Cracking the Queen City

By Kyle Rowland on April 12, 2013 at 10:00a
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Kerry Coombs is part of a staff that is aggressively targeting the Cincinnati metro area.

The state of Ohio is the seventh most populous state in the nation, filled with more than 11.5 million people. And it seems like every last one of them is a Buckeye fan. The state covers 44,825 square miles, but it’s those 80 square miles in the southwest corner of the state and its nearly 300,000 citizens where the chasm exists.

You can look far and wide in every area of the state and you’ll quickly realize Buckeye Nation is flourishing at every turn, even in Toledo, where Ann Arbor is less than an hour’s drive. Cincinnati, though, has always been the outcast when it comes to Ohio State fandom. And as a result, it hasn’t always been an automatic victory for the Buckeyes when a Cincinnati-area kid was set to announce his college decision.

The Universities of Cincinnati, Louisville and Kentucky all have large footprints in Cincinnati, as well as Notre Dame due to the high concentration of Catholics residing in the Queen City.

Jordan Hicks (Texas), Ben Martin (Tennessee), Spencer Ware (LSU) and Dwayne Stanford (Oregon) are recent examples of Cincinnati kids who were recruited heavily by Ohio State but opted to go elsewhere. Countless Moeller, St. Xavier and Elder players have spurned the Buckeyes too, choosing instead to attend Notre Dame.

“There does seem to be some sort of disconnect,” Ohio State cornerbacks coach Kerry Coombs, a longtime high school coach at powerhouse Cincinnati Colerain, said. “Coach Meyer is working really hard to bridge whatever gap there might be.”

In the past there have been high-profile Buckeyes from Cincinnati – Carlos Snow, Greg Frey and DeVier Posey to name a few – but the list is far smaller than the state’s other major metro areas. And unlike Cleveland, Akron or Youngstown, where a scholarship offer can signal a slam dunk for a commitment, coaches must grind all the way to signing day when recruiting Cincinnati prospects.

In recent years, it’s gotten even more difficult with UC racking up 10-win seasons and BCS bowl bids. The switch from Conference USA to the Big East was a boon for Cincinnati football. Now the school is pining to join the ACC.

Four years ago the unthinkable happened. The Bearcats went undefeated during the regular season, while Ohio State lost twice. Brian Kelly left Cincinnati to become the head coach at Notre Dame, strengthening the Fighting Irish’s grip on Greater Cincinnati recruits.

In his first two recruiting classes, Meyer has bagged Adolphus Washington and Jalin Marshall, while Sam Hubbard committed for the class of 2014. Washington and Andrew Norwell are both Cincinnatians that start for the Buckeyes.

“I wasn’t here in years past, but I have heard a lot of, ‘Well, we haven’t done well in Cincinnati,”’ Meyer said. “I think we’re doing great. I think we’re killing it. Adolphus Washington could potentially be a great player at Ohio State. Recently we’ve done good down there.

“There’s really good players, really good high school coaches. Coach Coombs has helped and Tim Hinton obviously knows Cincinnati since he coached at UC for a long time. I went there. So I think we’re doing great. I love Cincinnati.”

Meyer, a 1986 graduate of UC, has embraced the spring game roadshow, calling it a “great idea” and encouraging fans to fill Paul Brown Stadium. Coombs, a former assistant at UC, said he imagines Cincinnati’s coaches are uncomfortable with the idea of Ohio State playing a few miles from campus.

Urban Meyer as a Cincinnati Bearcat in 1984, mustache and all.Urban Meyer, mustachioed Bearcat (1984).

But newly hired head coach Tommy Tuberville doesn’t seem to mind. And if he does, he has an odd way of showing it. 

“I’m going to come over and watch, see what they’ve got,” he said. “We play them (in 2014). It’ll be good for the city, bring a lot of people in. It doesn’t bother me.”

Ohio State is anxious to showcase the game to recruits, even if Ohio Stadium isn’t the venue. The unique event figures to be a hit with high schoolers who favor experiencing new places.

“Anytime we can put our product in front of people, that’s going to be a plus for us,” Coombs said. “For the entire city of Cincinnati, I think the people that come to the spring game are going to be really excited about that, and I think that any young player that saw that is going to want to be a part of it.”

Meyer, playing host, will give his Buckeyes the full Cincinnati treatment, complete with a stop at the Reds Museum, Montgomery Inn, Skyline and Graeter’s. There will also be a pregame speech from Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis.

“We’re going to do it right,” Meyer said about the 110-mile trip down I-71. From Cincinnati to Columbus, it feels more like 500 miles.

The Republic of Cincinnati, as it’s sometimes referred to, or Cincitucky, has been indifferent toward Ohio State for decades. And the divide isn’t just sports-related; it extends to the rest of the state. Cincinnatians rarely venture north to Dayton, let alone Columbus. The culture in Cincinnati is Southern, whereas Columbus is Midwestern to its core.

“It is true that when you live in Cincinnati, you kind of become insulated from the rest of the world for whatever reason,” said Coombs, who refers to Cincinnati as “my town.”

“It's like we’re our own little cult. I’d never been (in Columbus) for any length of a time,” he said. “Now I’m living here, and I still couldn't tell you where anything is.

“Cincinnati is different. It is unique. That’s OK. Cincinnati should celebrate who they are. I do as a Cincinnatian. But I’m also an Ohioan, and I think that gap is the thing we’re continuing to bridge and working really hard to bridge. That’s what I think is really exciting about this deal on Saturday.”

Ohio State has one of the largest alumni bases in the world. Not surprisingly, more than 100,000 are from Central Ohio and only 19,000 hail from the southwest part of the state. In comparison, Northeast Ohio, where Cleveland is located, has more than twice that number of alumni.

There are currently more academic staff members at Ohio State than students from Southwestern Ohio. The Greater Cincinnati area only makes up seven percent of the university’s enrollment.

“If you grow up on the west side of Cincinnati, your life pretty much begins and ends there,” Coombs said. “You marry somebody from the west side of Cincinnati, your children go to school on the west side of Cincinnati. In my life, I went to a high school and then I came back and worked at that high school, and I married my wife, who went to that high school, and our children went to that high school. We all grew up in a five-mile radius. That’s true of a large part of the population down there.”

The rift between Ohio State and Cincinnati is most commonly linked to the basketball court. In the early 1960s, the Buckeyes and Bearcats were at the height of their powers, playing in two straight championship games – both won by Cincinnati.

Ohio State has been eager to play UC in football, though the Buckeyes won’t play the Bearcats in the bandbox that is known as Nippert Stadium. The dynamic in basketball is different. It’s a zero-sum game for Ohio State, so it chooses not to play the likes of Cincinnati, Xavier and Dayton. Therein lies part of the rub with Cincinnati natives and Bearcat supporters.

Current members of the Buckeye football team who hail from Cincinnati have differing opinions on the perceived lukewarm response to Ohio State.

Redshirt freshman linebacker Joe Burger didn’t pay much attention to the Buckeyes, opting instead to attend Notre Dame games as a kid. Both his dad and brother played for the Irish, but one visit to Ohio State was all he needed to be sold.

Kevin Niehoff, a redshirt freshman safety from Mason, some 30 miles north of downtown Cincinnati, had a different perception of the Buckeyes, as did his friends.

“There were a ton of Ohio State fans at my school,” he said. “There’s a ton of Ohio State fans all over.”

The same held true for sophomore defensive end Adolphus Washington.

“To me, (Cincinnati) was an Ohio State town because I grew up a Buckeye fan.”

“I would fight you for the Buckeyes. That was who I was, and I’m proud to tell you that.”

One major difference from past decades, Ohio State was an annual national title contender when they were growing up. The exposure, even living in Cincinnati, was too much to ignore.

In the 1970s, when Woody Hayes and Archie Griffin were busy leading the Buckeyes to a 3-0-1 record against Michigan and four consecutive Rose Bowls, a young boy grew smitten with the big state school’s football program.

“I went to my backyard on Saturday afternoons after the noon kickoff and watched the game on ABC,” Coombs said. “Then I went into my backyard and replayed every down of that game in the leaves. Woody Hayes was my hero. The Ohio State Buckeyes were my team. I would fight you for the Buckeyes. That was who I was, and I’m proud to tell you that.

“I grew up an intense, intense fan. I can tell you about missed field goals and made field goals and stops on fourth downs.”

Now Coombs will be able to tell stories about when the Ohio State football team came to Cincinnati to extend Buckeye Nation’s borders 80 more miles.

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craigfling's picture

Does anyone know if the game will be shown on the internet anywhere? I'm overseas.
 

Kyle Rowland's picture

BTN2Go. It's also on Sirius and XM.

okiebuck's picture

BTN2Go only works for you if you already subscribe to the BTN at home where you live. I tried to get it during the B1G B-Ball tourney but no go. Guess I'll sit in my car and listen to some it on XM.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

b_pbucksfans's picture

If you are in or around columbus, 97.1 is airing it live on the radio.

Nappy's picture

I would fight you for the Buckeyes. That was who I was, and I’m proud to tell you that.

 
God I love that guy

Fan of bacon since 1981

WC Buckeye's picture

It's a GREAT day. It's GREAT day!

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

740 BUCKEYE's picture

I read that line and felt the same way. Glad he is where he belongs!

omahabeef1337's picture

Cincinnati is hardly a southern town. That said, there is no doubt it is culturally a city-state. I don't think people in Cincinnati (where I grew up) really identify strongly with Ohio, and definitely don't identify with Kentucky or Indiana.

btalbert25's picture

Yeah I think the notion that it's "southern" is pretty funny.  I live in NKY and can tell you at least in my part of NKY, there's nothing "southern" here.  Go down the road to Dry Ridge, or Williamstown, or a littler farther to Lexington and they may boast that they are southern, but I think folks in Alabama or Georgia would laugh at that notion.  Cincinnatians don't venture to Dayton much, and they don't like to venture south of the river either unless it's for work or they go to NKU or Thomas Moore or something. 
Comb's opinion of the westside is probably pretty accurate, though with Over-The-Rhine being converted to a cool place to hang out and expensive condos popping up in that section of the city, the problems that plagued that neighborhood have no moved to the westside in areas like Price Hill, Westwood, and other west side neighborhoods. 
I have always disagreed with people who thought Cincinnati didn't have a lot of Ohio State fans.  There are a lot of them.  I've spent saturday's in bars over there watching games with a majority pro Ohio State crowd.  NKY isn't Ohio State Friendly, but Cincinnati is.  There are bearcat and Irish fans in the town too, but Ohio State is well represented.
Cincinnati is hated in Ohio much like Louisville is hated by a lot of the state of Kentucky.  They are both unique places that have their own traditions and a deep love for their city.  The rest of the state doesn't much care for them because they are proud to be from their city.  Both cities have their own very large university that has had success in sports so there are large pockets of fans for that city.  I would still venture a guess though, that the major school from both states has just as many if not more fans than the university in the city.  Kentuckians accuse Louisville of being just like Indiana, but people in Jeffersonville or New Albany are very quick to point out they are not from Louisville.  It's funny, how similar the situations for Cincinnati and Louisville are.

Doc's picture

BT, Cincy is "southern" compared to the rest of the state.  Not compared to the true South, but from the perspective of the rest of Ohio it is southern.  My NW Ohio born wife asked why I had a southern accent when we first met.  I didn't know I had an accent, let alone southern.  Cincy is "south" compared to Cbus, or even T Town.
I grew up in Westwood, and now going back to see my parents(who still live in the house I grew up in) I need an armed guard and a Sherman tank.  Not a good spot. 

"Say my name."

Buckeyeneer's picture

I have lots of friends in Cincy and Louisville. I love visiting both cities and they do have a unique feel to them. I have heard people in both places make similar comments, BT. They are proud of their city and while they may not necessarily fit in with the rest of their respective states, they don't care. They do things their way and love it. If I were not so firmly entrenched in Cbus, I could see myself moseying down to either city to live.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

We have the same thing here in NC. Charlotte basically wants to be treated like it is its own state.
BT, are you going to the game tomorrow? We usually have a group of Buckeyes in the triangle that make an annual spring game pilgrimage but no one was able to make it this year.

cinserious's picture

Very well put and accurate btalbert25. However, actually people from cincy do have a reason to venture across the river: lots of liquor stores open till 3am. I know when I'm down there i usually make it to Kentucky.

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Jason Priestas's picture

What do they say about the 'Nati? It's America's southern-most northern city, and the northern-most southern city.

spqr2008's picture

The other thing said about Cincinnati is the Mark Twain(?) quote, "If the world ends tomorrow, I want to be in Cincinnati, because it's twenty years behind the times."
 
on another note, I hope the players enjoy all that Cinci cuisine.  Even though those places exist here in Columbus, it isn't the same.
 

GODOFWARBUCKEYE's picture

The Ohio State Buckeyes were my team. I would fight you for the Buckeyes. That was who I was, and I’m proud to tell you that.
NUFF SAID!!!!

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AngryWoody's picture

They say no man is an island, but when it comes to Cincy I don't know.

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Doc's picture

I grew up in Cincy and let me tell you, Columbus doesn't exist in their thinking.  When I was making my college choices coming out of high school my Dad told me Ohio State was to big and that you would have to take a bus to get from class to another and it would be impossible to get there on time.  We didn't even go up for a visit.  I decided to go to NKU and when I started to look at Dental Schools  the bus story came back up.  I figured this time was a good time to make the journey up I71 on my own.  The rest is history.  My parents to this day don't like OSU, even though my DDS came from there and I met my wife there.  Some people will never change.  I prefer Cbus over 'Nati, but Cincy is a nice town, if you can get passed the inbreddedness.  

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Kyle Rowland's picture

There are few things more overrated than the "Ohio State's campus is too large" argument. 

okiebuck's picture

You're right about that Kyle; way overrated; my daughter heard the same argument when she decided to go to U of Illinois with the buses and how big it is, blah blah, blah. You just have to put your big boy or girl pants on and handle it.

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Buckeye in Illini country's picture

U of I is huge (even more spread out than Ohio State, I think), but it has never been a problem for me as a grad student (granted I am tucked away in my office/ lab most of the time).

Columbus to Pasadena: 35 hours.  We're on a road trip through the desert looking for strippers and cocaine... and Rose Bowl wins!

spqr2008's picture

The thing about OSU is there aren't any real hills, so unlike UC, where going a half mile to class would be torture, at OSU it's an easy walk.

GregB's picture

"but Cincy is a nice town, if you can get passed the INBREDDEDNESS."
Which is why it is referred to as "southern".

cinserious's picture

Doc, if you grew up on the West Side, I can see your 'inbred' perspective. However, the West Side doesn't represent the whole of Cincinnati. The West Side is like a completely different city with its own culture and values and 'inbreddedness' especially Lower Price Hill. You can be born and raised in Cincy and never,ever step foot on the Westside. That said, the rest of the city does have pockets of inbreeders too like Norwood, Elmwood, Covington, etc. OTR and the East End used to be havens for inbreeders but like someone said earlier, those areas have/are being renovated to allow for more hipsters/yuppies and people with $$$ to move in and clean it up. Most of that trash has been pushed to... you guessed it, THE WEST SIDE!
Disclaimer: not responsible for any offense to the inbred culture or those from any of the aforementioned communities.

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BTBuckeye's picture

Blue Ash and other Suburbs

DefendOhio's picture

I've never really understood all the hate towards OSU down there in Cincy. I get you have UC, UK, Louisville and Notre Dame all within close proximity, but it still doesn't add up for me. As Kyle mentioned in the article, look at Toledo. It's as much a border town as Cincy is, yet it's a predominantly OSU town. I guess people north of Columbus have a lot more state pride. Even in Toledo. I am biased, but I feel regardless of where you went to school (U of Toledo grad here), OSU is the team that represents Ohio.
I've traveled all around the world and when I tell people I'm from Ohio the first thing they say is Ohio State. Ohio pride people! Okay, off my soapbox.

btalbert25's picture

I really don't believe people in Cincinnati hate Ohio State.  I've even met fans of Notre Dame from those big catholic high schools who say they enjoy seeing Ohio State do well.  You have UC fans that absolutely hate Ohio State, but they are little brother why wouldn't they?   You also have people who go to UC that are Ohio State fans.  UK fans believe there is some sort of rivalry with Ohio State, which I never quite understand that, but I rarely meet a UK fan on the Ohio side.  I've always felt people from Cincinnati have more hate toward UK than Ohio State.  I've heard for more arguments about UK and UC, then I've ever heard between UC/Ohio State folks.
 

Buckeyeneer's picture

Stop with the "little brother" comments BT! That's bad hoodoo! We saw what happened to TSUN when Hart made his "little brother" comments.
Now, I have to go sacrifice a chicken.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

btalbert25's picture

That's not my opinion, just stuff I've heard over the years.

Earle's picture

Yes, Jobu no like.  There's a KFC joke here somewhere, but I won't indulge.

Just say no to italics abuse.

penult's picture

I say f%$# you, Jobu. I do it myself.

CincyOSU's picture

I moved here from the Cbus area in 2000 attend college at UC, although my allegiance to OSU NEVER waivered...I remember wearing OSU gear in the UC student section during the 2002 game having beer thrown on me the entire game, and I loved every minute.
In any case, I never really noticed much animosity towards OSU until BK's first 10 win season...and then the flood gates opened. It was a constant barrage of attacks spearheaded by the lovely folks at 700wlw. The "lifelong" UC fans suddenly created this "reality" that OSU is scared of UC, looks down at UC, cheats, is overrated, has arrogant fans...take your pick. Kids that once wore OSU jerseys traded them in for the ridiculous bUCkeye State shirts. The school even jumped the gun one year and plastered "Ohio's BCS Team" propaganda all over campus, then had to take it down when OSU got an at large bid. The idiots at wlw take any chance they can get to knock on OSU and go out of their way to fuel the divide.
This fanbase has created their own fictional reality, one where OSU has always been afraid of UC because of something that happened in basketball before color TV's were invented. The funny thing to me, is when they talk about how awful our fan base is, yet fail to realize they are fast becoming one of those same fan bases they claim to hate so much.

Grant Miller's picture

I'm glad you mentioned those "bUCkeye State" shirts. There were quite a few UC fans at my suburban Dayton high school, and I saw way too many of those slogans. Just the memory of the shirt made our Sweet 16 win last year that much sweeter for me personally. 

toad1204's picture

Well said sir.  This is the case in my group of friends.  Having grown up in the cornfields north of Dayton, moving to Columbus for the the degree, and finally getting the job in Cincy, it's amazing how vast the differences in support are.  The majority of my friends north of Dayton respect and throw support to UC when they play, same with my Columbus friends.  My Cincy friends are on a whole other support system as the majorty went to UC and grew up in Cincy.  Of the two that did not one is from Toledo, he roots for both but is conflicted when they play each other usually pulling for OSU because of the chances for greatness are better a the end of season.  Another of the group went to UC lived in Cincy all his life and "F-ing hates OSU."  We've had it out a couple times.
Also as Coombs eluded to, the West Side could be its own little state.  People don't leave the West Side.  Its a way of life as is the infamous "Where did you go to school?" question.  They are not relating to your college choice its all about your high school which you will be judged on or asked who you know upon answering. 
 

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northcampus's picture

Regarding your mention of 'OSU has a better chance for greatness' is something that not too many people consider when looking at the pro-OSU support in all areas of Ohio outside of Cincinnati.  If UT/BG/Cleveland St/UD/YSU/OU or any other Ohio school had the talent or resources to compete (and even beat) OSU, do you think more of these people would actually be stronger supporters of their home city school than OSU (as is the case with many UC fans)?  
Not saying this is absolutely the case, but definitely something to consider when questioning where loyalties lie with Cincinnatians who are not (or used to be) OSU fans.

Grayskullsession's picture

Time for a Coombs to take over the skies of Cincinnati:

 

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

740 BUCKEYE's picture

Crazy thing is, there is no fuel in the plane. It is powered by the pure energy of Combs supplemented with Red Bull!!

D-Day0043's picture

There are tons of Ohio State fans around Cincinnati. You see Buckeyes gear everywhere. The Bearcats weren't relevant in anything other than basketball for years. The football team was terrible when I was growing up. A lot of people pull for them, myself included, but I have always known they are second tier and everyone knows who the big boys are when it comes to football.
I have  been a Buckeye fan for 30+ years and I never went to school there. Many of my High School friends did but I didn't go to college. Later in life I decided to go to college and I plan to move back to Ohio for a couple of years to get my masters so I can be an official alumni.
I don't understand the snobbery from the fan base. Some of you people act like you can't be a Buckeye fan if you are from southern Ohio. Maybe that attitude is what is getting under people's skin and causes them to not like the Buckeyes? It didn't used to be that way until UC started doing well in football.
I live in The heart of SEC country now, and I still wear my OSU gear loud and proud. When I cross the border into Ohio I always feel at home when I see all of the OSU gear. Hearing writers from the team I love take jabs at people from Southern Ohio acting like they can't be true fans pisses me off especially when I have to deal with these SEC idiots on a daily basis.
You writers are worried about the recruits lost in Cincinnati? What about the recruits that have been lost in Columbus or didn't get offers from OSU? You can't get them all. 

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DefendOhio's picture

The local papers don't even cover OSU. That speaks volumes. 

D-Day0043's picture

Who actually reads a newspaper anymore? 

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CincyOSU's picture

D-Day - There was zero snobbery from either side UNTIL UC started to gain success. At that point, instead of paying dues and EARNING respect, they wanted it immediately and began comparing EVERYTHING to OSU. You said it yourself, you no longer live in the area so you don't see what others do. Look at any article on a UC, or an OSU loss. The comments section, especially before they went to the facebook system, was filled with insults and call outs to OSU and the fan base. Did OSU make t-shirts mocking UC? Did OSU radio stations call out UC on a daily basis?
You can't keep poking papa bear and not expect him to get a little pissed off.

btalbert25's picture

I disagree.  I went to an Ohio State game in 2002.  We went out after the game and hung out at various different bars.  When people asked where we were from and we explained NKY, they immediately talked about how they didn't like Cincinnati, Cincinnati thinks they are better than the rest of the state, Cincinnati isn't Ohio, blah blah blah.  It didn't matter much to me because I don't live in Cincinnati, but I did say at least the first 2 things you see driving into town arent' a sewage plant and Landfill, to which the folks spouting off about Cincinnati said, well we are from Zanesville.

CincyOSU's picture

That's snobbery associated with provincial city pride, and the comments about Cincinnati are pretty accurate. While I do love living here, the general consensus is that everything in this area is better than everything else in the state. The chili is better, the ice cream is better, the ribs are better, the pizza it better...it goes on. I can see why you may have received those kinds of comments. I mean, you still have people that call Cbus a cowtown....a moniker that most definitely does not fit the current city. I have lived in both areas, and in my own experience neither school/fan base looked down on/resented the other until the 2007 season. When you have current UC fans who used to be OSU fans, it kind of speaks volumes for the situation.

btalbert25's picture

Isn't that how every hometown is though?  I also think there was definitely arrogance on the Ohio State side of things long before UC was good.  When they started scheduling UC 11 or 12 years ago, we were throwing little brother a bone.  When UC almost beat Ohio State in 2002, it was because their players dreamed of playing for OHio State and that was their national title, playing against Ohio State.  Like somehow a game in September was the most important thing UC would be playing for all year, and it was a chance for these guys who weren't good enough for Ohio State to take a shot at the school who ignored them.  These were all comments I heard not only in the stands that day but just comments other fans made when talking about that game after the fact.  

spqr2008's picture

The pizza is about equal for major local stores, but Columbus has a deeper roster than Cincinnati of high quality pizza joints.  I grew up in Cincy and went to OSU, so maybe I'm biased.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

This is my breakdown of Cincinnati. I was born and raised on the West Side, attended 13 years of Catholic school (including 4 years at one of the GCL South schools). Now I live downtown.

BTalbert is right that Cincy isn't as anti-OSU as people think. Most of the east side and northern suburbs (West Chester, Mason, Loveland) are very OSU friendly (and that's most of Cincy's population), central Cincy is pretty neutral, as is downtown, and Kentucky is somewhat indifferent. I will say that in my opinion, the West Side is still largely anti-OSU, but it has gotten better in recent years. However, the West Side is the home of the most avid sports fans; the talk radio callers and what not. So that in itself makes Cincy seem much more anti-OSU than it is in reality. With La Salle grad DeVier Posey having played at OSU and with longtime Colerain Coach Kerry Coombs now coaching, the northwest side of the city is warming up to OSU, but is still very much a UC/Notre Dame area.

D-Day0043's picture

I think that is fairly accurate. I am from the east side and there are tons of OSU fans and even the occasional scUM fan.

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blazers34's picture

eastsider here.  There are OSU flags all over my 'hood, including my flag

CincyBuckeye04's picture

I am a westsider and I totally agree with your comments. I haven't lived anywhere else in Cincy except the westside so it makes sense that my perception is skewed by how my friends and family to some extent view OSU.

Doc's picture

Humble, I think you nailed it.  I grew up in Westwood and it was very anti OSU.  They care more about High School football and basketball than anything else.  Granted I left back in 1992, so things may have changed.
I know this is a very Cincy question, but where did you go to school?  Both grade school and High?  I graduated from Roger Bacon in 1988.

"Say my name."

btalbert25's picture

Living in NKY, I can definitely say there isn't indifference toward Ohio State.  I go to a local bar to watch games now and then.  The manager is a Buckeye fan and there is a group of diehards that go in to watch games all the time.  The UK fans that come in(mostly old men) talk shit about Ohio State the whole time we are watching the game.  They get pissed that Ohio State is on the huge TV in the middle of the bar, and not on one of the side TV's, they talk about the SEC non stop.
I've never understood this perceived rivalry, I guess it really came about with the losses to Florida and LSU, but it existed before that too.  Heard a ton of BS about the call in the 2002 title game.  Growing up, there were a lot of Notre Dame and Michigan (of all teams) fans around here too.  I went to a catholic school so I understand the Notre Dame love.  Michigan never made much sense. 
 

BuckNKY's picture

BT - which bar?  Florence resident here...

Buckeye in Illini country's picture

I think you definitely hit the nail on the head.  I'm an east-sider; went to one of the GCL schools not in the GCL South.  The east side loves OSU/ UC equally (with a slight edge to UC which makes sense). 
I think my brother is a good case in point.  He is a big fan of both schools but if he had to choose he would choose UC over OSU; while I as an alum of OSU obviously would do the opposite.
He cheers for his city of Cincinnati first over the state of Ohio, which I find to be pretty accurate of people as a whole in Cincinnati.

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BuckNKY's picture

Very accurate.  Born and raised west side.  Graduated HS in a class of 612 in 1993 (for the other west-siders, Oak Hills High School), of which I was one of about 5 to go on to OSU.  Very Notre Dame, very UC over there.

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Blue Ash kid here.  Growing up it was all OSU/ Mich for football, and UC for basketball at school.  Most UC fans out there like both, because from 2001-2006 we sent an avg of 125 to OSU from Sycamore High, and another hundred odd to UC.

osu07asu10's picture

LOL some of these comments...inbredness, Cincitucky...

Made this Clevelander's day

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D-Day0043's picture

Cleveland... The mistake on the lake?

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DefendOhio's picture

One of the reasons I'm glad to associate with Cleveland. There is no doubt we love our Buckeyes. Columbus north. 

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No, he meant Cleveland, the metro area that sends a pipeline of top talent down I-71 annually.

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osu07asu10's picture

Exactly, SHARKS!

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D-Day0043's picture

Not the Cleveland Browns that suck every year?

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Earle's picture

Troy Smith.  Ted Ginn.  Donte Whitner.  Anthony Gonzalez (just to name a few).
You're welcome.

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CincyBuckeye04's picture

I've lived in Cincy the majority of my life (sans the four years I spent at OSU), and I can honestly say I have never felt like Cincy is an OSU town whatsoever. We definitely have a decent fan base down here (and it's growing), but the vocal dissent to OSU has steadily grown since UC football became somewhat relevant (HA!) again. I agree with CINCYOSU in that 700WLW definitely had a hand in alot of that manufactured hate-fest. I'm starting to see alot more kids from my high school (Elder) go to OSU and am starting to see alot more OSU gear around the city as well. This is obviously a great thing. I can say that the momentum is trending upwards from my perspective. The fact that we are having our spring game down at PBS and all UC has is an open practice makes me very happy!

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Btw, while we're on the topic of Cincinnati...
Waycracken... did you see what Jaleel Hytchye has already run so far this year? 21.51 in the 200M and 10.73 in the 100M. I was at the meet the other day where he went 10.73. It looked like he was on his way to 10.4 (I believe Saine's state record is 10.39 IIRC), but he pulled up with a cramp about 30 meters before the finish line and still clocked 10.73 (fully automated timing). His coach scratched him from his remaining events that day. I knew Hytchye would be faster this year. Very surprised OSU didn't have any interest in him. Probably because he was used out of place on the field. Should have been playing some WR and returning kicks instead of just playing DB.

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It's ironic that Kyles' article is based on why Cincinnati may not be as warm towards OSU as other cities in Ohio, yet the entire article is filled with occasion micro-invalidations and/or micro-aggressions towards either the city/UC, that while subtle, are the exact reason while Cincinnatians/UC fans have issues with Ohio State!  
Ohio State should celebrate any sort of relationship with UC (good or bad) instead of insisting it's a 'zero-sum game' to even bother with a collaboration between the schools.  As far the minimal academic presence from Cincinnatians at OSU, many kids stay around and go to Miami/UC/XU because the companies in downtown Cincy recruit heavily from these three schools.  In terms of marketing, there is literally no OSU exposure/advertising in Cincinnati.  In regard to the media, I have had multiple local media people (Daughtery, McAllister, etc) tell me that OSU's sports info department is not easy to work with and/or doesn't make much of an effort to broaden exposure into Cincinnati (and if you think they're biased, remember Daughtery's son is a recent OSU grad).  Meyer is working on fixing these issues, so I am confident that you'll see more OSU advocating from local media moving forward.
You should have CincyOSU or BTAlberts write this article as their commentary is spot on in regard to the current reality of the Cincinnati-Ohio State dynamic.  The HumbleBuckeye's map is pretty dead on as well except that he needs to add in a blue area for the Hamilton area since about 50% or more of these people are UK fans.
If any of you people think Cincinnati is the most 'southern' area of Ohio, please take a drive over to anywhere in southeast Ohio this weekend and spend a day or two immersed in the appalachian culture of SE Ohio and let me know if you still feel that way after the visit.
And while I love my friends and family in Toledo, Columbus, and Cleveland, I can find a fair amount of questionable characters in any of these towns/surrounding areas, so to see people from Cleveland or Toledo or Columbus making comments about Cincinnatians being rednecks or imbreds is pretty comical.  It's probably just as bad as Michiganders attempting to talk down to Ohioans (especially Michiganders who live in the SE part of Michigan).
Urban Meyer is doing the right thing by attempting to mend this relationship and move forward with a stronger unit of cities all across Ohio.  The rest of the fanbase should follow suit.
-Ohio (and Cincinnati) Proud-
-northcampus

Doc's picture

North, I've read the entire thread and not once has someone wrote that people from Cincy are "rednecks".  I wrote inbrededness, and from my childhood growing up in Westwood it is spot on.  Hell Coombs said it himself, you grow up on the west side you don't leave.  You go to the same H.S. as your parents and your kids and their kids will do the same thing.  You marry a girl that you went to H.S. with and on and on it goes.  I call it inbreeding.  I now live in Bowling Green and people from this corner of the state visit other areas of the state.  We go to Cbus, or Cleveland.  We even venture north at times to visit the Mitten state.  Believe it or not, but Cincy is in a bubble and that is the way they like it.  As far as the cities in Ohio goes it IS southern, but Cincinnatian's don't want to be from the South.  It is a strange place, I didn't fully understand it until I left.  In my experiences when you leave and don't move back they look at you like some sort of turn coat defector.  I think it is in the H2O. 

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btalbert25's picture

You admittedly talk about your experience as a westsider though.  The westside doesn't represent the whole of Cincinnati. On the Westside it is a lot like Combs said, but hell you yourself are an example that not everyone stays in the Westside forever.  I know guys from Anderson and the east side of town who absolutely left town for college(several to Ohio State) who moved back to town after college but not necessarily the same neighborhood.  I know some who moved elsewhere too.  I don't think it's abnormal, though, for the majority of folks to go back home after college.  I think that's why there was always that Westside/Eastside rivalry.  The culture is completely different.
 

cinserious's picture

One positive relationship between OSU and Cincinnati is Paul Keels. He does Buckeye radio games and the occasional Reds game. Maybe Urban can capitalize on this aspect as well to help mend the rift between the cities.

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drumsontheside's picture

I don't want to write a book, but we'll see what happens. 
The notion that people from Cincy don't go to Dayton is wrong, as my friends and family loved the Dayton Mall/Miamisburg area as well as the Green as much as we love Newport/Tri-County/and Kenwood.
I never thought there was a lack of OSU support in the greater Cincy area until moving to OSU and hearing everyone and their mother from the rest of the state complain.
Xaiver, UK, and UL are present, but that is because of their BB only. UK fans are everywhere. There are Duke fans in Columbus, get over it. However, many friends and family from Kentucky are die-hard UK BB fans and die-hard OSU FB fans. Only until recently has this become a conflict of interest, as OSU BB was not big anywhere, including Cbus.
The main problem is UC, whom I hate just as much as you do, but remember that their actions are pretty normal for a school that size. Anyone care to remember when we played Toledo at the Browns stadium? Well I do, and I was on the field and I clearly remember Toledo fans heckling and booing the band and team. Granted, there werent as many of them so it was pretty much a home game, but still. Other schools root for themselves on a local pride issue. If Columbus State had a football team, you can bet your lunch money that they would have fans that would root for them over OSU, as stupid as that sounds.
I find that there is much hatred for Cincy due to the Reds and Bengals not being named Tribe and Browns, which is hilarious to me since it is very true that the Cleveland pro sports are irrelevant and uninteresting to us from Cincy. You are not our rival in any stretch of thie mind. In fact, it is a general rule that we root for all Ohio pro sports in post-season/not head-to-head games. The same cannot be said for the Cleveland fans that I have met in the last 5 years. Maybe I've met a minority, but that's what I've seen. 
Which sort of leads to my point, I think that most of you have only had encounters with people from the dead center of Cincinnati (check out that map up there, it's pretty real) who are very outspoken. You don't have any actual perspective about the suburbs and what the masses actually think, but the few outlying examples you have are quickly spread by word-of-mouth until the whole state starts to say hilarious claims such as Cincinnati is a 'southern' city and not 'midwestern.' This starts to eat at us Cincy Buckeyes until we start to almost feel the same way about you all. Instead, we should just all get along and enjoy the great institutions of The State of Ohio and The Ohio State University. 
P.S. One of my favorite parts of Eleven Warriors is getting to hear from you all about your parts of Ohio (and the US) and the cool places to eat, grab a drink, or sight-see. I haven't been higher up than Cbus many times, but from your posts I can't wait to see it all!

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I would disagree with your statement about Cincy fans rooting for Ohio pro sports teams in the playoffs.  My first fall on campus was in 2007 when the Tribe were in the playoffs and heard a lot of comments wearing my tribe gear out to parties from "Reds" fans, I thought it was strange since the two teams are in different leagues and the Reds weren't in the post season that year. That being said all my friends I met from cincy at OSU are as die hard of buckeye fans as you could get.  With the whole bUCkeye state thing I didn't pay any attention to it, but they hated it and hearing from all the uc people back home.

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GV9's picture

The three major cities in Ohio could just as well be in different countries.  Totally different cultures and mindsets.  Cincinnati and Cleveland might as well be on different planets from each other, such is the interaction between them.     

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Urb ROCKED that midriff mesh jersey. I'd like to see some throw backs in that style. Tear away, of course. I grew up in Toledo during the 70's and I'd say it was about 70/30 in favor of the Bucks. It was always fun going to the bars for THE GAME and jawing back and forth with the weasel fans. One bar always handed out roses to fans of the winning team. Good times.

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Dougger's picture

I have to say that Toledo is probably split down the middle with TTUN and buckeyes gear from what I've seen.. growing up and graduating high school from there (the weekend of the sweet 16/elite 8 where ttun beat kansas was insufferable, so much pee colored stuff at bier stube on Monroe). Players from there are not a lock - TE Kevin Koger is a recent one that comes to mind (although I didn't ever want him to play for OSU; ran against him in track and he thought he was a tough guy, which he wasn't), Jordan Kovacs too
Secondly I agree with northcampus about exposure and OSU in the 'nasty - I was down there a couple weeks ago to meet Norman Reedus from The Walking Dead (nice guy), and there was no coverage to be seen the whole weekend parousing about the town.
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Buckeye Chuck's picture

“It is true that when you live in Cincinnati, you kind of become insulated from the rest of the world for whatever reason,” said Coombs...

I talked about this once before when the topic of "Cincinnati vs. the Buckeyes" came up, but I think it's less that Cincinnati is insulated from the rest of the world, but that arising on a state border and on a river, it's always seen itself as very tied in to the rest of the world. Its historic rivals were places like St. Louis and Pittsburgh, not other parts of Ohio, which were too hard to get to and weren't significant besides.
When you're talking about Ohio State, you also can't ignore that for older Cincinnatians, the notion of Columbus as twice the size of the Queen City (which it now is) seems almost unbelievable. The dismissals/hatred of OSU is related to the wider fear that their "major league" city is slowly being eclipsed by a town many of them grew up never giving a second thought to. 
You also see this attitude from some Clevelanders--I remember the scorn 30 years ago when Columbus first surpassed Cleveland as the largest city in Ohio--but it's also obvious that the digs at "Cowtown" from NE Ohio don't extend to indifference to the Buckeyes, let alone dislike of them. I'm not sure I have a good explanation for that, unless it's the lack of anything in the Cleveland area analogous to UC (and UK, when it comes to basketball) in a sports sense.

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buckeyenut10's picture

Montgomery Inn, Skyline and Graeters

 
Those three right there should be enough for anyone on the fence about going to take the trip (and yes, there is a difference between Skyline/Graeters in Cincinnati vs eating it in Cbus).

osu07asu10's picture

Graeters and skyline are chain restaurants, that's like saying yes its different shopping in a Kroger in cincy than cbus

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buckeyenut10's picture

I am aware they are chain restaurants, but I can assure you eating at Skyline in Cincy is a different experience than eating it elsewhere. Several other people from the Cincinnati area have also confirmed that they find something "different" while eating it up here at OSU.

CincyOSU's picture

This is exactly the provincial attitude many are talking about. There is nothing different about the food, you just are in a city other than Cincinnati. That's like saying eating at a Wendy's in Cincy is different than in Cbus. It's almost as if people are upset that their "cincinnati" food can be found elsewhere.
I for one love the fact I can eat Skyline when I come home. It still tastes delicious no matter where I eat it.

osu07asu10's picture

Thank you!

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thatlillefty's picture

I'm from the east side, and grew up loving the Reds, Ohio State football and UC basketball.
 

btalbert25's picture

Can't believe in all this Cincinnati Talk no one has mentioned Goetta

Buckeye in Illini country's picture

I grew up never having it; my mom thought we wouldn't like it so we would always just have sausage (such as Bob Evans or Jimmy Dean) instead for breakfast.
It wasn't until late high school or even at OSU that I tried it.  Goetta is some good stuff, and for that I am angry at my mom.

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Man I never did care much for goetta. I always thought it tasted bland.

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harleymanjax's picture

Damn you!........now I'm drooling all over my laptop!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

AngryWoody's picture

The sports casters here hate OSU. Namely this guy: (turd)
I heard a caller call his show and ask why he didn't talk about OSU more, and Broo started in on this "You entitled OSU fans, this is our city and you suck". I think he even went so far as to compare us to the Yankees and whatnot. It's the same with Vogel and the rest. If OSU does anything in the Enquirer it is on like the fourth page of the sports section. There are a lot of OSU fans here but the local media acts like it's their duty to keep OSU out of "their city".

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btalbert25's picture

Broo and McAlister are the worst.  Of course, Lance always talks about taking his kids to UC games and stuff like that so he's a major homer.  I don't know that I've ever heard the guys on Channel 9 recapping games and knocking Ohio State though.  Broo definitely hates them and McAlister loves to get OHio State fins riled up. 

penult's picture

I find all this banter interesting, because I grew up somewhere in between Columbus and Cincinnati.  Huge Ohio State fan. Huge Reds fan. That's how it was in the whole family.  I had no idea people in Cincinnati hated Ohio State until I moved there.  It's still somewhat confusing because my family has always rooted for all the Ohio teams (except Miami, maybe).

harleymanjax's picture

Eastsider here.....Anderson High School class of 91
That map is pretty much spot on, I think the perceived hatred of OSU is completely related to the Westside's blind loyalty to UC and Notre Dame, I think there are more Xavier fans on the eastside and since they have no football team many of them are Buckeye football fans

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klfeck's picture

For anyone who doesn't think there is a ton of hate in cincy for OSU, let a native cincinnatian assure you there is no shortage. I think most of it comes from envy. If it were just pride in their local school, there would be no need to hate the state school.

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thowen79's picture

I've lived in a small town in NW Ohio my whole life and honestly don't know much about the whole Cincy vs. the rest of the state thing. I do know that the three times I've ventured into SEC country (TN, AL, LA) I always feel relieved and feel "at home" the second I cross over the OH line and into Cincinnati.

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God, I love Coach Coombs so much. My roomie is from Cincinnati, and I can guarantee you that he is no OSU fan. Not only is he a Bearcat fan, he's one of the legion spelling our acronym with a dollar sign (O$U). The Queen City is a hard nut to crack, so any headway we get there is a win, IMO.

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