OSU Reported 46 Secondary Violations in Previous Year

By 11W Staff on May 17, 2012 at 11:04p

Doug Lesmerises of The Plain Dealer, doing public records work:

None of the violations, among the 46 reported in 21 sports since May 30 of last year, are a big deal on their own, nothing close to the major violations that threw the football program into turmoil during 2011. The violations were released to The Plain Dealer on Thursday in response to a records request filed to Ohio State on April 18 for all NCAA violations committed by the school's athletic department dating back to May 30, 2011. That was the date on which former football coach Jim Tressel was forced to resign.

What does "nothing close to major" mean, exactly?

  • Urban Meyer telling Noah Spence "good luck" as he walked past him before a prep playoff game.
  • Mike Vrabel chewing tobacco on the sidelines during games.
  • Basketball team video coordinator Greg Paulus actively coaching players during a Big Ten semifinal blowout win over Michigan. [Ed - Okay, this one may be worth violating at every opportunity. Seeing your video coordinator lead a 22-point throttling of the Sun and Blue is kind of priceless.]
  • Stan Drayton accidentally sending a text message instead of an email.

However, one secondary violation was a little troubling from a they should have known what they were doing standpoint:

Athletic director Gene Smith and alumni association CEO Archie Griffin recorded a personalized video for football recruit Ezekiel Elliott for his official campus visit on March 31. Recruiting videos are forbidden.

The video, which first appeared on this site on April 2nd, was quickly pulled from YouTube. Likely because your athletic director, of all people, should know that making a recruiting video is not really a good idea.

Other than that, the violations are pretty routine and if nothing else, illustrate the insanity that is the NCAA rulebook.


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RedStorm45's picture

46 seems like a lot...Alabama self-reported 44 over a two year period which was revised to 36 (but that's a two year span, not one year).
I remember seeing that video thinking WTF...clearly compliance has its head up its a** or NO ONE along the way thought it was wrong.  Thanks, Gene.

rdubs's picture

meh not gray box worthy...

millertime2011's picture

wait, so urban not only "bumped" dodson, he also wish a kid good luck!!!!!!!! What a slimeball!!!

FlapJackson's picture

Nothing like a gray box scare to get the blood flowing. My heart skips a beat anytime I see "OSU" and "NCAA" in the same sentence.

biggy84's picture

WTF is The Plain Dealer doing by searching for this info? They mad that they didn't get to destroy before? They aren't satisfied with the last year of turmoil, so they need to find more? Total bullshit by a scandal driven media! 

703Buckeye's picture

Chill out, biggy84. Doug was just doing his reporting, he was not trying to smear OSU, or anything like that.

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

JakeBuckeye's picture

Its always a smear job with our fan base. Always.

pcon258's picture

no reason to knock him for doing his job. he is paid to report on the buckeyes, not write only positive articles about them. he didn't do anything worthy of reprimand

ShadyBuckeye's picture

46 does sound like alot but there werent 46 football violations, thats the whole athletic department, and if saying "good luck" to a player before a game that ur there to scout and getting cream cheese on ur bagel is a violation then you probably shouldnt take the final number too seriously. not to mention if there was even a single violation that was news worthy you would've heard about it on a 3 hour special report marathon on ESPN.

southbymidwest's picture

Chewing tobacco on the sidelines ia a violation? Are you kidding me? What, are they worried a coach might accidentally mistake an opposing player for a spit cup? Or is the NCAA worried that coaches with a pinch are bad moral influences on impressionable young men as tobacco is evil? But yeah, that video was boneheaded, what was Smith thinking?

Jason Priestas's picture

Fred Pagac had a chew in non-stop during his 22 years in Columbus as a coach. I had no idea that was a violation, either.

southbymidwest's picture

Considering how many baseball and lacrosse players chew, i would have thought that the chewing tobacco violations would have been much higher. It is absolutely disgusting though.

AeroBuckeye2001's picture

I suppose a coach needs to set a good example, and these "kids" are impressionable enough to start putting that junk in their mouths if someone like their assistant coach does it. But good thing that banging your young assistant that was hired without merit and giving her $20k isn't worthy of secondary violation status. Otherwise, the NCAA might lose some of their credibility.

The Ohio State University Class of 2001

BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

Maestro's picture

Nothing major.  Good enough for me.

vacuuming sucks

rampageripster's picture

I'm thinking that the video itself was ok, but as soon as it got onto youtube it wasn't ok because it is a public mention of a non-signed recruit by a representative of the the university... I can't see how the video is any different than if Archie and Gene were actually in the room, and the AD and Alumni Director are most definitely allowed to talk to recruits... Some moron probably thought it was super cool and tossed it on youtube... they are most likely now unemployed
Ninja EDIT: Apparently not... according to the bylaw, personalized recruiting videos are not permissable... seems like Gene was misinformed... so two dropped balls in making it personalized and then posting it online... only issue I could really see from these violations is if the NCAA gets pissy and looks in preventing Elliot from signing due to being mentioned by a representative of the university before signing (but this would be EXTREME even by NCAA standards)

Cause I couldn't go for three

jkrk's picture

Aww shucks, I just hope Gene doesn't fire me.

biggy84's picture

The simple point i was making was that the headline would be enough for people to jump to assumptions without regard to the facts. If espin simply runs the headline of 46 violations, more ridicule is sure to follow. If it's not such a big deal, why even publish it? You don't think that putting a large number with the article wasn't meant to sensationalize it?

CowCat's picture

So ... After Tatgate ... After Gene Smith publicly hung Tressel out to dry ... Gene Smith tries to bend the rules with a recruit ... While we're on probation?


It's time for him to move on.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

kareemabduljacobb's picture

NCAA sucks.  Really, can't tell a recruit "good luck"?  Hmmmm, I'd like to see where all the cash revenues are going.  FBI investigate those b@stards!!  Let the players get their $chedda$

M Man's picture

So; nothing about 15 minutes of stretching before practice as a Countable Athletically-Related Activity?  You boys are sooooooo lucky. 

Another Jason's picture

I remember hearing secondary violation totals ALL THE TIME before "Tat-gate" (are we really still calling it that? sigh).  Relax everybody.  Just because other schools have lower secondary reports doesn't mean they have lower violations.  OSU has long been known to be dilligent about reporting this stuff.

joel121270's picture

Good Luck!
Hey, I said "GOOD Luck"
WTF man, I SAID "GOOD LUCK".....
That is totally hilarious

BuckeyeBacker98's picture

OSU needs to fire Gene Smith...YESTERDAY!
And someone needs to delete his Youtube account.  At least he didn't post a Youtube video to address the violation he committed and posted on Youtube.

biggy84's picture

As predicted, espin now has this on their scroll with a very scandalized description. Still innocent little story?

spqr2008's picture

Why do you even pay attention to the TMZ of sports media, eSECpn?  They just want ratings, so I just cut off cable.  Now I go to a bar for games, and support our local businesses with my former cable money.

Jim's picture

Smtih must have something on Gee....why else would they allow him to remain as head of the ship.  What an idiot...how did he not know what he did constituted a violation?

RedStorm45's picture

I thought the new compliance staff might have, you know, done their job and stepped in...

tankman's picture

they catch the small stupid stuff and miss payments for no work and luxury "loaner" cars for weeks at a time.  Hmm