The Tree of Knowledge

By Ramzy Nasrallah on February 20, 2012 at 1:00p
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Huge oversight by the builder: No giant outdoor vanity mirror

Not a bad little shack, is it. This humble bungalow is equipped with eight bedrooms, six-car garage, an enormous pool, spa, weight room and wine cellar all covering about 22,000 square feet. Let's just assume that moat out front is also stocked with endangered aquatic species and mermaids on loan from Disney.

The neighbors to this cozy Brentwood cabin are a guy named Schwarzenegger and a freshly-single supermodel named Heidi Klum. The house is so new it hasn't seen two Christmas trees yet. This is what Tom Brady and his wife Gisele Bündchen call home (when they're not at one of their other homes).

There are power couples, and then there's Tom & Gisele: Brady is halfway through a four-year contract with the New England Patriots that pays him $72 million with almost $49 million of it guaranteed. Even though he is the NFL's second-highest paid player, the lady of the house is the clear breadwinner of the family, having earned over a quarter billion in the time since Brady matriculated through Ann Arbor.

Brady holds a prestigious degree in General Studies from the University of Michigan. That piece of paper makes him the academic of the family, as Mrs. Brady hasn't seen a classroom since she was 14 years old. Incredibly, neither of them are starving, despite the fact that Brady still has a job that requires him to wear a uniform and a name tag.

We can all find inspiration in Tom & Gisele managing to survive in today's America, seeing as how scholastically one sought refuge at Michigan's safe harbor for students majoring in football (Brady is openly self-effacing about the rigors of his academic tract) while the other abruptly dropped out of high school.

This, of course, is pure silliness: Brady's success in life and his General Studies degree, if they intersect at all, do so barely. Brady's success is of his own. His degree did not make him. He manufactured his own success. That's how life for the vast majority of us works.

Last week when the photo (below, right) of the sign currently on prominent display at the WHAC surfaced, every reaction one might deem to be predictable happened immediately: First, Michigan alumni promptly deployed standard phallus-measurement exercises, e.g. a General Studies degree from Michigan is more valuable than a doctorate from Ohio State. Then Michigan fans of the non-alumnus variety dispensed with their own standard phallus-measurement exercises, though using transitive phallus measurement exercises (a practice perfected at Washtenaw Community College) to do so.

Ohio State fans who learned of the sign were reminded of the now-four year old "expose" of Michigan football players being tucked into General Studies at a rate that far exceeded that of non-athletes at the university. Even favorite son Jim Harbaugh rudely pointed out what his alma mater was doing with its athletes. 

The new WHAC decor along with the dusted-off General Studies revelations served as sufficient ammunition for a phallus shrink ray (imagine Tom & Gisele's lagoon-style pool on an unseasonably cool evening). The infinite battle loop of measurement, inflation and shrinkage was nigh. There simply is no offseason in college football's greatest rivalry.

For those readers who either never attended, finished in a fog or simply forgot about what college is like, here is the reality: There are no easy courses of study; even just showing up isn't quite as easy as it seems. Program fit also matters: An astute Finance brain that ventures into Philosophy could find itself on academic probation very quickly.

The most popular current major at Michigan is Psychology, not because Ann Arbor is a beacon for aspiring mental health professionals but because you can do anything with a Liberal Arts degree. I'm a product director at a Fortune 50 company and one of the owners of the web site you're currently enjoying, and yet despite speaking it fluently before the age of five, I stubbornly majored in English. Chaucer and Dickinson are not the freshest horses to get you into the board room, but they're still horses. It's a college degree. You can do anything with it.

Legends & LeadersOn display at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center (Kevin Noon/Buckeye Grove)

Not everyone who enrolls in college knows what they want to study - or even more terrifying - has any idea what they want to do once the glorious bubble of college life bursts open to reveal the frightening outside world. The one thing most incoming Michigan football freshmen unequivocally do know is that they want to play football for Michigan.

The wholly unscientific and incomplete WHAC chart might seem as a shot fired at the sanctity of Michigan academics, but it was more likely a response, specifically designed for Ohio State prospects and parents rather than Michigan fans or bloggers

It's a riposte to an emerging recruiting pitch regarding the value of a Michigan degree versus one from Ohio State. The reason that Michigan has been isolated instead of, say, Northwestern (most Wildcats, like Buckeyes, are Communications majors) is because with Rich Rodriguez no longer in Ann Arbor, Michigan is back to recruiting the same players as Ohio State once again. There simply is no offseason in college football's greatest rivalry.

The likely reverberation will be Michigan coaches having to explain, again, why so many of its players end up as General Studies majors. It's an extremely answerable question that passes the red-face test without any challenges. That's not really the intent, though. This is a simple, short-attention span rebuttal to Michigan's value proposition.

Michigan's endowment is five times larger than Ohio State's, which itself is well into the billions. It's a more well-regarded school, which does not mean that Ohio State is not well-regarded. A former Michigan long-snapper asked me Saturday evening if Ohio State admissions were still "open enrollment" without sarcasm. (I said yes, also without sarcasm; never let them see you sweat, comrades)

Any perceived or hiring advantage of a General Studies degree from Michigan over a Family Resource Management degree (that's Home Ec, right?) from Ohio State is mitigated right around the time the probationary period begins at one's first job: That's when everyone forgets where you attended school and the focus shifts to your contribution to, ultimately, shareholder wealth or organizational goals. Both degrees are uncapped in terms of potential earnings and future failure.

Ohio State and Michigan are recruiting the best high school football players in the country. Their value propositions are quite similar; rivals hate to admit as such but they're often mirror-images of each other. Had Terrelle Pryor chosen his Michigan scholarship offer over his one from Ohio State, he probably would have majored in General Studies.

During his three years in Columbus, Pryor was "exploring" at an Academic All-Big Ten clip. He now earns a paycheck playing professional football, his vocation of choice. An incomplete General Studies degree wouldn't have been any more beneficial to that goal. If Pryor is going to succeed in life beyond football, it will be up to Pryor. It always comes back to the individual, not the individual's papers.

Michigan is ranked 28th in the current USNews & World Report ranking of national universities while Ohio State is 55th. Note that while Michigan has historically been referred to as "the Harvard of the Midwest" there is as much separation between Harvard (#1) and Michigan in the USNWR rankings as there is between Michigan and Ohio State.

Humorous or ironic as that may seem, getting tangled up in rankings is exactly as productive as transitive phallus-measuring exercises. That's all rankings are: A transcendent way to feel better or worse about yourself. There are no diploma mills or free passes in the Big Ten, least of all in Ann Arbor.

So forgive me for not getting too wound up by football players' or anyone else's college majors. There are just too many better variables by which to love or hate a football program. Besides, if Tom and Gisele can make ends meet through natural ability and hard work, there is no limit to what any one of us can accomplish.

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dumpus's picture

Family Resource Management - Home Ec?  Damn...way to let the cat out of the bag and ruin it for the rest of us, doucher.

 

Best Regards, 

'03 B.S. Human Ecology - Family Resource Management; Goldman Sachs Private Wealth Management alumnus. 

Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

Perhaps the sarcasm was not expressed adequately enough.

RBuck's picture

At first I thought it was sarcasm; but after looking at his profile I'm thinking not. Interests "your mom"? Leaving it up to you guys.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

LABuckeye's picture

Now, this is where I thought the new commenting policy was coming into play. Fine, Dumpus didn't like what you said, but is the "doucher" comment really a necessary add-on? There has been a lot of that on here recently.

Ethos's picture

oh come on now, we aren't turning the site into a military academy, just reigning in the swear words and personal insults.  He was obviously kidding.

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

LABuckeye's picture

I didn't think it was obvious, not that it matters. All I saw was a first-time commenter disagreeing with one of the better and more thought-provoking writers on the site and adding in "doucher", which is completely unnecessary.

Squirrel Master's picture

at least he didn't say "first"!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

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buckeyedude's picture

Son-of-a-@%*&#! I can't cuss in here anymore?

 

 

Denny's picture

He's just pointing out that Ramzy showered today, right? /Francophile

Taquitos.

LABuckeye's picture

How in the world did you do that eye thing?

Buckeye in Athens's picture

copy and paste from reddit haha

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poop's picture

Don't you have to be somewhere in 26 minutes DUMPUS?

addman1405's picture

I would like to know why the degree in fisheries and wildlife isnt sought after anymore. My uncle graduated with that same degree and ended up being the president of a bank in St. Louis.....strange how life works sometimes

Ethos's picture

Great article, though in my thoughtful opinion, you should of ended it with "Oh, and Michigan still sucks."

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

When my daughter was selecting colleges/universities to attend back in 2001, we were told The Ohio State University was "selective" enrollment. It had been that way for several years before 2001 and still is. She went on to be a cum laude graduate of TOSU in 2005.

AeroBuckeye2001's picture

I applied to OSU's engineering program in 1998, and it was anything but "open enrollment." I needed a certain ACT/SAT combo just to get into the engineering college before applying to my specialty (aerospace) as a junior, which itself had its own GPA minimums and requirements for engineering/math core classes.

The point of the article is well taken though. If you're a dumbass, you're not going to attend Harvard and somehow be transformed into a genius. Considering the vast majority of Michigan fans are of the Walmart variety, I don't see how their argument of "our school is better" pertains to anything. The whole school ranking thing is ridiculously irrelevant. As a student, your degree is whatever you make of it.

The Ohio State University Class of 2001
BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

Squirrel Master's picture

Excellent point. You can get an engineering degree from anywhere, Harvard or Michigan or Ohio State. It depends on what you do with it. I have met an engineering graduate from some prestigious University and where I met them was working the register at Seven Eleven.

I would be more impressed with who has succeed with an OSU degree vs. Meatchicken degree. I would be comfortable in comparing say.....Archie Griffin, George Steinbrenner and Jack Nicklaus.

oh and some guy named Bo!

 

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M Man's picture

Game on (just for the fun of it).  I cannot top your listing of Bo Schembechler (OSU M.A. '52), but this is my best shot:

•The aforementioned TOM BRADY, '00, future NFL Hall of Famer, current husband of Giselle Bundchen;

TOM HARMON, '41, Heisman Trophy winner, Number 1 NFL draft pick of the Chicago Bears, Army Air Corps pilot with three Japanese fighter kills, star of his own Hollywood biopic, sportscaster, Husband of film star Elyse Knox, father of Mark and Kelly Harmon. 

BARRY LARKIN, '86, and CHARLIE GEHRINGER '22 are in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

DARTH VADER (a/k/a JAMES EARL JONES), '55, HLHD'70;

BRANCH RICKEY, '11, former president and general manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers. Rickey was instrumental in bringing Jackie Robinson to the major leagues;

MIKE WALLACE, '39, HLLD'87, TV journalist for "60 Minutes";

TONY FADELL, '91, invented the iPod;

LARRY PAGE, '95, cofounded Google;

WILLIAM J. MAYO, MD 1883, co-founder of The Mayo Clinic;

STEPHEN M. ROSS, '62, a New York City real estate developer, provided a gift of $100 million to the University of Michigan Business School in 2004. It is the largest donation ever to an American business school and the largest gift to U-M in its 187-year history;

 •ROB SIEGEL, '93, former editor-in-chief of "The Onion";

WILLIAM SHAWN, '25-'27, was editor of The New Yorker for 36 years, 1951-87. 

CLARENCE DARROW, Law 1878, was an attorney for the Scopes Monkey trial and the Leopold-Loeb trial. 

GERALD FORD, '35, HLLD'74, center and linebacker on the Michigan Wolverines football team, including the '32 and '33 undefeated national champions.  Had a hole in one at the 1977 Danny Thomas Memphis Open.  Also, served on the Warren Commission, was Minority Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, and was Vice President of the United States from 1973 to 1974.  In addtion, was the 38th President of the United States. 

Bucknut-in-the-South's picture

Quite a list, M-Man, and though i agree with your rueful admission that Bo tops them all, here are a few more for your consideration:

 

Entertainment:  Ric Ocasek, Phil Ochs, Patricia Heaton, and Vince Doria (YIKES)

Business:  Les Wexner, Harry Drackett (windex), and Paul Iams

Arts:  James Thurber, Harlan Ellison (expelled), Roy Lichenstein, and RL Stine

Other "luminaries":  Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Lewis, and Ron O'Neal (Superfly)

 

For me, though, the one who really tops them all is Jesse Owens. 

NW Buckeye's picture

You have to add Milton Caniff to this list.  Very successful with Steve Canyon comic strip - look it up youngsters!!!!   He spoke at my wife's graduation from OSU.  

buckeyedude's picture

I believe Dwight Yoakam breifly attended tOSU. Not a big fan of country music, be he is one I can tolerate.
 

 

 

Abe Froman's picture

Solid list but this graduate of Ohio University and fan of Ohio State offers up one Ohio State graduate that arguably more of an impact than any other person:

Curtis LeMay, 4 star General in the USAF and BS in Civil Engineering from OSU circa 1934.

Personally responsible for low altitude bombing runs during WWII which officially 'neutralized' over 220,000 people and left 5 million homeless.  He noted that the massive loss of life actually shortened the war and therefore saved lives. 

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

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Kalamazoo Steve's picture

You don't get to claim Larkin anymore. He's ours now. Same with Sabo.

buckeyedude's picture

I have a family relative that went to the U of Michelin, and played a major sport(not football) there and majored in General Studies, ironically. For the record, the job that he is in now, didn't require a college degree at all.

I think I'm most impressed with Gerald Ford's hole in one.

 

 

M Man's picture

The prioritaztion for Gerry Ford was admittedly mine, based on the presumed level of personal thrill:

1.  Varsity football at Michigan;

2.  Hole-in-one in a PGA Tour Pro-Am;

3.  President of the United States and Leader of the Free World.

VestedInterest's picture

Personal thrill, is as a matter of course, in the eye of the beholder. My personal list for Gerry Ford starts and ends with his bumbling self falling down a flight of stairs ending in tarmack...just saying ;)

pcon258's picture

great article (feel like this has become a standard opening for articles that arent skull session/recap articles haha). i gota say i agree with you. i don't have much experience, but based on people ive spoken too, unless you attend one of the ivies, or schools like stanford, cal, etc., i really dont think college of choice/major makes as much of a difference as everyone seems to think. ramzy, you may just convince me to change to a history major, (my parents are gona hate you....) who needs to study excercise science to become a physical therapist, grad schools dont seem to care haha

LABuckeye's picture

As an employer, I don't pay a lot of attention to what college or university someone goes to as long it is a legitimate one. I care more about their experience and their intellect as perceived during interviews. Some of the worst consultants I have ever met have advanced degrees from Ivy League schools, and a couple of the better ones I know have no degree at all. That doesn't mean, however, that I don't think college is important.

ibuck's picture

Greenes’ Guides to The Public Ivies include all the public B1G schools (Rutgers & Maryland, too) except Nebraska & Purdue.  And private Northwestern is ranked 12th by U.S. News & World Report (which ranks Purdue #65 and UNL #101).  Generally, the Big Ten gives great education. But gifted individuals, like Steve Jobs, don't need degrees to succeed. For a lot of us, though, diplomas from good schools help get us into interviews.

 

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M Man's picture

Ah, Ramzy.  So much to agree with, and so little time...

First, I think Harbaugh was full of baloney when he slammed the BGS degree.  Had Harbaugh chosen a major in the LS&A school, his course work and requirements would have changed very little.  If Harbaugh wants to argue that his academic (football) advisors steered him away from some areas of academics, I might listen.  But picking on the BGS degree is just nonsensical.  A lot of what Jim Harbaugh says is for effect only.  He effects a lot of wins.  When he made that crack about BGS degrees, he was recruiting against Michigan and for Stanford.  A social critic he is not.

Second, one of the many myths about Rodriguez at Michigan was that he gave up on recruiting Ohio, in favor of Pahokee, Florida or something like that.  MGoBlog charted (naturally; I wish I could locate the link) the geographics of recruiting under Schembechler, Moeller, Carr and Rodriguez.  Without too much data regurgitation, what Brian and his data crunchers showed was that the real heyday of Michigan raiding Ohio for players occurred under Schembechler.  We took fewer Ohio kids under Moeller's brief tenure and significantly fewer Ohio kids under Carr's longer tenure.  Under Rodriguez, the 2.5 or 3 recruiting classes that he really had all to himself featured no fewer Ohio kids than Carr (myth--busted), but there was a minor falloff in the sheer numbers of instate Michigan kids.  (Due mostly to the small sample size and some oddities like Will Gholston who was virtually a legal adoptee into the MSU football program and was NEVER going to be a Michigan recruit.  Kthanxbye.)

"There are no diploma mills or free passes in the Big Ten, least of all in Ann Arbor."  Yes, sir.  And thank you for saying so.  And judging by the number of OSU football players in Engineering, business and biology, I say, "Right back at ya."  This isn't the SEC.  Nothing would please me more than to have Ohio State put up an emphatic defense to being an alleged football factory.

btw : I have to tell you; all Michigan grads get houses like that.  It is part of the deal.  That, and a membership at Bel Air or Riviera.  (I heard on the weekend golf telecast that Brady just joined Riviera.)  I just thought you and all of the remaining 4-stars in Ohio would like to know... 

Ethos's picture

M Man if that is the case, then a friend of mine who graduated from Michigan, is getting royally screwed.  ;)

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

M Man's picture

Maybe he just didn't like golf.

DefendOhio's picture

Something we can all agree on. Great article. 

btalbert25's picture

I've always found it a bit silly to compare academics of schools when football is the topic anyway.  I don't want to hear about how the SEC schools are horrible or Oklahoma is a joke etc etc.  It just is irrelevant when it comes to football.  I know people who went to NKU a soon to be Atlantic Sun Conference school, that are making a killing out there right now, and I know people who went to schools like Tulane who are still eating cheetos in their parents basement.  Like Ramzy says it's the person, not the piece of paper or ranking on US New and World Report's list.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be proud of the school of our favorite football team, or that academics aren't important.  I just don't believe they are relevant when we are talking about football. 

Johnny Ginter's picture

it's relevant when talking about the SEC, because many of their schools are generally pretty bad academically and render the concept of a "student-athlete" even more ridiculous than it already is. every school can and does allow athletes to operate by different academic rules than their peers, but at places like ole miss (#143 USNWR rankings) is becomes especially obvious

Maestro's picture

I have a degree from Texas Tech, hasn't stopped me from getting any job that I have wanted.

vacuuming sucks

buckeyedude's picture

I was voted "Least likely to succeed" at The School of Hard Knocks, Sigma Cum Lousy, and I have reached my full potential.

 

 

thatlillefty's picture

I wasn't even aware of the above sign... as much as we rip on meechigan, there is still a begruding respect for the school's tremendous acedemics.

But like you say... "There simply is no offseason in college football's greatest rivalry."
 

William's picture

The most important thing about this article is that you guys remembered to credit Kevin Noon with the taking of that picture. Wouldn't want anyone to throw another fit on Twitter.

btalbert25's picture

That was a ridiculous Twitter fit. 

William's picture

Seriously, I thought of tweeting a couple of pictures of hankies to Kevin Noon.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Kevin Noon?  Never heard of him.

sharkvsghost's picture

i had the same thought

swing hard in case you hit it.

Alhan's picture

I tried to warn Neft at 97.1 the fan...but alas, thier commenting doesn't work for some reason.

 

http://www.971thefan.com/#!/blogs/buckeye-show/2012/02/osu-football-majo...

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Poison nuts's picture

Good stuff once again. Although once I got to "transitive phallus measurement exercises" - the laughing inside my head may have kept me from fully comprehending the rest of the article...

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Denny's picture

Never go full-transitive.

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M Man's picture

Ann Arbor has city ordinances protecting the members of the full-transitive community.

Denny's picture

I assume these fine folks come from fully transitive lineages, having spent the previous three hundred years in Anne Arbole proving that their cousin's roommate's pal was bros with Napoleon. 

Taquitos.

timdogdad's picture

i know the stereotype for scum residents is that ohio is the worst state ever per some of the shirts i  saw sat night. along with with the classic ohio is a bunch of hill jacks,etc..  now granted the landscape of southern ohio is rather rural which makes it hard to keep good middle class employment  and sometimes  walmart is the best one can do. one can still have a damn nice life living in a 75k house with a used car that runs a long time. but before the suburban elitists in the mitton state start with the bad mouthing, let's do a geographical look at what is happening in the northern 2/3 rds of the state. i see that the line of commerce as i'll call it loosely runs from detroit( about one murder per day, just saying)  and runs through ann arbor, lansing, flnt and grand rapids.    now my question, how is one person who lives around bay city be any less of a hill jack than one in ironton,oh?  i mean, what kind of commerce is happening besides the southern third of michigan? it looks pretty barren on the map.  come on michigan students, lets be a little wiser when you wear the worst state ever shirts when you have detroit in your state and lots of rural land (perhaps more)  plus the upper penisula.  thanks for reading my general study of ohio and michigan...

Denny's picture

This is the greatest piece of satire that I have ever read.

Taquitos.

LABuckeye's picture

When I lived in Ohio I loved my trips to the UP. You just need to watch your back if you decide to go into the Yukon Inn wearing your Ohio State gear.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

You also have to watch your drinking a ton of Scotch with your girlfriend's father while sitting on his cabin's dock in the UP during the summer, letting him talk you into a bet that you couldn't stay in the Souix St. Marie for more than a minute!!!  Well, even in my gross state of intoxication, that water was F@#$ING frigid and I lost my breath the second my finger hit the water - I swear to god that I hit my head on an iceberg once fully submerged.  I know I scared some fish clear back to the ocean with the scream I produced!  Needless to say, I didn't live that one down the entire time we were dating!!!

 

Yes - I did lose that bet!!!

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NoVA Buckeye's picture

michigan's like canada: there's some populated areas in the south, nothing in the north

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AltaBuck's picture

"Blame Michigan" works for me.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

I don't like to see suffering of  a city and its people but as I work in real estate, I find it hilarious that the highest and best use of some areas of Detroit (inside the beltway) is urban farming. There are some nice areas of Detroit, but parts of the city have to be a pile for farming to be the best use of the area. 

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GABuckeye's picture

Michigan is the ONLY state from 2000-2010 whose population decreased. Hmmm....

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-01.pdf

Ian_InsideTheShoe's picture

I'm so glad you somehow, some way fit that Kevin Noon picture/arguement in. It's fantastic. Great article Ramzy.

addman1405's picture

So much Ramzy today. I read yesterdays article on Bucknuts AND his piece on here. 

 

The point is, its awesome. Keep up the good work.

Nutbuck1959's picture

Open enrollment? Hardly. My daughter is in limbo w/TOSU despite a 4.0 gpa and and a 26 ACT. She is not a sure thing. We have been told the average ACT last year was 28. OSU is the toughest in Ohio (state school) to get into. Sorry Miami if the truth hurts! It is simple supply and demand..so many want to go there they can be choosy. Would be interesting to know if apps went up after Urbs hired!!!

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Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

Sometimes college isn't for everybody. That's the same for non athletes just as much as it is for athletes. Football more specifically we're talking but other sports as well.

cal3713's picture

Regarding the "open enrollment" debate...  actually Ohio State does both (or at least did as of 3 years ago).  Any instate student will be accepted to Ohio State... but not to the main campus.  THE Ohio State University (i.e., the main campus in C-bus) has steadily increased their enrollment standards in an effort to become a more prestigious academic institution. To achieve this while also delivering a guaranteed public education to any willing Ohioan, however, they will accept any instate student to a branch campus location. I don't know for sure, but I believe these individuals get the chance to move to the main campus if they demonstrate that they can handle the course work over a year or two.

hodge's picture

Pretty sure it's a 2.0 or 2.5 average to be eligible to transfer to main campus after a year.  Basically, it's the same as any other academic transfer, it's just branch campus students get first priority.

OSU main campus is the most exclusive public university in the state, for what it's worth.  They passed Miami a little while back.

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toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Here are two more famous "M Men" that Michigan fans love to forget:  Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber and Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Both those guys are better than Mike Hart.

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Squirrel Master's picture

Yeah, problem with that is Jeffrey Dahmer attended at OSU for a year. I would prefer not to go the negative route.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Poison nuts's picture

Yikes....

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jack's picture

Ramzy, your writing is awesome.