The Dark Knight

By Ramzy Nasrallah on April 17, 2012 at 1:58p
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Tom Bosley, Fred Flintstone & Rosie O'Donnell enter a room. One man leaves.

Ed: I do realize Johnny wrote about Michigan just yesterday. I was sick the day they taught checking the Editorial Calendar in journalism school.


It's only been a year since Michigan hired Don Draper's corpulent doppelganger to resuscitate its foundering football program.

Brady Hoke's first season definitely could have been better (a fourth straight loss to Little Brother isn't exactly an elixir of good feelings) but it is very difficult to disparage victories over Notre Dame and Ohio State along with the first BCS triumph in over a decade en route to an 11-win season.

But you're doing that anyway: Because, you see, Notre Dame choked harder at Michigan than Charlie Weis on salad. Ohio State was an atrocious, fragmented mess yet still almost won in Ann Arbor. Plus, the Wolverines only went 2-2 in away games - they've got five roadies this season plus a neutral site ambush with Alabama.

And yes, the line of teams that have claimed ACC scalps in BCS matchups extends as long as the BCS has existed, let alone via gratuitous and repeated assistance from the zebras.

Of course, I believe absolutely none of that and neither should you. If devaluing triumphs at the expense of schedule, opponent or officiating shortcomings carried any validity, then Jim Tressel only won about 25% of the games at Ohio State that the NCAA acknowledges today.

The rest of his victories would have to be reclassified into a third category besides wins or losses. If you're not prepared to do that for Tressel, don't do it for Hoke either.

You're writing off Michigan's stellar 2011 precisely because it's comforting to do so, especially within the context that had been established over the previous decade where Michigan - good, bad, or just bad by Michigan standards - repeatedly fell to Ohio State.

It's not too early to appreciate Hoke's tenure, nor is it unhealthy to respect how he's exploited every single break he has inherited, most notably the full year of toxicity that engulfed the school whose name he curiously substitutes with that of another, different school.

You might not value this sudden resurgence as I do, because this is the Michigan I grew up despising, and this is the Michigan I'd prefer to die hating.

Maybe you enjoyed seeing Michigan home for the holidays two years in a row on account of full-blown football leprosy. Perhaps you took pleasure in watching Nick Sheridan, Steven Threet and Tate Forcier hemorrhaging footballs up and down the field.

Wanting Michigan to lose badly in its season finale is a mutually-exclusive endeavor. Wanting the Michigan football brand devalued - as a Buckeye fan - is akin to cutting yourself. It's a sickness that only hurts what you hold dear. Stop it.

Watching Tressel go full-Tressel early in the second quarter at Ann Arbor because he was already confident the Wolverines had little or no shot of scoring for the rest of the day does not contribute favorably to your most treasured obsession. You have no idea what day the Buckeyes play Indiana for a reason.

That three-year Rodriguez stretch had all of the delicious staying power of chewing gum. The Michigan that brought balance to the greatest and most competitive rivalry in college football post-Chic Harley may be more of a pain in the ass than the one you've enjoyed post-Lloyd Carr's blue period, but that Michigan is just as important to preserving the rivalry as Ohio State's maintained eminence.

"Yes, our D-line is shit. Just pretend they're all John Simon."Devin Gardner, aka not-Drew Henson. (Photo: MGo)

Hoke took the roster his predecessor left him and simply added competent coaching while restoring its proper culture in taking Michigan to a place it hadn't been since 1999: A win on the final Saturday followed by an on-field BCS celebration.

At last, Ohio State's greatest antagonist employs a commander worthy of that cachet.

You might believe Hoke's success was unexpected, but it definitely wasn't for anyone who paid any attention to the details of his coaching career beyond his record, which is marked with scars from all of his previous resuscitation projects.

Prior last year, Hoke routinely took on daunting rebuilding challenges nobody wanted. In Michigan he finally has the one worth crawling to campus to get.

The best part is that this benefits Ohio State too. Here is the part where I obnoxiously quote myself:

The fates of Michigan and Ohio State football are appropriately intertwined, and once Hoke finds success with attracting Ohioans that Ohio State is also recruiting that will force Ohio State to get better, whether it is in Ohio or elsewhere.  The same can be said for when the teams meet each other on the field every November.  You shouldn't be afraid of what's going to be redeveloping in Ann Arbor over the next few seasons.  Just don't be surprised.

Hoke's arrival could not have been better timed: Ohio State's turmoil - and as it turned out - Penn State's ignominy were both far more toxic than any of the stench left over from the Rodriguez era or the program's ongoing NCAA probation.

To make matters easier for Hoke, holdover cronies like Jim Bollman were either barely or poorly recruiting during Ohio State's lost year of 2011 (please save your "they were in a holding pattern because the NCAA punishment was unknown" negligence excuses for Urban Meyer's face - feel free to tell him it was okay to ease up on recruiting sophomores and juniors for any reason).

Hoke's team was busy recruiting Ohio's class of 2013 while poaching Ohio State's class of 2012. Now in year two, Michigan has relationships with many of Ohio's best seniors that Ohio State failed to nurture despite having the home field advantage and every high school door wide open.

The bad news for Hoke is that despite running off some dead weight and coaching up the players worth keeping, he's still a year away from not having the roster his predecessor left him. He won't be able to sell the lack-of depth chart or early playing time much longer, and Meyer's coaching staff isn't neglecting Ohio's future stars anymore.

There are only two things I do not like about Hoke: One is his "Ohio" shtick. It's widely misinterpreted by Michigan fans as being an effective insult to Ohio State, when in reality it's a very effective jab at Ohio University (and he knows this, as a veteran of both MAC schooling and coaching). It's this misinterpretation that bothers me, because it exploits my weakness of tolerating outright stupidity.

My three children have always casually referred to Ohio State as Ohio. I've owned this shirt since Hoke lived in Muncie, where he never wore red. We've sold this shirt at 11W for even longer than that.

And, of course, just check Ohio State's fight song lyrics - all of them. Ohio has been Ohio State's languid nom de plume for decades. It's the Mark Twain to our Samuel Clemens.

More of this, please.People still fawn over this era because it was so awesome.

So my problem with "Ohio" is that it just isn't insulting enough. Hoke should have and could have done better than to create a bunch of doddering clones muttering Ohio at every opportunity, the same way Woody still has teenagers condescendingly saying That Team Up North from beyond the grave.

My only other problem with Hoke is that we generally love fat football coaches as much as we love fat guy touchdowns. It would be much easier to despise Hoke if he were square-jawed and svelte (trust me, you would hate Ron Zook if his coaching wasn't hilarious the same way you'd love Weis if he wasn't a such a petulant dickhead).

Michigan is mercifully back, which means we're no longer tormenting its out-of-place hillbilly coach, atrocious defensive coordinator, MAC-level recruiting or general football terribleness. There is a bear to poke again where there temporarily was a ticklebear.

We're back to making fun of the way it funnels the vast majority of its football players through the university's General Studies program just to see its alumni - and most entertainingly, its non-alumni - immediately take to the defense. We're ridiculing something besides its football, because Michigan football has returned.

The rivalry is back to being heated - not because tradition demands it on account of the way things once were, but because of the way things are becoming again.

The coming seasons should provide ample film clips that are shown decades from now when the rivlary hits another inesacable lull (with sincere apologies to the clips of Sheridan, Threet and Forcier which won't ever be repurposed for The Game's promotional pieces). So I'm thrilled Michigan has a coach of Hoke's ability holding up its side of the best sport's best story.

When his time is up in Ann Arbor many years from now, I hope Hoke is remembered the same way John Cooper is in Columbus: A championship-caliber coach with a single tragic blemish that's impossible to keep off of his epitaph.

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painterlad's picture

It did seem rather odd beating the RichRod teams, for it was like walking up to a sleeping crippled kid in a wheelchair and hitting them with a two-by-four. Now that they are feeling high and mighty once again, it will be like beating an ugly fat girl with a two-by-four that once had the prom king mistakenly dial her cell phone. Dead, limping or fully charged, beating The Other Michigan State is ALWAYS lots of fun.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

JasonBuck's picture

I second this, every scUM fan was like "yah you beat us, but RichRod was our coach", now they they think they are "high and mighty" again (with a coach who has never really won anything, 58–52 career record) it'll be a lot more fun beating them.

FutureBuckeye's picture

His record may not be all that impressive, but he has turned around every college team that was under his coaching. SDSU was a 2 win team the year he was put in charge, his second year they were an 8 win team. Miami (OH) was awful as well & I believe they won 10 games under Hoke & were consistently 8 wins or a little more. It's hard to turn around two weak programs & having a stellar record. Having said that, I hate Hoke & i can't wait to crush Michigan come November.

hail2victors9's picture

I appreciate the honest post.  It was Ball State, not Miami (OH), though.  Ball State gave Michigan more than they ever wanted 4 or 5 years ago when they played.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

Hoody Wayes's picture

Lots of gloom and doom-ery, about Michigan. I find them to be a...comical bunch.

 

 

Doc's picture

Beating AACC never gets old.  Even during the Dick rod years it was fun.  It was like watching the Keystone Cops play foozball. 

The "Ohio" thing is retarded on many levels and their troglodite fan base mimmicking it is retardeder.   I hope John Simon wears Detards dreds on top of his helmet like a hat after skalping him this year.  Flounder can have his one victory, I'm sure Urbz won't let him get another for some time. 

"Say my name."

btalbert25's picture

Maybe it's because I'm so far removed from the Cooper Era, but I just don't see Hoke dominating Meyer in any facet.  I'll take Urban as a recruiter, an X's and O's guys, and a big game coach any day of the week over Hoke.

I will say, though, that if JT were still here, I'd be a little more intimidated by Hoke.  Hoke may have been able to penetrate the wall Tress had around Ohio a little more successfully than previous coaches, and JT would NOT have attracted the quality talent from other states that Urban can pull.  Tressel and Hoke, may have made the game very interesting and perhaps Hoke could turn the tables on JT like JT did Carr.

With Urban though, I'm just confident the team is going to win.  He has a strong history of showing rivals no mercy at all.  Michigan was able to beat one of his worst teams at Florida in a bowl game so there's always that I guess, but in general he dominates big games.  I think Urban will be the windshield and Hoke is one giant fat assed bug.

Doc's picture

AACC beat Florida in LLLLLLyods last game.  They were playing for their retiring coach.  Hoke hasn't beat Urban in nuthin'.  Well, other than crushing a buffet.

"Say my name."

hail2victors9's picture

It just kills you to admit that Michigan just outplayed and maybe outcoached Meyer and how appropriate it was for Hall of Famer Lloyd Carr to be carried off in the arms of his players into the sunset.

That "worst" team was ranked as high as 3 and as low as 19 all season long, and featured Tebow, Harvin (yes, the real one), Brandon Spikes, Aaron Hernandez, Louis Muphy, and a freshman Maurkice Pouncey.  So, they really weren't one of the worst Florida teams that Meyer coached, especially when he finished with a 7-5 regular season record in 2010. 

 

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

JasonBuck's picture

I'm not going to lie, and I may catch some flack for this comment, but I was actually rooting for scUM in this game.  As much as I HATED to do it, anytime a B1G team plays ANYONE else, especially Florida at the time, I usually root for them. NOW this may change this year, because honestly, after all the "crap" the so called "recruits" are talking and the whole "Ohio" thing, I actually HATE scUM more than I did when this game happened, so I hope Alabama wipes the floor with them.

ArTbkward's picture

I was with you, in 2007 there was no team I hated more than Florida.  My hatred for them has waned in more recent years but I still, and will always, hate Michigan.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yeah, I always rooted for all Big Ten teams in every non-conference game, including Michigan in the 2008 Capital One Bowl, and I despise the SEC, but I'll probably root for Bama this time around, too.

For one thing, when LLLLLoyd wasn't whining incessantly to the refs, he was a class act - a product of the old school Bo system. I hated Michigan during the conference season, but respected them when playing outside the conference.

The Michigan leadership spoiled that hate/respect dynamic the last few years, almost becoming instutional enemies, as opposed to football rivals.

Besides, Bama putting a beatdown on them will be a healthy correctional for Jabba, Belly of the Beast, and Bloody Kallis. I won't take much pleasure in watching it, but it'll be for thier own good.     

btalbert25's picture

Ok Hail,

Let's just look at the numbers

2005:  9-3

2006: 13-1

2007: 9-4

2008: 13-1

2009: 13-1

2010: 8-5

By the numbers and results that was truly one of the worst teams he coached at Florida.  I said one of the worst, not the worst.  The fact of the matter is, Michigan underperformed all year through various injuries and other issues.  That Gator team's defense, while talented, was very green and not very good.  The same team with a year of seasoning won the title the next year. 

ArTbkward's picture

Then once Carr made it into the sunset, his next moves essentially helped sabotage AACC football for the next three years.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

To me, it is irrelevant to the current situation.  I never devalue a win no matter who gets it - AACC was the better team that day and the score proves it!  I was there in AA sitting in that miserable stadium on Earle's last game when the Buckeyes took out AACC that was favored by quite a bunch and it pointed to only one thing - the will of the Buckeyes to send Earle out as a winner.  I would imagine emotion played a lot in your victory over Florida - anyway, it really doesn't matter because a win is a win.

Frankly, I've enjoyed the last 10 years under Tressel because we got some piece and quiet from one very arrogant and obnoxious fan base, not to mention make up for the Cooper era of The Game.  Now that you have Flounder coaching and you're all puffed up and arrogant again, it will heighten the joy of watching Urban thoroughly drop a woodshed beating on AACC this year!!!

 

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

btalbert25's picture

The only reason I brought it up originally is because anytime someone talks about how great Urban is against rivals and bowls, the first response is, he's 0-1 vs Michigan. 

I think it'll be 1-1 this year and if he's here 5 years at worse I say his overall Michigan record will be 4-2.  He's going to dominate any rivalry game and will have a dominant bowl record because that's what he's always done.

 

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

BT - my response wasn't toward you but I do get the reasoning behind your post.  Personally, I think Flounder is highly overmatched against Urban but those two don't suit up and anything is possible in The Game.  Having said that - I don't think there is ANY way Urban and the Buckeyes lose this year's tussle.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

buckeye76BHop's picture

To HAIL2THE CHUMPS:  You should go to your own websites or comment with some intelligence like MMAN!  If you come here make good points...otherwise STAY on your websites!  I bet next you'll defend Llyod Carr's/Rich Rod's record VS Tress or an absolutely OVERRATED verbal class that will have some go elsewhere...(ie D. Thomas;-)  Go AWAY TTUN fans...we don't want you here...at least I KNOW I DON'T!  TTUN will not beat OSU as long as Meyer is head coach...take it to the bank.  Now that sounds like some SHIT you guys would dish out...however this time it's actually TRUE!  Go watch Philosopher King on youtube...that explains everything you need to know about your new so-called GREAT coach...who hasn't even came close to an actually BCS game let alone a National Title game...laugher!  CAN'T wait til late November when all you guy's shit talking will STOP!

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

BrewstersMillions's picture

Come on dude....you didn't help the cause here.  Also-when did you become an expert on recruiting. Is M's class over rated because you don't like them?

Hail, keep on keepin on dude. I appriciate the enemy's take and like your input on these pieces.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

No need to elevate it up to this level at all!  I enjoy having the enemy on here - so Hail - continue on posting here!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Denny's picture

Nothing screams 'comment[ing] with some intelligence' like randomly capitalized words.

Taquitos.

buckeye76BHop's picture

Gotta love sarcasm...HUH?  

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

AltaBuck's picture

A game like that...you always have to assess it with a grain of salt. I love CFB because emotion plays such a large role in the results.  It was Lloyd's last game. A Bo disciple and a true MMan. TSUN was ready to play for their coach. A very talented but young UF team was not. TSUN dominated and, if it wasn't for Mike the mouth Hart fumbling a couple of times inside of UF's 5 yd line, you would have won by a few TDs. Regardless, you really cannot place the loss on Meyer when that kind of emotion is in play.

If UF would have won that game, would you now feel any different, I doubt it. I'm sure you would be referencing Coop's batting 1000 vs TSUN while at ASU and his subsequent shitty 230 at tOSU.

 

I have been known on occasion to howl at the moon. - Crash Davis

hodge's picture

The irony of that game is that they beat Meyer at his own game.  They ran a lot of spread in that game and really threw UF off blance.  Never have I rooted so hard for Michigan, and probably never will I root so hard for them again.  It was the perfect end to Lloyd's career, coupled with the fact that it was excellent catharsis after what UF did to us the year prior.

Not to mention the fact that half of my family loves the Gators...guess I got the last laugh on that one.

Nappy's picture

Wanting the Michigan football brand devalued - as a Buckeye fan - is akin to cutting yourself. It's a sickness that only hurts what you hold dear. Stop it.

I know. It's better to beat them when they're up than to continue to beat a lesser team.  But hating them just feels so right. I agree it not as fun beating a 3-7 team as it is beating an 11-0 team, but I so enjoy rooting against them.

Fan of bacon since 1981

buckeye76BHop's picture

Agreed...but you can't want them to be more successful than us...and last year they were (yes TTUN fans...I can actually admit when we were bad...unlike you all).  I'd seriously doubt that continues...they will not be as good as last year nor will they ever be.  Let em take Ohio players...bc they still won't beat us (on the field or in recruiting)!

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

It does nothing for the rivalry to beat them when they are literally at their lowest point. When Carr owned Cooper, those gaames were big because we were good. They ruined multiple seasons for us. Sure we gain ground in the overall record, but does beating 6-7 win scUM squads make it feel better, I'd rather beat them when they are at their best.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

In the end, it is better to ruin their season but I still enjoyed kicking their ass when they were down too!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

buckeyedude's picture

I was giddy when MU broke the record for most losses in a season ever, under Rich Rod. I wished they could've went O'fer that year.

Would've pleased me greatly.

 

 

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

You do what you gotta do.  If Michigan is 11-0 with national title aspirations, you ruin them.  If they have Big Ten title aspirations, you ruin them.  If they're 5-6 and need a win to be bowl eligible, you make sure their asses stay home for bowl season.  If they're 0-11, you drive that final nail in their coffins.  If they're 8-3 or 3-8 and nothing is on the line, well, you just beat them because you can. 

I'd sure love to ruin something big for them.  But I'm not going to get bored of beating bad Michigan teams, either.  They say the rivalry is back, but did it really go anywhere?

Class of 2010.

BrewstersMillions's picture

This is some darn fine work. Darn fine. I know it was fun to giggle at it but the 42-7 win really sold it for me. I did not want to see Michigan like that. I grew up in the 90's. I was a Buckeye fan from birth, as a result, I grew up thinking that Michigan football was the boogey man under the bed that my beloved Buckeyes would never be able to scare away. No matter what team OSU fielded, UM had an answer. When Tressel turned the rivalry around, we still had some really epic battles. His first win in Ann Arbor was a nail biter, the 02 clincher was 3 inches away from inducing 104,000 heart attacks, and even his lone loss a year later was close. Tressel really only crushed Lloyd once and that was Troy's coming out party in 2004 because one and two years later we were treated to some really great games, with the high water mark of course coming in 2006. The Rich Rod years were comical, but comical in the way Beavis and Butthead is-you see the same joke every time and you laugh because you think you have to. In the end, it was tragic to see what my boogey man had become. Hoke has definatley pumped the three years dormant venom back into this rivalry and I'm sure Meyer will make sure it stays flowing through his players' and fans' blood as long as he holds the key to WHAC.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Maestro's picture

I wrote a piece about The Game after witnessing  the 37-7 beatdown in 2010.  It basically went like this.  It's not fun to beat up the slow, fat, weakling.  The Game deserves a better product, and it looks like it will get it in the near future.

vacuuming sucks

btalbert25's picture

I never felt bad for Michigan, and I always want them to lose period.

It's much easier to root against them when they are good though, because it pisses me off so much when they win, and it's so much fun to see them get beat.  The RichRod years it was like it would be if you were cheering for Indiana to lose, just kind of mean. 

I'm not one who cares much about overall health of the conference or any of that stuff, but the game does mean more when Michigan is good.  Unfortunately, Michigan being good as well as Ohio State being good, and in different divisions, means that it won't be long and "The Game" changes dates and will, in some fans eyes, be devalued as well.  To those folks, there's a certain inevitability that the game in the very near future may never mean as much as it once did. 

painterlad's picture

Let's look at Hoke as done to "pump up the rivalry." He started calling us Ohio. Um, okay. Then he beat OSU with their worst team since 1897, while having their best team since 06, and he did that at home  due to one badly overthrown touchdown. He got a loud-mouthed offensive lineman from St. Eds. And...

What? He is 1-0, so props to him for finally giving Michigan a better winning percentage against OSU than Northwestern since 01. Urban, on the other hand, has come in and made heads spin with his recruiting. With Urban there is a feeling that things are going to get oh so better, yet you know in the backs of their little minds, Michigan fans know that they got the weakest Buckeye team in forever and barely won at home. They know what is coming this November and every November Urban is walking the sidelines is going to be an ass kicking on a galatic scale. (Not the same scale as Hoke's pants, just galatic.)

Enjoy your once-a-decade win. Pat yourself on your hairy, slumped backs and keep jingling those keys.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

Adambob's picture

This is the only year i want mich to go undefeated ranked #1 or 2 coming into the shoe, so their dreams can be shattered of going to the championship game.

timdogdad's picture

i can handle a loss if a win doesn't get  us a big 10 title anyway.  but if a loss ruins an undefeated season,  that's harsh.  first thing i thought after right after the win in 2006-this is payback for the 90's.  i will predict we'll go 5-1 the next 6 seasons.  scum may pull out 2 wins.  as long as we win the game when we're 11-0 or 12-0 going into the game, that will be good.   

hail2victors9's picture

That was the best article about Michigan, or a Michigan coach, on an OSU website...ever!

I know you guys are stoked with Urban, a million times more than we were with Hoke last year at this time, but it might not be what you're expecting.  I'd brace yourselves for no more than 2 (maybe three) consecutive wins by either side in the next decade or so.  Michigan could win this year in Columbus, but I wouldn't expect to win there for some time after that. 

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

hodge's picture

I like how you changed your avi to the articles photo haha.

JasonBuck's picture

Obviously we will ALL disagree with you, but it would be good for the rivalry IF for some reason it was a back and forth who won from year to year.  If we get beat in Columbus this coming year since it will technically be our "bowl game", I can't even imagine what this website will look like.  Although PLEASE don't think I actually see that happening, but....IF it did....well....time will tell.

Doc's picture

IF (big IF) we would lose to AACC this year in the Shoe with no bowl game to clense the palate C-bus would be on fire.  Urban understands this rivalry.  He grew up here, he coached here, he knows what it is like to be involved in rivalries.  AACC still has "Jump Ball" Detard under center.  If our offense gets even 1/2 step better than last year we win.  I see us playing lights out by the end of November.  Their defense has gotten better, and will get better.  I do not see the offense getting that much better as long as "Hungry Jack" is their QB.

"Say my name."

btalbert25's picture

You know why this team WON'T lose to Michigan?  Seniors like Johnny Simon, Jake Stoneburner, and Nate Williams.  They've been at OSU for the great times like the Rose and Sugar Bowl and they were their for the horrible times.  NO WAY on their senior day they lose to Michigan.  It will be their last game as Buckeyes and they won't go down to Michigan.

btalbert25's picture

I do think, however, if Ohio State is to lose to Michigan at all the next 3 seasons, 2012 is Michigan's best chance.  New coach, new system, still a ton of young talent.  I don't think it'll happen, but I do believe it's their best chance. 2013 the Buckeyes are going to be very good, and 2014, if talent pans out of course, I think they'll be on the fast track to a BCS title berth.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Going into each year, the Buckeyes first priority is to win the NC. The second priority is to beat Michigan. Promoting "what would be good for the rivalry," in and of itself, is very far down the list.

I agree that it's unhelpful to Ohio State when Michigan is RR woeful; on the other hand, I will never, never be okay with Michigan winning The Game any given year with the idea that it'll revitalize the rivalry, or so forth.

In the late 1980s/early 90s, Miami, FL beat FSU (wide right I, II, and III, wide left, etc.) 7 out 8 years and 8 out 10. During that time, FSU's reputation as a premier program never waned. Ohio State must strive to defeat the stinkweasels every freakin' year-after-year and let Michigan worry about salvaging their seasons by other means. 

cbusbuckeye's picture

Sorry but I disagree. I could care less about OSU winning the national championship if they lost to Michigan the same season(I know that these things happening in the same season are unlikely, just following your reasoning). That would make it a disappointment.

btalbert25's picture

I think you are right, you guys got your win last year, Urban gets 3, then loses 1, Urban gets 3 then loses one.  I'll take 6-2.

buckeye76BHop's picture

To HAIL TO THE CHUMPS...Again:  Go AWAY!  Go troll on some TTUN website so you all can agree how overrated and great you all are (not to mention how great Hoke is LOL)!  You'll see when OSU has another great coach with another GREAT record vs TTUN!  You guys just wish Miles came TTUN...then you could say...Hey, Les Miles won a national title against you guys!  But that didn't happen and you guys got a second tear coach that isn't going to do any better than Carr...and you all know it!  Not to mention...I think you guys are the ones "bracing" for some ass kicking and I do believe that's y you're trolling saying that apparently we won't beat you guys consecutively like Tress did.  Too funny because the first game hasn't happened yet.  Pretty sure you TTUN fans know we're not playing in a bowl game right?  What do you "REALLY" think is going to happen in Columbus in late Nov?  I think you all know...you're just too scared to admit it!  I love the fact that Meyer is putting great emphasis on TTUN and the game.  Videos in the locker room and weight room.  Signs about how overrated you players academic majors are in comparision.  I love it!  You'll see Hail...oh you shall see!

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

btalbert25's picture

Chill out dude, Hail, Rational M Fan, and M Man have been on here for quite a while now and typically bring a pretty good discussion to the group.  They are always respectful though, and right now you are not returning the same courtesy to them.

buckeye76BHop's picture

Key word..."typically"  I mentioned MMan...haven't seen Rational M Fan much...and as for Hail...not sure what you read but it sounds of "typical" BS TTUN shit to me.  If they come here for fire or gun fodder in the face...that's what they'll get from me...till I'm banned!  I don't even talk to College Frat buddies that are TTUN fans during that week in Nov.  I'm sorry but I hate them!  I'm really unsure why they come here if they don't want to start an argument or get shit...which like i said...that's all they'll get from me.  Do you go to TTUN sites to spout off about their articles?  I bet not...so don't defend those who do here...because we're the Buckeye fans/brothers here...not them!  They're not our friends online or otherwise...

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

BrewstersMillions's picture

You aren't helping your cause here dude. When trolls of any size or shape come by, they are generally dealt with accordingly. These Michigan fans aren't trolling. They come by and give their opinions about the topics of the day from a Michigan perspective. They aren't expecting to convert any readers to their side. They are engaging in a discussion with someone that they disagree with. To be honest with you, we embarass ourselves with names like Wolver Queers or sh**again. If you are going to insult the team, try and do better than that huh?

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Sgt. Elias's picture

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

hail2victors9's picture

"Typical BS TTUN shit to me"

BS= that I point out that Michigan beat a quality (not the best ever) Urban Meyer coached Florida team?

Or that I said I expect the rivalry to be more back and forth over the next decade.

Or my opinion that our best shot to win in Columbus would be in the first year of Urban's new regime (brand new coaching staff coaching Tressel's players in a new offense, etc).

 

If I wanted to undermine and insult you guys, I would be out of bounds to do it here; but believe me, if I were to do that, you would know it.  

My friends are about 8 to 1, Buckeyes to Wolverines, online and otherwise.  It's called respect.  I hope you don't go through life obsessing and radically comparing things you favor and those you despise to this degree (I love Wendy's so much that I'll never look at a McDonald's and I'll never talk to someone who eats there, not even my frat brothers).  Grow up, dude.  It's a big deal, but it's not life or death. Reading the comments following your posts, it seems like you're the troll.  Well done.  

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

JakeBuckeye's picture

@Hail

Don't even respond to BUCKEYE76BHOP, haha. You're cool, he's not being cool.

buckeyefanatic's picture

Chill out dude, Hail, Rational M Fan, and M Man have been on here for quite a while now and typically bring a pretty good discussion to the group.

So could my mother-in-law but that doesnt mean I want her here.  I could not stomach being among the blue and yellow filth on their boards ... I don't understand why they would want to be here.

How many batteries does it take to beat Michigan football?   1AA
Want to beat Michigan? There's an App for that.

Johnny Ginter's picture

because they know we're trying to be an awesome site with great commentors who can carry on civilized and intelligent conversations with anybody while still continuing to hate michigan with all our souls

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I second that!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Larryp713's picture

I actually love this site because there really are no trolls. The UM fans here are pretty respectful, and they provide a nice target that makes it a little fun. If you want to see some Trolls, Cbssports has plenty (and they actually pay some, like that deuche bag Dodd).

I read Hail's post and it seemed very respectful. I admire UM fans that actually can assemble a couple of sentences into a cogent thought!!!

Respectfully,

Larryp713

Jdadams01's picture

Agree. For my part, Hail, Rational, and M Man are valuable commenters. I really enjoy the Wolverine view point on articles and they are all respectful. Just because they root for our rival doesn't mean they're trolling.

biggy84's picture

The biggest crock of shit I have been hearing is that the rivalry is devalued if tsun isn't good. Rivalries are always intense, regardless of either teams record. If anyone needs tsun to be good to hate them, i suggest you read about the history of the rivalry.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Me too Biggy. I don't need UM to be good to appreciate beating the shit out of them.

Nothing warmed my heart more than in 2009 watching the big house full of Buckeye fans. I actually shed tears of joy hearing the O-H-I-O chant circling Michigan Stadium. Here's hoping we can do that a couple more times in the next five years.

biggy84's picture

The Buckeyes added #8 to the recruiting list today, per 247 and scout.

Jason Priestas's picture

I disagree. How intense is the Ohio State-Indiana football rivalry? Or the Ohio State-Minnesota football rivalry? If both parties aren't competent, it's not a rivalry.

biggy84's picture

The huge mistake you make is that Indiana and Minn has never been our rival. There are many years of history that have made the rivalry. Since i was a kid i have despised tsun, am i supposed to not hate them because they aren't as good? Do you think Oklahoma fans were forgotten by Nebraska fans when OU wasn't winning? Do you ever hear Yankee fans wishing the Red Sox were good? 

Poison nuts's picture

I believe the point was that Indiana & Minnasota are not our rivals because they are not football powerhouses who give OSU stiff competition year in and year out. UM became our rival after years of winning traditions at each school and countless season spoiling wins by each school. They didn't become our rival simply because they are north of us - it was fierce comperition that forged this rivalry and it'll be fierce competition that continues its tradition as the greatest rivalry in sports.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

biggy84's picture

I know my point was that the many years of hated rivalry won't be gone if tsun is good or not. I gave examples of other rivalries, and the fact that they are rivals regardless of the other ones fortunes. 80+ years will not be forgotten if tsun is bad.

Jason Priestas's picture

At one time, Army-Notre Dame was the biggest rivalry in college football. Army-Navy was pretty big as well. Today, they're still rivalries, but are nowhere near what they once were.

If Michigan (or Ohio State) suffered 20-straight sub-500 seasons, then it would still be a rivalry, but in name only.

Poison nuts's picture

Word.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Riggins's picture

Of course they'll always be rivals.  I'll want to beat Michigan's brains in until the day I die, but I'd be lying if I said I wanted every game to be an OSU rout.  I want a competitive rivalry game.  I want to win every game against them.  However, I can appreciate the fact that Michigan winning one now and again helps the rivalry.  It doesn't make the loss sting any less, but I strongly believe it gives the rivalry a back-and-forth aspect of bragging rights and collective shit-talking.

I respect the history of the rivalry, but it was diminished these last few years.  It just felt like a husk of its former self.  I know not everyone shares this opinion.

SPreston2001's picture

Meh screw scUM. I actually think talking about them on these forums so much makes us look intimidated by them. The only time I want to talk about those bums is the week of the big game!! Screw Blue!!

buckeyedude's picture

^^^What he said.

 

 

BrewstersMillions's picture

Its not devalued if Michigan isn't good. Its devalued if either side isn't good. Even though OSU went on a 9* game streak, all but 3 of those games were competitive and by my count, 4 of them in that stretch had MAJOR bowl implications. That is when the Rivalry is at its best. When Michigan was losing games to OSU by multiple touchdowns and the teams were bad-it took away from our triumph. If OSU falls on the skids and Michigan beats a weakened OSU team easily multiple times in a row, it would cheapen their triumph. This rivalry is what it is because SO many times the game meant a Big Ten title and more was on the line. When neither is the case it cheapens it. Spoiling is one thing, beating a down trodden rival hurts the over all rivalry.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

biggy84's picture

I don't think Iowa vs Iowa St, Army vs Navy, FSU vs Miami, are sitting around hoping that the other is good. Playing against your rival raises the bar regardless of records. I lived in Fl a very long time, and i never heard a Cane hope that Fl was good. Blows my mind.

Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

Iowa vs Iowa State. Army vs Navy. FSU vs Miami. You forgot UNC vs NC State and Lehigh vs Lafayette.

biggy84's picture

There are many rivalries i didn't list. Sorry i didn't listen to your telling me how to feel. I could poke holes through your flounder- Tress argument all day. 

William's picture

No one here is telling you how to feel. People providing you with high-quality *free* prose have an opinion about the rivalry that you don't share, no need to be a jerk about it. In my opinion it doesn't mean nearly as much if we beat Michigan when they're weak, and it certainly doesn't help the rivalry. I'd rather barely beat an awesome Michigan team that is 11-0 come that gray day in November than beat up on some limp, lifeless pup, such as the RichRod teams. It can only help the rivalry when both teams are good, and it definitely is diminished when one of the teams isn't playing well or just isn't that good, to argue otherwise is a bit naive.

biggy84's picture

Read the article again willie. Your opinion is just that..YOUR opinion, not fact. I will not invest the time to engage you in further discussion. I have read your many arguments with people on here, and have zero interest in being one. go ahead and cheer for tsun all you want. 

Larryp713's picture

I believe that was sarcasm on Ramzy's part. I could be wrong.

Respectfully,

Larryp713

biggy84's picture

Admittedly, i took offense to it, and i was wrong. I apologize to Ramzy for that. I'm a diehard tOSU fan and would never, ever root for tsun.

Woody4's picture

What I find difficult to believe, is that [Ed - It's 2012. "Queen" is a gay slur. You've been warned.] would come to a BUCKEYE fan board,  & expect to see anything remotely positive about scUM.  Rabid fans are just that, regardless of where thier allegience lies.  Expounding on gallons of word vomit, will never change this fact.  Go Home.

Denny's picture

"Wolver-queens"?? Seriously?

What I find difficult to believe, are commas.

Taquitos.

Bucksfan's picture

I'd love to read an essay in which you describe in detail what it's like to be "that guy."

JakeBuckeye's picture

Denny certainly is "that guy", but only to those who deserve it, so I tend to like Denny...

... Until I'm the one who deserves it, haha

buckeye76BHop's picture

To 11W...can you guys start a questionnaire on the blog/website user set up?  Like some probing questions that will allow you all to weed out TTUN fans??? Please??!!  Or grammar police...they're just about as worse as TTUN fans are!

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

BrewstersMillions's picture

You could cut the irony off of this post with a knife.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I was thinking the exact same thing!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Larryp713's picture

I laughed so hard that hurt. Man, I had a long day at work...

Respectfully,

Larryp713

BrewstersMillions's picture

And it's no, nay, never! No, nay, never, no more,
will I play the wild rover. No (nay) never no more

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Sgt. Elias's picture

Nice, love that song.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Poison nuts's picture

"just about as worse"

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Denny's picture

Thx 4 joining me on Team That Guy.

Taquitos.

Poison nuts's picture

Glad to be on board!

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Denny's picture

Part of me wishes you'd have written 'glad to be on bored'.

Taquitos.

buckeye76BHop's picture

Thanks...just thought I'd ask.  

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

awwwwwwop's picture

You have more ellipses in your posts than Brady Hoke has sandwhiches in his refrigerator.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Depends on the time of day. Sammies don't last long in that fridge. The Jabba can eat 'em faster than the chef can make 'em.

Doc's picture

I believe we will win The Game this year going away.  With that said since it IS our last game of the season and AACC has the ability to continue on, if we beat them I can already hear their fans.  "We weren't up for the game because we were resting for the B1G Championship game." or "It meant more to you becasue it is your last game of the season."  No matter what happens there will be excuses from their fan base.  Mark my words.

Beating RR and his "teams" was fun, but not as fun as ruining their perfect seasons/B1G Championships.  Flounder has got them believing and that is half the battle.  He is obviously doing something on the recruiting trail that has these guys wanting to play for him.  So, the talent level will increase and they will be more competitive by default.  To me Urban is our trump card.  He is a proven winner and is relentless in all facets of the game(on and off the field).  Will AACC win another game against us?  I'm sure they will, but let's pray to God it isn't for another decade.  One victory every ten years is about all they deserve, if that.

Screw Blue!

"Say my name."

FailtotheVictors's picture

Give it a rest @Hail

- Respect the Rivalry -

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

I went to the game in Ann Arbor a few years ago. I actually sat in their student section wearing my old Pepe Pearson jersey. Had stuff thrown at me, called all sorts of names, but I got it.  What kind of Michigan student sells a Buckeye fan his ticket?.... One who knows they will probably lose. 

I'll never forget talking to a couple knowledgable kids about Richrod's jank ass offense and how predictable it was. They agreed as I pointed out the lineman splits, and I literally called out their plays. From the back of the endzone you could tell where the play was going whether it be a read option or a WR slant/ RB flat route.  My arguemnet to the kid was simple: If I can see what they are trying to do to the defense from up here, Don't you think the OSU def coaches know what the play is. It was painful to watch at times.  

When Tate Forcier threw that terribe INT to Thaddeus Gibson when he was 8 yards away, I watched confused, sad scUM students wonder what happened to our football program?

Before the game I never heard so many people talking shit before the game. I had one guy tell me when I was in line to piss, "to make sure I sit when I pee", My respone  to him was "I'll sit while I pee, as long as you stand why your boys are getting their asses handed to them today."   

I'll never forget my experience in the Quiet House that day, but I do regret Michigan being so bad that It wasn't a signature road win for us. It was just expected, and their fans knew it to. At least with Hoke the Meatchicken squads will be better.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

I've been to a half dozen games in A2 (never in the student section) and have been treated as well as can be expected. Sure I got my share of verbal jabs, but nothing out of line. I enjoy the golf course and will continue to go to games at that place any time I can. Mainly because of the pure joy a Buckeye feels walking out of that stadium after a win. Doesn't get any better than that.

Poison nuts's picture

For me - this article speaks to something I have always felt & had debates over on this very site. I like that UM could be a powerhouse again. IMO - it makes the rivalry more interesting. The Game is a sacred event to me. Having OSU win against a strong UM just makes it more satisfying for me personally. I know there are those on this site who feel differently - but count me as looking forward to the next time OSU & UM are both undefeated....and OSU wins of course. One thing I absolutely do not agree with though is any notion that UM winning The Game is ever a good thing. Come on now - Fuuuucccckkkk that. I believe I would sleep well if last years win were the last one history recorded. Brady Hoke as UMs Cooper - I like the sound of that...Good stuff Ramzy & thanks.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Larryp713's picture

Another great article, Ramzy. I definately was jaded by the Cooper years; too many heart breaks. I personally loved when Michigan was lousy, and I could have gladly watched another ten years of absolute beat-downs with a smile on my face and a song in my heart.

But I agree with your assessment of Hoke. I knew when he was hired that he was going to bring a lot more to the table than RichRod, who I miss dearly. I am shocked and impressed that Hoke is still able to roll across Toledo and steal our good Buckeye talent? I hope there is a Donut-gate scandal in our future!

Respectfully,

Larryp713

FortMeyer's picture

"Yes, our d-line is shit. Just pretend they're all John Simon." HaHa....very good. Just happened to mouse over the action photo.

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Much like the stock market run prior to the first big Tech bubble burst in early 2000's, the Tressel- led victories over Michigan were a patch of joyus years that were something to behold. Yes - The Hoke is there now, and the rivalry will sparkle a little brighter, but the coach that really concerns me is Mattison. He was Meyer's co-DC at Florida, and by all accounts the guy is one hell of a coach, recruiter, and great guy - very involved with his players. I think he made Hoke look pretty good this last year, and will as long as he stays there. We may want to start a retirement fund for the guy to entice him to leave, as I believe he's in his 60's. Fortunately, we should now have an answer to the M defense with the new Meyer/Herman offense - woulda been rough sailing if Bolls was still around.

RedStorm45's picture

Too many comments on this to reply to 1 - the '07 Gators team that lost to scUM in the capital one bowl lost 9 starters on defense and I believe 8 on offense from their NC season.  Yeah...I'm sure that wasn't Urban's worst team at UF...and Hernandez had 9 catches in his freshman year that season, Hail. Please at least try to make accurate statements.  

hail2victors9's picture

What wasn't accurate about my post?

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

RedStorm45's picture

"So, they really weren't one of the worst Florida teams that Meyer coached"

17 new starters, you list Hernandez like he did anything - he had 9 catches all season.

hail2victors9's picture

He had 3 teams with 9 wins, 1 with 8 wins, and 3 with 13 wins.  I guess we're looking at a glass half empty/half full.  I guess I should reword it as he didn't really have one bad team.

 I just find it funny that a team that was ranked #12 at the time of the game and as high as number 3, that had suffered a 3 point loss to Auburn and a 4 point loss to an LSU team that won that national title (I'm guessing you remember that), is implied to be a bad team.  They had a pretty bad loss against Georgia, one of their biggest rivals.  A team sandwiched between two national titles with all the star power that it had doesn't sound too bad to me.

Maybe I'm reading between the lines, but sounds like your saying that Urban isn't going to win unless his elite guys are upperclassmen?  I, myself, give him more credit than that.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

RedStorm45's picture

Arguably his worst team at UF.  Agree on that? haha

 

I just think it's really hard to have 10+ wins no matter where you are or the talent coming in if you have to replace 17 starters (even if they go on, like UF did, to win in future years).  Sure they had future stars, but not all of those guys contributes as freshmen or sophomores in the '07 season.  Can't win 13 every year.

btalbert25's picture

It's hard to get 10+ wins in the SEC every year.  That's the thing.  We want to say they are over rated or talked about too much but fact of the matter is that team lost 3 games in conference play that year.  Hell even their national title winnner that year had 2 losses, one to KENTUCKY. 

btalbert25's picture

That Florida team, also had the 2nd highest amount of losses of any of Meyer's Florida teams.  That's why I said it was in fact one of his worst teams. 

Scott's picture

"Worst" is very relative in this case. Remember, the Florida team we're calling "one of [Urban's] worst" had a Heisman trophy winner at quarterback and were favored in this game by 10.5 points. Also, UM was 8-4 that year, so it's not as though this was a mediocre Florida team playing an elite Michigan squad. I'd say that was a quality win for Michigan.

Class of 2008

Poison nuts's picture

I'll say this Hail - you certainly can spit nails when you want to. Ouch on that LSU thing...I think nobody is wrong on this UF/UM debate. Just 2 different perspectives. You are correct in stating that it was a fine UF team - it was. Anyone here that says otherwise is lying to themselves. It was a quality bowl win for your team. I would have rather had OSU play (and beat) that UF team than to lose to LSU in the NC game for the second straight year.

On the other hand, like it or not - that was about the worst UF team that Urban Meyer coached. According to the record and almost every other statistic. Doesn't mean it was an easy win for UM but if anyone was going to beat Florida in a bowl game during Urbans tenure - that would have been the year that you wanted to play them (& maybe his last year). Hopefully this makes some sense to parties on both sides.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Man of Scarlet and Gray's picture

I agree with @Ramzy but it hurts soo much to say it! I will truly never hate anything as deeply and passionatley as I hate tsun but, it makes me sick to think those assholes got so bad that the rivalry isn't as respected. Unfortunatley we're two schools bound by hatred but bound nonetheless so michigan being better makes ohio state better. Lets just always hope OSU is a little bit better every year

 "I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault."
--Jack Tatum

JakeBuckeye's picture

The comment on this piece goes to show how annoying and silly (using very nice words) our fans can be. God love us, but God help us too.

Rational MFAN's picture

I did decide to stay away from this thread. But I do agree with everything Ramzy said. It goes back the other way as well. I never want to see either school down.

hail2victors9's picture

I really enjoyed this story.  Definitely speaks to the truth and offers a mostly objective view of everything.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

OhioBornMichiganBred's picture

I registered specifically to say that I thought this was a really good piece.

This rivalry is the greatest in all of sports, and it's best when it's a clash of titans. I'm always going to be a Michigan fan. I'm always going to be happy when U of M beats OSU. But the games (even the ones Michigan lost) that are epic battles between elite teams - they FEEL different, more important. At the end of the day, this whole thing is about respect. Here's hoping the next few years are as memorable as it seems they will be.

"From deep down in my stomach, with every inch of me, I pure, straight hate you. But goddammit, do I respect you." -Wes Mantooth

 

 

Sgt. Elias's picture

Welcome! You'll find most 11 Dubbers enjoy thoughtful insight from the enemy camp. This isn't Celtic vs. Rangers after all. But don't think that means I'd let you date my sister. Seriously though, this rivalry  in the coming years will  likely determine who has the best shot at stealing the crystal back from the SEC. Soooo tired of those guys. 

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

buckeyedude's picture

Was at The Game in A^2 in 1994. Never had I heard such poor sportsmanship in my life. Prior to that, I used to kind of root for MU against non-B1G opponents.

After that game, never again. I loved EVERY FRIGGIN BEAT DOWN by Tressel's squads. Every one! I don't give a rat's ass if Michelin is good or bad, as long as Ohio State beats them. Just win, baby! Just win!

 

 

JakeBuckeye's picture

Sigh. The whole asshole fan base and poor sportsmanship argument is so stupidly circular. Every big time college fan base is filled with ass holes. Every one. Michigan and Ohio State included.

And "Michilen"? I don't get it. I hate the stupid, immature, unclever names a lot of our fans come up for Michigan in the first place, but "Michelin"? You really got them good, calling them a tire company and all!

[Ed - This is cutting it close to being a "jerk". There are less aggressive ways to make the same points.]

JakeBuckeye's picture

[Ed - This is cutting it close to being a "jerk". There are less aggressive ways to make the same points.]

Wowza. Was I being nice in that comment? Probably not. Still doesn't compare to A LOT of the things I see on here that go without warnings or banhammers. Just wish it would be a significantly more consisent system if I'm going to get called out like that...

At any rate, thanks for calling me out straight up and letting me know... I will right my wrongs. BuckeyeDude, sorry if I offended you with the manner in which I disagreed.

buckeyedude's picture

As I've said many times before, I live in an area of Ohio where there are way too many Michelin fans, and they do the same shit. Have some in my own family as a matter of fact. Also, I graduated back in the early 80s, so I am not quite so senstive and politically correct.

I hate P.C. As far as the "Michelin" thing: If M Man & Co. are that offended, I'm sure they'll go elsewhere. Just having what we used to call "fun," Jake. It's not like I called them Freddy Mercury look-a-likes or something. No biggie.

Go to mgoblog.com and see how well you're treated. Guarantee it won't be as well as M Man and his homies are treated here.(and for the record, I think M Man is  a good dude).

 

 

Denny's picture

Lots of Michelin fans? Ohio's a Goodyear state, man.

Taquitos.

btalbert25's picture

You're right every fan base does have asshole fans, and that's reason for other sides to hate them.  I hate specific teams for very specific actions that some of their fans have taken.  I don't like UK because on 2 occasions one of their fans tried to get violent with me while we were discussing someting so silly as a basketball game.  I have dozens if not 100's of acquaintances who love UK and they are all decent people, but because of 2 idiots who wanted to cause phyiscal harm to me over a game, I always want UK to lose.

I'm sure people who have had piss ballons thrown at them in Happy Valley or Battery Stuffed Marshmallows in Madison feel the same way.  So yes, there are A-hole Ohio State fans, and probably many of them.  That section of the fan base makes all shake our heads.

Thing is, when someone launches something at me, takes a swing, or is cussing me out, I don't say oh that's just one extreme fan I understand this happens everywhere.  No, I say I want his fucking team to lose every game they play because he just launched a bag of piss at me.

OhioBornMichiganBred's picture

I used to date a girl who went to OSU. When I went down to C-bus for The Game in 2002, I had the same experience you did - albeit with our teams' roles reversed. We don't live in an ideal world, unfortunately, and a lot of people on both sides of the ball act like morons in the face of this rivalry. That just speaks to its quality and intensity. (Edited to add: Alcohol doesn't help matters, either.)

My parents, sister, three sets of aunts and uncles, and I went to Michigan. Both my grandfathers, several cousins, and, well, pretty much everyone else in my family went to OSU. This is a family thing for me - I don't have time or inclination to treat my rivals like pieces of shit. I'd rather just beat them.

Sgt. Elias's picture

Ewww, too bad you had to come down for that game, our fans went ape-shit, it was not pretty. Although that display was a catalyst for cleaning up much of the d-baggery that occurred on campus during heated games. Things are much improved now. You'll get the verbal crap while wearing your colors but I'd expect that anywhere, well, maybe not Nebraska. They're exceedingly polite for the most part. I don't get my blood boiling over Michigan until the week of The Game, and it's usually nerves at that point. I'm too old (and I'm not that old) to really get bent out of shape over pigskin anymore, but don't mistake this for a lack of passion. I just can't have my entire week ruined after a loss and feel rational. I suppose it's acquired perspective. I say that now, lol...It will be our bowl game this year so I'll likely require sedatives.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Larryp713's picture

Well-said OBMB. As much as the GAME hurt last year, it was a blast to watch, and it made me look forward to the GAME this year with renewed excitement.

Respectfully,

Larryp713

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I know the feeling - when I was living in Columbus, we made the trip up to AA every other year for The Game.  For the most part, other than some verbal jousts, there were a few encounters with douchebag drunken fans, it was all good.  There were usually about 20 of us and roughly half were UofM fans so they stepped in and squashed any potential issues.  I will always remember the cop directing traffic - he always tried to get us Buckeye fans to cross against the light!!! 

OSU has their share of completely assinine fans as well - it comes with the territory when you have such large fanbases.  I think we can all agree that when it does come to the WORST and most obnoxious fans - hands down winner would be Notre Dame.

Welcome aboard and enjoy the victory last year because we're getting payback this year in the form of a good old fashion woodshed beating in The Shoe!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

CowCat's picture

Howdy all.   I'm a new member, but I've been lurking for a while.  I graduated from TOSU in 1993, and my father is a professor who has been teaching there since the 70's.

If you think about it, Rich Rodriguez was  the ONLY truly bad head coach at either school since at least 1969.   Yeah, we wince about the Cooper years, but we recruited well and fielded some great teams.  Michigan fans probably want to forget about Gary Moeller's drinking issues, but he was a decent coach.

ONE failed coach for 3 seasons in 40 years.  That's incredible.  It's a testament to the rivalry, as well as the expectations and traditions of both programs.

As for the rowdiness of fans: I personally love having a reputation where other teams fear playing in The Shoe, but I think that starts and ends in the stadium.   Talking smack, singing songs and going hoarse yelling at the field is expected.   However thngs should never escalate to any direct threat to opposing fans.

All in all we should pinch ourselves for being part of THE GAME, THE ONLY GAME.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

Larryp713's picture

Welcome to the board, and I agree whole-heartedly with your comments. Go Bucks!!!

Respectfully,

Larryp713

hail2victors9's picture

Great points!  It's definitely special to be a part of the best rivalry in all of sports.

Rich Rod's first season...well, it's not really fair to burn him at the stake for that year.  I don't know if Bo, himself, or Meyer or Saban could have done much better with that group of guys.

It's interesting to consider what if, of his 15 wins, 4-5 would've been over MSU and OSU.  Would he have been given another year?  He was simply a average defense away from winning 7-10 more games.  If he would've had a clue about things to say to the media regarding Michigan traditions and rivalries...well, that would've helped, too.  Either way, just a small stain on the rivalry.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

nickma71's picture

In case anybody forgot, Rich Rod was the coach at Michigan for only 3 seasons during the 9-1 run. I would be suprised if they do not lose 5 or 6 games, depending on bowl opponent. What fatboy has going for him is the kids that think he turned something around last year.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Just imagine if they managed to get Harbaugh? That would be intense. Harbaugh is a great coach, and he's a dickhead. Would have spiced things up a little.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

Larryp713's picture

That is a good point... Jim Harbaugh is a Gargantuan Tool and would have been so easy to hate. And I think Coach Meyer would have crawled completely under his skin. It would've been Woody vs Bo part deaux. As for Hoke, I don't think I can muster that kind of hatred yet. That is probably because I am underestimating him. He is definately a tenacious recruiter and has the appropriate disdain for tOSU, but he needs to pull some serious jerk-off moves before I can truly dislike him. I get the feeling Harbaugh would have pulled that off during his introduction speech!

Respectfully,

Larryp713

JasonBuck's picture

Is it just me, or are new members joining more and more now?  And as much as I despise scUM, there's actually more fans of opposing teams joining the site.  Even though I'd never join Mgoblog or any other teams site, just because typically you can't have a civil discussion with anyone there, it's nice to know that at least for NOW, opposing teams fan can join this site and only occassionally will we jump down their throats, but for the most part we remain civil.

Larryp713's picture

I hope we keep it that way... I have been on here for about a year, and I enjoy the lack of trolls and silly eighth grade attacks. I would like to see a similar blog for Michigan or other teams, but I really don't have enough time to look into it. If anybody has recommendations, I would check it out.

Respectfully,

Larryp713

Jason Priestas's picture

Yep, new members have been signing up in droves lately, both Buckeye fans and fans of other programs. 

We, too, want to keep things troll and eighth grade attack-free, but it won't be easy. If you see someone acting a fool, please politely ask them not to act a fool. If it continues to be a problem, we'll deal with it. We were discussing the return of the banhammer just last night.

To summarize: Don't post stupid comments. Commenting on 11W is a privilege, not a constitutionally-mandated right.

JasonBuck's picture

@Jason, I completely agree, even though I kept it "real" at the bottom of this post it's nice to see this site gaining in popularity.  I tell all my friends about it and even here at the large bank I work at downtown with a large number of branches here in the Greater Columbus area (take your own guesses) we follow 11W regularly (as I sit at my desk posting this).  I think a lot of this has to do to with the large amount of national popularity that tOSU has and I think bringing in Urban as our coach has shot us to even greater heights nationally. 

Combine one of the most storied programs in college football history with one of the greatest coaches of our era (not that JT wasn't great, but let's be honest, Urban is a "rockstar") and you get the reason everyone want's to know what's going on in Columbus.

Scott's picture

Also good writing.

Class of 2008

OhioBornMichiganBred's picture

I post on Mgoblog fairly regularly, and there's not a whole lot of tolerance for the "O$U, Suckeyes" crap. It's pretty much just "Ohio" (though I stick to good old-fashioned OSU both here and there). There are a few Buckeye fans on Mgo who make some pretty nice contributions - especially recently.

I think now that Michigan has put one up on the board against OSU in the blogging age, you'll see more UM fans start to join 11W. Before, it didn't make sense to stick our heads into the lion's mouth armed with 2003 alone. Mgo was used to seeing OSU fans coming in and trolling because we couldn't chalk one up - so it's not too receptive.

More Michigan fans joining is a testament to a renewed spirit of the rivalry. When the rivalry is healthy, the spirit is less antagonistic - which is something I look forward to. I think right now, both teams have the right man for their respective jobs - so here's hoping for hatred with a side of civility in the years to come.

 

NC_Buckeye's picture

For the record, all of this civility to Michigan commentors and good will for the future of that team up north -- IS MAKING ME ILL.

You know what let's all just sing "Kumbaya". I'll start the first verse.

Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
 

/bunch of damn hippies

Larryp713's picture

This is beautiful NC Buck!! I guess I can handle intolerant rancor if it is clever and funny. Continue on sir!

Respectfully,

Larryp713

JasonBuck's picture

^^^^ AGREED!  I hate scUM more than I ever have.  I rooted for them to beat Florida back in '07 (I think that's the year) but there is NO way I will root for them to beat Alabama (and I HATE Nick Saban but I hate scUM more now).  It's not that they beat us last year, I mean seriously, what's one year in the last 7 or whatever it is or the "rivalry" being renewed (again, 1 win).  It's more the whole recruits running their yaps (while ours haven't said a word), the whole "Ohio" thing (no this is the team that beat you in the first round), and then Detard doing the whole "eating" thing last year (dumb).  I'm glad we remain civil, because lets be honest we are just better than scUM, but don't think for one sec we don't despise you maybe MORE than we ever have.  However, this is a place for civil debate, so we try to keep it that way, just wanted to keep it real for a moment.

Doc's picture

To me the worst part of having to play AACC is not their team or their fans.  It is having to watch their piss poor band every other year.  Don't get me wrong, I want to beat their team into the ground no matter how bad/good they are.  But, the worst is their band.  They are horrid.  I have seen HS bands better.  First off if you are a college band and still have a flag line, you suck.  If you still have baton twirlers, you suck.  The worst of all is their halfstep marching they do.  They look constipated and tarded at the same time.  Stay in AA and let our band play the entire time.  You are an embarrasment to your "school" and yourselves.  Keep your cheerleaders at home too, they look like a pack of dogs.  Just my $0.02

"Say my name."

faux_maestro's picture

I second every word of this post.

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lippertini's picture

All good until the cheerleaders swipe.  Theirs may not be special, but also I'm continually disappointed in ours.  I'd prefer dancers over gymnasts ;)