Carlos Hyde Suspended at Least Three Games

By Kyle Rowland on July 30, 2013 at 9:28p
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Ohio State's Carlos Hyde

The week-long Carlos Hyde saga has finally come to an end — sort of. Oho State head coach Urban Meyer announced Tuesday night that Hyde, the Buckeyes’ starting running back, will be suspended at least three games. 

“Carlos Hyde will be suspended for at least the first three games of the 2013 season for conduct not representative of this football program or this university," Meyer said in a statement. "He will be required to fulfill additional obligations before he is allowed to play in a game.”

Hyde was originally suspended indefinitely for his role in an alleged assault of a 19-year-old woman at Sugar Bar 2 in downtown Columbus during the early morning hours of July 20. On Tuesday afternoon, the Columbus Police Department announced that Hyde would not face charges stemming from the altercation. The victim in the case opted not to press charges.

The Columbus Police Department considers the case closed.

In a video obtained by the media, it appears that both the victim and Hyde lunge at one another with intent to strike the other. But the quality of the video doesn’t allow one to make a definite claim at what took place.

[RELATED: Surveillance Video from IncidentKey Frames from Video of Hyde Incident]

Since the story broke nearly 10 days ago, it’s been full of rumors and various unconfirmed reports. Columbus Police called used the word “reckless” to describe the sourced stories.

Now it’s all come to a conclusion.

Hyde marked the occassion by tweeting for the first time since the incident became public knowledge:

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jvd253's picture

Thank God this is over.

"A guy from Ohio can make it in life if he works hard enough." - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

BuckeyePoetLaureate's picture

It's not necessarily over for Hyde.  As she pointed out, she has two years to press charges on him for the way he assaulted her and could sue him civilly.

Proud alumnus of the Ohio State Creative Writing MFA Program.  Creator of the writing craft site Great Writers Steal.

jvd253's picture

You're quite right.   However, after watching the video, I would emphasize "allegedly" assaulted.  I'm also not sure what a civil suit would accomplish.  His assets are likely insufficient to cover her legal expenses (as I hope we lack an SEC-style payroll), and I'm sure everyone involved would welcome/recommend the two avoid each other's proximity, even without an equitable remedy (i.e., a restraining order).

"A guy from Ohio can make it in life if he works hard enough." - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

MuraliPatel's picture

Actually, physical contact is not required to have assaulted someone - merely causing the apprehension of contact is sufficient. That being said - if she swung first, it becomes a case of self defense, and at that point, it becomes he said/she said.

HighBallAce's picture

You are correct about that! I believe that if say you so much as brandish a firearm or a knife or any sort of deadly weapon at someone then that is considered assault. 

cronimi's picture

True, physical contact is not required for civil assault. But she would then have to prove damages, which at this point I don't see.

BuckeyePoetLaureate's picture

My apologies!  You are correct.  My post was intended to lament that it's not yet over for Hyde; he gets to spend the next few years worrying about being charged and/or being sued.

Proud alumnus of the Ohio State Creative Writing MFA Program.  Creator of the writing craft site Great Writers Steal.

brglr14's picture

right after he gets drafted

I dont know karate but i do know crazy and i'm not afraid to use it.
                           

jvd253's picture

Good point.   Not sure what the statute of limitations is in Ohio, but probably longer than two years.  Upvote for you, sir. 

"A guy from Ohio can make it in life if he works hard enough." - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

osu07asu10's picture

No, for assault without bodily harm, the statute of limitations for a civil suit in Ohio is 1 year.
Additionally for any civil suit, she is going to have to prove two things to justify whatever amount she asks for:
1.) Damages she has incurred as a result of the incident. This would include medical expenses, lost wages due to missed work or lost job, inability to go out in public due to fear of harassment, etc.  This has to be supported by medical bills, medical records, proof of job loss due to poor performance, unemployment filings, medical records showing PTSD or some other illness as a result of the incident.  
2.) Punitive damages. Meaning the victim can ask the judge to punish Hyde for his role in the incident and deter him from committing a similar crime.  As we've all seen the video, I don't see a judge punishing Hyde to the tune of much more than a few grand if that.

The bottom line, the whole story line of her trying to get into Hyde's (future and hypothetical) pockets is a great story to tell...

However, it simply isn't true. There is no basis for a civil suit here, she can try and try and try, and if her claim even qualifies for the Civil Division ($15k and above) I will tape a video of me shitting myself and post it on 11w. Any judge or magistrate that heard her case would dismiss it.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

jvd253's picture

This was an informative post.  Upvote, sir. 

"A guy from Ohio can make it in life if he works hard enough." - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

741's picture

Part of me wants this poster to be wrong and have to pay off on the wager. #poop

osu07asu10's picture

haha I didn't realize the unintended consequence of that comment...

I'm going to have a smattering of 11w hoping I crap myself sometime in the future

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

Unfortunately for Hyde that is something to think about. 

bostonbuckeye's picture

Wouldn't he be able to then do the same thing to her? Am I wrong when I say that he has the same rights as her in this case since she hit him as well? Am I missing something?

OhioKris's picture

She won't press charges because its a two way street. She assaulted Hyde first. So if she tried to pursue anything, Hyde can file charges right back at her. Also, she lied to the police in her statement, (she said nothing about smacking him first.) and from the video its obvious she did and/or try to. 

wmbuckeye557's picture

I m a LEO and typically if there is video of incidents police/prosecutors can file charges. The video evidence is poor.  They can both still file charges in person, but from the video I would have to think it would be tossed.  He is responsible for his actions and she is also for her. If it wasn't as high profile this would have been resolve before the cleared the call that night. I don't know the civil side that well, but I would have to think at best it would be a draw. 
 

Oyster's picture

I'm a CANCER and I agree with your post.  After watching the clip, more than likely a no harm no foul incident that was resolved on the spot if it was your average Joe. 

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

Idaho Helga's picture

Not a lawyer, but this is going nowhere as a legal matter.  She's not going to sue him.  Given that crappy video it's not worth a lawyers time/ their money/going nowhere with either a judge or jury. 
The only reason it's not really "over" is because Carlos is now under Urban's microscope and don't even ask for water during stretches when he is back.  M-U-S-T_K-E-E-P_N-O-S-E_C-L-E-A-N.

Remy's picture

Hopefully this is the end of

Hopefully Hyde will fulfill his punishment guidelines and only miss three games.

"I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later." ~ Mitch Hedberg

Remy's picture

This is my summary of the video and this incident.

 
 

"I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later." ~ Mitch Hedberg

RoyMunson's picture

Sounds about right.
On a positive note, fresh legs for the B1G season.
 

cinserious's picture

My bad roymunson. Accidental dvote. Someone negate that please.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

Firedup's picture

So its a real possibility that El Guapo will run again? Thats cool.  Too bad it means another for Urban without a 1000 yard rusher.  

"Making the Great State of Ohio Proud!" UFM

BassDropper's picture

If El Guapo comes back and starts from the Florida A&M game until the end of the season he would still play in 1.5 extra game than he did last year.
2013-12 game reg - 3 games suspended + B1G championship +Bowl=11 games
2012-12 games - 2.5 injury=9.5 games

DIRECTIONER

Tony's picture

1000 yard running back, rather. Braxton had 1271 yards rushing last year.

tampa buckeye's picture

Rod smith could get 500 the first three games

cbusbuckeye's picture

The way I'm looking at this is his legs will be fresh for B1G play and we can get by w/o him the first three games...might just be a blessing in disguise???

d1145fresh's picture

I think its about right. I feel bad for Florida A&M. Hyde is going to come out hungry 

Urban Nation Army's picture

Good call. This reached the best resolution it could all the way around, outside of the BS media once again

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

Urban Nation Army's picture

Props to 11W though for staying honest and checking facts. Cheers to the best Buckeye site around!

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

Menexenus's picture

I guessed 2. After watching the video, 3 seems fair.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

Tanner's picture

Glad this is over. Hyde should consider himself lucky things didn't go a lot worse for him.
 
Looking forward to see who steps up in his absence.

steensn's picture

Sounds about right, glad it's over.

ScarletGray43157's picture

The victim released a statement written by her attorney, no doubt.  It seems that she doesn't want any details other than the video coming out.  
The Coach levied a punishment that will send a warning to any other players to not put themselves in a similar situation.   
Maybe good will come from this in the long run.
 

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Jeff Beck's picture

Now let's get Roby's punishment doled out and be done with this mess. Where are you college football season?

brglr14's picture

hes the bigger hurt. with these spread Os u need good dbs.  cal is going to throw the ball all over the yard.

I dont know karate but i do know crazy and i'm not afraid to use it.
                           

Ohiothomas1's picture

Enough with the PC bs, [Edit]

BtownBuckeye's picture

They dont like it when you call them that

OSUBias's picture

Signed in just to DV this. Carry on with a normal conversation now, 11W.

Shitter's full

JozyMozy's picture

the fact that this got -s e v e n- upvotes is sadly indicative of the fact that a handful of lunkheads needs to realize that it's 2013, the world has changed, and such bullshit just doesn't fly anymore. Expressing your opinions is one thing, being this tragically backwards in something you deem appropriate to publicly express is another. Keep it to yourself until you learn to act like a grownup. 

rdubs's picture

I would have been okay with 1 or 2 more as well.  I think it is important to set a strong precedent at OSU and I think he has done that with previous punishments and this is consistent with that.

brandonbauer87's picture

I have mixed feelings. 4-6 games would sit better with me. 

wojodta's picture

more like 1 game

avail31678's picture

Why is this being downvoted so bad?  It's an opinion, and it's not a super crazy one.  I know people who are still calling for Hyde to be dismissed based on the video.  While I don't necessarily agree with THAT, this opinion is not insane.  And even if it was, per site policy, downvoting is only for abusive comments etc, not for differing opinions.  Nothing abusive here.

wojodta's picture

Personally I think asking for anything more than 3 games is insane. Basically NOTHING happened in the video. Some argument and then a couple of light swipes by both of them. So that's probably why people get pissed when a "fan" asks for a kid to get kicked off the team. He made a mistake and I really think he's going to learn from it. Thankfully it's over...at least I hope so.

Chief B1G Dump's picture

I think we all learned a valuable lesson:
stay the hail away from Sugar Bar 2. 

YTOWNBUCKI's picture

11W has been perfect in their reporting of this situation.  Hopefully this means we won't have 15 forum topics per day about it anymore and hopefully Carlos has learned some sort of lesson as well as the rest of the team.  Now everyone can move on and continue 'The Chase'.

Stinson's picture

I can get down with this.

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Renard's picture

Watch the video closely...she slaps him then reacts to him coming at her by trying to kick him. Weather he connects or not you cannot tell but she losses her balance with the crowd behind her.

bhardy22132's picture

Still have one more matter to take care of. Do we know anything more on roby?

EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Timely, fair punishment. Consistency is the key when it's time to lay down the hammer and this should be seen as a positive sign to all Buckeye fans. Never thought for a second that Urban would let him off or cave in to public pressure. Sound decision.
Please come, season opener, please.

Knarcisi's picture

Actually fortunate with the 3 games. Roby will likely be something like 2. Now, these damn kids better wrap it up tight and get ready for some business. 

Hovenaut's picture

I'm satisfied.

Happy Urban decided upon this quickly.

Carlos Hyde....make the most of this opportunity. I'll be rooting for you.

brglr14's picture

he hit her. its pretty obvious. he should be gone. coach needs to get his point across about these kids putting themselves in bad situations

I dont know karate but i do know crazy and i'm not afraid to use it.
                           

buckeyedude's picture

Who made you the judge, jury and executioner? 
This is an unfortunate incident for both parties, and I hope the young woman in question, as well as El Guapo have learned something from this. Let's ALL move on.

 

 

brglr14's picture

move on is exactly what he should do . right of the team. your letting your love for this football team blind u. he shouldnt of been there . put himself in that spot and now he should be gone set an example for the rest. hes not a normal citizen. hes representing osu and he failed.

I dont know karate but i do know crazy and i'm not afraid to use it.
                           

bhardy22132's picture

No way. The love for the team is not what is driving these comments. The video is all the evidence anyone needs to know who took the first swing and she did connect. I don't care who it is I would expect the same reaction. 

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Since when is a 22 year old not allowed to go to a bar?  And he didn't "hit" her, he may have at most barely shoved her.  He should've walked away immediately instead of stepping towards her, sure, but he should not be gone.

Class of 2010.

brandonbauer87's picture

I'm not sure I agree but I see your point. 

gwalther's picture

That's actually not obvious to me. It looks like he may have given her a push, in response to her slapping him across the face. I think you should also focus on the fact that the girl actually assaulted Hyde first.. She struck him with her hand on his face, and it wasn't in self-defense. The law is gender blind on that. The same rules apply to males and females.
Also, I have a hard time thinking a kid should be kicked off the team when they... didn't commit, and werent even charged with, any crime.
(And by the way- men shouldn't hit women... But you know what, women should be able to find a better way to express themselves than hitting men as well. I think, generally speaking, both genders hold up their side of the bargain here.)

Class of 2008

OSUStu's picture

It isn't obvious at all that he hit her actually. 

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

urbanwarfare's picture

I think we all agree he should have handled it way different. But being kicked off the team for the incident and possibly ruining his professional career? I don't think that would be a positive statement to send

buckeyedude's picture

How does this compare with Storm Klein's punishment? I know the incidents don't compare, but for the life of me, I can't remember what punishment Klein got for what he did.

 

 

rdubs's picture

Klein ended up with no punishment beyond being removed from the team for the period of time that the charges were pending.  The difference is it sounds like he didn't hit anyone.  He physically removed his gf from his apartment after she attempted to destroy his property.

buckeyedude's picture

Thanks RDUBS. My memory isn't what it used to be. That helps.
So how many games did Klein actually miss? I can't remember.

 

 

rdubs's picture

If I recall the situation was settled before the start of the season so the only reason he didn't play much is due to talent and lack of practice time.  Technically he could have played started the season.  My timing may be off so hopefully others will chime in.

BtownBuckeye's picture

So when do we get the FREE EL GUAPO t shirts?

umbyosu's picture

I think everyone should stay away from the Sugar.  Fair punishment, but I am sure that Urban haters will have a field day.

Bucksfan's picture

Dammit.  Need him for Cal Berkeley, a lot of people might be overlooking that.  Very disappointing.

skid21's picture

I guess Urban decided some things are more important.

rdubs's picture

Agreed that Urban decided other things are more important.  And from a pure football perspective Roby will be much more important in that game (and for any game for that matter since our RB depth is amazing).  I think we could go undefeated without Hyde there all year.  

southernstatesbuckeye's picture

With Cal, the loss of Hyde may actually be an advantage, since they will have little footage of the ball carriers that will be utilized by Urban. In fact, this exact situation is a blessing in diguise, as it will ignite an empassioned free for all between these young phenoms!

Me thinkin Cal is the one who be tremblin.

Imagine Smith & Dunn battling for carries against the insane glut of talent clawing at the door! These guys are gonna be running like their hair is ablaze, and Coach Combs in their faces stoking the flames!

Buckeye Nation is going to be treated to the Special times we have yearned so long for. And you can say you were there!

These issues will never rest for the spundits, but let's leave it in the hands of our capable staff, get behind this team of destiny, and show the college world what classy fans look like.

Aw, I feel all warm and fluzzie...I could hug a wolver...(slaps face)

Go Bucks!

Bucksfan's picture

In fact, this exact situation is a blessing in diguise...

People said the exact same garbage when Beanie Wells went down with turf toe.  And when the tat-5 were suspended.  And when Troy Smith took money from that booster with Zwick as the backup.  Or when Mo Clarett got suspended with Lydell Ross as the backup. 
Losing your starting playmakers is so rarely a blessing in disguise, particularly at Ohio State, that it should never cross your mind as a possibility.  Never.

DefendYoungstown's picture

True, people did say that when Beanie went down and also when the tat-5 was implicated for their sins against humanity, we all thought somebody would rise from the ashes.  The difference with the current situation is - we have a lot of talent wanting a "chance", just a chance to show that they can contribute to a team that is destined for Pasadena.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

buckeyedude's picture

I would give my left ball to see the Buckeyes play for an NC at the Rose Bowl.

 

 

741's picture

I suspect there will be many, many, many hours of community service, and hellish nightmare hours spent with Mariotti necessary for Carlos to earn his way back onto the field by game 4.

jaxbuckeye's picture

Personally I think it's a big excessive.  But, with all the media garbage, I'm not surprised.  Meyer said he was going to be harder than any other program would be.  Just ready for this to be over (Roby and Baugh too) and START WATCHING ME SOME tOSU FOOTBALL!  MAN I GOT THE FEVER!!!!!!!!

AngryWoody's picture

Philippians 4:13 : "I can do all this through him who gives me strength."

Our Honor Defend!

brandonbauer87's picture

Seems kinda high and mighty for a guy who hit a woman right?

BtownBuckeye's picture

People make mistakes man, you ever made a mistake?

rdubs's picture

I think the point is that he realizes he messed up but that he will learn from this and be stronger for it.

Natron D14's picture

Not high and not mighty... quite the opposite. Mr Hyde seems low and gracious, in that he quotes a verse that states by the strength of Christ (i.e. not his own) he can overcome or "face" all things; that, my fellow buckeye is called humility. Which would be the opposite of High and/or mighty.
 
other translations then the one previously stated
http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Philippians%204:13

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Brutus' Left Nut's picture

I think he is suggesting that he can beat up a woman because Mariotti's strength program has made him a good fighter.

Natron D14's picture

I can see how an individual would perceive brute strength and extreme conditioning would translate to fighting prowess...
 
I think he would disagree
 

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bostonbuckeye's picture

You mean reacting to being hit by pushing a PERSON (doesn't matter what gender it is) back in what you could argue is self defense? I don't care what gender you are....most 22 year olds are going to react when being slapped/hit in the hit by someone of any gender.  Honestly, I probably would have pushed her too.  It's human nature to fight back. He should have walked away but he didn't. That doesn't mean he should have his whole life thrown away because some girl decided to start it all by hitting Hyde. 

wojodta's picture

it's pretty obvious that he didn't hit her.

Scarlet_Buckeye's picture

Why are people having such a difficult time understanding a slap is different than a hit?!  Baffles me.

AhhYes's picture

Perhaps instead of quoting scripture on twitter he should have read it more closely beforehand and turned the other cheek. 
Just sayin'

avail31678's picture

But he didn't....so at least he is now.

Young_Turk's picture

Now that I have seen the video, I have to change my opinion and say he should be kicked from the team.  I'm sorry to say.  I love my Buckeyes, and would hate to lose his talent on the field, but there is no room on the team for someone that strikes out at a woman (I won't say lady, as she probably is not a lady).  However, she is a woman and should be afforded that protection, especially from someone with the strength of Carlos.  
I will have a hard-time rooting for him on the field.  My preference would be for one of the young guns to take advantage of this opportunity, so that Carlos is a role player on his return, cause he clearly is not a role model.  
 

bhardy22132's picture

I'm sorry but being a girl,lady,woman gives you no right to swing on any man. I don't think he deserved to be kicked off the team. I personally think urban handled this one pretty well. And you act like the video shows Hyde striking her to the ground. 

btalbert25's picture

I kind of agree with Turk.  The video doesn't exonerate him.  The video still looks bad.  He definitely attempted to make contact.  It's like congrats Carlos, you tried to hit a girl and missed or even worse, you did hit a girl but the video doesn't show a clear enough image to press charges. 
I don't really much care if she hit him, which the video doesn't show either by the way.  I think a real man would never even entertain the idea of putting his hands on a woman to cause physical harm though. 

johnny11's picture

Yah there is a zero tolerance policy for violence against women at Ohio State. I know she hit him first and he just reacted in the beginning. Lets be realistic though Hyde is 6'0 240 lbs and the girl in the video even though it is not good quality is barely half that on a good day. He did not need to lung at her and possibly hit her like he did at the end before he walks off stage. With his left hand he appears to be attempting to slap her. She had already backed off enough at that point from the initial altercation that he didn't need to finish it with that. Now you can't tell if he hits her or pushes her with that final part, but either way it was not needed. his first reaction i understand just trying to get her away the last part he didn't need to do though because she was already far enough away for him to walk off. I would have given a little more than three games after watching the video, but I'm not mad at Meyer for the punishment he handed down. Its a bad situation all the way around and a tough judgment call on punishment.

Young_Turk's picture

What you say is true.  She had no right to swipe at him.  She attempted the first physical contact.  But that's on her.  That does not give him license to hit her back.
My comment is in regards to Carlos.  He tried to hit/swipe/strike a woman.  That it was in retaliation for her striking him is irrelevant.  To me it doesn't matter whether he hit her or not.  He attempted to hit her.  Yeah, it wasn't a punch.  Yeah she hit him first.  Doesn't matter.  It clearly wasn't in 'self-defense'.  Let me emphasize.....he tried to hit a woman.  
Let me ask you this.  What if it was a child.  If a child hits you, do you try to hit the child back? Of course not.  Carlos can probably bench press 2 of her about 25 times.  He can probably squat 4 of her I can't guess at how many times.  
You don't hit a woman.  It's a cardinal team rule that Urban has emphasized.  Unless there are extenuating circumstances I don't know about, I think he should be gone.  
So from now on, I shall refer to him as El Guapo Ironico.  
You don't hit a woman.  Period.

bhardy22132's picture

A woman her age knows a lot better than a child than to hit.

Olemissbuckeye's picture

I dont think that is the point with the above comparison to a child. The point is the potential danger or injury to Hyde presented by the child or the girl. Which is basically nothing, except perhaps for the injury to his pride.

I have a bit of a temper and may have done exactly the same thing at his age if a girl hit or even tried to hit me, but that doesn't excuse the response. Yes she hit him first. Yes he may have reacted instinctively. However she is a woman and Carlos is, in Urban's parlance, a "grown ass man". He has to be smarter than that. There aren't many women in Columbus bars who pose any sort of a threat to him whatsoever, except again to his pride. You don't put your hands on a woman over pride.

Not that my opinion is worth a hill of beans, but 3-4 games seems about right to me.

Also, a complete aside: horrible tatoos, muscle shirts, some loser with a flashlight, another loser with a squirt gun. Worst. Bar. Ever.

Buckeye80's picture

 I have to say that when my 4 year old son gets angry sometimes he pulls his hand back as to hit me.  I tell him every time that if he hits me he is going to get hit back in the form of a "butt whopping".  He has yet to receive a spanking when this happens because he is smart enough to realize what the outcome of the exchange would be.
The girl in this video is lucky that Hyde isn't some crazy person that could have really went off. (not saying she deserved to be touched at all)
It's an unfortunate situation that hopefully all involved will grow and learn from.
 

Haybucks's picture

The video does not make it obvious that the girl was struck, now matter what the news media sensationist say (Mindy Drayer).  Maybe, just maybe, he waved at her and told her to get the Philippians out of his face.  Sometimes threats work better than strikes.   

I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.
- Edward Gibbon
 

wojodta's picture

This situation actually makes me root for him even more. Personally, I think the punishment was harsh, but I trust Urban's judgment. He's a kid that made one stupid mistake and I hope he comes back stronger than ever. 

USMC11917's picture

How would the reaction be received on here if Hydes altercation was with a man? The same? Hyde put his finger in her face no doubt. She struck first. That's the real reason she isn't going after him criminally. She has less to lose going the civil route. Hyde had no business being in her face. I don't deny he made some extremely bad choices. She struck first and that just doesn't seem to be a blip on anyone's radar.

brandonbauer87's picture

Boys will be boys. Unless one decides to hit a woman. 

yrro's picture

Completely. 30 years ago? A reasonable punishment. Times have changed. Equality means *equality*, not this gilded cage BS. You punch someone you get punched back. Hyde did not *escalate* that fight. He pushed her away.

USMC11917's picture

My bad for the DV Yrro. I agree with you and hope some folks will make up for my mistake.

allbucksallthetime's picture

I have your back on that one USMC11917! Go Bucks!

USMC11917's picture

I can tell you this, law enforcement are trained to view each threat equally regardless of gender or age. Action must be reasonable. I am not saying the retaliation Hyde showed was reasonable, just that everyone discounting her as a threat because of her sex has flawed reasoning.

btalbert25's picture

That's because a 90lb woman with a 9mm is just as much of a threat as anyone else.  Plus Hyde isn't a cop approaching the scene of a crime.  He's a dude trying to hook up with chicks at a bar.  He wasn't backed into a corner and struck repeatedly, he was in no danger could we quit acting like he was defending himself.  Defending yourself and getting pissed off and retaliating are 2 different things completely. 
 

ArizonaBuckeye's picture

@ Yrro So you're saying if a woman punches you, you have a right to punch her back? I think not. If some sort of weapon were involved I might think differently. I don't give a $hit if she hit first. You don't hit back, or in this case shove your hand in her face or whatever he did. I'm a fan of Carlos Hyde ( lost a little respect for him, though ), but he should've just walked away...In my early twenties, I was slapped by a girl when I was being a disrespectful a$$hole. I swallowed my pride and walked away because I knew If I returned the favor she'd of been in the hospital and I'd have gone to jail and felt like complete garbage afterwards. My father instilled in me from a young age, you don't hit a woman. Period. Obviously, if there is a weapon involved (in this case no) you have to do what you can to protect yourself from serious bodily harm. I know someone mentioned is all about equality...So if it is, do you consider a 240 lb beast of a man EQUAL in size to a 120 lb woman? No. Carlos MAYBE said something to offend the girl enough for her to punch him. I'm not saying it makes what she did right, but he should've just walked away. He should've chalked it up to a: "Wow, I pissed her off, time to bounce."

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

cal3713's picture

+1.  
Yes, domestic violence is bad, yes, beating up people much smaller than you is bad, yes, physically intimidating people to gain an unfair advantage is bad... but what Hyde did here, in response to the slap simply wasn't any of those.  That said, he certainly called her a b**** or a c*** and that started the whole mess and unfortunately he deserves to be punished for creating this problem. That's what comes with being a star player at a place like OSU.  But he's not a "woman beater," and doesn't deserve any criminal punishment, or need rehabilitation so he can learn to take female attacks like a man. 

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

Glad this is finally over.  3 games seems tough, but fair.  could have seen 2 or even 4 as well.  Time for the younger players to step up the first few games!  You never know when your number will be called. 
Go Bucks!

nfischer's picture

The haters are going to come out in droves.  The punishment was deserved. A full season ban was not - due to the inconclusiveness of it all and the charges that were dropped by the alleged victim herself.  There is no way Urban was going to please everyone with whatever decision he finally concluded with.  Such is the cost of being the coach of tOSU. Based on the legal conclusion and what is known, I feel like it was an even handed response.  I hope I'm not viewing this through scarlet colored lenses. We should all want what is right...not just what is best for the football team. Here's to hoping that is Urban's aim as well.

USMC11917's picture

The video had nothing to do with not filing charges. The same charge she can criminally file on him could be put right back on her. That means a criminal record. In a civil suit I don't know how much she has to lose, but Hyde will have substantial assets when he goes pro.

wmbuckeye557's picture

Actually the police could have filed charges if the video showed what was originally published. At this point the only result would be a double assault which almost no one does that.

Texas Buckeye's picture

This is just a really crappy situation for everyone involved: 
For Carlos Hyde, this sets him back from a purely football perspective on what was expected to be another breakout season for him. 
For Urban Meyer: This was a no-win situation for him. No punishment and he would have been destroyed in the court of public opinion. If he had kicked Hyde off the team, some would have said that it would be too harsh of a punishment given the fact that no charges were filed. I think Urban handled this about as well as he could have. 
For the girl in the center of this whole thing: All I'm hoping for her is that nothing bad happen to herself and her family. I think she's been through enough going through all of this and I'm hoping the crazies stay out of her business and not try and doing something ridiculous. I'm sure she wants to put this whole thing behind her (I think we all do) and get back to focusing on more important things in our lives. 
All that being said, I think this punishment is fair. I don't envy Urban for having to make this decision, but I think this is the right one. I hope all of us can move on from this and focus on what's happening on the field. The season's almost here!

It's true... We really are a bunch of nuts!
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Boxley's picture

By, far the most balanced post on this thread.
The video shows CLEARLY they both made aggressive moves towards each other.
That does constitute simple assault in Ohio.
Unfortunately for Carlos he has more than just the state of Ohio law to face when he misbehaves. Three games is vary fair. I stated several times yesterday, that he would get 2-4 games for his behavior, regardless of any legal charges.
If he had faced legal charges and he would have not been returned from suspension, until after the charges had been addressed (Storm Klien scenario) through the court system, and that would have not been completed before the end of this season.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

DefendYoungstown's picture

Props to UFM for doing the right thing. Needed to make a point that NOBODY is bigger than tOSU Football Program.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

buckeyesean's picture

Any one have any idea whether the suspension is just for the games or all team activities?  If Hyde is able to practice and work out with the team, I don't think it'll be too much of a loss.  If he is unable to practice, gotta think he'll be rusty and potentially out of shape for Wisconsin.

Dayton Buckeye's picture

We have Mr. smith to set the tone for the first three games. We will be fine.

buckeyedude's picture

As long as he can hang on to the ball and find the holes.

 

 

GODOFWARBUCKEYE's picture

I don't agree with a three game suspension but deep down Urban feels bad about folks talking about him in the media. Hell its gotten so bad his family is having to come defense.. Lastly if TOSU looses to Cal and he thinks the media is mad at him just wait til he gets back to Columbus, the first question and last questions will be about Hyde and Bucks faithful will be super pissed...

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D. Anthony's picture

Hope you're career is back on track but, save the religious tweet Carlos...don't take a swing at a girl on Saturday night and be religion-boy on Sunday.

D. Anthony

USMC11917's picture

I don't want to come off as a proponent for abuse on women, I really don't. I just want to give a different perspective.
women have lobbied for equality and want to be on the front lines for war. They won. They also want to be afforded the opportunity to compete on a football field. They won. Women's equality is here. 
She strikes first and there is a big uproar. It doesn't set right with me.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

As a woman let me say this:

Don't hit a man. If you choose to do this, you may get hit back. Some women think they are somehow insulated from retaliation if they get violent with a man. I do not agree with this.

I wish Carlos had walked away. He would have been the better person. That is the essence of the punishment - - if you represent this fine University, more is expected of you.

Any one of you men would have been completely justified in giving her a good smack. The difference is that you do not suit up on Saturday.

Also, let's stop confusing this with 'violence against women'. That is something else entirely and the comparison dilutes what real violence is.

I think 3 games is a bit excessive, but I understand the necessity of it. I will be rooting for EG come Florid A&M and as always, Go Bucks!!!

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

buckeyedude's picture

I just want to say that that is a great post Angel, and I agree with EVERYTHING you said.

 

 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Thanks, dude.

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burkmon's picture

Being the other female on this site, I agree with you Angel.  Women want equality until they actually get it, but that's a whole other story for another day.
She made the first move and for all we know, since there is no audio to go with the bad video, Hyde could've been telling her to "get lost" in not so many words all while waving his hand in her direction.  Had he meant to make contact, I'm sure he would have and this would be a whole different story.  Watching the video, he had turned away, stepped down one step with one foot, and then turned back around to her without ever stepping all the way back up with both feet.  Looks like she continued to provoke him to me... leading him to get in the last word before walking away.  Yes, he should have continued on down the stairs and away, but how many of us ever really do that?  Man or woman.  That is just not human nature.  And as it was said before, it is not like he knocked her to the ground or even close.  We have no idea what the exchange was between them.  Urban needed to punish him, and the punishment was fair.  Hopefully, it's a lesson learned about what happens after midnight.
For all of you men out there that think women half your size are not a threat unless they are brandishing a weapon,  "just go to sleep" *.  lol. 
*from an Eddie Murphy skit.

 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I waited a bit to weigh in on the gender thing. I love me some chivalry, don't get me wrong. I want to be made to feel like a woman and to have a certain reverence paid to my feminine wiles.

However; conduct and context are important. If I take an unprovoked swing at a man, I am no longer acting as a lady and should not be treated as such. Of course this is not a license for a man to engage me as tho I am another man, but to suggest that I am immune from ANY physical retribution is ridiculous.

I appreciate those men who are raised to NEVER EVER hit a woman. I can't argue with that. I would however suggest that making judgements and generalizations as to it being the only correct thinking, is not just patronizing and small minded, but somewhat demeaning. In the nicest most possible way of course.

Oh, and glad to see another woman around these parts Burk. Myself, Helga and Pam can get a little lonely sometimes :-)

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

btalbert25's picture

I can just see it now.  I have 2 teenaged kids a son and daughter .  If my daughter hits my son and starts a fight my wife and I will let our son beat the ever loving shit out of her because well she started it.  When she asks why we allowed it to happen we'll say well, one day women weren't allowed to vote and they made less then men.  Because of their efforts you are allowed to get the shit beat out of you by a man.  That's the equality that so many fought for. 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Who said beating the shit out of anyone?

I said give her a smack. Women don't get to just do what they want and hide behind their ovaries. The whole idea that a man can't lay a hand on a woman NO MATTER WHAT is the real sexist axiom.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

William's picture

This, so much this. Women want to be treated as equals to men, which they should be, and which I am all for; therefore if they pop someone, they should not be allowed to "hide behind their ovaries" as you put it. 

Also I completely agree with you on your stance about not being able to lay a hand on a woman no matter what, and how that is probably one of the most sexist aspects of our society, it also creates a huge double standard. I don't treat my girlfriend as some human being that gets to live by, and is subject to different societal rules, she is my equal, and that is how it should be. 

ArizonaBuckeye's picture

I'm all for equality. My father just raised me to never lay a hand on a woman. OBVIOUSLY, if a weapon is involved it's a different story, but there was no weapon here. Carlos should've just walked away. Honestly, three games is getting off easy.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

wmbuckeye557's picture

I would have just walked away, but she was clearly not acting as a woman. 

D. Anthony's picture

I just hate seeing the religious tweet brought into this... thanks to the 3 peeps for the up vote. I knew I'd probably get bashed :)

D. Anthony

Hovenaut's picture

I just would like to offer my sincere thanks to the 11W folks for keeping it up to date and on the straight and narrow.

This was a tough story, appreciate the professionalism throughout folks.

May the more upbeat content commence!

southernstatesbuckeye's picture

Thank you Hovenaut, for this comment. I'm afraid the social media age has caused the phenomenon we are seeing in these endless back and forth position battles among us as fans.

I second the notion that we just trust the judgment of a coach we have all been lauding for the past year, and get on with being encouraging fans of a team we all must surely love.

It's still a fact that we do not have every intimate fact in the situation, and we wisely, as a group, seemed to pull back from the cliff in the early going concerning this topic...only to second guess about how we would insert our own value system into the equation...again, without all the facts.

Please, fellow fans...respect the decisions of our fine and capable staff, and let's show this team and the entire Hater Nation what the class of the Big Ten is all about.

The detractors may be able to fart in the general direction of the B1G for a few more years, but I declare unto you that OHIO STATE IS BACK!

VIVA la FRANK!!

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

Absolute bullsh*t.
1 game? Fine. Sure.
2 games? I wouldnt like it, but I'd understand.
A quarter of the season though?
Absolutely unfair.

captain obvious's picture

I disagree. This sends a message to the players to avoid places and situations that could lead to trouble.

I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me

OSUStu's picture

Punishments that are based on sending a message are inherently unfair.   See:  NCAA

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

A suspension is warranted. This was overkill by Urban to appease all these troglodytes in the media.
Also, you really think this incident will deter players away from bars/clubs/parties? 
 I got some oceanfront property in Ohio to sell you. 
 

Buck Wild's picture

It was not overkill by Urban, but instead a tone setting message to players/recruits that BS will not be tolerated. (Ask T. Gardner)

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

I respectfully disagree. What Gardner did was worse
Gardner lied to police and caught an obstruction of justice charge. Way more serious.
 

Buck Wild's picture

Never stated what Gardner did was not wrong/worse. My point was Urban is tightening the screws on expectations in being a Buckeye w/ tough punishment if you screw up.
 

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987

captain obvious's picture

It will deter some not all but isnt that the point?
Next year when Hyde's draft stock drops and it costs him money you don't think other players look will notice and possibly make better choices?
 
 
 

I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me

Buck Wild's picture

Hyde put himself in the situation...he has to own the consequences & he should be darn glad there was a grainy video or his arse would watch every game on TV this year...

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

El Guapo - I'm guessing you'll be working on doing a shit load of pushups and stairs coming up! 

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Mikefletcher24's picture

He's lucky it wasn't more, the lunge at her was minimal, but hopefully he earns from it and it sends a clear message. Just beat Michigan 

House804's picture

What the hell kind of a punishment is "at least 3 games?"  It's either 3 games or it isn't.  Why not just make it 4 and be done with it. Stupid.

We talkin' bout practice?!  Not the game I love...the game I die for.  Practice?!

Shaun OSU's picture

It's because it is a minimum of 3 games, but could be extended if he does not meet the additional off the field requirements that the coaches set. It's not that hard to understand...

House804's picture

I understand what it means bro, its just vague and stupid.  On what planet would a player like Hyde not meet the requirements?

We talkin' bout practice?!  Not the game I love...the game I die for.  Practice?!

droessl's picture

Well shit. I'm gonna try to look at the positives: 1) Hyde is still on the team and whenever he comes back, he's going to run with an effing purpose. 2) other RBs, including EzE, will hopefully get more experience and time to shine in games that shouldn't be too competitive. 3) Urban has set a good, and seemingly fair, precedent for off field conduct. 
I'm glad this is coming to a close, and glad Hyde will (IMO) be back for conference play. 

btalbert25's picture

I love all the comments about how a woman is an equal threat as a man and that this isn't 30 years ago if you punch someone you get punched.  My wife is 5'0 tall 100lbs.  If she were to hit me, yes it would hurt some and I would be PISSED.  If I hit her back though, it would do serious damage.  Physically, she is not equal and it's not even close.  I'm willing to bet a college aged girl in a bar is not remotely close physically to a starting RB for a national championship contender. 

OSUStu's picture

Well said.  People keep talking about this like a hypothetical situation.  The thing is, that girl was small and Hyde is huge.  In no way were these two on equal footing. 

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

Riggins's picture

You're so hung up on the gender.
What if the person was a 5'6" 125 pound male?  That guy would get his head kicked in and everyone would LAUGH their ass off and tell him he shouldn't start somerthing he can't finish.
What iif the person was a 6'2" 250 pound female?  If Hyde would even have simply grabbed her wrists to prevent her from striking him, some of you guys would've lambasted him for even "putting his hands on a woman".
No one here is calling for a return to the 50's where it was cool to beat on your wife and she had no recourse but to take it and wear sunglasses to cover the bruises. 
My only question would be why you aren't holding women to the same standard of civility?  Why are women free to swing at a man when men have no other recourse but retreat?  Are women incapable of controlling their emotions? Cause that seems sexist to me.
edit- and FWIW, I wouldn't have condoned him swinging at her. He can do a lot of damage. He got her out of his face. He still needs to serve his punishment for putting himself in the situation and for putting OSU in the news.

btalbert25's picture

First, I never said it was ok for her to swing at him.  Second, I absolutely have no problem with the scenario you put out there were he would grab her wrists to restrain her.  My problem isn't putting his hands on a woman period, it's when a man intends physical harm.  I've never said a man couldn't defend himself, let's face it he wasn't defending himself there.  Last, I would absolutely have a problem with a man the size of Hyde who basically is given a scholarship to keep himself in excellent shape so he can play football  beating up a 5'2" dude that weighs 120 lbs.  It would be just as bad in my opinion and he would deserve the same kind of discipline he's getting now.  
The other scenarios, though, are irrelevant because none of those scenarios happened. 

Jhesse17's picture

He didn't beat her up though. Depending on how you see the video, he either pushed or slapped her once. Lets eliminate gender from the argument. If I'm at a party and some 5'2" guy hits me I'm going to do a lot more than push him. I really don't understand why the woman is above reproach in so many of your eyes.

southernstatesbuckeye's picture

BT, you still beating a dead horse. We get it. You aren't happy with the outcome. People agree to disagree. Let's put it to rest. Hyde will be punished far more severely in the long run.

But I find it curious that if, like you say, you only have a problem with this kind of thing when one "intends physical harm", then where is your problem here? Hyde obviously didnt intend physical harm, or she would have been a smattering of grease on the floor.

Trust that Coach Meyer has more intimate knowledge of the situation, has weighed all the myriad pieces like a man under an intense microscope of scrutiny from all directions, and has made the best judgment possible before God and man.

Let's put it to rest, my friend, ok?

Olemissbuckeye's picture

Btalbert and OSUSTU a not hung up on gender at all. They bothspecifically put the emphasis on Hyde's size and the risk presented by the SMALL girl. Then this response gets us right back into hypotheticals. And yet they get downvoted to oblivion.

Total logic fails all over the place. Anyone downvoting them needs to roger up and reply with a solid take. This upvoting/downvoting system is being turned into a farce.

OSUStu's picture

Thanks for the support OleMissBuckeye.  I was trying to highlight the point that there is so much talk about excuses until hypothetical situations while there is a real situation at hand.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

luckynutz's picture

This is the point where it falls on the shoulders of carlos hyde. Urban said at least 3 games...so now is when carlos has to step up and show he has learned from this, and make things right with his coaches, teammates and everyone else he let down in this situation. The message here is clear...he embarassed himself and his team. You want to be a part of the team, you have to show us you have learned from this and are willing to take the necessary actions to prove yourself to your brothers. Its not cut and dry here...its open ended. Balls in your court carlos.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I'd say 3 games is on the high end of fair.  I was looking for 1 or 2 games given what I saw in the video.  He should've just walked away to begin with, but I don't feel that the inconclusive view of what I saw on that video should've led to him being kicked off of the team.  Three games is a bit more than what I expected, and it's a pretty stiff punishment, but not one that I feel is overly excessive.  Urban is sending as balanced of a message as he can. 

Class of 2010.

XUbuckeye's picture

I'm glad this is finally coming to a close. 3 games is pretty harsh, but I like the message Urban is sending the team that they better keep their act together off the field. Looking forward to seeing an angry Hyde back in time for the B1G opener. 

"So when you get knocked on your butt, get up, get over it, and then next time, kick their ass." - Woody Hayes 

Urban Nation Army's picture

Of all the people involved, I feel worst for the innocent bystanders who were caught on camera being at Sugar Bar 2.

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

Goalscorer9's picture

shining flashlights on girl's behinds

Natron D14's picture

OH THE HUMANITY!

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Bucks's picture

Three isn't off-the-range, and understandable to me. Certainly a firm/stern choice given the actual events but I have no issue with that.
Ball is in Carlos' court now and I have no doubt, he will deal with every other requirement.
Glad this ridiculous 10 day running story is over. Bring me the footbaws.

Maestro's picture

Fair enough.
Go Bucks!!

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TraptnMI's picture

The girl lost her balance because she basically was out on her feet from a heavy handed slap to her right temple. The poor thing staggered for a good 15 secs. I suppose Carlos dosen't enjoy getting slapped in the face, so slap that ASS!!!!

" It's real good whatcha done Anthony, real good ! "

buckeyedude's picture

***TROLL ALERT***

 

 

TraptnMI's picture

OOUUUCH!!!! Well done NERD FUUUUUUUUUUUUU

" It's real good whatcha done Anthony, real good ! "

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

This whole thing makes me feel uncomfortable. Consider Hyde's punishment versus Boom's or Posey's. I dont care what anyone says, he took a swing at her. I dont want a player like that representing my alma mater.

btalbert25's picture

Totally agree.  Of course if Rod Smith has learned how to hold onto the ball, by game 4 Hyde may have a drastically different role on this team anyway.  

Jhesse17's picture

After she took a swing at him. I am a lot younger than you guys, and even El Guapo, so I guess you guys have more emotional control than I do. Because if I'm at a party and a girl slaps me I would love to say I'd let it go and walk away, but the odds are good that I would at least shove her, if not all out bitch slap her. And trust me if a guy hits me I will bang him out on the spot.

ScarletNGrey01's picture

Watched the video, it obviously got to the point where Carlos was giving the girl unwanted attention, he gave her the "double finger salute" and who knows what he said.  The girl should not have lashed out at him but for a beast of a guy like him to even slightly slap her showed poor judgment.  My daughter knows the girl, she's a year younger than my daughter, went to a rival high school and they worked together one summer, said she was a nice person and is very attractive.  My daughter does a little modeling, gets hit on a lot, it can get old for a pretty girl sometimes when the guy won't just walk away, and football players are notorious for having entitlement issues.  It obviously was not a knock down type of assualt, but considering the microscope our program is under I understand why Meyer made his ruling.  I hope Carlos responds well to this off the field and once on the field has an unbelievable ten games.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

VBBuckeye's picture

#PrettyGirlProblems

pasadena buckeye's picture

You probably have the most balanced take I've read from anyone on any website. I hope the girl doesn't carry any emotional trauma from the episode and that Hyde learns a very valuable lesson.

Pasadena Buckeye

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Anytime I have ever worn revealing clothes, stood on a stage at a club and shook my ass in a room full of guys, I was looking for attention.

Thats the point of being there.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

buckeyedude's picture

You are so on your game today, Angel.
I'm really tired of the self-righteous. The double-standard is ridiculous. I think Urban did the right thing in this case.

 

 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

What can I say? I know women.

;-)

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cal3713's picture

When women fart it smells like orange skittles.

nfischer's picture

Hopefully an unbelievable 11 games.

Baroclinicity's picture

Time to move on.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

gobucks96's picture

Not happy, but lesson learned..

BassDropper's picture

One thing you have to consider. If Smith, Ball, Dunn or whoever the starting RB will be goes crazy and is averaging 100 ypg by the time Hyde comes back, dont expect Hyde to just come in and take the job.

DIRECTIONER

Cdrone92's picture

Don't worry, ESPN will make a bigger deal about all of this for as long as they can. But hey, it's over!
I just want some football and a ramp to march down already. Go Bucks.

kdizzleduzit's picture

I'm just glad this chapter is finally in the book

Stinson's picture

Thoughts:
 
1.) Thank God this whole scene is over.
2.) I believe a 3-game punishment is fair. I predicted 4 games.
3.) We initially thought he was kicked off the team. Now we know we'll have him for the B1G slate. I view that as a positive.
4.) Don't be stupid, fellas.

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

pjtobin's picture

I totally agree with Urbans decision. I understand that he is doing his job. He is doing what he feels is corrective action. We fans do not know what went on behind closed doors. Why do we even care? Nothing we do or say is going to change the outcome. I just don't understand why a few 11w members would not see that it was handled. And it is over. No use crying over spilled milk. Clean it up. Don't do it again. He is a buckeye. He is a very good reason as to why we are fans. He needs our support. Kids make mistakes all the time. Here is one of his. Big deal. No one was injured. It was a bonehead move. Urban laid down the law. Now onto a new topic. 

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GOSUBUcks's picture

Carlos deserves a suspension for putting himself in this situation and handling it in a pretty silly way for a player of his reputation. I think the suspension was one game too much but he will learn his lesson and come back strong because he has the right coaching leadership.
I'm just mainly upset that this girl thought she was so victimized when she was the initiator and I don't think she will learn the lesson that she needs to learn. I don't mean to sound chauvinistic but if ladies want to consider themselves equals in law with men, then what gives them the mindset that slapping people and trying to initiate contact is fine. It's downright hypocritical and I don't think she understands this. Not to mention she was underage and most-likely was drunk at this bar. Does the fact that she is a cop's daughter shield her from all crimes? Who knows, maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist. 
I guess what I'm getting at is that it's sad that all lessons probably won't be learned in this case and the girl may always see herself as the victim. I won't mention her name to respect her privacy although I think many people know it by now. I mainly hope I'm wrong and she learned a lesson and doesn't get flak from OSU fans for the whole process. I think she just suffered from some illusion of entitlement and hope she learned her lesson.

pcuzz1's picture

Very well put! I could not agree more with what you had to say in regards to the girl. Hopefully she does learn a lesson, but sadly, that probably will not be the case. I strongly believe any man who hits or puts his hands on a woman is a coward. But as you stated, if women want to be considered equal, they should not hit a guy

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2002osubuck's picture

He uses his left arm and it's a pushing motion, not swinging, if he meant to hit her sure it'd be with his natural hand. It's not even obvious if he touches her since shes falling behind people in the cameras view as he makes the pushing motion, after she kicks at him as well. The state of Ohio would have pressed charges on their own if they felt he assaulted her in any way. He'll serve his 3 games and hopefully will be the end of it for good. Time to move on and focus on the season.

hit_the_couch's picture

I believe he really wants to be Urban's first 1000 yard back. This man will be on fire for those 11 games when he returns.
 
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august 31 here yet?

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D. Anthony's picture

I really wanted to see nothing happened, but I have to admit I see the swing and though I can't actually see contact, it sure looks like her legs buckle/go wobbly just after for a considerable amount of time and Hyde bolts. Pretty sure this is why it's at least 3 games and Urban isn't just bowing to pressure. I went from wanting zero games to feeling at least 3 is correct and really hoping another back really breaks out this season. Hyde did this to himself and anyway you try to slice it, he did make Buckeye Nation look bad and put Urban in a tough spot.

D. Anthony

FROMTHE18's picture

Very fair. He reacted poorly to the girl attempting to or successfully hitting him. Hes a man, and on top of that a huge RB, theres no need to even turn around and confront her, just walk away. I think he knew it right away, thats why he got out of there so quickly. Hopefully lesson learned for Hyde and the rest of the team. 

Olemissbuckeye's picture

What is with people downvoting posts that they disagree with? If the post violates 11w policy or does not "add to the discussion" then by all means DV. There are a number of posts above that while obviously unpopular can't be said to meet the criteria for downvoting. I think some of y'all need to stop confusing the DV button with the reply.

brandonbauer87's picture

Anybody who is defending him should swap that woman with your daughter or sister. Take off your Buckeye glasses and realize he swung at a woman. Making contact is irrelevant. 

VBBuckeye's picture

Would my daughter or sister have swung first or even be in a place like that shaking her ass? No... Bad example.

brandonbauer87's picture

I'm sure this girl's father didn't think she'd be there either. 

buckeyeEddie27's picture

I didn't take the time to read all the comments above so I don't know if this has been brought up yet but, this suspension situation seems similar to Boom's suspension a couple years ago. As a result of that suspension Hyde had his number called so to speak. He stepped up, ran hard and made a name for himself. After Boom's suspension was up though, Hyde took the low road and pouted a little bit having seen his starting spot go back to Boom.  Point is, with Hyde being on the other end of it this time I hope he is there for the younger guys and gives leadership and guidance to them. Especially if there are similar feelings coming from the underclassmen that Hyde felt not too long ago.  All in all there are a ton of lessons to be learned from all this and really I hope he's taking notes.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

Very interesting point.   I completely missed the role reversal Carlos has in this case.   I hope Hyde is paying attention and will take the leadership/mentoring role in this situation.   

TraptnMI's picture

Dr. Love Carlos and Mr. Hyde!

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ChazBuckeye's picture

I haven't read one comment above because I don't want my opinion to be skewed.  I feel this was a spot on punishment.  Hyde didn't hit the girl to begin with and it really infuriates me to see ppl making women out to be this monument or pillar that should never be touched, even if they touch you first.  
My Dad taught me something that has gotten me out of trouble many of times with situations like Hyde's.  If she swings first, explain that she's making a very large mistake.  If she does it again, let her know without tearing her head from her shoulders.  IMO, this situation eludes this type of sentiment. I hate, and I mean HATE the fact that women's lib has become what it is today and it's not fair.  
Hyde does not deserve to be booted from the team and if you still feel that way after watching the video, then you've never been in these situations like I expressed above.  I'm not saying the stereotypical, "Well if she wants to act like a man and swing at a man.  Well then she needs treated like a man." No! This is not what I'm saying BTW.  If the girl didn't do what she did, then Hyde wouldn't have done what he did...PERIOD!  He didn't hit her with the intent to harm....like she did him, but missed.  Hopefully ppl see where I'm coming from and don't get it mixed up.  I'm not an advocate for hitting women...but in this situation...she asked for some type of a reaction by trying to strike him (I just wish he would have tried to stop her or restrain her to explain to bouncers what happened).
 Hence why many were saying on the very first Hyde thread that she wasn't going to press charges because she knew she was in the wrong and could have a counter suit on her hands.  Now it looks like many who were saying she was out for attention...may be correct.

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Scarlet_Buckeye's picture

Everyone (aside from Michigan fans) seems to be calling it a "slap".  Michigan fans (and SOME OSU fans) are calling it a "hit" (HE HIT HER!!!).  Don't get me wrong... slapping a girl isn't a good thing, but it certainly is different than HITTING someone.  The fact that we're even having this discussion is PROOF ENOUGH that it wasn't a "hit."  Because HAD Hyde HIT her, you can bet your bottom dollar he WOULD have been arrested by now.
The best analogy I can come up with is baseball...  in baseball, when a batter quickly squares his shoulders, there's not an announcer in the world that says, "he's hitting!"  They all call it a "bunt".  Now... some of the more contrarian people out there would likely try to retort... BUT A BUNT IS A HIT!  Correction: A bunt is a hit *IF* the batter makes it safely to 1st Base!  That's like... a SLAP is a HIT if the offender is arrested and/or makes it to JAIL!.  If it was TRULY as offensive as MICHIGAN fans would like to have you believe, then the Columbus Police would have pressed charges on Hyde, likely w/o the "victim" pressing charges!