM linebacker, he's the guy who comes out when Ohio State plays a package with extra defensive backs, but there will be power teams in the conference that call for a more traditional defensive alignment. Perry has to be the guy that steps up and plays well in those games. The Buckeyes are very thin at linebacker, which everyone knows, and Perry is a guy who is loaded with talent but hasn't totally turned it on yet.

Chad: I still want to see more out of Curtis Grant and whoever is lining up at Star. Tyvis Powell and Corey Brown always seem to be in the area of a receiver being tackled, but aren't usually the ones to bring him down. 

Which starting offensive player needs to improve the most before the start of the B1G slate? Why?

Jason: That's a tough question. I think the easy answer is Taylor Decker, even though he's rebounded nicely from a rough start against Buffalo. 

Kyle: Taylor Decker. He's already improved immensely since a disastrous debut against Kalil Mack and Buffalo. In my opinion, there aren't many holes on the offensive side of the ball. Decker is kind of the default choice in this case.

Chad: They've been running through paper defenses, so it's hard to say exactly. The offensive line has played at an extremely high level, but I want to see Decker go up against a big-time defensive end. The only worthy defender they've faced was probably Khalil Mack. 

It's Carlos Hyde's first game back. What's his end-of-game stat line?

Jason: Six carries for 29 yards

Kyle: Seven carries, 57 yards, touchdown.

Chad: Nine carries for 85 yards and one touchdown.

What's your final score prediction?

Jason: Ohio State 59, FAMU 10 

Kyle: 63-0

Chad: 52-7

BONUS TTUN QUESTION: UM looked terrible against Akron. What's their record at the end of the year?

Jason: Michigan will be 10-2 going into bowl season. 

Kyle: Akron is really bad. There's no disputing that. Just take a glance at their personnel, record the past few years and statistics. Still, I don't think Michigan is that bad. Actually, I would classify them as good. The Big Ten is so bad, too, that I think they'll be fine. When Ohio State comes to Ann Arbor, the Wolverines will have, at most, only two losses.

Chad: 9-3 regular season, with losses to Northwestern, OSU, and either Penn State or MSU.  

You're told one Buckeye player moonlights as the Northampton clown  but not told EXACTLY which player. Who is your guess?

Jason: Guiton. The answer is always Guiton. 

Kyle: Terrelle Pryor

Chad: Michael Bennett, because he's a funny dude. 


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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

IT is real? Yep, it's time to buy a machine gun.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

buckeyeEddie27's picture

beep beep richie

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

Maestro's picture

In the game time that I have evaluated the offense it's really hard to pick on anyone.  I think Devin Smith is by far the worst blocker of the receivers and Spencer is the best.  I think Linsley makes the most errors on the line with bad snaps and missed blocks, but he does a pretty outstanding job overall.  I really have to nitpick to find negatives.  Actually if I was going to point out the biggest problem with the offense going forward it would be Miller's ability to make correct reads in the option game.  If he can do that the offense is nearly unstoppable.

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lsjSnail's picture

I agree, especially about Devin being the worst blocker lol. Miller when he makes the correct read and keeps it, needs to do what Kenny did and go north and south. Usually Miller dances on his keeps and it is not very effective.

TheBadOwl's picture

He kept it on this option.

And on this one.

And on this one.

Braxton is the best running qb in the nation. Last year was his first year in this system, of course he's not going to make the best reads all the time. We've only seen him really in one game this year, and they barely ran the option.
Listen, I love Kenny Guiton as much as the next guy, but Braxton is absolutely our best quarterback, by a long shot. I don't see how you can possibly say that he wasn't very effective. Did you even watch him last year?

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

luckynewman13's picture

Any chance we see a 3rd QB get some snaps this week? Who would that be? Cardale Jones?

osu07asu10's picture

I highly doubt it, any snaps that don't go to Miller will go to Guiton.
Coaches have been on record saying Cardale has a ways to go, his good is really good but his bad is really bad.
More than that however, I think it is the respect that Meyer and staff have for Guiton and this being his last chance at tOSU to run the show, he deserves every single snap he can get, meaningful or not.
Cardale's time will come if he continues to buy into the program like he has been.

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Knarcisi's picture

Would be Cardale if any. I believe he's still 3rd and has no redshirt available this year. 

yrro's picture

I'd be surprised. If Miller were still out, I could see him giving Guiton some rest in the fourth quarter, but given our current situation I doubt it.
Jones is going to have plenty of opportunity next year to compete for a backup spot, and the year after to compete for the starting job (assuming at this point that Miller doesn't go pro, which seems unlikely 4 games in).

RunEddieRun1983's picture

How can you say 3 weeks in with 6 undefeated teams that the big ten is bad?

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

jbcuky's picture

Because we saw the games last weekend.

jaxbuckeye's picture

I don't know why people keep asking about Guiton vs Miller.  This is Miller's team.  Period.  Urban loves him.  He loves having a capable backup.  But when Miller is healthy, he is Heisman-like.  Guiton performed well, but let's remember who it was against.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Thank you.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

OSUBias's picture

Let's also not forget this is a coach who is not above splitting time between 2 QB's that bring different skills to the table. And let's not pretend Braxton is going to be 100% healthy any time soon. If he is really struggling to move laterally, that takes away the thing he is best at. Even when he is healthy, he has a penchant for predetermining his reads. That's only going to get worse if he feels like he can't make a guy miss one on one.
If Miller plays sparingly this week and looks like he's scared to run again (post Purdue flashback from last year) it does (or should) become a legitimate question going into the Whisky game. That's a team that Braxton probably had his worst game of the season against last year (though Herman took some blame on himself for the playcalling), he's going to be rusty, and if he's at 75%...might be better off with Kenny G at the helm.
Let's just hope he plays and looks/feels 100% this weekend and we can shelve this argument, hopefully for good.
I'm more concerned with the general gap in competition from A&M to UW for the entire team. It's by far the best team they will have faced yet, they play a style we haven't seen since last year (power running, play action passing), and we're incredibly dinged up. Lots to be nervous about.

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jaxbuckeye's picture

I DID say "when Miller is healthy".

ScarletNGrey01's picture

Receiving the national offensive player of the week award playing against a Pac12 team on the road was impressive IMHO ... but JaxB you appear to be a member of what Rodney Dangerfield used to call "tough crowd, tough crowd".  Love XBrax, but my concern is he will be rusty coming into the game against the badgers and he is so injury prone.  Guiton distributes the ball so well, when Brax is under center it seems to be more about him.  Braxton is a great kid, great runner, and his throwing mechanics look much improved, certainly rooting for him to make a full recovery, but this injury could be nagging.  I know Meyer tried to correct himself, but I really do think "dilemma" is the correct word for what he is facing.  I would have no problem with Kenny G. leading the team for a few more games with weapons like Hyde, Hall, Wilson, D. Smith, Fields and Philly Brown at his disposal, and KG has proved he is a very good opportunistic runner in his own right.  It's about what's best for the team.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

on the road

If you can call it that.

Injury prone would be Oden and Yao. Braxton doesn't fall into that category. There is no dilemma. Braxton is Ohio State's best player. 2 weeks hasn't changed that.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

jaxbuckeye's picture

Come one man.  How many people go out of their way to tout their success against the Cal DEFENSE?

BuckeyeFreak4844's picture

I am with you on this one, hands down braxton is the better QB so when he is healthy its going to be his team and his show.  I love both guys but Braxton gives us the best football team IMO.  But i can see how Smooth Kenny G has caught the eye of so many he is playing really good football and its nice to have the to two out of three maybe the top two qbs in the big ten.

Michigan Sucks!

buckeyepastor's picture

Biggest concern with the defense has to be LB.   Wisconsin will force OSU to play some straight 4-3.  Venric Mark will also test our LBs.   The biggest regret I have about our non-conf schedule is not playing any run-heavy team that forces us to see how we look in a more traditional defensive set.   Wisconsin will test that soon enough, just wish we'd gotten to see it sooner.   
I think we could score 100 on FAMU, and still not get love in the polls on account of the quality of the opponent.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

buckeyefanatic's picture

>> It's Carlos Hyde's first game back. What's his end-of-game stat line?
I'm going to go with 11 carries for 109 and 1 long TD.  I think that Hyde and Hall see plenty of snaps together.
Nothing OSU can do this weekend moves them up in the rankings.

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FROMTHE18's picture

A big time blow out would be nice to see but the score isnt really what Im looking for out of this game. I want to see the offensive line dominate in the run game and pass protection, the defensive backs to improve in their coverage and playmaking (ints, big legal hits, etc), a handful of sacks, a sharp passing game from Guiton and Braxton, and above all just 100% focus throughout the game, removing complacency which seems to hit the OSU defense after the first few offensive drives. Really just want to see a crisp performance across the board as this game should be a tune up before a big match up next week.

BuddhaBuck's picture

Kyle - ...The biggest issue on the defense is the linebackers, and that could be a season-long problem...

That would make this issue a two seasons-long problem... Or three seasons-long problem, really.

Don't text while driving.

WyoBuckeye's picture

Like many others I am over having angst with respect to the polls.  If Ohio State does make it to 13-0 and they still miss the BCS CG (which is very unlikely), I'll worry about it then.

ejoceans's picture

if Braxton is healthy he plays half the game. If he is not %100 i don't even put him in at all.  I didn't see the article where it says he is struggling with lateral movements so I cant speak on that issue.  I can tell you one thing, if TOSU isn't putting up big #s against this team with or without Braxton then we have some bigger issues. I for one hope that Braxton is ok now and can play and plays very well.  The more Kenny plays and plays well then the more Braxton will try to hard to make every play great and fail from trying to hard cause he thinks everyone wants Kenny!!! Think about it.  I love Kenny but as a back up to Braxton.

Lets do this Brutus

DbuckiMcG's picture

Our biggest problem on D is the fact that we have to many spectators. There are way to many plays where people are caught watching. In addition misdirection plays kill Noah Spence. Now that he is on the field all the time, you can tell he always wants to make an impact and while this may lead to some great plays he has given up some pretty big gashes because he runs right by a RB.

Seattle Linga's picture

It's going to be interesting to watch how many yards/plays/points Cal puts on the board against the likes of Stanford/Oregon/Washington in the Pac 12. I bet it's more then they think.