Warinner is No Walrus

By Chad Peltier on June 7, 2012 at 4:00p
26 Comments
Brilliant steal from Notre Dame No tusks and whiskers here.

Lately there has been a bit of doom and gloom around here surrounding Urban missing out on some elite O-line recruits.

It seems like every other day we get worked up on the forums over some elite offensive lineman committing to another other school. I mean, Urban is the god of recruiting, so how could he possibly miss out on any elite recruit? 

One of the most recent theories is that elite offensive linemen just don't like playing in spread offenses, instead preferring one back, or I-formation based attacks like Michigan (in theory) and Alabama. 

Another theory argues that Urban Meyer hasn't had a great track record when it comes to producing high first round NFL talent (though the Pouncey twins would certainly disagree). 

Alex has answered this question from a recruiting standpoint many times now, responding that Meyer simply offers about three times the number of recruits as Tress ever did, so it's only logical that we'll also get more misses in this era. 

Further, I'd like to remind you of a simple, beautiful truth: the tyrannical walrus is no more. 

It's the OL coach, not the head coach

Bring me Solo and the Wookie. They will all suffer for this outrage. Doesn't make a good offensive lineman

While it's certainly fair to say that getting to the NFL is one of many high schools blue chippers' top priorites when choosing a school, I'd argue that recruits are looking not only at how the head coach has done, but the offensive line coach more specifically. 

The good news is that we have a really, really excellent coach on the offensive line that kids are going to want to play for. 

It's not just ABB (Anyone But Bollman) either - Notre Dame fans freaked out pretty heavily when it became clear Warinner was leaving. Enjoy some schedenfreude from poster ndboz: 

This (losing Warinner) is going to hurt all around... Just look at what the recruits are saying.... I really hope this doesn't screw our recruiting class... Kelly better pull some magic out of his hat and reach out to all the O line and RB commits ASAP!!!!

Not to mention the fact that this directly resulted in Taylor Decker's decommitment from Notre Dame and commitment here.

It's for good reason, as his linemen at Notre Dame last year produced some great stats - 7/7 on 4th downs, 7 games with zero sacks given up, and averaging 1.08 sacks per game. These led to his nomination as offensive line coach of the year

Warinner is also known as a fantastic recruiter as well

Warriner is a big loss though. He was one of the reasons why the offensive line played so well and why the run game was dramatically improved this season. He was also a big asset in the recruiting game and there are several Irish commits who are not happy that he is leaving, but all of them are expected to remain committed.

While it's true the players seemed to always love Bollman, Warinner is clearly a huge improvement in both recruiting, training, and playcalling. 

All spreads are not created equal

The second argument is something along the lines of elite recruits not wanting to play in spread offenses because spread offenses require smaller, lighter, but faster linemen who won't get drafted. 

There is a misperception that just because the spead is designed to produce a numbers advantage in the ground game, each individual player doesn't need to be NFL-elite, just fast. They point to offensive lines like the one Ohio State met last in the Rose Bowl against Oregon, which we've described as "a smaller, quicker bunch that does not give up many sacks." 

However, as we've heard before, all spread offenses are not created equal. Meyer's offense is significantly based on older one-back power rushing games, just based out of the shotgun. Meyer's teams still require road grading linemen, just not overweight and lazy ones.

While Warinner's linemen certainly have gotten leaner since last season (except for Reid Fragel), it was more out of necessity. There will certainly not be any In-N-Out Burger and beer-filled Jabba the Hutts trying to block under the new regime:

We had to get leaner. We put them on a diet and leaned out. They also must adjust to using a two-point stance, a new cadence, a new numbering system, a no-huddle look.

Not to mention the fact that Meyer can boast about his six offensive linemen from Florida currently in the NFL. 

Further, a lot of the size differences between Oregon's offensive line (for example) and others' simply has to do with the overall caliber of recruits teams like Oregon bring in, especially before Oregon burst on to the national stage in 2010. The spread's numbers advantage helps teams with inferior talent compensate and compete with teams with more talent. The scheme certainly does not stunt players' growth by itself. 

So rest assured, Buckeye fans. There's nothing about Urban or the spread that is killing our O-Line recruiting. Urban will bring in elite offensive linemen, it'll just take some time. 

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toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

I'm not worried about the OL. Bollman demanded so little out of them. That's why they liked him. Its's 1000% different now and Buckeye fans should be thrilled.

Nick's picture

Bollman practice was loading them into a van and taking them to golden corral 

BuckeyeSki's picture

All you had to say was that Warinner uses the blocking sled and that would be a HUGE improvement over Jim Bolrus

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jmoody's picture

Warinner was the Hire I was most excited about.

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Ahh Saturday's picture

Alex Boone, Connor Smith, Mike Brewster, JB Shuggarts, and Mike Adams were all 5* recruits that committed to OSU under Bollman's reign of meh.  Of that group, only Mike Adams was even drafted into the NFL.  Smith was an obvious bust, but were the others all that overrated, or perhaps they didn't learn anything from their position coach in college.

Mush's picture

Or what about all the Average Walrus O Linemen (AWOL) that are/were  at least serviceable in the NFL with proper coaching.

Triv's picture

Question for Alex or anyone with info:
Do we accept the commitment of both Peterson AND one of Meadows/Coverdale/Welsh should they want to commit before Khaliel Rodgers' announcement 6/30? With the limited numbers, unless Dorian Johnson and Rodgers both commit along with Peterson, I just can't see us taking 4 OL this year unless multiple of them are elite (i.e. Johnson, Rodgers). Would be interested to 11w thoughts.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

tennbuckeye19's picture

Thats a good question Triv. Rodgers is supposed to be visiting 6/14-16 and then Johnson is supposed to be coming to camp 6/21-23. So if Meadows/Coverdale/Welsh get offered this weekend, I wonder how the staff will handle their possible commitments. Rodgers is visiting Auburn for the second time, so he clearly likes them, which makes me think Urban is gonna need to really sell OSU to him while he's in town. It will definitely be interesting to see how this plays out.

Northbrook's picture

I'm not sure the Staff considers Rodgers or Johnson elite. I know they supposedly have offers but I'm not sure Staff will wait on offering somebody else until they hear from them.

Triv's picture

They are far and away the best 2 OL on our board 

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Still kinda shocked Brewster didn't get drafted. But then again, Molk was projected to be a 1St or 2nd rounder too....so that says something about this year's draft. I bet Mike wished he went to the NFL last season after all that happened last season and the draft.

And did Warriner say they had to get used to a new cadance? I think he meant to say get used to one all together...

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BenArazi4's picture

 
 
I think this article was classless

 

 

 

Poison nuts's picture

Would you mind if I asked why? No static or nothing just wanted to know if you'll elaborate?

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

BenArazi4's picture

 
 
The Walrus reference, etc.  Didn't even read it, not a fan of Bollman, and definitely not a fan of Tressel, in fact as a coach I couldn't stand Tressel but I think the Walrus reference from a professional site such as eleven warriors would put out a better product.  I would not put them on blast like that.  If they're going to do it, might as well put Tressel on blast and write an article about how selfish he was getting paid millions a year to hire his family and friends who weren't even qualified.  So many people can't see through it, but his cupcake schedule and superior talent to teams we played is what got him the "esteemed" title many think he deserves but many can't see through the fact that we probably would have a couple more national championships if he were to actually hire the best men for the job and put the university in front of who he "wanted to work with" and see day in and day out.

 

 

 

703Buckeye's picture

The Walrus nickname has been around for a long time, it hasn't always been an insult. I don't see the problem in 11W using the name.

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capn's picture

Who would you pive hired before Tressel?

Capn, Make It So...

Seth4Bucks's picture

OSU may have played some cupcakes and Tressel contributed to this by wanting to play at least one Ohio team each season. It's not like OSU was alone in scheduling cupcakes as just about every other program scheduled cupcakes as well. But the crowd becomes a lot smaller when you start looking for programs that scheduled home and aways with the likes of USC, Texas, Cal, Miami, Oklahoma, etc.
Every season there'd be a marquee matchup with another top flight program from a BCS conference and there are very very few programs who did that on a yearly basis. Sure, some of the matchups that looked great years ago when they were scheduled lost some luster due to a program stumbling a bit. As a CFB fan I'd want to see a lot more of these OOC matchups, not just from OSU but from other programs as well. But all in all, I can't fault OSU's scheduling. At least they're trying to bring a big name in.

poop's picture

Just shows how frustrated we were having (on average) a terrible offense and offensive line. Bollman was terrible and ripping on him is like therapy.

Jdadams01's picture

Jim, is that you?

Poison nuts's picture

That's what I was thinking.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

Chad Peltier's picture

In no way was this intended to be an attack on Bollman. The walrus is simply his commonly used nickname. Instead, I think most of us are simply excited for a new offense and new personnel. Warinner looks like a fantastic coach and one that offense line recruits will want to play for because of his history of developing players for the NFL. 

 

Drgld's picture

Nice photo.  With a block M shirt, it could be called Brady the Hut.

ARMYBUCK's picture

@Benarazi4,  Ok, I guess I get your point if you practice what you preach.  Why do you turn around and start digging on Tress.  Theres been plenty of articles about Tress and people have done just that, even though I dont agree with it.  You say " I wouldnt put them on blast".  Well then dont.  The mans paid for his sins.  Let a sleeping dog lie.

cinserious's picture

First of all, there never was and never will be anything wrong with blasting bollman given his track record. However with tressel, its a love/hate thing because hes done so much for osu like winning the first NC in 35 yrs., and his dominance over the qweers up north.however, his stubbornness and inability to let go of his friends/family has caused much dislike of him. All in all, its good to have tressel in the rearview mirror most especially because of bolls. (his loyalty to an incompetent led to his 'death').

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razrback16's picture

So glad Bollman was fired in January!