Ohio State Commits Wearing "2014 Bucks" Shirts to The Opening

July 1, 2013 at 1:19p    by Vico    
81 Comments
GRAND OPENING

Ohio State recruits were observed wearing these class t-shirts, if you will, to The pening combine in Beaverton, Oregon.

Lookin' good, fellas.

Source: @SBNRecruiting

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NYCBuckeye's picture

You have to love the cohesion and pride this class has been showing over the past few months. Excited to see them recruit and welcome in the next wave of commitments!

Silverbuck8's picture

Shirts look great, lets work on the shoes and socks.   Great to see these guys building chemistry and spreading the word.

rdubs's picture

I think the other apparel is S.W.A.G. from the camp so they don't have much say in the color of that stuff.

MN Buckeye's picture

Yessss!  Rocking the block 'O' for the Opening.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Gotta love how the M*chigan players that are hating on it.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Dougger's picture

Especially because the ones that are complaining are sittin at home!!
edit: obviously this has already been mentioned by posters below. 
go bucks. Love the swagger

I like football

Codeezy's picture

I'd bring a couple extra for Raekwon and the gang. Kinda like posey putting a leaf sticker on pryors helmet in the army all American game. Be like, "here you go..."

rampageripster's picture

that may be a violation....

Cause I couldn't go for three

osu07asu10's picture

You mean recruits hanging out and recruiting other recruits? I doubt that tOSU paid for and provided the 2014 shirts to the recruits.
Until the recruits sign an NLOI, they are only verbally committed to the school and are in no way, shape, or form considered a part of the university at this point.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

tampa buckeye's picture

You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!

Posterchild's picture

I love this class. It may not have the "star power" (yet) that some envisioned. Regardless, these guys are really talented and seem fully committed to making this class into something really, really special. I can't imagine a let down (character issues) from any of these guys, they all seem to have their head on straight. I am really excited to see this class suit up in S&G for 4 years.

Hovenaut's picture

Unity from the get go.

That.Is.Awesome.

Hate Week runneth over

Chief B1G Dump's picture

In the words of the great Queen Latifah:
U-N-I-T-Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
 
Straight dope.  Dig it.

216ToThe614's picture

In the words of Major Payne:

Unity Turds! That is the key word in Unit! Without the Y!

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

dubjayfootball90's picture

Now that is some swag if I ever saw some. I love this class so far. Who would not want to be part of this, man? These commits get it.

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

osubuck57's picture

Welcome to "The Chase" young Bucs!! 2014 DREAM TEAM!!

SCOTTC.

Grayskullsession's picture

Wow, all the scUM recruits are shit talking the tOSU recruits on Twitter over the shirts.
TSUN 2013 Twitter Shit Talking Champions!!!

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I loved JJ's response.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

tennbuckeye19's picture

It was pretty funny that whoever uses that SBN twitter handle asked to be taken out of the UM-OSU debate.

Jdadams01's picture

Post some? At work and can't go to twitter...

DMcDougal24's picture
Jdadams01's picture

Nothing like the ability to call scoreboard.

Danify's picture

I would tell him ... talk to me once you know you will get on the field Mr. 77 Rating.

captain obvious's picture

Classic response JJ

I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me

GoBucksToledo's picture

I guess they have to do it on Twitter because there are so few of them actually at The Opening!

buckeyedude's picture

What are those chumps saying? Is there a link? Anybody? Don't make me go to mgoblow.

 

 

Hovenaut's picture

Does it matter Dude?

It's all butthurt anyway.

Let 'em talk the talk (or Tweet the Tweets), our boys can respond en masse come November.

Hate Week runneth over

Unky Buck's picture

This might be the closest recruiting class I have ever seen and I've been following recruiting since 2001 (2002 class). How can you not love it?

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E2Brutus's picture

First, this is great. Gotta love these kids and their commitment to this class and OSU.
Second, why does it seem more and more common that when someone or a group of people do something for themselves that they are proud of that some other internet d*ck feels like that's his time to really step up and be an even bigger d*ck. Glad our guys aren't participating in this negative isht.

Doc's picture

So freaking sweet.  These guys get it.

"Say my name."

hail2victors9's picture

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!

~Bo Schembechler

Buck4Life's picture

I don't see how making t-shirts to wear at the top, most selective camp in the country is copying? They are obviously trying to make a statement because they have by far the most commits at the event.
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure Michigan commits designed shirts just because they thought it'd be cool. Right? It's also pretty rewarding to see the Michigan recruits talking smack on twitter....at home...whereas most of OSU's recruits are busy working on their craft at The Opening :)

hail2victors9's picture

I'm not making any judgment on whether one team is copying the other...who really cares?  I referenced the other thread because the reverse argument was "made" by Trout and Webb two months ago and to point out 11W reactions to said comments.  If creating a twitter handle that is barely used is "copying" the 2014 Bucks website, then it's fair for the Michigan recruits to present a similar case for the Team 135 shirts vs the OSU opening shirts.
I can't speak for Ferns, but I believe the shirts were to be used as a recruiting tool, not just "to be cool."  He wanted uncommitted recruits to take notice of the class Michigan put together, to build unity, and promote his soon-to-be university to fans and players, alike.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!

~Bo Schembechler

trigg03's picture

I think the point is that ttun's kids are all talkin junk while they are not even at this event.  To be fair - anyone who has a T-Shirt printed up over the past 60+ years is only "copying" someone else's idea.  It is not a new invention.  ttun can use whatever means possible to assist in their recruiting process - the fact remains that tOSU owns you & until the scoreboard says otherwise they should all just shut-up because all it does is prove their envy of the Buckeye's.  

buckeye92's picture

I'm with you here Hail.  I think the t-shirt idea by TTUN was a great idea.  I think the website the Buckeye recruits set up was great as well.  From an objective standpoint it is really nice to see tOSU and TTUN recruits pushing their programs.  I don't see the point in debating who's copying who-let's admit it...these are some great ideas these recruits are coming up with....  
I imagine these ideas will catch on at other programs and before you know it, most big schools will have similar shirts etc on display at the camps.

BME_Buckeye's picture

I'm not making any judgment on whether one team is copying the other...who really cares?  I referenced the other thread because the reverse argument was "made" by Trout and Webb two months ago and to point out 11W reactions to said comments.If creating a twitter handle that is barely used is "copying" the 2014 Bucks website, then it's fair for the Michigan recruits to present a similar case for the Team 135 shirts vs the OSU opening shirts.

Hail, give it a rest man. Its just a T-shirt. No need to hold a thread against people or create a reverse argument. To each his own shirt and to each his site/media use. Move on, nothing to see here as its just a T-shirt! 
Note: I did not downvote you. 

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

hail2victors9's picture

Note:  I don't care if you did downvote me.  It should be clear that my posts in this thread were not to get helmet stickers.  Honestly, the only time I care if I'm upvoted is if I think I wrote something funny.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!

~Bo Schembechler

Scott's picture

Shouldn't be too confusing. Ohio State invented creating websites, which had never been done by anyone for literally any reason before. They may have possibly also created the internet. Michigan copyrighted wearing t-shirts. I'll see you in court.

Class of 2008

2002osubuck's picture

The shirts have nothing to do with scums shirts. It's because of the "2014 bucks" website setup by the Webb family. It's a continuation of that site, which actually started the idea for the scum 135 shirts to begin with so who's copying who. The webb family, mrs. Webb in particular, started the website that has a much larger scope than just a t-shirt, it just so happens we can expand that message from online to on the field with, guess what, a t-shirt or any form of cohesiveness possible. Just shows how tight these guys are and how jealous scum is because they envy our swagger and know we are the "A" standard right now. Im sure there are several typical arguments scum fans will make but actions speak louder than words. Seeing how many commits we have at the opening vs what scums players are ranked and how many they have attending this event, makes me happy we have really good coaches that evaluate in person. This class truly has  the "it" factor gonna be an amazing finish. With the last 3 classes Meyers brought in, we'll have some of the best players in the country for the next 5 years without adding another commit. Always nice to be a buckeye but the best it yet to come. Go "2014 bucks" kick ass at the opening.

hail2victors9's picture

It's because of the "2014 bucks" website setup by the Webb family. It's a continuation of that site, which actually started the idea for the scum 135 shirts to begin with so who's copying who.

Might want to confirm those dates, '02.
Again, I'm trying to share my peace without coming across too trolly.  Both groups are doing their part on hyping their class and building unity; not a thing wrong with that.  A little friendly trash talk and piss contest is nothing short of what is to be expected by HS athletes whom are about to become heated rivals.  It's a lot better than any of them doing anything immoral or illegal.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!

~Bo Schembechler

2002osubuck's picture

Your one of the few scum fans that I respect your opinion, you seem rational, but the point is the 2014 website, started by Damon webbs mother, made the whole thing a big deal. Maybe the 135 shirts were before but until that 2014 bucks site went up hadn't heard anything of the sort. I'm just excited for our class and their bond as I'm sure you are for yours. Hail u seem rational , quick ? for you. Do you feel that brady hoke is the same level coach as urban Meyer right now?

BlueBayou's picture

Just a couple points.
1) just because you hadn't heard about Project 135 doesn't mean it wasn't noticed by others (Ferns T-Shirt Idea). There were articles about it on ESPN, SI, and it even was on here and openly mocked by most with a few actually stating it was a cool idea.
2) Out of the Webb family's own mouth, they have pointed to Shane Morris as their inspiration for the website.  Damon saw how effective Shane Morris was using Social Media to recruit and wanted to do something like that.  Mrs. Webb suggested setting up a website because that is what she teaches as a professor at the University of Detroit.
3) Kyle Trout and Damon Webb accused Michigan recruits of copying them because they got around to noticing that there was a 2014 Michigan recruiting class Twitter account.  Never mind that this account existed for 7 months before either of them committed to tOSU.  You can't copy if you had it first.
4) You can only get an invite to The Opening if you participate in one of their sanctioned camps (NFTC).  I know that Peppers didn't get an invite because of this, so the question would be, how many other Michigan prospects chose not to?  I could be wrong, but I don't think anybody on here considers Peppers lack of invite to be an indictment of him as a prospect.
5) A sleeper recruit going to The Opening can only be validation of a coach's eye for talent if the prospect was offered before he got his invite to The Opening.  Mclaurin and Collier both had their invites prior to receiving their tOSU offers.  I love the pickups, they seem like great kids and prospects, but those invites helped raise their profiles.
The first three items are facts that are easily researched.  I would provide links, but I am on my IPhone.  You should be able to find links in the thread Hail provided a link to.  Point four is fact with some opinion.  Point five is my opinion.
So, based on the above, I think Hail is saying this situation is a bit ironic because Michigan recruits were the first to do the class shirt thing, were mocked on here about it, tOSU recruits mocked Michigan recruits for copying them on a twitter handle when in fact they didn't, and now tOSU recruits are sporting class shirts that could be construed as copying the Michigan recruit idea, and the unspoken 2014 class leader has publicly pointed to the 2013 Michigan class leader as his inspiration.  Now people on here are celebrating these tOSU class shirts like the idea never existed before and are ridiculing Michigan recruits for doing the same thing they celebrated their kids for wrongly doing. Can you not see the humor in this situation?
With the above said, this is in no way an indictment of anybody.  It is just the normal irrational world of fandom we live in.  I also am not trying to take anything away from this class Urban is putting together.  They are a special group that all of you should continue to enjoy.  I think this class is shaping up to do good things at tOSU and produce a number of good team leaders.

Urban Nation Army's picture

You need to reconsider what you think is "a couple points"

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

SonOfBuckeye's picture

What possesses someone to write a 500 word, numbered paragraph essay on the significance of tshirt/hashtag chronology?

Oyster's picture

Someone who needs to get a life?

BlueBayou's picture

Haha, thanks for the constructive criticism guys.  I could write a 300 word essay on how one could get a life, but I've already gone over my 500 word/day limit.  I hear once I get to Premium member status that limit goes up to 600 words. I can't wait!

303 Buckeye's picture

Man sometimes when you get into a subject and you're typing quickly you have 500 words on the screen before you know it.  I know that when I'm talking the Buckeyes/college football in any way I love saying as much as I can and taking in an equal amount of information.  So trust me, you're not the first to write a manifesto on 11w and definitely not the last.  If I could vote I never would have downvoted you for that.

hail2victors9's picture

+1 Bayou...content and the effort to write that gem on your phone.
Oyster, I downvoted you for throwing rocks in a glass house.  We all spend too much time on here. 
 

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!

~Bo Schembechler

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Oyster, I downvoted you for throwing rocks in a glass house.  We all spend too much time on here. 

You take that back.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Oyster's picture

My response was to a ttun fan who wrote a tome on an OSU site.  Now, if that is not an example of a person needing a life, I don't know what is.  Had his post been on Mlive or MGo etc, it would make perfect sense. 

BlueBayou's picture

Oyster, I'm just curious, you have now personally attacked me multiple times in a short period of time.  Did I offend you or are you just going after the easy bash the Michigan guy upvotes?

Oyster's picture

I was responding to a question posed by another poster if you are referring to my needs to get a life comment.  If that is what you categorize as a personal attack, I sincerely apologize and I will try my best to not upset you in the future.  Can you provide links to the other examples you cited so I will know what is off limits?
Thanks  

BlueBayou's picture

Yes, I am responding to your needs to get a life comment, which you had this to say about it to Hail above.

My response was to a ttun fan who wrote a tome on an OSU site.  Now, if that is not an example of a person needing a life, I don't know what is.

Funny how you are now being coy about it when before you were not.  Is it an offensive statement, yes.  Is it pointedly directed at me, yes.  Have you done it before, yes.  Could I come up with more examples, probably.  Do I care to, no.  Am I personally offended, no.  I just thought I would call out an opportunist going after cheap upvotes.  You can correct me if I'm wrong.  If it was not your intention to go after upvotes, I'm sorry and then I guess I should have been offended, so just in case, apology accepted.

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

4) You can only get an invite to The Opening if you participate in one of their sanctioned camps (NFTC).  I know that Peppers didn't get an invite because of this, so the question would be, how many other Michigan prospects chose not to?  I could be wrong, but I don't think anybody on here considers Peppers lack of invite to be an indictment of him as a prospect.

Wait?!?  Are you suggesting that all of the tsun players that were "invited" turned it down?  Why would any ELITE college-bound football player turn down an opportunity to complete against the best high school athletes in the country?  That's a pretty stupid question, rhetorical or not.  Please elaborate as to why one would choose to turn down that opportunity IF they were invited.  Rationale would suggest that they were NOT invited.  As a lot of other ELITE athletes were not.  It's OK.  It does not take away from Michigan's great class if they were not invited. 
Maybe it's a Phil Knight conspiracy against tsun....
Also, if they weren't interested in going, why were they so concerned about what the tOSU recruits were wearing at the event then?  Why were they even paying attention to it?  Seems a bit odd... 

Adolphus Washington is half grizzly bear and half dragon | Noah Spence kills quarterbacks, just to watch them die.

BlueBayou's picture

Are you suggesting that all of the tsun players that were "invited" turned it down?
Maybe it's a Phil Knight conspiracy against tsun

Uh, No, I am not saying that and I did not bring up a conspiracy.  Please do not put words in my mouth because that is not what I said.
I do want to thank you for the question though instead of hurling useless insults.  I will explain what I meant.
In order to get invited to The Opening, a player has to participate in one of the Nike camps.  NFTC, NFSC.  You don't get an invite unless you participate in one of these events.  This is why Hand was in Columbus when he visited tOSU recently.  He was attending the Columbus NFTC to get an invite to The Opening.  Had he not participated, he would not have been invited.  Peppers did not go to any of the Nike camps, hence, no invite to The Opening.  I believe Brian Mone also did not attend a Nike camp, so he also could not get an invite.  No conspiracy, just how the invite process works.  You can't get one unless you go to a Nike camp.  Now, Wilton Speight did try to get an invite to the Elite 11 and I believe Mo Ways also camped and neither got invited.  I can't speak for anyone else.  So no, I am no saying all the Michigan recruits turned down an invite, but one of them did.  Drake Harris turned down his invite because he is taking summer school in order to graduate early so he can get early admission to Michigan in January.  In my opinion, this is a great reason to skip a camp versus other elite prospects.  If you are committed, these camps don't necessarily matter to a prospect if he doesn't care about his star profile.  Harris doesn't care about how many stars he has, but what he does care about is getting to school early to get an early start and leg up on his college career.

Also, if they weren't interested in going, why were they so concerned about what the tOSU recruits were wearing at the event then?  Why were they even paying attention to it?

I don't know, why do teenagers do the things they do?  Kyle Trout and Damon Webb were fascinated in the Michigan Twitter when they found out it existed.  It must be the teen thing to do.

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

The Phil Knight thing was a bad attempt at humor BTW.  Did not mean to suggest that you were stating the possibility of a conspiracy.  My bad Bro Schembechler....And good for Drake Harris.  Wise move for the young man. 

Adolphus Washington is half grizzly bear and half dragon | Noah Spence kills quarterbacks, just to watch them die.

BlueBayou's picture

No problem Mafia, now that I know your sense of humor, I will know what to look for in the future.  i appreciated your comments and the good discussion.  Have a good 4th.

hail2victors9's picture

@2002
No, I don't think Hoke is at the same level as Urban, right now.  Does anyone?  I think you have Saban and Meyer at the top, and then a lot of proven guys like Stoops, Miles, Brown, Spurrier (kind of), and then a lot of potentially great coaches like Hoke, Kelly, Muschamp, Sumlin, Shaw, Strong, etc.  In other words, I think Urban is tier 1 and Hoke is tier 3, today.
Now, if your intent was to find out if I think that Hoke can beat Urban, then my answer is absolutely.  It may not be 50/50, but I doubt Hoke is intimidated. 
I think Urban Meyer can can sell a player on "Urban Meyer."  Hoke cannot, but he knows how to use the tools that he has.  Does Mattison make Hoke a better coach?  Absolutely.  Would Hoke fail at the helm if not for Mattison?  Not in my book.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!

~Bo Schembechler

2002osubuck's picture

Glad to see you answered with some logic. You should absolutely think your coach can win but I have to disagree, mattison has been critical to what scum has done. Meyer himself said mattison was the best recruiter and coaches he had on staff at Florida. Don't think hoke would have nearly as much success without mattison. At least you admit Meyers on another level than hoke, my scum friends seem to think they're equal. I will admit, its great to have the rivalry back, was getting ridiculous there with rich rod. The game is going to be very interesting this year, considering its at the dick house, will tell us a lot about the future of the rivalry. Go bucks!

pjtobin's picture

So where did scUM recruits wear their one of a kind, never been done before, t shirts? I would assume that they wore them to some event? Like a Xbox party in one of the players parents basement? 
Just FYI I graduated in 99. We had three different shirts made on our own. Without the schools blessing. And my wife and I have done multiple fundraisers. T shirts are a number one seller. This is not a new thing. And it wasn't a new thing 14 yrs ago when my senior class did it. So please quit trying to act like this is breaking news.
It's only kids who are proud of the choices they have made, being kids. I think it sounded like a case of the butt hurt. Dude was jealous cause his future rivals are getting the spotlight. They are on national television wearing their colors. Maybe even wishing he was wearing a block o shirt. Maybe?

Bury me in my away jersey, with my buckeye blanket. A diehard who died young. Rip dad. 

BlueBayou's picture

PJTOBIN, First, to address your question and only because you asked the question, not because it is pertinent to my main point.  Yes, Michigan recruits have been wearing their class shirts to the camps they have been attending.  Please see Fern's announced intentions when he came up with the idea.

Every time someone commits, I'll send one of these nice blue shirts out. Then, as commits wear the shirts to events, we'll get the attention of other potential recruits who may not have been looking towards Michigan at first.
- Michael Ferns about Project 135

As for uncommitted recruits' reactions when it was announced, the quote below.

I think it's pretty awesome. It really shows how close the class is going to be when it's all said and done
-Nic Weishar (Current ND Commit, one time Michigan recruit)

Now that I have addressed your question, I can speak to my previous comments.  I did not comment on the T-Shirts and whether or not it is a new concept.  My senior class also had class T-Shirts, so I know it is not a novel concept.  With regards to the T-Shirt situation, I only pointed out the chronology of specific events that highlight the irony in it and the irrational and crazy world of fandom. 
As an example, if you call the Michigan recruit butt hurt in this situation, what do you call the Ohio recruits when they mocked and accused Michigan recruits of copying them when they got around to noticing a 2014 Michigan class twitter account that existed a full 7 months before either was committed to tOSU?  One that existed 7 months before the tOSU recruits created their website and subsequent twitter account. 
If consistency were at play here, you would call both situations butt hurt, but that is the thing, you won't.  There is no consistency to this situation.  You have to pull yourself back from the situation to find where the consistency is, and it is found in the reaction of the fans.  It does not matter if we are talking about Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, USC, the other USC, or insert any fan base here.  The general lines will almost always fall along the lines of STEENSN's comment further down, which is perfect in its honest and simplistic way of summing this all up.  It can't be said any better, and I never would be able to say it in as few of words, so I will follow STEENSN's advice now in that its time to move on.

pjtobin's picture

This is awesome to hear. I'm glad they are representing TOSU! I'm sure other schools have kids wearing t shirts. Maybe not? 

Bury me in my away jersey, with my buckeye blanket. A diehard who died young. Rip dad. 

2002osubuck's picture

Oh and it's funny the scum guys have to respond via twitter because cant do it in person if your not there. Don't get me wrong, I hate scum but I do respect em and am glad to see there's a great rivalry again. those Rich rod years were bad and didn't help the big ten at all. It was nice winning by 4 TDs and crushing them but it will be even better when we do it with urban meyer vs. the so called "great" Brady hoke. It'll be like when Tressel met Meyer in '07, sorry to bring it up but its true, theyll be good during the year until the game and Meyer destroys them. Or if you wanna look from our prospective, the cooper era aah!, had the best talent but wasnt able to win the game. Even though we probably have better talent currently so should win anyways but scum fans are delusional already saying hokes as good as Meyer maybe better lol. Last I checked meyer has won some sort of championship, not to mention the NC twice, don't even think hoke has a winning record at his stops let alone any championship.

Brutus Forever's picture

pictured, from left to right: future buckeye beasts

"I learned to dislike Michigan at a very young age.” – Urban F. Meyer

twalsh's picture

Man, I believe this will be one of The Ohio States best classes!
Go Young Bucks!!

pjtobin's picture

So what is going on out there? Can we get some updates. My power is off here in Marengo. Please keep us posted. 

Bury me in my away jersey, with my buckeye blanket. A diehard who died young. Rip dad. 

J.Mo's picture

It's stupid that anyone thinks they own the idea of creating a shirt for a group - I see family reunions with their own shirts, youth groups, high school classes... but that's the TSUN arrogance thinking they can claim coming up with the idea of creating a shirt for their recruiting class.

buckeyedude's picture

They did create the A2 Hash Bash.
So there's that.

 

 

GoBucksToledo's picture

Are you a Hash House Harrier?  I used to run with the Toledo Mud Hens Hash House Harriers (TMHHHH)

MN Buckeye's picture

I see nothing but positives coming out of the Buckeye recruits' T-shirt idea.  This shows unity and pride and makes an identity statement to everyone.  I doubt they would be allowed to compete in them anyway.

Urban Nation Army's picture

A brotherhood is the best kind of team. I love it!

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

steensn's picture

If OSU does it, it's awesome, if UM does it it's stupid. That should end the debate, lets move on.

2002osubuck's picture

I think the main reason for the excitement about the 2014bucks shirts is bc we have 9 commits wearing them at the largest camp of the year. The same amount as the entire big ten combined, if I'm not mistaken. So it really boils down to us OSU fans saying look at all the commits we have that "chose" to attend the event. I know most of scums commits turned down the Nike camps bc they're so good n didn't need to attend the camp. Sounds like more delusion to me. Scum fans never fail to amuse me.

BlueBayou's picture

I know most of scums commits turned down the Nike camps bc they're so good n didn't need to attend the camp.

That is not what I said.  My point is only that it is not as simple as being one of the best prospects to be invited to The Opening.  Prospects had to attend a Nike camp for a chance to get invited, and yes, sometimes there is a good reason to turn down an invite.
They are specific points, so please do not stretch them out to mean something they are not.  As a Michigan fan, i know the perils of over stretching.  Having 9 commits at the camp is pretty cool and it is awesome how close they appear to be.

2002osubuck's picture

The only valid reason I see for not attending the Nike camps is if you can't afford it financially and that doesn't seem to apply here. I guess I'd rather have guys compete and have a bad day then not compete at all. Last year cam burrows was a 5* and bc of so called "poor performance" at the opening dropped in the rankings. If someone's a true competitor, they wouldn't pass going against the best players in the nation no matter what. That's why I love our commits and coaches push for competition at everything they do.
btw blue, mclaurin got his invite to the opening at the nike camp at tOSU. Meyer learned of him a fews weeks prior and asked him to attend the camp. even after mclaurin got the invite, meyer still asked mclaruin to come back in 2 weeks to workout again to receive his offer, gotta love the desire to compete. Oh and collier got his offer at the same camp, and then won the MVP at the atlanta camp to seal his invite. Sounds like good evaluating players in person by our staff. Not to mention, a lot of us on here were a bit upset about offering 2 3* having limited spots, but that seemed to stop when they got invites. Good times to be a buckeye. 
Ps. Blue already asked Hail interested to see your answer. Do you think that hoke is the same level head coach as urban Meyer?

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@2002 I agree that the list of valid reasons for not attending the Nike camps is short.  The camps are by invitation only, and there are only 13 camps and they occur in a three month span during most of these kids' school year, so if they can swing an invite and sort out their school schedule, school activities, arrange for an adult to accompany them (since most are minors at this stage), and come up with the money for travel to the site and lodging, they should do it.  Drake Harris turned his invite down because he is going to summer school in order to graduate in December and start college as an Early Entry in January.  Since he probably will see significant time as a freshman, getting into the strength and conditioning program, participating in spring practice, and learning the playbook early probably makes more sense for him.
As for timelines, I know that Mclaurin got his invite to The Opening around May 10th (link), which was about 5 days after he participated in the Chicago NFTC.  Kerry Coombs visited him in late April (25th) just before he Mclaurin blew up at the Chicago camp.  His recruiting profile took off after that and Coombs was back visiting in late May (22nd).  Mclaurin visited tOSU June 8th and then also camped at tOSU on the 9th.  He then attended the school camp at tOSU on the 21st and got offered on that very day, announcing his commitment 2 days later on the 23rd.  It is my opinion that Mclaurin's Opening offer mixed with some other recruits committing elsewhere accelerated the process to assess him and get an offer out.  The staff probably knew they had to do their homework quickly on him to make sure they got an offer out to him before his stock rose, which it will.  If my thoughts are true, that is impressive work, but not necessarily finding a diamond in the rough since he had already gotten a blessing from Nike.
As for Stephen Collier, he out shined more high profile recruits (Deshaun Watson, Tyler Harris, Zach Darlington) at the Atlanta NFTC in April, earning the camp's QB MVP All Team position.  He officially got his Elite 11 (The Opening) invite on June 1st (youtube warning NSFW?) (QB MVP of the April camp I would think made this a guarantee, but I could be wrong).  Collier then camped at tOSU on June 9th, got his tOSU offer June 15th, and committed June 21st.  Again, a recruit with an established Elite 11 invite that would seem to warrant a closer look for a position of need.  Better to look at him before The Opening to decide if you want to offer before his profile can rise from a good showing at The Opening.
I'm not saying that the staff can't evaluate talent.  It would be hard to be as successful as they have if they couldn't.  I think things such as having an established Opening invite make it easier to decide to take a closer look at a kid. (Which both Collier and Mclaurin had Opening invites before their offers) Getting them in and assessing them before The Opening is also brilliant in order to get in, decided if you want them, and then lock them in before any other high profile program gets a shot.  I will give kudos for that.  I just don't think they can be used as examples of the staff finding under the radar prospects.  The only reason fans may feel that way is because the star ratings often lag behind the recruits actual profile, whereas an invite to The Opening will not.
If you still disagree with the above, I'm ok with that and we both can agree that tOSU still has an awesome staff that is good at evaluating talent.
Damn, I just wrote another book and I still haven't addressed your question.

Do you think that Hoke is the same level head coach as urban Meyer?

In the spirit of wrapping this up (faint cheers and clapping heard in the distance), I will try to keep this short.  No, Hoke is not at the same level as Urban Meyer.  Not yet, and maybe he never will be, but I have hope and feel I've seen signs that he will eventually be a good, maybe great coach.  Urban can already print his ticket to the HOF.  Hoke still has a ton of work to do (no, not at the buffet line) to even enter the conversation.