Gene Smith Wants Series with Notre Dame

By DJ Byrnes on September 6, 2013 at 8:53p
EDDIE GEORGE DIPPIN FROM THE COPS, MANE. has a story about Ohio State having a tough time selling tickets to its out-of-conference home games this year. It makes sense when one looks at the out-of-conference home slate: Buffalo, San Diego State and Florida A&M are not world beaters. (Gene Smith said originally the plan was to schedule Grambling, but when that deal couldn't get done he turned to Florida A&M. Why? Because of their band, which won't be making the trip to Columbus due to punishment stemming from the hazing death of Robert Champion, a Florida A&M drum major.)

Buried in this article about ticket pricing, out-of-conference scheduling and home attendance is this very interesting nugget (emphasis mine): 

Next year Ohio Stadium will add an additional 2,522 seats in the south stands, so when Ohio Stadium is really filled, players will have to talk about playing in front of 108,000 or 109,000. A nine-game Big Ten schedule will begin in 2016, so there will be one fewer nonconference game to play. And with a four-team playoff starting in 2014, those nonconference games will feature better opponents.

The plan is for one major opponent considered a top 10 program (Smith said he asks Notre Dame every year “and they say no,”) another program among the best 30 or 40 in the country and one opponent like a MAC team.

Could Gene Smith be leaking this to the press as a way of throwing down the gauntlet to Notre Dame and trying to shame them into scheduling a series the Midwest obviously craves? I like the sound of that. Hard to blame the Irish for wanting no part of the Buckeyes, however, considering their last win over Ohio State was a 7-2 instant classic in South Bend during Franklin Delano Roosevelt's first term as President (1936).


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Deadly Nuts's picture

They backed out of the TTUN series and they are denying us.


Orlando Pancakes's picture

I hate the Domers as much as the next guy, but to say that they are scared is more than a reach. Their easiest game this year is Temple followed by either Air Force or Navy. I would say those three are much more challenging than Buffalo, San Diego St., and Florida A&M. This doesn't include the fact that they play USC and Stanford every year. The year that Michigan goes off the schedule they play Texas. Are you kidding me?! Most years they have a pretty darn tough schedule so I don't think being scared is a legitimate reason for not playing us. Is it annoying that they won't play us? Absolutely. They want to spread their games out across the country to maximize their exposure to as many people as possible. We all get it. Don't get me wrong, I wish they would and still hope that they play us; but to say that they are scared of playing us is wrong.

Deadly Nuts's picture

SOS has nothing to do with it. Notre Dame is better than those teams and should beat them. But for some odd reason they turn down tOSU and back out of TTUN. Why would it hurt them to travel to Columbus? It would be a nationally televised game.


Orlando Pancakes's picture

SOS is actually the main point of the argument if we are talking about calling Notre Dame scared. If someone usually has a strong SOS, then that means that they are not scared to play tough teams, which Ohio State obviously is. My point was that we can say a lot of things about the Domers, but not that they are scared. We are both frustrated with the Irish, but that frustration should not be directed at them being scared. I actually think playing us would help them recruit in Ohio so I don't understand it either.

Deadly Nuts's picture

They dropped ttun to play a fourth military school.


Orlando Pancakes's picture

D.N., I'm trying to keep this discussion related to the facts that we know. The year that they drop ttun they play (not sure on the exact order but these are the teams)
Georgia Tech
First let me say that that is one hell of a schedule! I only see 1 military school and 2 patsies (UMass and Temple; btw Navy is no pushover). So they dropped Michigan to play TEXAS. That is no joke sir. Bottom line, you can't argue with their schedule and it's legit. I just don't know why you keep harping on their schedule when it's so respectable/tough. I think you are just frustrated that they won't play us and for that I completely, 100% agree with you.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Unless Texas gets a new coach, i'd say it is a joke.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

wolfman's picture

I am not a fan of Notre Dame at all and dislike their special treatment by the BCS, but I have to admit they usually do have a pretty tough schedule.  Michigan and USC have been down lately, but overall it is a pretty tough schedule.

703Buckeye's picture

O P: If Smith has been asking ND every year, it means ND has turned down OSU during years their schedule was light, not just this year.

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

HailChiefWahoo's picture

Wait, when has Notre Dame's schedule been light?

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Orlando Pancakes's picture

703, I hear you but their schedule is usually never light. And on the rare occasion that it is, that is usually due to strong teams being down for some reason (kind of like how Cal was strong when we scheduled them), not them actually scheduling weak teams. Then when the schedule is weak, it is way too late to beef it up by playing us because as we all know these schedules are made years in advance.

Nick's picture

I guess they think playing North Carolina and Virginia will give them more coverage than playing Ohio State.

Jonnferrell's picture

First it was the Fighting Irish--then the Figthing Irish--now it's just the Frightened Irish.

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Hovenaut's picture


Don't really care 'bout the Fig Thing Irish myself....

Besides, how many times have they spurned Delany, let alone Mean Gene?

unholy bucknut's picture

They don't have the stones to play us.

DJ Byrnes's picture

IDK why this is here, but cats are majestic sooooooo:

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ScarletGray43157's picture

A pussy cat.  I get it.  Very subtle.  

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

buckeyedude's picture

It's not so subtle, but I think this cat better represents Notre Dame's feelings towards scheduling the Buckeyes, a little better.

"What the hell, we just get rid of Michigan, now you want us to play OSU? Why we join the ACC?"

And BTW, that picture of Eddie with seven, yes seven(!) ND players chasing him has to be one the best pictures of a Buckeye football player in action, ever.



jkrk's picture

Heaven forbid Kelly should have to back up all that running that his mouth has done.

northcampus's picture

Notre Dame doesn't consider itself a Midwest school.  They consider themselves a global brand.  OSU has tried to schedule the Irish every single year (since at least Tressel took over) and ND will not move forward with a home and home agreement.  The Irish feel that playing 'neutral' site games in Dublin or Chicago is more beneficial to their agenda and they want the recruiting presence in California, which is why Stanford and Southern Cal are on the schedule.  Even with those excuses, getting beat up by Ohio State (which would happen) would do more harm than good to ND's perception that they're still a national powerhouse.
Personally, I think every Big Ten school should not schedule Notre Dame in football nor any other sport (men's or women's included).
As for the tickets, OSU has tried to push price increases on fans nearly every year and it's finally getting to a point where the demand does not justify the price increases.  Wages in Ohio (and in most of the country) have been stagnant for 10 years and costs keep rising, which is causing fans to consider other alternatives (TV, radio) when the Buckeyes take the field.  I hate seeing empty seats in the stadium when I know so many fans who would love to be there (regardless of the opponent), but just don't have the disposable income to purchase tickets to get into the Horseshoe.

Nick's picture

It's mostly the secondary ticket market that is high if more people could buy tickets at face value all games would be sold out 

ScarletGray43157's picture

Even face value is a stretch for some of us in this economy.  I know it may seem difficult to believe, but true nonetheless.  

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

CALPOPPY's picture

Yep, $79 for most games and $110 for the Wisky game. Pretty high. It'd be difficult for me to justify an entire season.

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NW Buckeye's picture

Right now you can buy tickets to FAMU starting at $22.50 on Stubhub. $65 for Iowa, $48 for PSU, and $40 for Indiana.  Those prices are well below face value.  Wisky tickets are starting at $142.   The average full season ticket holder has put up with the prices for the entire season because they could always sell their non prime tickets for close to face value.  That does not seem to be the case anymore.  As pointed out by several posters, the disposable income is just not there like it used to be.  And, every game is on TV.  Makes for interesting problems in scheduling. 

brylee's picture

Personally, I think every Big Ten school should not schedule Notre Dame in football nor any other sport (men's or women's included).

This ^^^

As for the tickets, OSU has tried to push price increases on fans nearly every year and it's finally getting to a point where the demand does not justify the price increases.

And This ^^^

741's picture

I would love to see OSU play ND in Dublin. That would be AWESOME. Get 'er done, Gene!

wojodta's picture

I really wish they'd do a home and home with Bama or LSU. I miss those games like '05 Texas & '09 USC.

OSUbonobo23's picture

Well we do.
We just had a home and home with The U, we went 1-1, remember?
We play Virginia Tech next year, should be a home and home but they aren't showing up on the 2015 schedule.
We had the Cal series now (not our fault they suck).

Then we have a home and home with Oklahoma. 

I'm excited to play Va Tech. Every year "Beamer" ball will apparently lead to an ACC title and a National Title run, according to my "pundits". I can't wait to demolish them and their annually overrated ass.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

OSU plays on Labor Day at VT in 2015.  Monday Night Buckeye football!

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el duderino's picture

Didn't you just love that "Beamer Ball" versus Alabama, when they let the Tide get two special teams touchdowns? Flawless execution, Special Teams "Specialist" Beamer.

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RedStorm45's picture

Series upcoming: Virginia tech, North Carolina, Texas, Oregon.

703Buckeye's picture

TCU and Oklahoma as well.

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

Rjpfish2's picture

9/17/16 seems so far away. VT should provide a good H&H over the next 2 years but I'm ready to head to Norman!

Buckeytrips's picture

My wife and I have talked about taking our kids to a game sometime but with 6 of us it would cost and arm and a leg. That is why we settle for the Spring Game and its close to the triplets birthday.

Persian Eagle's picture

Ohio State does need to establish another rivalry game. Norte Dame, Pitt, Cincinnati, someone. We have "that team up north" and kinda-sorta Illinois. Most teams have two or three rivalry games. We have one.

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Pitt or Cincy? Why aim small?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

CheapSeats's picture

At this point, Wisconsin or Penn State are much bigger rivals than those schools. I'd rather have a secondary rivalry with those two schools than Cincy or Pitt 

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

They don't want any part of the Buckeyes.  They are stopping playing TTUN, MSU and Purdue because too many times they have lost 2 out of 3 of those game.  They think they will get more exposure and easier wins playing the ACC. Maybe it's true, but they will be exposed like when they played Bama last year.  The only way to strengthen your team is through playing hard close games and galvanize it.  I like that we are playing VT, Oklahoma and Texas in the next few years.  We need to focus on playing more larger schools, and also an Ohio MAC school each year. 
Go Bucks!!

AndyVance's picture

This is genius on Smith's part - by getting this out there in the press, he puts Notre Dame in the position of either having to pick up said gauntlet, or be perceived as running scared from the two biggest teams in the Big Ten, not to mention two of the most successful programs in college football history.
What is it they've been telling us these past few years? To be the best, you've got to be the best? C'mon, Domers, that means you've got to get in the ring here.

Hoody Wayes's picture

I think Notre Dame (Swarbrick) is manipulating its own fanbase. 

Knarcisi's picture

When we embarrass them 3 times in recent history, and we compete for many of the same recruits, I get it. 

buckeyeguy0615's picture


Lol... sorry, I had a Flashback ... I apologize for being 'out of line'. I'm pretty attentive. I meant no maliciousness at all dude.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Can't say i'm all that surprised. When you don't want to play the 2nd tier, why would you play the best?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

KBonay's picture

Because they know even their sisters would still root for Ohio State...

Knarcisi's picture

What a dream day for Hawk ... Sacks Brady twice and is bangin his sister. 

sharks's picture

The Irish have a pretty brutal schedule, year in and out.  If they did home and homes with us, they'd just lose a home game every other year.  I'm not mad at them, just the SEC squads who are afraid to come to Columbus.

A man got to have a code...

OSUStu's picture

Gene, FYI Notre Dame is not a top 10 program. If they were, they wouldn't be scared to play us.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

buckeyedude's picture

I think ND would be OK with scheduling in state rival Indiana.



pjtobin's picture

I've never cared for nd. Nothing special on the fb field that I can remember. I would rather play them in a bowl game. So we can stomp em again. 

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hetuck's picture

Why keep the Purdue series, but cancel scUM? The way they did it was pretty underhanded. The contract had a three year cancellation clause. They handed the scUM AD notice on the sideline before last year's game, thereby guaranteeing they would get two home games of the three. 

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TennesseeBuckeye's picture

Whatever Gee said. Seriously, why not Alabama, Texas, Florida, USC, Georgia, Clemson, FSU, Oregon, Auburn, Missouri, Washington, UCLA. Or you can go the never played them route Kansas, Ole Miss, Wake Forest, Mississippi St. Or maybe Arkansas, which we now technically haven't played. Notre Dame doesn't want to play us or be in the Big 10 (B1G). Maybe he approached ND because of the Gee thing, to try and smooth things over. And we've never played Hawaii.    

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faux_maestro's picture

Notre Dame doesn't want to play us or be in the Big 10 (B1G)

I wonder how much of them not wanting to be in the B1G goes back to good old Mr. Yost?

After Notre Dame defeated Michigan in 1909, the two teams were scheduled to rematch on November 5, 1910. Before the 1910 contest, Yost protested Notre Dame's intended use of two players (Philbrook and Dimmick) that he believed were ineligible and cancelled the 1910 meeting when Notre Dame did not bench the two players in question. [21] Yost later refused to schedule Notre Dame for any later seasons, deepening the feud between Yost and Notre Dame coach Knute Rockne. After cancelling the series, Yost was instrumental in corralling together the member schools of the Western Conference (the current day Big Ten Conference), refusing entry to Notre Dame and suggesting that conference members should not schedule the Fighting Irish. As a result of the boycott by Midwest opponents, Notre Dame scheduled games against schools on the east coast and west coast, such as USC and Army, and did not play Michigan again until 1942.

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Mirror Lake Jump's picture

Insert Gordon Gee comment about the catholics

bull1214's picture

they are severing ties with the big 10 one school at a time. its not coincidence, its a gameplan. they'd rather beat the acc than lose to the big 10. sounds like a good plan for them. we can schedule better teams than nd and be just fine. cant wait til there are no patsies on the schedule. nothing below the mac; which is a pretty good conference nowadays.

wolfman's picture

Actually, wasn't it Woody that didn't want to schedule Notre Dame back in the day?  I think he said something about not wanting to divide the Catholics.