Twelve Weeks of Dissmas

By Ramzy Nasrallah on June 18, 2013 at 9:30a
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Seventy-five days from now the Ohio State Buckeyes are going to play the Buffalo Bulls, and they're going to beat the living shit out of them.

Home openers are impossible to look past, so Buffalo will get the full, gruesome treatment and no one will bat an eyelash at the outcome. People will just be relieved that college football is finally back and happy there's a three-day weekend as well.

San Diego State visits Columbus the following Saturday. That guest appearance on the schedule was elevated when Vanderbilt of the SEC - a conference that will play anyone, anywhere - abruptly canceled what would have been the season opener. The Buckeyes should win that game too, as well as the roadie the following week at Berkeley.

And right around mid-September is when the raindrops that are already falling - in June - should build into a full deluge of preemptive outrage: The Buckeyes' schedule sucks, and they don't deserve to play in the BCS title game even if they continue to win all of their games.

This is because official BCS rankings in September will not only have merit, they also won't actually exist yet - which just makes them scarier, especially to people outside of the Ohio State loyalty program.

If the Buckeyes make it to 3-0, that's when their detractors will begin to cluck in earnest. It's already happening now, months before the season even starts.

This means that Ohio State has moved into a gated community normally reserved for the Boise States of the world, but without the media welcome wagon, general goodwill or Pat Forde blithely offering up his chastity.

That case against 0-0 Ohio State, albeit both overly-enthusiastic and several months premature, isn't exactly without merit. You've used these same excuses before: But Washington was good when we scheduled them. But MAC teams are always underrated. But Youngstown State gave us Tressel so playing them is like a finder's fee.

Yeah, Cal was in the midst of its brief, glorious renaissance when it signed up for the two-year series that began last season...on Jeff Tedford's way out of town. Never mind that the Bears have played in exactly one January bowl game in Urban Meyer's lifetime; the real problem is that Cal is the marquee non-con on the schedule.  

San Diego State returns a very nice nine-win team whose nucleus was built largely by Brady Hoke (heretofore, the Aztecs should be condescendingly referred to as San Diego). Buffalo and Florida A&M are classic please, no one get hurt Saturdays scheduled explicitly to generate revenue.

Michigan is Ohio State's most highly-regarded opponent, positioned at 20th in Jeff Sagarin's 2012 rankings. Northwestern, Nebraska, Wisconsin and Penn State landed in the top 30. Vanderbilt would have given the Buckeyes six opponents in that formidable range.

But beyond the Nittany Lions, it's a festival of regional, noon-kickoff programs hell-bent on crashing through the titanium ceiling that is bowl-eligibility.

You have to scroll down way too far to find those opponents in the Sagarin algorithm, and that's a mathematically unimpressive slate for any BCS conference team. (Ohio State could have improved its schedule by scheduling itself, but alas).

No margin for error in '13. Can a team have negative losses?

Granted, defending champ Alabama's schedule was also wholly uninspiring last season - even its annual November home underdog mulligan where the Tide gets to lose in Tuscaloosa and all is forgiven was weaker that usual. However, Alabama doesn't play in a conference suffering a football credibility problem either. 

Ohio State's schedule wasn't built to inspire, and it fails appropriately in a season where it should have one of the very best offensive lines and backfields in the country. But the slate is already being ridiculed months ahead of its activation, which preemptively discredits what the Buckeyes, um, haven't done yet.

Going 12-0 again is being viewed as a strong possibility, despite the rarity of perfect seasons - let alone achieving them two years in a row. Ohio State running the table again is a threat to the (valid) SEC supremacy narrative that's supported by (valid) recent memories of Ohio State losing bowl games to SEC programs.

But the gravest threat to Ohio State isn't SEC supremacy or narratives . It's the Buckeyes allowing a grossly inferior team or teams to once again go full-Purdue on them. Like, say, Purdue.

If that happens, the narrative will shift course to one you want to hear even less than the one about how empty Ohio State's gaudy winning streak will have become.

What probably isn't healthy is getting worked up over what is sure to be a rich stream of hot, deliberately-provocative takes designed to attract the most reliably-offended and defensive fans this side of the Mason-Dixon line. That would be you. That would be us.

We're a large, ravenous and coveted demographic - mostly because we're fun to piss off and we bring all our friends to fight. There's gold in that troll: Upsetting Ohio State fans is great for business. That's why a seldom-used tight end peeing near a golf course becomes breaking national news. Because of you. Because of us.

We're a large, ravenous and coveted demographic - mostly because we're fun to piss off and we bring all our friends to fight.Ohio State ripping through its largely pedestrian schedule is still going to be nice, as will be the viable Braxton Miller-for-Heisman campaign that the university will quickly buttress should he accumulate the gaudy statistics required to elevate him above the level of competition he'll be facing.

That too will be dismissed on account of the schedule. It already is. Miller hasn't thrown a pass yet or juked a single linebacker out of his pads.

But outside of our celebratory echo chamber, prepare yourself for a whole lot of so what. If you're the type to consume the wisdom of the vapid national punditry at face value, 2013 has strong potential to be one of your least enjoyable college football seasons on record.

You'll consistently hear about how little each Ohio State victory means. Every Saturday will ring as hollow as you were told that entire, perfect 2012 season-without-a-postseason did. No victories are going to be good enough for a lot of people who are already predisposed to root against your team.

This is a predetermined take. It was to be kept warm on the back-burner to be served during the season, but last month it couldn't be contained any longer and was moved to the front of the stove - and yet we're still 75 days away from Ohio State beating the living shit out of Buffalo.

Which is why it might be healthy to prepare yourself to be unaffected. Ignoring the Buckeyes' detractors might be bad for business, but it just might be good for you.

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ohiostbux5's picture

Love the Hoke reference 

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Let them hate us. It hasn't stopped them before and certainly won't cease even if we do run the table. Hopefully Urbz will use the malaise to his advantage to get his "angry team." Having a chip on their shoulder will go along way in making this team come together like it did last year. If you think about it, it's kind of like the media are the drill sargeant harping on us for 12 weeks of boot camp. We hate it and resent them for it but it's really meant to make us stronger, hence the beauty of it all. ESPN and its media whore friends are actually all doing us a favor. Go Bucks!

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

Dayton Buckeye's picture

We are under a microscope at OSU. Let the haters hate.  I just hope we are an angry team at the end of the year.  I would love a NC title, but I would be happy with a bowl win.

Hovenaut's picture

Post-season ineligiblity (n/a this year), weak schedule, conference in a downturn, one or more loss schools from uh, other (favorable) regions are more deserving.....yada, yada, yada.

Some people, some teams make excuses. Others make arrangments.

Having lived away from Ohio now for most of my life, I'm used to others scoffing at Ohio State, the football program and fans like I - passionate and proud, through times good and bad.

Let 'em hate, just means the Buckeyes are doing something right. I think there will be plenty of this come fall.....and early 2014.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I am not very smart.

Maestro's picture

Where do you live Hovenaut.  I too have liived most of my life away from Ohio.  I am pretty used to the weird looks and responses.

vacuuming sucks

Hovenaut's picture

Frederick, Maryland.....work in D.C.

Surrounded by Terps, Mountaineers, Hokies and Cavaliers.

For the most part my friends, neighbors and cohorts are intrigued by my fanaticism more than anything. But I'm also a big Redskins fan, as many of them are, so I don't get the disconnect over the college fandom.

Have a feeling the Terp fans aren't going to be as tolerant in the very near future.

How about you Maestro?

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I am not very smart.

Maestro's picture

My folks moved us to Texas when I was a kid, so Ohio State might as well have been Canada or Russia to the good people of the Nation of Texas.
I live in Kansas City now and there is a decent amount of Buckeye support here, but it is still a foreign concept to most people.  Even tougher now with the SEC invading KC by adding Mizzou.  

vacuuming sucks

osu07asu10's picture

San Diego State returns a very nice nine-win team whose nucleus was built largely by Brady Hoke (heretofore, the Aztecs should be condescendingly referred to as San Diego).

 
Pure Ramzy gold.  

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

Doc's picture

Just go out and beat "the living shit" out of every team on the schedule and we can't be denied.  No squeakers, just total obliterations.

"Say my name."

WC Buckeye's picture

That's the ticket, right there, folks. Even against what some are already considering (Maybe not true? Who knows, when these other teams haven't played a down yet, either?) a weak schedule, BLOW THEM OUT. SHUT THEM OUT. Stay healthy, but end the flippin' games before halftime.
Edit: we haven't seen any of the SEC teams play a down yet, either. They *might* shit the bed a few times, themselves. Then what?

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

RunEddieRun1983's picture

By and large I've defended the schedule for the most part saying "you play who you play" and all that, but being honest, this is a sad, sorry schedule for a team that is supposed to be elite.  They need to hang 35-60 points on every opponent and run away with a B1G title while not giving up more than 10-20 to anyone.

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

AJW_16's picture

I know I've said it a few times in the past few months, but I fully plan on making beer runs/taking my dog for walks during halftimes and turning College Gameday off whenever they talk about OSU. Let's not feed these trolls.

"Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you." 

millertime2011's picture

I think we will need to win every game, and every game BIG, to get any credit (even then it may not matter). That article saying that Braxton isn't in the same league as Maziel, yeldon and Murray is an absolute joke. 

buckguyfan1's picture

Here's to our Buckeyes guys!  Let the Team and Staff go to work and I'm sure after a one game at a time approach we will be rewarded!  F the haters and F M*chigan!!

Ethos's picture

I'll admit I watch Mark May and Lou Holtz, mostly to watch Lou Holtz make fun of Mark May on live television.  Yeah those guys all tick me off, but at the same time i'm happy because if we weren't a good program, you wouldn't hear anything about us at all.

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

TMac's picture

Does the weak schedule argument become irrelevant IF (1) we do go undefeated, (2) average margin of victory is 30+ and (3) no victory by less than 14 ?

RunEddieRun1983's picture

If we go 12-0, and let's say average margin of victory is 14+ and the defense is ranked in the top ten in just about every category, there is no way they could deny us.

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

stittracer99's picture

2002 - We squeaked out the wins against sub par teams and didn't deserve to be on the same field as Miami. Everyone against us telling us we didn't belong. Look what happened, we showed up pissed off and took care of business.
2006 - We blew out everyone in a decent Big 10 and Texas plus The Game against TTUN and suddenly everyone was riding tOSU bandwagon. Look what happened, we showed up and forgot to play the game.
Yes, I think we deserve A LOT more respect than we are currently getting, but I will take the end results all day long instead of everyone telling us that we are best thing thing since sliced bread. Keep us angry and motivated. It will only make the victory that much sweeter.

RunEddieRun1983's picture

The difference being if the players know they're better than their competition, and they start to believe the talk of the analysts that the buckeyes are soft, and are playing a soft schedule.  If they, at any point, go on cruise control, the wheels could come off and that would be it.
That's where coaching comes in, I don't think UFM would let it happen, and hopefully he's on these kids' asses from day 1.

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

stittracer99's picture

I completely agree on Urban (along with other coaches like Vrabel and Coombs) keeping them motivated. I sleep very well at night knowing that he's leading our team.
However, with a group of 82 young men, it only takes a handful of them to become complacent before we suffer a loss to the Purdue's and Illinois' of the world. This is where I believe our veteran players will step up and lead by example. In the weight room, the film room, the locker room. Always motivating and keeping the focus.

Gametime's picture

On the flipside of this point - our coach now was the guy who motivated his team who delivered that beat down in 2006 and that Florida team was on the receiving end of the same criticisms - they weren't good enough, OSU should rematch Michigan, etc. 
So all of this now is going to motivate our guys through the summer - they will come to every game taking it personal and thrash everyone and they've been pissed off for a year now. 
There's something to be said when coaches understand how to work that "lock-in" when a person gets pissed. We all do it - that moment where you just say "F THAT, that's it" and you lock in a systematically destroy your opposition - you respond and keep attacking until you dominate - this team is going to be full of that next year and I would love for nothing more than for us to murder an SEC team in the title game by 30+ on ESPN. 

Between goals and achievement is discipline and consistency. That fire you have inside to do whatever you love is placed there by God. Now go claim it. ~ Denzel Washington

Buckifan4Life's picture

Yeah, I agree with what Doc and other posters have stated,...if OSU plays to their ability and blows out the competition pretty handily while going undefeated, I don't think they will be denied. It's clear that Nick Saban is taking notice of what Ohio State is building/has built. It even seems as though he is more worried about OSU than his rivals in the SEC and for good reason. Oh, it's gonna be a FUN year...

Buckeye06's picture

Win 14 games and move on with life Buckeyes.  One day at a time, do everything right.  The Buckeyes will start in the top 5, and unless 2 teams out of Bama/A&M/Stanford/Oregon go undefeated, the Buckeyes will guarantee themselves a spot.
The worst possible thing would be a split national title; I don't think anyone wants that.

Earle's picture

I refuse to worry about this.  If the Buckeyes win all their games including the B1G Championship, and don't get an invite to the NCG, then let the meltdown commence. 
We can't do anything about SOS at this point and I don't care a bit about margin of victory.  Win them all and I think they'll be there.  A loss, and they don't deserve it.

Just say no to italics abuse.

bdegroff's picture

First, I am looking forward to a great season! Secondly, as a fan of tOSU this isn't new territory. Every year fans of tOSU hear about an underwhelming conference schedule and the 3 games against local MAC competition. The Big 10 could implement a 9 game conference schedule and it still wouldn't matter to the Mark Mays of the world. However, it would force the conference to rid themselves of the weak out of conference schedule. To me, that sounds like a great idea.
 
tOSU needs to take care of business. That means blowing some teams out by 40 may be necessary. But, I am not going to concern myself over this. Urban will have his young men ready. I don't think we need a pissed off team, just a team that understands business must be taken care of. Games over at halftime eases the soul!!

BrewstersMillions's picture

Its out of Ohio State's hands-all of it. All they can do is control what they can control. Play all 12 games hard, beat your opponents mercilessly and hope a few of them win more games after getting cut to pieces by Urban and Co. Northwestern could do the Bucks a solid and win a few games before and after Ohio State curb stomps them. Michigan can do OSU an even bigger favor by cleaning up prior to the Game. Where we all sit right now, OSU has a crap schedule but if two or three of the teams they play can win a lot more games than they lose, maybe it'll help the notion that OSU isn't one of the best teams in the country.
I really don't care. Ramzy's piece is well received by this reader. We are going to hear opinions passed off as facts that all have the same ring to them. "If OSU played in the SEC, they'd lose 5 times"-no one says which 5, of course. "Miller would be killed by SEC defenses"-Which ones? "Urban Meyer wouldn't win in the SEC"-which of course is totally true. Ohio State is in an unenviable position. Win close games and its "Shoulda won by more". Win blowouts and it'll be "Oh wow, that's what they should have done".
It's fine-this is the college football world in which we live. The Boise State comparison may be apt here....of course the last few times 'undeserving' Boise got into a big game, they generally eviscerated whatever over confident team they drew anyway. I could live with that.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Just kick the ever living shit out of each and every team and the rest of the noise will evaporate and the season ending will take care of itself!!!  The more hate filled stories I read on the blogosphere, the more I love being a Buckeye!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Squirrel Master's picture

undefeated is tough no matter how easy the schedule is. Just by saying OSU should go undefeated with this schedule just because of the level of inferiority of the opponent is just being small minded.
Should UM have lost to Appy St?
Should UF have barely beaten LA Lafayette by 7 pts after being down by 7 with less than 2 minutes to play?
Should any team barely squeak by a lesser opponent when they are clearly better?
the answer is no but guess what....it all happens still!
its June! to say a team that goes undefeated next Fall doesn't deserve a shot at winning it all is just sad commentary on those who say that. Mark May can tweet what he wants but he should know how hard it is to go undefeated with any major conference schedule!
Not to mention, as Ramzy pointed out, Boise St was said to be a contender if they went undefeated with their schedule 2 years ago (they didn't). I would put OSU's B1G schedule up against a schedule that BSU plays any day, but they had everyone talking about how they deserved a shot.
 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Psychranger's picture

What a good read Ramzy. At the risk of riling up some of my Buckeye Brothers, the 12-0 season was nice, but when looked at honestly and logically, the Buckeyes were anything but a dominant force. The B1G is a huge impediment, stacked with way too many mediocre programs that are happy to have a winning season and a Sun Bowl birth once in a while. Those programs consistently struggle against respectable teams, including the MAC. Adding Maryland and Rutgers for the $ makes the problem even worse in the future. Although I usually get an earful every time I critique the B1G, I can only refer them to Coach Meyer himself which should at least cause pause. Coach Meyer immediately challenged the other programs to step up their recruiting, which for the last decade has been subpar and on a steady, measurable decline. Of his own team, he said that OSU had some really good players, just "not nearly enough of them." OSU and UM are towing the line in recruiting which is every team's lifeblood. Yes, it's great that non-star players can be coached up, but nobody in their right mind would not rather coach up 4 and 5 star players. Our beloved Buckeyes have to take the risk at scheduling OOC teams with strong, consistently good records to compensate for at this point is a disappointing B1G, and at the same time must improve their own quality of play to reflect dominance over those B1G programs that have done little to change the National dialogue about how weak the Conference is. Beating teams by 5 touchdowns is very different than winning on a miracle against an awful Purdue team and letting a poor Indiana team look like a dreadnought. Coach Meyer understands perfectly what to do and I believe with all my mind that he'll bring the increased speed and talent we need to dominate so that whatever the Marylands, Iowas, Illinois's, Indiana's, Minnesota's, Purdue's, etc do, OSU will earn the confidence of the decision makers so that schedule weakness can be compensated for. In the meantime, start scheduling some OOC beasts that will demonstrate clearly what our team is made of and will give the fans exciting games to spend their hard earned money on. 

JB3

builderofcoalitions's picture

Honestly, I don't care what anyone says. I'm going to enjoy another undefeated run whether it ends in the national championship game or not. If they make the title game, great. If they don't and still go undefeated, I suspect that they will be one of two (or one) to not lose a game. I'm okay with that.

"Who did Ohio State beat?" Everyone they played the last two seasons. That will be a priceless retort to all the trolls.
 

Because we couldn't go for three.

acBuckeye's picture

So how come Braxton would be in a M.A.S.H. unit if he went up against an SEC schedule, but Manziel (who, despite some differences, does many of the same things that XBrax does) never gets mentioned as being a risk to injury?!
And OSU would go 6-6 in the mighty SEC??!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Did these people forget how effing LAME Alabama's schedule was last year? They played LSU, Georgia and A&M and lost to the Aggies at home. That's it. They didn't play anyone else worth 2 cents.
Not to mention Braxton got banged up a lot last year, even getting knocked out of the Purdue game. Didn't matter. Still went 12-0.
I understand guys like Mark May and Matt Hayes are trolls, but Danny Sheridan: welcome to the sh*t list, sir.

Catch 5's picture

Bama also played Michigan last year - who was arguably the toughest opponent on OSU's schedule.  And all three of the ones you listed finished ahead of anyone on the Buckeye's schedule.
Now, this year?  Yea Bama's schedule is weak, but still not as bad as OSU's.  I don't mean this as a criticism of the team.  The team should be quite good.  The schedule is what it is and as everyone else has noted, you can't change it at this point. 
The problem will arise if/when OSU goes undefeated and the BCS must decide between them and a 1-loss SEC team for a final spot in the championship game.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

acBuckeye's picture

You are correct, I did forget that Bama obliterated scUM early in the season. But my main point was that OSU's schedule strength vs. schedule strength of teams from the SEC is often overblown and just flat-out not accurate.
After playing scUM, 'Bama went 2 months before they played another legit opponent and had a 1-AA opponent late in the year, yet you'd never know it by listening to the media. And don't tell me Mississippi State is a legit team..... Nerdwestern handled them.
And you have to agree that saying absurd things like "OSU would go 6-6 in the SEC" is just plain dumb and ignorant. No smart football fan truly believes that. OSU would routinely be competing for conference titles in any conference in America.
BTW -- if you care, i didn't DV you.

Catch 5's picture

See my post a couple spots below this for schedule comparisons.  The method/article I reference is not really applicable for teams outside the top tier, but for talking about OSU/Bama and other top teams, it really is better than just looking at the average ranking.  It also reveals that 1-AA teams really aren't any different than any team ranked above the middle of FBS.  Top 10 teams don't lose to those guys, and it shouldn't even be close whether that team is Duke or Chattanooga makes no difference.
I agree that Miss St was overrated for much of the season, but to dismiss them completely is a little wrong as well (as is your portrayal of NW - they are a fairly solid team).
As for OSU in the SEC, I honestly don't know how they would do, but 2-6 or 3-5 in SEC play is not realistic.  I would put them just above Arkansas and Auburn (well, way above them after last year's performances - I'm referencing the last 5 years) so an occasional appearance in the SECCG would not be out of the question, but nothing anywhere near the dominance you have enjoyed in B10 of late.  If I had to give a record, I would expect 9-3 or 10-2 out of OSU most years.  Anyone who says 6-6 is just pulling your chain.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

acBuckeye's picture

I think double-digit wins would still be the norm, but I agree in that 3, 4, or 5 consecutive conference titles would be a stretch. But you also have to remember, for pretty much all of OSU's recent dominance we didn't have a conf. title game. In other words, several shared titles.

MN Buckeye's picture

Awesome article, Ramzy!  My favorite gems:
I would love entering that gated community . . . without "Pat Forde blithely offering up his chastity".
I am also wrestling with the image of the "titanium ceiling that is bowl eligibility", a pretty tough barrier.

Catch 5's picture

A couple years ago, Matt Dover wrote a couple excellent articles over at Rollbamaroll.com dealing with how to compare/rank schedules.  It is an excellent read if you care to (I'm not him, and no affiliation with RBR other than being a reader/commenter as I am here)
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/7/21/2275536/assessing-schedule-strengt...
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2011/8/11/2357417/comparing-schedule-strengt...
The gist of the write up is that for top contenders, a schedule's strength depends more on the number of highly ranked teams that one plays instead of the average strength of your opponents.  I did a quick analysis of the schedules for a few of the top teams of interest for comparison sake using Athlon's ranking of all 125 D1 schools.  Here are the results (the value given is the probability of a top-12 team going undefeated with the given schedule)
LSU - 1.7%
Florida - 2.2%
Notre Dame - 4.3%
Alabama - 8.8%
Michigan - 13.0%
Ohio State - 20.0%
This does not include the conference championship games that would result in an undefeated regular season.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Nice work - wonder how to correlates to what Vegas Odds are for OSU going undefeated?

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Bovada's (Sports Book) odds for OSU winning the National Championship have been posted at 17/2, so I assume that's almost like saying those are their odds for OSU going undefeated, since OSU likely will have to go undefeated in order to get into the Nat Champ game in the first place.
FYI - Best odds for winning it all (and not the same likely as being undefeated) were Bama at 5/1, and Oregon at 8/1 (LSU and Tex A&M were at 12/1). 

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Ramzy - Thanks for preparing us for the inevitable onslaught of college football punditry - also known to our fan base as the Nattering Naybobs of Negativity Bowl (sponsored by ESPN and Gillete).
As Uncle Si would say "Hey Jack - we're just playing by the rules that the BSC and NCAA set up" and "our schedule is so dope, it ought to be outlawed in 55 states".
As Jim Tressel would say "Our kids played hard, and it's tough to win any game against any opponent in this day and age". 
And as all of us who have suffered through our recent tat-inspired travails would say, " What A Great Problem To Have!!"

MassiveAttack's picture

Imagine if our schedule had the following non-conference games:
Vanderbilt - Home
Stanford - Away
LSU/Georgia/South Carolina/Arkansas - Neutral
Texas/Oklahoma - Away
If we won all four games, would any members of the "National OSU Haters Club" really give us more credit? I imagine we would get a little from people on the fence, but the loudest haters (Mark May, Pat Forde, and the SEC faithful) would still say "Ohio State is overrated." They would still say "Ohio State will get hammered by whoever else the SEC sends to the NC game."
They would say, "Ohio State had all summer long to get ready for those games, and the B1G is weak."
People are going to hate on us until we produce multiple National Championships. And if (when?) that were to happen, we'd get a bunch of new haters singing the _ichigan song of, "They're a bunch of cheaters, and Urban Meyer is sleazy." At least we would have some respect for winning, but no fewer haters.
We should just accept the hate and let it fuel our success.

Catch 5's picture

I plugged in those teams into the formula I referenced above, and those changes would decrease OSU's chances of going undefeated from 20% to 1.7% - just a little tougher than LSU's actual schedule. (using LSU and Oklahoma for your options)
I don't know how the media would react to such a feat, but this fan of a powerhouse SEC team would respect the hell out of it.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

45has2's picture

It will only get worse, as ESPIN IS the AssEC network and they televise the vast majority of the bowl games. Therefore, it is their and their shareholders' best interest to degrade any non AssEC team so they can make sure that bowl season is merely a replay of the AssEC season.

"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

nfischer's picture

I was laughing out loud after the first sentence!
Let haters hate. It will make it that much sweeter.

fear_the_nut70's picture

Nice write up.
Does anyone really argue that the SEC is the conference that will play anyone anywhere (yes, I know your comment belongs in the sarcasm family)?  I don't even think their fans can argue that (cue we play 8 games against the best conference in the world, why should we?)
This is the conference that plays directional schools in November to schedule an extra "bye" week.  When Georgia traveled to Tempe in 2007 (or 08, can't remember), it was the first time they traveled outside of an 800 mile radius in 41 years.  According to a Gator fan friend of mine, their AD has gone on the record saying that UF will never schedule big opponents in home-and-homes because of budget issues (while the fifth or so biggest grossing AD can't seem to afford it, everyone else can).  And of course, pretty much all of the SEC bowl games are in their backyards.  I will give them their due, it's been a hell of a run and the top of the SEC has been better than the top of every other conference for damn near a decade now.  But, they won't travel and take on all comers, the reason I call them the Southeast Chickens...

Maestro's picture

Here are the arguments you will hear.
1. UF plays FSU every year.  No need to travel out of the state.
2. Playing an SEC schedule is hard enough.  No need to travel out of state.
3. UGA plays GT every year.  No need to travel out of state.
4. South Carolina plays Clemson every year.  No need to travel out of state.
5. The Sun Belt is better than the MAC.
etc, etc, etc
For your sanity, just avoid this discussion.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Maestro, I have had that conversation already and am willing to continue the fight.
FYI, what happened to the bestdamnpoll.com?  I have left messages for Joe but he hasn't called back.  I suspect some sort of intellectual property dispute but that's just a guess.

Maestro's picture

Actually it just wasn't financially sustainable with so many founding member bowing out for various reasons (families mostly).  Good to see you FTN.

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Catch 5's picture

'07 FSU (Jacksonville)
'08 Clemson (Atlanta)
'09 Virginia Tech (Atlanta)
'10 Penn St (Home)
'11 Penn St (away)
'12 Michigan (Dallas)

Those are Bama's marquee OOC matchups under Saban. If I recall correctly, they were all ranked - most in or near the top 10 when they played. You may note that only one was played in the state of Alabama. They have home & homes with W Virginia and Michigan State in the next few years.

LSU has played home and home with West Virginia and Oregon recently.
Georgia has played several top teams in addition to Ga Tech
Auburn had Clemson and W Virginia
Florida, while remaining in state, is playing a home & home with Miami along with FSU
S Carolina, along with their usual bout with Clemson has also played recent games with North Carolina and NC State.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

hetuck's picture

This is why every media mention of OSU needs to include the clause "nation's longest winning streak" and margin of victory is paramount. I don't care if it isn't a factor in the BCS computers; it is a factor in the voter's minds. Fortunately Meyer understands this and the days of wincing when "Dave" scores a TD in the waning seconds is gone forever. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

unholy bucknut's picture

Mark May will be the ring leader in this we play no body witch hunt too. Watch and see I hate that guy soo much he just says this stuff to be controversal hes so fake.

Bucksfan's picture

The truth is that the B1G isn't nearly as bad as people say.  The biggest difference between the B1G and the other power conferences is the lack of quality quarterback play.  The defenses, however, are very tough.
It's really easy to say "the B1G sucks."  But the B1G doesn't suck.  Its QBs suck.

jestertcf's picture

If Staff could get helmet sticker Ramzy would have a billion. This is so so so so good.

~Because we couldn't go for three~

Maestro's picture

Sheridan is such a piss stain. 
Yes, the OSU PR machine (maybe the most ironic thing I have read in recent memory, an SEC honk talking about PR machines) is the reason that Miller had offers from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and Kentucky from the SEC.  Those teams love to offer kids who they think will get injured at the next level.
The OSU PR machine is behind Braxton Miller being named the B1G Offensive Player of the Year and setting the single season total offense record in the 120 seasons of Ohio State football.
Freaking mental midget.
Keep searching for the bag man at Auburn a-hole.

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tdible2132's picture

Preach my man preach!

jamesrbrown322's picture

Let us not forget that the non-con schedule would look slighlty better had Vandy not canceled at essentially the last minute in order to satisfy Coach Franklin and keep him in Nashville.
Vandy is by no means a powerhouse, but it is ironic that SEC fans and ES(EC)PN are most critical of OSU's schedule, which would be vastly improve had an SEC fan not chosen to duck the Buckeyes. Also, if you want hilarious, check out Bama and A&M's nonconference schedules...
Alabama is playing 2 FCS teams! Honestly, the program is at a stage that the only thing that will cure what ails, and get the media off their backs, is to win a title or two...or at least win a few games against SEC teams in bowl games.

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Winston Churchill

Catch 5's picture

Virginia Tech was a bit down last year, but they are still a national top-third level team, and actually Georgia State is an FBS school now - so Bama is "only" playing one FCS team.  Like OSU.  And it is a shame that Vandy backed out.  They would have been the highest ranking team on OSU's non-con schedule (per Athlon).

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban