Hyde Suspended Indefinitely; Roby, Two Freshmen Disciplined

By Kyle Rowland on July 22, 2013 at 4:11p
225 Comments

July 22, 2013, may as well be known as "Black Monday" for the Ohio State football program. Four Buckeyes, including starting running back Carlos Hyde were disciplined for run-ins with the law.

Hyde is suspended indefinitely and will not take part in any team activities pending the outcome of a student code of conduct and criminal investigation. Earlier reports incorrectly stated Hyde had been dismissed from the team. 

Hyde, a senior, is named as a person of interest in an on-going assault investigation. According to a police report obtained by Eleven Warriors, the victim of the alleged assault was struck at Sugar Bar located on Front Street in downtown Columbus in the early morning hours on Saturday. 

“I have a clear set of core values in place that members of this football program are constantly reminded of and are expected to honor,” said head coach Urban Meyer. “There are also expectations with regard to behavior. I expect our players to conduct themselves responsibly and appropriately and they will be held accountable for their actions.”

Junior cornerback Bradley Roby, scheduled to appear at Big Ten media days in Chicago later this week, will not attend the conference’s showcase event. Instead, senior safety Christian Bryant will appear in his place.

According to a report from the Columbus Dispatch, Roby was arrested in Bloomington, Ind., and faces preliminary charges of battery resulting in bodily injury. Sources told the Dispatch that he was "asked to leave the bar after a disturbance, refused, and was subdued by bouncers at the bar before being taken into custody."

Roby's status on the team will be determined as more information is gathered from the incident. 

Two freshmen – tight end Marcus Baugh and offensive lineman Tim Gardner – also received punishment from Meyer.

Baugh was arrested for underage possession of alcohol and possession of a fake ID last weekend. He lost his summer scholarship, is suspended from all team activities and will miss the season opener versus Buffalo.

Gardner, charged by Columbus police with obstruction of official business on Saturday, has been sent home to Indianapolis and will not be part of the 2013 Ohio State football team.

“Swift, effective and fair discipline is the standard for our entire athletics program,” said athletic director Gene Smith. “I applaud Coach Meyer for his immediate actions.”

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pjtobin's picture

Please keep us posted. Thanks!!

Bury me in my away jersey, with my buckeye blanket. A diehard who died young. Rip dad. 

gerry30's picture

   How bout a "stand your ground (on the dance floor)" defense for Carlos? He "fled" too. To avoid further assault. Has all states' laws covered. If the helmet don't fit, you must acquit. Seriously, another OH S_ _ _! event, but I've learned first hand in my profession to a) mistrust print media reports; b) same for police reports the victim files; and c) don't rush to judgment or think things are "fixed" when an athlete gets charges reduced or dismissed. 
    Look at "domestic violence" charges. Ask any divorce lawyer to tell you some war stories:
Husband has a TRO prohibiting him from contact with child or spouse. Wife says, "Can't get off work; mom's at the doctors. Please pick Sally up after school at 2:45."
Then her sister is at school filming husband and wife as both arrive, and wife goes ape with the acting. In court, wife says she called husband only to say support payment hasn't been deposited and he threatened to kill the kid, so she called her sister (or more often, the cops). Women Dom Rel. judges? GOOD LUCK!
Storm Klein? Who knows what really went on. When I was his age, I had a meltdown because my wifE-to-be stepped in goose poop at the lake in her Papagallas and got my GTO carpet dirty.
Same thing with "stalking charges." A lot of BS and abuse, then the REAL cases are poo-pooed because of it.  

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Most of the best lessons are the expensive kind.
 

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MichiganBuckeye222's picture

Gardner, charged by Columbus police with obstruction of official business on Saturday, has been sent home to Indianapolis and will not be part of the 2013 Ohio State football team

 
Wow.  that's pretty decisive.  Urban means business

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TennesseeJohn's picture

bummer. Make better decisions, guys.

Scarlet_Buckeye's picture

Would much rather see it like this than the way it was sounding at 8 AM this morning...

Boomcat's picture

My thoughts exactly!

FROMTHE18's picture

seems about right on all counts, even if he had botted Hyde completely, id think Meyer has handled this well, no BS...apparently Vonn Bell wasn't involved....nice knowing you Mr. Gardner, I'd expect Roby to face some time in the Time-Out chair

tunehtraef's picture

Hopefully this can calm down the other thread where the sky is falling.
Let this play out without knee-jerk reactions and see what happens!
Go Bucks!!!

osu07asu10's picture

What a great day for tOSU in the Fulmer Cup standings...

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

TMac's picture

Is there a correlation between Tim Gardner's punishment and his potential vrs the potential of 2014 OL recruits??

Northbrook's picture

This is just a guess and could be total bullshit but I'd say.
Strike 1: He came in out of shape.
Strike 2: He wasn't performing well in Summer Camp
Strike 3: He got in trouble with the law.
Buh Bye

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Not to make light of a bad situation, but I will anyway . . .
As for your strikes 1 & 2 (above): maybe, up to this point, Gardner was much better at obstructing the police than he had been at obstructing DLmen during summer camp? 

Earle's picture

Making light? Perhaps the problem was that he didn't understand the weight of his offense(s).

Italics are for emphasis.

tae1986's picture

Strike 2: He wasn't performing well in Summer Camp

This one is a "Moo Point." It's like saying if he was a better athlete Meyer would have tolerated his behaviors. We know better than that.

Remind yourself, Nobody built like you, You designed yourself.

Northbrook's picture

Not performing well could be attitude rather than athleticism. And the proper term is 'moat point'.

Denny's picture

It's like a cow said it; it's moo.

Taquitos.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

FRIENDS reference lol

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

bukyze's picture

 

Cannot get Joey's 'moo point' to embed !
 
 

Northbrook's picture

'moat point' as in if we ever have another day like yesterday take me to the MOAT and make a POINT of throwing me in.

Earle's picture

Maybe he was so out of shape he couldn't get through workouts without throwing up:  "Boot Point"

Italics are for emphasis.

clogan1032's picture

Maybe he couldn't hear it and it was a Mute Point

rekrul's picture

Maybe he came in the wrong attire to practice on more than one occasion, so it would be a To Wong Foo point...

Out Work, Out Think, Out Play!!!

osubuck57's picture

What happened with Gardner?? Sorry, in advance!!

SCOTTC.

FROMTHE18's picture

obstruction of official police business/justice....he gone.

45OH4IO's picture

There's probably a bit more behind the curtain before that incident to warrant such swift/hard justice.

BassDropper's picture

He ran from the cops...not sure what he did to get in that situation

DIRECTIONER

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

At his size, I doubt he ran anywhere.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

kdizzleduzit's picture

Interesting that Gardner will not be on the 2013 team.  My guess is he is gone forever

mtrotb's picture

Was that a tongue in cheek comment about it being Black Monday since all 4 are?

mtrotb

Poe McKnoe's picture

Yea, or this...

Black Monday, September 19, 1977 – when Youngstown Sheet and Tube Company, one of America's largest regional steel-manufacturing firms, announced that it would shut down most of its operations in the vicinity of Youngstown, Ohio, placing 5,000 people out of work. This development presaged the collapse of that community's industrial economy, from which it still hasn't recovered (as of 2010).

Or any of the other 20 bad Mondays that have received the term "Black Monday".

Denny's picture

Nope.

Taquitos.

kdizzleduzit's picture

This was your first comment on 11W? not a good start

BierStube's picture

I think this is Buckeye1129 trying to reinvent himself ... unsuccessfully!

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BassDropper's picture

You sir are an idiot

DIRECTIONER

Poison nuts's picture

Boo....Hiss...Bad form sir/ma'am. Extremely bad form.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

droessl's picture

Or "Black Tuesday" which had a little something to do with the stock market and bad news. 

TheShookster's picture

at least we know now. it sucks but I think it could have turned out a lot worse.
to continue a thought I had earlier, you take it on faith, you take it to the heart....

RedStorm45's picture

so...was the Vonn Bell situation just nothing? or simply not addressed today?

SilverBulletNYC's picture

I don't know how to embed tweets but his brother just stated that Vonna was in Tennessee and did not get arrested. His brother's exact quote:
"I do not know nothing about all the Vonn Bell arrest rumors I talked w him earlier and he was at the meeting and mention nothing abt trouble"

The South will NOT rise again!

Frankly Scarlet's picture

Either his brother is not old enough to have his own Twitter account, or he needs to take some grammar lessons. Yeesh.

 
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tennbuckeye19's picture

If you read enough tweets, most of them are lacking in the areas of spelling, grammar, and common sense.

steensn's picture

I think we are passed the point where surprise would creep up for anymore players to be added to this list...

Larryp713's picture

I was truly surprised about the Vonn Bell arrest rumors, especially for underage drinking. From everything I have read and heard, that would be way out of character. I won't believe that until I see evidence.

Respectfully,

Larryp713

Crimson's picture

Nothing to see.  Moving along.

YTOWNBUCKI's picture

I saw a lot of people claiming a need to basically babysit these players on the other thread. That simply is not possible. These kids are just that, kids. They're going to get drunk and probably do stupid things. We have all been to college and I highly doubt any of us could say we were absolute angels all of the time.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Urban/tOSU culture, it's just some 20 year olds doing 20 year old things. The only difference is that they're in the spotlight and being talked about on message boards and sports websites, and none of us are.

FROMTHE18's picture

exactly, if i went out in columbus and did something stupid, no one would hear about it, they do it and its broadcasted to the world...but thats something they are aware of and need to take into account before being idiots

YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Agreed.  I'm definitely not condoning their actions, but to think that things like this aren't going to happen is a little closed-minded.  With the internet the way it is today and people in China knowing that you got a DUI before you even find out yourself, these kids really have to be on their best behavior. 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

You are so right and you are so wrong.
Yes, I have been to college, yes I did stupid 20 year old things and no I have not been in the spotlight or had people talk about me on tv, blogs or other such things.
I also have not had the promise of an NFL career, the unparalleled support of a professional staff or the countless other advantages of a major sport college athlete. They are not the same as everyone else so stop trying to act as though they get to be regular 20 year olds. They don't. It's not fair. It's not supposed to be. They are talented. They are special. They are running and sweating and sitting in ice-cubes and playing thru pain and SACRIFICING. They don't get it both ways.
You don't just earn it in the gym or on the field or even in the classroom. One weekend. Four athletes disciplined. All bar/alcohol related in some way. Something needs to change. I'd rather call a babysitter than a bail bondsman.
 

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Athletes get arrested for these kinds of things at a lower percentage than the general public. This stands out more to you though because it's put out in press releases. There are 100 kids on the football team, 4% of them got in trouble and you think that employing some type of change is going to do anything?

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Didn't the team just do some wind sprints because of the Baugh arrest?
Same concept.
Or, we could just chalk it up to 20 yr olds being 20 yr olds. Whatever.
And it stands out to me because the general public does not get the same ride in life as these young men; not because it's in the media.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

skid21's picture

I think saying it is college kids being college kids is missing the point. How many other programs have had this many arrests over the last week? I love OSU and will usually defend till the end but I was a dumb college student once and did my share of stupid things. However, hitting a woman, refusing to leave a bar when told to and running from police aren't just stupid college kid antics. Underage drinking OTOH is.

buckz4evr's picture

Didn't 'Bama have 4 kids get in trouble last week and get booted from the team?

wmbuckeye557's picture

It's a different culture there,  I doubt many of the local cops would charge a football player for underage drinking. 

YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Athletes get arrested for these kinds of things at a lower percentage than the general public. This stands out more to you though because it's put out in press releases. There are 100 kids on the football team, 4% of them got in trouble and you think that employing some type of change is going to do anything?

avail31678's picture

1) I agree.  I have no doubt Urban cares about running a tight ship and having individuals with character.  But one weekend, 4 incidents, 2 with team LEADERS - possibly captains, possibly All-Americans!  I have no doubt Urban has emphasized the importance of solid behavior.  But, emphasis needs to be reemphasized.  I think they'll take care of it.  I guarantee this morning's team meeting had some words.
2) Nobody (even though the haters will) can deny that Urban has dealt with incidents like this swiftly and a good degree of strictness.  I mean ever since the day he got here (Jamall Berry etc).
3) No, the coaches and can't be expected to watch these kids 24-7.  There is absolutely a large amount of responsibility that must lie on these individuals for their choices. 
 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Rules are not defined by the words of which they are composed, but rather by the consequences which result from ignoring them.

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TheShookster's picture

When I get home I'll tune into ESPN to see how the suspension of Carlos Hyde is going to affect the NY Jets 

YTOWNBUCKI's picture

I heard they were seriously evaluating him to fit the hole that Tebow left.

TWCBUCKEYE's picture

This comment wins the internet. Well played sir.

"Nothing cleanses your soul like getting the [Mark May] kicked out of you."

William's picture

Urban Meyer has lost control of this team. Next thing you know a player is going to murder someone. 

wahoobuck's picture

Can't wait for the talking heads to tear apart Urban for no reason.

This is my house, I have to defend it

Colorado Johnny's picture

For no reason? Are you serious? Conduct is obviously an issue with this team. And as the record shows with Urban Meyer. If you don't see it then your loyalty has you blinded. Down vote all you want, I couldn't care less.

House804's picture

This. +1.  I am happy to have Urban Meyer and discipline in general is an issue with ALL major college football teams, but facts are facts.  It's the same people who claim losing Hyde is not a big deal.

We talkin' bout practice?!  Not the game I love...the game I die for.  Practice?!

bhardy22132's picture

Not even close to being the same people and losing Hyde is not that big of a deal. Another year of work and rod smith has all it takes to step up to the roll of starter. 

Colorado Johnny's picture

Losing Hyde isn't that big of a deal? Please tell me you're joking bhardy. Did you see the end of THE game last year? I'm guessing not. So ya you're right. Not that big of a deal. Nor is the 970 rushing yards. Wow

bhardy22132's picture

That was last year boss. Whole new season with the same kids in their second year of this offense. They are familiar with it. Plus a few new weapons. Not a big deal at all. Don't worry though when your singing the praises this year I will be here waiting. Don't worry chicken little the sky is not falling.

bhardy22132's picture

Basically what your trying to tell me is that players who have been on this team for a few years can't get better Colorado? Ok got it. WOW.

OSUs12-OH's picture

Let's be honest with one another.  First off Hyde was a HUGE part of the offense because he was Braxton's first check down for the read option run.  This is a big deal...for last year.  This year will be entirely different.  
I have to say, apparently you Johnny, haven't been paying attention to recruiting.  Because if you had, you'd be able to see that this isn't as big of a deal say if OSU and Tress lost Mau Clarett during the 2002 season. Or did you not watch that year, bc Lydell Ross sure isn't Rod Smith, Brionte' Dunn, Warren Ball, EzE, oh and Dontre Wilson.  That may be the reason why SO many are saying it's not as big of a deal as it could be if the stables were empty. 

"I want a hungry team. I want a team that can't wait to get out there. I want an angry team! You're the Ohio State Buckeyes. You're an angry football team. You're a hungry football team and I'm proud to be your coach." UFM

OSUs12-OH's picture

No problem bro...I got your back.  Because I'm an actual Buckeye fan like yourself.  This Johnny character I have a feeling still roots for the Buffs lol;-)

"I want a hungry team. I want a team that can't wait to get out there. I want an angry team! You're the Ohio State Buckeyes. You're an angry football team. You're a hungry football team and I'm proud to be your coach." UFM

3GB's picture

17 TDs equals a lot of points to lose from one player

bhardy22132's picture

Everyone seemed to think regardless that hydes production was looking to go down this year anyhow. Smith can run through people and Dunn can do the same. This offense is not broken without Hyde. There seems to be a decent sized overreaction here. 
We were told you were gonna see a lot more passing out of brax this year and I tend to believe the coaching staff. Like I said we have two guys in the stable who have seen this offense before that are more than capable of pulling their weight within a pretty favorable schedule. But most people want to believe that we are gonna see the same inexperienced squad we saw last year.

Colorado Johnny's picture

No one said the offense was broken now whackadoo. At least not me. Good god what is your deal. You're completely asinine if you believe losing Hyde isn't a big deal. Done with you. Moving on...

bhardy22132's picture

Not as big as you seem to make it out to be no. I never said it wasn't a blow, but at the same time we have the capable bodies there to fill the void comfortably. 
Btw I did not DV you. You coming at me with names doesn't bother me it just helps me know that you truly have nothing else for me in this convo. And you are looking at things one way instead of looking at the other experienced backs we have on our team. Not to mention that you obviously have no trust in them what so ever.

OSUs12-OH's picture

I Did, because of this> This ridiculous name calling was why I jumped on you first reply about our stable of RB (bc if you're an actual Buckeye fan, you'd know that).  And I do believe this was what Cajun Buckeye and I were talking about on an earlier thread about why this website is becoming like it was when I left the first time (a bunch of overreacting, name calling trolls are very abundant).  
Please, if you're a Buckeye fan, then have some freaking respect.  Your comments aren't like you're a member of Mensa or anything so I'd stop calling ppl "whackadoo" or whatever the hell that is.  His point is valid, just the same as yours is in a round about way but you're being WAY over the top with it.  Thanks....now I'm moving on and I hope to see you have some respect for your fellow fans...if you are one. 

"I want a hungry team. I want a team that can't wait to get out there. I want an angry team! You're the Ohio State Buckeyes. You're an angry football team. You're a hungry football team and I'm proud to be your coach." UFM

Ethan's picture

Gardner's seems to have the most gray area to me -- what does a reinstatement plan look like? Is there that option? "Obstruction of justice/police matters" is a very vague description, yet that merited the most serious punishment (as of right now). 

William's picture

Obstruction of justice is one of the most bogus fucking charges you can possibly get. You can pretty much get hammered with it for doing anything that an officer deems obstruction. I'd like to hear more about what Gardner did to get hit with obstruction of justice. 

Boomcat's picture

I can live with Tim Gardner being given the boot. But if any of the other players mentioned get the boot then I think everyone will probably go back to "the sky is falling" attitude.

House804's picture

After NSD:  Gardner is a 3* but so was Hawk (LOL!)  In Urban we trust!
Now:  He was just a 3*, its OK to lose Gardner!
It's amazing how people justify EVERYTHING.

We talkin' bout practice?!  Not the game I love...the game I die for.  Practice?!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

You're missing an important part of the inference, though, which is that possibly a series of factors led to Gardner receiving a heavy punishment, and that maybe those factors included Gardner not being fully invested, etc.
I don't know if that's the case, and normally I hate to speculate on such matters, but I also can't resist making points of logic (sorry, it's a bad habit of mine). But anyway - hypothetically - the expected success-rate of a 3-star prospect on N.S.D. is probably higher than a 3-star frosh who is being suspended for a year in July of his first season.   
Now, whether it is appropriate to infer such things about Gardner's dismissal is another matter entirely . . .

FROMTHE18's picture

i dont think it has to do with his star rating or feeling hypocritical... given the positive nature of NSD and the negative nature of these developments, you have to accept the fact that people will be looking at this through a different set of glasses than they wore on NSD...apparently Gardner wasn't getting the message early on already, and wasnt expected to really push for any real PT...I think a big reason he got his offer was because of his work effort and desire, at the time to be a buckeye, not because of his potential for being an impact player. So people wanted to put a positive spin on a prospect that wasnt elite but truly earned his place in the class. Rather than suggest that he earned it due to pity. Again, it has less to do with being hypocritical and more to do with the circumstances surrounding the player have changed. 

BuckeyeSki's picture

My Carlos Hyde isn't suspended. He just graduated to Madden via draft export #NCAA14SilverLinings

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RedStorm45's picture

Great reporting by the Dispatch earlier today.

pcuzz1's picture

So vonn bell rumors, were just that?

pat cozzens

RedStorm45's picture

What was Gardner obstructing?  Pretty vague charge there.

TheBadOwl's picture

Saw something earlier (way before Gardner's departure was reported) that he was "absent from the meeting today, and has been in the doghouse since he arrived" so my guess is that it was a last straw type of thing.
I just don't get it. He didn't have any big offers. He was overweight at camp last year. He wanted the offer, he wanted to be a Buckeye, so he worked his ass off to get here... and then he messes up, presumably more than once, once he gets here.
I understand that going off to college is an adjustment. Hell, it was tough for me and I'm from an hour and a half away. But come on.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

FROMTHE18's picture

being a Buckeye could have gotten to his head. I mean when lots of girls want you, you get treated like a celebrity, it can go to your head pretty fast...in his case, he was gone faster than Mike Mitchell running the 40

TBDBITL0509's picture

Agreed. To be kicked off the team - it had to be more than one thing.

DefendYoungstown's picture

I applaud UFM for handling this in the manner that he has. The HD microscope that tOSU is under brings 1080p clarity and amplifies anything negative that a player does or is involved in. I do feel these actions are all appropriate.  I also think this will have an impact to the season but we're doing the right thing and at the end of the day (I will probably be down voted for this) that's what matters.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

Poison nuts's picture

(I will probably be down voted for this)

I hope not - it's a great post.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Iwearmocs's picture

Yikes.  Hopefully this serves as a wakeup call to the rest of the team.  They need to get their act together before the season starts.

Boomcat's picture

If the almighty Nick Saban were here this debacle wouldn't be happening!

Catch 5's picture

It would, but only because of oversigning, amiright?

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Haybucks's picture

What are the facts in this case?  Nobody has said that knows.  If Carlos struck first, that's 1 scenario, striking 2nd is another and defending hi group is another.  More to come, but right know I have to believe that Hyde's years of team-centered attitude adjustments and desire to have this team accel to championships would keep him reserved.
The victim called the police, which at this time defines her as the victim.  She may be the instigator as well.  Maybe she has a sense of entitlement being the daughter of a Columbus Police Officer. There should be similar instances in her past if this is true.
Unfortunately, the bottom line is the players should not be frequenting bars, especially after midnight.  The heads-up provided by Marcus Baugh's conduct didn't get out team leaders to their posts to unify the team.  That is a big concern to me.  

The time to stop talking is when the other person nods his head affirmatively, but says nothing. - Henry S. Haskins

 

FROMTHE18's picture

I am also curious about the integrity of the female involved in the case. Now, Im not suggesting she isnt a victim or anything like that. Violence towards women is an atrocious act. However, some of this is really sketchy. 

3GB's picture

I keep wondering what evidence, if any, could be presented in this.  Was any of it caught on camera?  If it's a matter of the Victim's word against Hyde's, then it could come down to witnesses which would most likely be the Victim's friends and/or Hyde's friends. 
I also keep thinking back to Adam Griffin's tweets this morning that appeared to be in defense of Hyde, all the while during which it was being reported he was "dismissed" from the team.  It's time to let due process take hold.

BeijingBucks's picture

Yes there is a video... Which doesn't match the chicks story. Shiz about to go down in mrs Green's classroom!

 

 

None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. ~ John Milton

RedStorm45's picture

"I have to believe that Hyde's years of team-centered attitude adjustments and desire to have this team accel to championships would keep him reserved."
 
Well...not really.  Rumors are he essentially took his senior year off, hence his stint at Fork Union.  You'll also recall his tweets during 2011 and alleged run-ins/shouting matches with coaches about playing time.

thatlillefty's picture

@haybucks Who says she's a cop's daughter?

tennbuckeye19's picture

FWIW: The cop's daughter thing has been rumored since the first rumblings about the incident.
This site says the girl is a Westerville cop's daughter.
 

Haybucks's picture

Like Tennbuckeye19 says, many sites rumored with the menofscarletandgray site listed in response and collegespun site being the most reliable.

The time to stop talking is when the other person nods his head affirmatively, but says nothing. - Henry S. Haskins

 

Frankly Scarlet's picture

I think what bothers me the most about all of this is that we have two guys in Hyde and Roby who are indeed old enough to know better.
Even if the investigative process proves their utter innocence, they put themselves in risky situations by being in the wrong places at the wrong time (places where alcohol is flowing into the wee hours).
How about a little forethought and wisdom, balancing the risk against all that you have to personally lose, and how it could affect the other hundred and fifty people whose success depends on yours and your leadership?
 

 
"Buclkle your chinstrap, we're gonna grind meat!" - Woody Hayes  
 

WC Buckeye's picture

I am with you on that, and I would also echo some of the others posters' comments on the difference between my own indiscretions at 20 years old vs. these guys' - I never once thought it would be smart or OK to bum rush a bouncer or hit a woman, even in my worst inebriated states of mind (and there were a few bad ones). These guys probably shouldn't drink if it that badly blurs their lines between right and wrong. They have a lot of people around them telling them how great they are and can do no wrong, sure, but there doesn't seem to be a mentality of either limitations or accountability here.

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

Buckeyeneer's picture

If I were on the team and getting into trouble the headlines would be a little different:

"Drunk OSU Football Player Has Too Many Beers and Passes Out Free Hugs"

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

Buckeyeneer's picture

Or "Drunk OSU Football Player Pukes on Couch and Apologies For Ruining Everyone's Good Time"

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

WC Buckeye's picture

Same here. I would probably just open my wallet and go, "Where's all my money?", after which my roommates would remind me, "man, you were buying drinks left and right".

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

buckeyedude's picture

Doesn't anybody get drunk and go streaking anymore? Geez. Kids these days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20g3QIUnOgY
You're much less likely to get in a fight when your naked.

 

 

cajunbuckeye's picture

Streaked the Pizza Hut in Sidney my senior year. A buddy that worked there, knew we were coming, and locked the door on the opposite side of the restaurant. There were two guys, probably late 30's, eating with their families. When we hit that locked door, those dudes were on their feet, and the bigger one started throwing, as we headed back across the floor. It's hard to slip punches with a tee shirt wrapped around your head. We escaped, but it was "live action'. So you can go streaking and get your ass kicked.

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buckeyedude's picture

I would never advocate streaking in a public restaurant. No shirt, no shoes, no pants, no briefs, no service.

 

 

Crimson's picture

Pics or it didn't happen!

Fugelere's picture

True story. Trust me nobody wants to fight a naked man.

Boomcat's picture

This may be a wee bit off topic here, but I find it interesting how this story unfolded from just a couple tweets from random people, to just a forum thread here on 11W, to now a national story. Heck, early yesterday nobody even had an idea of who the guy targeted was!

Jugdish's picture

I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel sick to my stomach. I will be glad when football starts and this craziness stops.

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Phutatorius's picture

Posted in the other thread, but maybe this is the better place: sending home Gardner opens up a scholarship for this year.  Is Urban looking to bring in Rushel Shell, or has that ship sailed?

tennbuckeye19's picture

The Shell ship is headed to either Kentucky or West Virginia.

salberico's picture

It's too bad Gardner took Johnny Townshend's scholarship on NSD and then wasted it

steensn's picture

No, but maybe we can take both JUCO OL?

ih8rolltyde's picture

Wish the best to our guys, that they use these lessons while they still can.

Go Bucks.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

As many have stated already, the female victim in this deserves her justice so please always keep that in mind. We dont know the full story. If it was a misunderstanding Hyde will be back by the B1G opener. If a crime was committed and he hurt that girl with malice, we don't want him back.
Am I the only one who read that Roby report as security at that bar mightve trumped up the charges against him? The security guard got (paraphrased) "bumped in the chest and felt pain?" That sounds like a flop to me. Like what Rodney Dangerfield did in Caddyshack by faking the injury so he didnt have to keep playing golf, "Oh, my arm, it's broken!" That might be what saved Roby from a longer suspension. Remember he was in Indiana not Ohio.
They're young men and they'll all learn their lessons. We can only hope so anyway.
TTUN still sucks.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

Bucksfan's picture

Can there please be just one year when this kind of motherfucking bullshit doesn't happen?!

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

the biggest news this offseason should have been your icon change for CHRIST'S SAKE

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Hovenaut's picture

Sounds like something to strive for in 2014, and I'm absolutely not kidding.

Baroclinicity's picture

You may have to change your icon again. This one is now tainted.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

harleymanjax's picture

I blame all the icon changing goin on around here! We never had these problems back in the day when you chose an icon and stuck with it!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

Knarcisi's picture

LMFAO.  Seriously.

Ahh Saturday's picture

My biggest concern when Simon and Boren left the team wasn't replacing a DE and a MLB, it was replacing their leadership off the field.  A coach cannot simply windsprint a team into a cohesive unit, part of that effort must come from within the team.  Now is the moment for the leaders of this squad to emerge and give the 2013 Buckeyes their own identity and a unified sense of purpose.  If that leadership does arise, we will see the Buckeye team we've all been looking forward to seeing, a team that will be in the National Championship race regardless of a shuffling in personnel.  On the other hand, if we have only a vacuum at the heart of this team, a team that believes they can swagger their way to glory rather than earn it through discipline and hard work, we will find out soon.

FROMTHE18's picture

I think Simon and Boren need to come back and kick the crap out of this team. Or at least light a fire. Enough of this offseason crap

zbd's picture

3 words:  Stupid, Stupid, Stupid

thatlillefty's picture

This better be a wake up call for the rest of the team.

BassDropper's picture

This could be the game changer and potentially clear Hydes name
 
 

 
"A source told ESPN's Brett McMurphy that there is surveillance video of the incident that's contrary to what is being reported."

DIRECTIONER

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Is that a good thing?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

BassDropper's picture

It certainly sounds like it. 
 

DIRECTIONER

bhardy22132's picture

Cameras can be your best friend or your worst enemy. In this instance it would be awesome if it worked in favor for Hyde.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

And it would make a lot of people look silly for jumping to conclusions.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

FROMTHE18's picture

I think given the information that has been shared, the conclusions havent been that outrageous. 

TheHostileDwarf's picture

I think given the information that has been shared, the conclusions havent been that outrageous.

...which is why everyone should wait for vetted information rather than reports. Too many people can't wait to share their [often uninformed or misinformed] opinions, particularly on the internet. Whoa, boy, especially on the internet. We should all know better by now but time and again the jump to conclusions mats make their premature appearance, which is why they're so damn well worn out.
I hope he didn't, but if Hyde assaulted a woman, being off the football team should be the least of his problems, but we've not gotten that far yet. He hasn't even been charged. At this point, we literally know next to nothing. For now, she's not even a "victim." She's not a victim unless and until he's convicted; for now, she's a complainant. The video could be great for Hyde, awful for him, or somewhere in-between. It's just tiring that every fucking time someone is alleged to have done something so many sanctimonious know-it-alls come out of the woodwork. Just let shit play out before crucifying the accused.

Colorado Johnny's picture

And he's back on the Hyde bandwagon, folks!

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Who?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

bhardy22132's picture

Haha first off boss I have never slammed Hyde ever. I just said its not as big of a loss as some make it seem with the depth we have at the position. You are the one acting like I said something that was bashing him. I am a supporter of Hyde and I hope that this video shows Hyde didn't do it but if he did and he is off the team I fail to think that we are done for at the rb spot. But if you want to continue to battle me and paint this imaginary picture of me I gladly will continue to battle you on this. 
You are the one claiming the sky is falling not me. You can look at my posts on Hyde and see that I have been a huge supporter of him if you wish. I'm sure you won't because you would rather try to bash me for my opinion which is fine but there are others on here who may have seen the support I have had for this dude.

OSUs12-OH's picture

Stay classy Bhardy...stay classy you watchamacallit ;-)

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Colorado Johnny's picture

Riiiight. Sweet backpedal ya got there

bhardy22132's picture

Right. Show me where I back pedaled please I would love to see it bc I fail to see me stating that other experienced backs can fill the void as bashing someone.

German Buckeye's picture

Alright children, straight to your rooms!

tae1986's picture

Thank you!! Hope this is true... really needed some good news today..

Remind yourself, Nobody built like you, You designed yourself.

Buckeyeneer's picture

Not sure what to think.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

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clogan1032's picture

Was hoping for this to be the case but I didn't believe it. Hopefully this turn out well

FROMTHE18's picture

be interesting to know how McMurphy got that info

BassDropper's picture

DIRECTIONER

captain obvious's picture

Elbows are usually accidental unless you are Anderson Silva

I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me

Crimson's picture

Victim stated on listed date and time at the listed location she was assaulted by the described suspect. Victim stated she does not know the suspect but stated she could identify him.

This doesn't have an elbow in it.

captain obvious's picture

The victim stated that on the listed date and time at the listed location that the listed Suspect struck her in the face with his elbow. The Victim stated that her nose began to bleed and she fell to the ground which caused her to twist her ankle. The Victim stated that she advised the bar staff of the incident but they did nothing to help her.

But this original report did

I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me

captain obvious's picture

here is the original welcome to the party Johnny come lately

. ATXbucknut on 22 Jul 2013 - 12:11am #
So here is a description of the incident from a police report purportedly involving Hyde:

The victim stated that on the listed date and time at the listed location that the listed Suspect struck her in the face with his elbow. The Victim stated that her nose began to bleed and she fell to the ground which caused her to twist her ankle. The Victim stated that she advised the bar staff of the incident but they did nothing to help her.
Incident location was the O Patio & Pub. Some internet rumor mongers say the alleged victim's father is a cop.  My impression is that he is a lawyer, but not a criminal lawyer (FWIW).
We'll likely know more tomorrow.
 
 

I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me

BME_Buckeye's picture

You can lead a camel to a pool of water but you can't force him to drink. 

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

RedStorm45's picture

O patio isn't sugar...so that report doesn't apply to Hyde...for like the 15th time.

BME_Buckeye's picture

Captain Oblivious Obvious obviously doesn't get it...

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

captain obvious's picture

I guess it was wishful thinking
Thanks for clearing it up and I deserve the shot
 
GO BUCKS

I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Yeah I remember that rumor from earlier!  Didn't think much of it until now.  Maybe it was accidental.  Hey, I really hope Hyde is innocent here.  He has really grown on me as a player over the last year, and I'd hate to see him or any Buckeye be someone who would do something like that.

Class of 2010.

BuckNut51's picture

This makes me a little better about the situation. 

corveyer's picture

This has to be a good thing given the context in which it came out. I mentioned last night in the wild speculation thread that I thought it was a good sign we didn't have anything tangible at that point, because if Hyde or any other male for that matter just punched a girl in the face a crowded bar intentionally they would have been arrested or picked up and booked as soon as they were identified. I am not saying he is off scott free or wasn't involved in something he shouldn't have been, but given the lack of charges I was always dubious that this was a case of Hyde cold cocking a girl for allegedly not dancing with him. Again, we have to wait and see what come out but I always guessed the contact with the girl was either incidental or accidental. Also of note, Hyde is scheduled to talk to CPD "misdemeanor" detectives tomorrow, yet another thing that seems to point to this not being as bad as first speculated about. Lastly, fact he wasn't kicked off is also indicative to that end, I think had he been officially charged we would have seen a dismissal like Storm Klein got last year when he was charged for domestic violence.

FROMTHE18's picture

the video will also help squash any speculations/suspicions that are left after the process plays out as well. I know with Klein, many (including myself) were skeptical that he didn't actually do it. Having video evidence of any kind will help prevent Hyde's reputation from being further damaged by any subsequent accusations, if he is cleared and if those accusations do in fact occur. 

Chief B1G Dump's picture

That was my first thought. It would be amazing if the video clears Hyde, leaves no doubt for the haters and simultaneously allows us to point more fingers at irresponsible media.
I am hoping the video reveals a soccer style dive. Where Hyde is just dancing and minding his own business. He goes to bust a move and cuts a big fart...the girl recognizes him and 30 seconds later flails to the ground like hurricane Katrina smacked her down.
Not to make light of it all...but I hope the woman hitting is not true.

BuckNut51's picture

This makes me feel better about the situation.
edit:sorry for the double post iPad got the better of me

darbnurb's picture

Many people offered opinions about what should be done to a certain player "if" implications of a certain rumor were true.  Is it now appropriate to offer opinions about should be done "if" a this rumor is true?  
 

bigbadbuck's picture

All these players better wake the eff up and start to realize its not guaranteed if you don't act like the men we all think you are........

droessl's picture

However this turns out, I like the fact that discipline is being handed out swiftly and, IMO, fairly.  

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

If he(Hyde) didn't do what he was accused of, i'd hardly call this fair.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Bucks13's picture

Im not sure how to take your commment. Do you mean treatment by the media and fans? If so, that is an unfortunate consequence of the society we live in today. If you mean in the punishment determined by Urban, then I must disagree. In a legal matter such as this one which involves alleged assault (not sure if misdemeanor or felony) he was right to suspend indefinitely until more facts come to light. It seems like more evidence will be surfacing soon, so all we can do is hope for the best and that Hyde has been wrongfully accused.

BamBamBuck's picture

Well said 13!!!

BamBamBuck

rdubs's picture

agreed this isn't the judicial system.  So I like this punishment, see how it plays out and let him back (like Klein) if it turns out that he is cleared.

tampa buckeye's picture

Yes sir. Bottom line is the focus needs to get back to football. Get your ass out the bars.

unholy bucknut's picture

Say it isn't so. Just when the season is about to begin too. Man I wish these kids had enough sense to walk away. It's not worth it say Hyde is out for a few games maybe all of them god forbid. What does this do to his draft stock. This stupid incident could possibly cost him millions Roby too. What a shame a momentary lapse of judgment at this stage of the game can do to these young men.

salberico's picture

Thank you Ryan Braun...

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

And Von Miller.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Volfen111's picture

hope carlos comes back and the other buckeyes know we have a mission to get done..
hope they realize...

i know only one thing thats certain..the power of human will
- joseph stalin

pjtobin's picture

That could be great news if it is true. I hate to see any person lose their cool and do something they will regret later. I feel bad for all involved in these situations. I wish this stuff never happened anywhere. 

Bury me in my away jersey, with my buckeye blanket. A diehard who died young. Rip dad. 

TWCBUCKEYE's picture

Very poor decision to be in that situation, worse choice in bar.

"Nothing cleanses your soul like getting the [Mark May] kicked out of you."

Dougger's picture

Now are you saying that because you think O patio is a crappy bar?..
In all seriousness, I just find it hard to believe from how nice he was when I met him at student appreciation day two years ago and what he usually tweeted about (having opportunities to make his dreams come true, blessed, etc) that he struck a woman on purpose - waiting until the facts reveal themselves though.

I like football

Crimson's picture

I believe it's Sugar2, not O Patio.

OSUs12-OH's picture

I'm liking what I hearing about the surveillance video.  It sure will help the ppl who have lost their cookies over him getting in trouble.  I would love to have Hyde back in the fold.  However I have confidence in the others waiting behind him.

"I want a hungry team. I want a team that can't wait to get out there. I want an angry team! You're the Ohio State Buckeyes. You're an angry football team. You're a hungry football team and I'm proud to be your coach." UFM

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

Wow, just a bunch of craziness.  Well, obviously we've got to see where this goes.  Hopefully it turns out okay, but the young men do need to be held accountable, while also being treated fairly.  Okay, let's see what happens.  Definitely bummed. 

buckeyedude's picture

The problem with "waiting until the investigation is done" is that the season could already be over for Roby and El Guapo.
 

 

 

Knarcisi's picture

The NCAA's not in charge

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I hope the video clearing Carlos exists because I have a GREAT deal of crow to push down some people's throats!!!

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AWalk3r1's picture

Believe None of what you hear, and half of what you see.  These guys are Buckeyes. I will Hand them the benefit of the doubt.  And if they did wrong, they will pay the price. But buckeye football will go on....and i will cheer just as loud.  regardless

2002osubuck's picture

+1 for rational thinking. If Hyde did just hit some girl in the face for not dancing with him he would be in jail or at least charged right now. If in fact, he did do that, he should without a doubt be off the team immediately, but that's if he did do that. And for roby, I've been to Bloomington and had several times where people started shit with me at bars bc I was wearing OSU gear. I wouldn't be surprised if the bouncers and original instigators were aggressive towards roby and being in "power" the bouncers influenced him being arrested. If you've ever worked at a bar you know that the police almost always side with bouncers when dealing with incidents with patrons. So I'll wait to see what time reveals before I start to go crazy like social media.

buckeyedude's picture

I'll ask this again: WTF was Roby doing in Bloomington, Who's Your Land? Obviously it wasn't a family reunion.

 

 

cal3713's picture

I remember when tat/tressel-gate happened various bits of information would come out and I would think, ok, it's not that bad, then it would get worse.  At this point I've decided it's best to just turn off and wait a week... helps me miss all the national media bullshit too.

otrain2416's picture

Look at the video if Hyde maliciously hurt that girl ( which it sounds like he didn't) give him the boot if that girl cried wolf theres no reason charges shouldn't be pressed against her for lying

smartfootballrankings's picture

If it's a false accusation, they should let him do to her what she accused him of.

OSUStu's picture

If you are going to post on this site, don't ever advocate violence against women regardless of the situation.  Otherwise, you might as well change your name to dumbassfootballrankings and we will gladly rank you #1.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

BROSEPH's picture

How about: Let's not advocate violence against anyone. 

OSUStu's picture

Maybe I am reading too much into your post, but I wasn't advocating violence against anyone.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

BROSEPH's picture

No, I know weren't.  I just have been seeing a bunch of stuff on here emphasizing the fact that the victim is a woman as a basis for why he should be kick off.  I don't care if an assault victim is a man, woman, child, or Andre the Giant, I want the guilty party out.  I respect Meyer's attitude towards treatment of women, it's a way for the staff to groom these boys into men.  But at the same time, I feel that some would be approaching this situation with less concern if it was just a man punching an unsuspecting man. 

OSUStu's picture

Your point is well taken Broseph.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

Crimson's picture

Yeah, I don't think it works that way.

harleymanjax's picture

What we all have to remember here is that as high profile athletes, there will always be people out there looking to get famous by making things up about them. So let's wait till the investigation is complete before we condemn Hyde! This is 'MERICA and you are innocent until proven guilty!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

2002osubuck's picture

Not to mention, I heard the accidental elbow and that the staff at the bar not reacting to the girl story last night, as well as all the others. Also, that she fell and sprained her ankle so maybe she needed medical attention and required a police report for insurance purposes and he was stated bc of the accident. Seems strange with all the witnesses he wasn't takin to jail or even charged. Hopefully as time goes by get some correct answers. I mean it was reported he was dismissed, and that was wrong, he's suspended big difference especially considering the accusation. Klein was dismissed immediately after being charged by police and we know how that turned out.

bhardy22132's picture

I think that one happened at a different bar.

Urban Nation Army's picture

that was not the correct police report

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

Crimson's picture

Is anyone else wondering if it's time they had a 'freshman symposium' like they do for the NFL?  "People at bars want to get you into trouble.  This is what happened to me while I was at OSU . . . And don't let this happen to you."

cal3713's picture

I'm pretty confident that this already happens.  

Stinson's picture

I keep hearing things like this more and more.

I have a feeling Carlos hasn't played his last down in the scarlet and gray [knocks on wood]. 

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

BuckeyesMJ's picture

Roby gets arrested in Bloomington so Crean decides to cut down the nets!

brobbins's picture

Since Gardner is gone does that give us another scholarship?

All I do is win

BigBuck623's picture

Both of these children just lost over one million dollars.
For half that, you can hit me as hard as you want and I'll walk away laughing.

Urban Nation Army's picture

They may or may not act like it, depending on what's true, but both are at least 21 so I wouldn't call them children.

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

buckeyedude's picture

NOT SO FAST, MY FRIEND.
 

 

 

Phutatorius's picture

Interesting that ESPN writers are blunting this story's momentum, at least for the time being.  Reason #112 Why Urban Is a Genius: actively cultivating a relationship with the Worldwide Leader.

ScarletGray43157's picture

Players need to know that they will be held accountable for breaking rules.  Discipline needs to be swift and sure.  Rules need to be enforced no matter the status of the player.  
Period. 
 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

darbnurb's picture

Meyer has no chance to win in this case.  If the punishment is viewed as too lenient, then he it will be the same song as before with him being an enabler.  If the punishment is appropriate or too harsh, then he will still be criticized for only doing it because he is facing pressure from the media.  

CowCat's picture

^This times infinity.
Why is it that arrogant half-rates like Bobby Petrino are given a "second chance", while great coaches like UFM are demonized?    Why does Nick Saban get kid gloves after being a coaching gypsy when Urban simply returned home?
The media love to point out the number of arrests; they don't point out the academic progress rate.   They don't point out the job fairs and the organized way Urban Meyer tries to help all of his players succeed in life.
The truth is that everyone hates a winner that isn't your team's winner.    I just hope our coach isn't driven back to retirement by this nonsense.
</rant off>

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

darbnurb's picture

Just got insider info from Fly on the Wall to what Meyer told the team on Monday.
Meyer:  I said angry, NOT stupid.  Now get back to work.  

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

Ahhh fat fingers. My bad. This was funny though

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

vitaminB's picture

If you believe the story as told in "Men of Scarlet and Grey" then Hyde has to go to the house.  There is no room for that. 
From a football standpoint, I am not all that upset.  I would like to see Rod Smith get more carries anyway.  Hyde is a good runner, he's not a game changer. 

elmird's picture

I'm really surprised about the situations for Gardner and Baugh. Gardner worked hard to get his scholarship offer and to throw it away like that seems absurd. Baugh has always seemed well spoken and this could just be a case of him making a simple mistake. As far as Roby goes, I'm not sure what to make of his situation because of the fact that it occurred in Bloomington. I can't imagine that there were many fans of his at the bar and this could have led to an overblown situation. 
I honestly can't say I am surprised with what occurred with Hyde. As mentioned above he definitely had issues with his senior year of high school (why he had to go to Fork Union) and the shouting matches with coaches over playing time are both huge red flags. There have been those above who have expressed his well spoken manner. However, there are plenty of people on campus, I included, who have seen Carlos cause trouble at bars, especially with those of the opposite sex. Take that for what its worth, but I would not be surprised if the allegations are true, even if I sincerely hope they are not.  Go bucks