Wednesday Skull Session

By Sarah on January 11, 2012 at 6:00a

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages. Another Wednesday is here, which is pretty exciting considering it's most people's fourth to sixth favorite day of the week.

The college football season is officially over, as are my electroshock treatments to erase this past one from my mind. That means basketball now has our undivided attention, just in time for Brandon Paul to pass his wizarding exams. I'd say he's on his way to becoming an Auror, but he will no doubt go 2/17 from the floor and score five points the next time Illinois hits the hardwood1.

Last night's loss confirmed the sinking feeling I've been having recently that if this team doesn't kick it in gear, particularly on the road, this season will be labeled a disappointment. It's possible I'm nothing more than an overly cynical sports fan at the moment; however, the Big Ten is too tough and the Buckeyes are playing inconsistently at best, sloppy at worst, since the Duke win.

On the bright side, Thad Matta tends to find a way to get his players on the right path and there's still plenty of time left, because what matters most is how this team performs in March, and hopefully, April.  

 SINGING, WE'RE GONNA VENT OUR FRUSTRATION. In their postgame session with reporters, Jared Sullinger and Aaron Craft didn't pull any punches with their comments, perhaps in an attempt to send a message to the rest of their squad. Separately, both sophomores mentioned that the team often struggles to play together. 

According to Craft, "You never know what team is going to show up. Some games we play hard and some games we don't. And every time we don't the other team makes us pay for it." He also claims that the same thing happens in practice, which suggests that Matta has probably aged 12 years in the past couple months.

Sully seems to recognize that if no one else will step up, he has to. Or, as he put it, "People say I'm the best basketball player on this team and if I draw the line, everyone else will. I have to take my leadership and my effort to a whole another level, and I guess this is the starting point." The Twitter specialist is even ready to take a break from social media. 

Everyone knew that once David Lighty's 20-year career at Ohio State ended, he would be missed. The leader and practicer extraordinaire cannot be replaced, but that shouldn't stop others from trying to imitate his workhorse mentality. Otherwise, sooner or later, we're all gonna blow a 50-amp fuse.

ALL DOWN THE LINE. Midseason reviews are out, and though it doesn't necessarily mean much until March, the Big Ten is flying Sam Thompson high. The Sporting News currently projects eight B1G teams to make the field of 68, more than any other conference. As of now, that consists of three #2 seeds (Ohio State, Michigan State, Indiana), with Northwestern sneaking in as a #12. Will this finally be the year the Wildcats get the invite, or will the NCAA Tournament Committee once again act as the Lucy to their Charlie Brown?

Mike DeCourcy from the same publication released his Midseason All-American selections. Sullinger is part of his first team, and Indiana's Cody Zeller and Michigan State's Draymond Green made his second and third teams, respectively. 

Granted this was written before 11pm, but Jason King outlined his four best bets for the Final Four: Kentucky, North Carolina, Ohio State, and Syracuse2. Something going for the Scarlet and Gray, even after the loss? As King pointed out, "Playing in the Big Ten, easily the nation's toughest conference this season, will help prepare Ohio State for March."

Now if someone on the team would start hitting 3-pointers on a regular basis...

This moment in dark magic history was brought to you by the Dispatch's Neal C. Lauron. I apologize.Paul Exceeds Expectations

YOU GOT TO ROLL ME AND CALL ME THE TUMBLING DICE. It's been over 24 hours since we closed the book on the 2011 college football season, so naturally, it's time to glance ahead at what next season will bring.

Adam Kramer posted the 2012 Heisman odds, as determined by sports betting website Bovada. USC's Matt Barkely is the early favorite with 7/2 odds, and right behind him are Denard Robinson and Montee Ball, both at 5/1. The other two B1G players included were Nebraska teammates Taylor Martinez (20/1) and Rex Burkhead (25/1). I probably wouldn't advise anyone to put money down on T-Magic, unless he was lining up against the '11 Ohio State defense for every game. 

College Football Talk also gave Barkley the nod as the Heisman front runner in their fairly comprehensive look at 2012. While it's unfortunate that Michigan is listed as the preseason #5 team, they do have to face off against #2 Alabama in their opener. 

In more pleasant news, Ohio State is considered a rising team, one that should be much better, if still learning the new ways under coach Urban Meyer. His return home, and whether he'll be in pre-2010 shape, was characterized as the second biggest storyline, right after, yet again, conference expansion. 

MY MIND IS OPEN WIDE AND NOW I'M READY TO START. Yesterday, commissioners from 11 conferences, along with Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick, convened to talk potential changes in college football's postseason system. Although a decision is not near, this was the first of as many as seven meetings the group will participate in over the next several months.

Later this month, Jim Delany will gather the ADs and presidents from each Big Ten school to continue debating the matter. The Commish, always a staunch opponent of playoffs, told the NY Times' Pete Thamel that he was "interested, curious and fully participating" as the 12 angry men3 began discussions on the subject of a four-team playoff.

While that most likely is political-speak for "I have not changed my mind on this", there is more of a willingness to broach the topic:  

"The environment has changed in the sense that we had five people who didn’t want to talk about it of the seven founders,” Delany said, comparing Tuesday with four years ago. “And I think the seven founders were the conferences plus Notre Dame, and four years ago five of us didn’t want to have the conversation. Now people want to have the conversation.”

Nothing is guaranteed, so it'd be premature to break out the Sam Cooke, but fingers crossed that this is the first step towards implementing a system that avoids a national championship game like the one we witnessed Monday night.

NOW OUR LIVES ARE CHANGING FAST. Speaking of changes, there are quite a few roster moves that have occurred recently. Iowa running back Marcus Coker, who rushed for over 1300 this past season, is transferring after being granted a release. The sophomore was suspended for the Insight Bowl due to a vague "student code violation", but the real reason may stem from an October sexual assault charge. 

Either way, 15-time Big Ten Coach of the Year recipient Kirk Ferentz remains tight-lipped. As of last week, freshman Mika'il McCall also defected. The Defense Against the Dark Arts-like curse on the Iowa RB slot can be traced back to Damian Sims from the 2004 recruiting class. Since then, of all 12 players to field that position, no one has stayed until his senior year. 

In East Lansing, cornerback Johnny Adams has decided to return for his senior season. The All-Big Ten first teamer recorded 3 picks and 51 tackles as a junior and will join seven other returning starters on the Michigan State defense. The only Spartans who have chosen to leave early for the draft are DT Jerel Worthy and RB Edwin Baker. 

Outside the B1G, Heisman winner Robert Griffin III is also reportedly headed to the NFL, where he should be the second QB selected after Andrew Luck. So far, 44 underclassmen have declared for the draft. 

One-upping Duron Carter is Tate Forcier, the former Michigan QB who started in front of Denard at one point. He flunked out of San Jose State after sitting out this past season as a transfer student. 

THEN WE LINK OF OUR PARENTS. OSU forward Danny Dries blogs about outdoor hockey... An overseas update on Jon Diebler (miss you!)... March Mad Men-ness... You gotta hear this one song... The 20 Worst Songs of the 90s... Bane unmasked (I knew it!)... AMA with Gus Fring... The varying definitions of a minute.

  • 1 They will be playing Penn State, perhaps the worst team in the conference, so you can pretty much bank on it. 
  • 2 In my distressed state the night the Cardinals won the World Series, I pessimistically predicted that Bama would win the football championship and that one of those four teams listed would capture the basketball title. You don't want to know which one, though. 
  • 3 I can imagine Mike Slive telling Delany, "The Big Ten don't play good football."

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SilverBullet33's picture

I like Sully on Twitter but it really does seem to take up too much time. This team lacks strong leaders. Someone needs to step up.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I'm still pissed off from that game. I will agree to having the same thoughts regarding how the regular season will prepare the team for tourney time. It should also have them playing amazing near the end of the season as they gel. But I'm still salty.

Baroclinicity's picture

Here's to hoping that this game and Craft/Sully's comments are the wake up call the team needs...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Rooster Buckburn's picture

The announcers said a couple times down the stretch that it appeared that Illinois was playing harder than the Buckeyes-interesting to hear Craft say that as well.

blazers34's picture

I know this won't be a popular opinion, but I am sick of watching Sully play shitty Team D.  He is great on his man, but it seems like he's late rotating a lot, and never pops out on screens.  Paul hit a few contested 3's yesterday, but a lot were wide open. I'm no expert, but from what I saw they kept running the screens for him with Sully's guy, knowing Sully wouldnt pop out or hedge.  I guess this could be coaching strategy too, but damn I just hope it stops.

Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Totally agree. Sullinger needs to commit to defense on the pick and pop. As good as he is, he's still a work in progress.

OldColumbusTown's picture

I think it does have a little to do with coaching philosophy.  Some of the defensive principles Matta's holds in highest regard are making teams shoot low-percentage shots, and not fouling.  If you give up even a slightly contested three as opposed to allowing a big man to roll toward the basket, catch, and have an opportunity for a higher-percentage shot or foul, Matta is going to take giving up the three every time.

I find it weird/funny/maddening that it seems the Buckeyes always get hit with some guy on the other team going absolutely bananas from three-point range.  Taylor and Moore last year, Paul so far this year... 

I can't quite put my finger on why it happens, other than that same philosophy.  If you are willing to give up the three but nothing else easy to the offense, more often than not you will be successful.  But if someone has a special night from behind the arc...  We've seen what happens.

blazers34's picture

yeah, you're probably right.  still, when a guy catches fire like that, you gotta switch up your strategy.  trust your help side D to rotate in time if you are worried about the big man rolling to the hoop

OldColumbusTown's picture

Completely agree, and I think that is something Matta needs to look at a bit closer.  I'd even like it if OSU would switch the defense up for a possession or two, just to give them a different look.  Illinois was running about two or three plays consistently for Paul.  Switch to a zone and throw them out of a rhythm.

That, or knock Paul on his butt once or twice, bump him hard off a screen... something, anything to put some doubt in his mind.

cplunk's picture

I honestly don't mind relatively close loses during the season. There is a conference tournament and an NCAA tournament, and I've always thought of the season as little more than prep for those (the reason I oppose a football playoff). 

I prefer the team to face some adversity and have their weaknesses exposed now, when they can work on them and correct them, so that they are at peak form in the tournament. Regular  season games are fairly close to meaningless.

CGroverL's picture

I feel the same... after last season's loss to Kentucky in the tournament, you'd think that the regular season is just a prep for March. To me, it is much more important for Matta to play at least 8 men as last year's 6 man rotation seemed like it made the Buckeyes have offensive droughts and had no real "spark" from the bench. No matter their record, I think the Bucks will be more dangerous in March if they play the bench more. Does it really matter if the Buckeyes are a #1 seed or a #4 seed? If they have some kind of bench, they will certainly be able to be a contender in March and possibly April.


I oppose a football playoff, too. I know that the world is against me here but I like the BCS and I think that it did suck to see Alabama get into the BCS title game after not winning their conference. The BCS was designed to put the #1 team against the #2 team, and I think it did that. I also like the bowl system, I just think that our beloved Buckeyes didn't belong in a bowl this year and there are too many bowls. Only 8 win teams should be invited to a bowl in my opinion.

"I hope they're last in everything". One of Meyer's comments when speaking of TTUN after being hired at Ohio State.



-1 HS
TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

I'm totally cool with 6-6 teams going to bowls, since most the teams selected are from the major conferences. Let's be honest, 6-6 Texas A&M wasn't a bad team. They just happened to play in the best conference in America this year (and yes, the Big XII was the best conference in America this past season... the results speak for themselves). And I enjoyed watching 6-6 A&M against 6-6 Northwestern. It was a fun game. If you boost it to 8-wins as a qualifier, you'll see even more creampuffs scheduled so teams can lock up four wins and thus be halfway there. The six win mark also gives teams more to play for down the stretch. How hard do you think Purdue would have played us had they been eliminated from bowl contention? Hope would have just put in the young guys to get them more experience. The six win mark gives the majority of teams something to play for down the stretch and it make the games more interesting. Now, I'd agree that there should be a rule against 6-7 teams. If you're under .500, you shouldn't be eligible, but that UCLA thing only happened because USC was banned from competing in the Pac-12 championship.

And I do like the BCS. I just wish they had the "conference champ" rule in affect for the championship game. Would have avoided the controversies created in 2001, 2003, and 2011. As long as you codify it, no one is going to complain. Think of how baseball was before wild card play. You didn't see teams complaining that they didn't get in the playoffs even if they had a better record than another division's champion. They know what they had to get done, and they completely understood why they were at home in October. As long as people understand what needs to get done going into things, they're less likely to complain. It's the subjectivity that annoys people.

Orlando Buckeye's picture

The list of 20 worst songs is way off.  Those are all pop songs that at least someone liked at one point.  They aren't songs I really want to listen to, but I wouldn't pull over and beat my child if they sang along to it on the radio.


A 20 worst songs list is not an authority unless listening to the "songs" makes you wonder, "is this even considered music."  Then somebody with "ironic" body odor and non-prescription glasses says, " INSERTSOMESHITHERE-core you wouldn't understand!"

Maestro's picture

Agreed, it's kind of all over the shop.  I completely agree with the inclusion of Lou Bega though.  That song makes me want to pull over and beat someone or run head on into an enbankment.

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CGroverL's picture

Orlando, eh? I lived in Orlando for 20+ years but I now live out in Deltucky (Deltona). Living out here makes you want to make a Kentucky reference to things...


I'm old but still listen to underground thrash metal. My favorite band is from Germany, they are called Kreator. My 2 daughters (12 and 9 years old) both listen to rap stuff and are constantly throwing it at me. The lyrics are quite disturbing for a father to hear his 12 year old daughter sing along to. She often is singing along and just leaves words out because of their explicit nature. I don't pull over and beat my girls for listening to that stuff but instead I make them listen to Kreator, Sodom, and other bands that make them ill. Anyway... since I never listen to mainstream music, I recognized only 3 or 4 of those songs. I was wondering though; is the metal that I listen to what you consider "INSERTSOMESHITHERE-core" music that people wouldn't understand? Don't think that I am offended. I'm not at all. People have different taste in music. I just have to know what "INSERTSOMESHITHERE-core" music is.

"I hope they're last in everything". One of Meyer's comments when speaking of TTUN after being hired at Ohio State.



-1 HS
Orlando Buckeye's picture

A few friends from my college years listened to music that they would describe as _____-core.  Almost any adjective would fit.  Nerdcore, hardcore, thrashcore, noisecore, metalcore, mathcore, skacore...etc.  Then it was emo, screamo, straight edge, whatever.



Denny's picture

Fiona Apple-Core is the *most* core.


tampa buckeye's picture

You can not chase off a baseline screen. That cost them the game. Not a big deal we crush IU at home next week.

Jdadams01's picture

This. Thw only reason Illinois was even in that game was because Paul went HAM.

BucksfanXC's picture

I now have Rococo stuck in my head.

I can make excuses all day (no Sully at Kansas, refs at Indiana, Paul's miracle night at Illinois), but this team needs to start winning on the road. I want to see them win at Breslin, Crysler and Kohl Center. Somebody not named Craft or Sullinger better step up their game and quick.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

OldColumbusTown's picture

Agreed - this team has to come up with some grit, and quickly.  Last year, they just seemed to always make a play to stem the tide.  Lighty, Diebler, Craft, Sully.  When you lose a few of those guys, somebody else now has to step up into that role.  That's the problem with youth and inexperience.  Until somebody actually does it, it's hard to know who you can count on to get it done.

cronimi's picture

^This.  Buford is not living up to his duties as the senior starter. Who are the leaders on this team? Sully looked like he checked out during one of the final time-outs. Craft (among others) was passing lazily, often resulting in turnovers. No deep threat. No toughness. It's as if they thought they had the refs from the IU game who would blow the whistle every trip down the floor -- once it was clear the refs would let them play, they needed to get more physical. This squad has so much potential, but they need to realize that potential on the road.

CGroverL's picture

Buford always seems to be the guy that you expect to be the Buckeyes' best player NEXT YEAR. Hopefully he will start to play to his strengths and become the threat we always wanted him to become. Buford SHOULD be the team leader even if Sullinger is the "best" player. By March, I really think that he will have embraced his role, and will have Ohio State looking at a Final Four and title.

Go Bucks!

"I hope they're last in everything". One of Meyer's comments when speaking of TTUN after being hired at Ohio State.



-1 HS
blazers34's picture

they have to try to get Amir Williams more run. I like Ravenal and all, but I dont think Matta trusts him either.  Sully is gonna need a blow from time to time.

FLAMikey's picture

-Agree. Ravenal is basically a stiff. He can set up in the post and call for the ball, but has no idea what to do once he gets it. With no credible back-up, Sully is crippled defensively once he picks up a couple of fouls. At that point can't guard his man agressively, and he provides only token help D.

Amir is going to have to step up quickly.

Maestro's picture

Thanks for The Shins link, and although Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm did get played out that Crash Test Dummies album has some good songs on it.  God Shuffled His Feet comes to mind, although the video might be the worst ever.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I could barely make it through the entire game.  It appears that they believe just showing up is enough to win the game.  Totally pathetic performances as of late!

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awwwwwwop's picture

I think the problem is that when you watch them on offense, Thomas, spoon, and thompson all play exactly the same. Thomas can shoot the 3 but he stays down low with Sully.  There is just no changeup from this team.  There is nobody on the bench who can come in and show the other team something different.  Right now, smith, craft, spoon, and thompson are all offensive liabilities if you keep them from the rim and so teams are not having much trouble harassing Sully and WB

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

i said it last night..i'll say it again...Buford is no longer the best option out there. His absolute lackluster of shooting, taking up minutes, taking off towards the basket without a prayer, stupid turnovers..and what about that absolutely ignorant foul last night? he looked like a frustrated child and this is supposed to be one of the leaders and our senior. Right before half he went up for a shot and you could tell he isn't even sure of his own frickin shot...he decided last minute to try to bank it off the backboard. His continuing lackluster performances when needed the most is just adding to the fact that this team DOES NOT know how to play in a close game...period. I expect a lot more out of a Matta coached team..especially with a team with this much talent and i've even seen half-assing coming from Aaron Craft which i just didn't expect. Something is going on and it needs to be fixed immediately.

Yes we still only have 3 losses, but these 3 losses are almost a blueprint for other teams. If we come back and destroy these teams at home it won't mean anything if we can't get our heads out of our asses on the road b/c guess what? not a single postseason game will be played at home

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

ps...has this been discussed? did you guys secretly do away with the "recent comments" section? lol

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

RoweTrain's picture

Check under "Active in the forum" on the right side of the page.

"Just bow up and go out and play." ~ D. Lee

"As it stands right now, I know I am the best athlete in college football." ~ B. Miller

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

bingo bango

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

Shannon Scott didn't get one minute last night. He's the only player on the bench who can bring something different to the offense and you can tell his confidence is growing. 

Matta's got to get out of this Atlantic-10 mentality that you can get by only using 5 or 6, or we will lose in the Elite Eight. 

Buckeye06's picture

Games like this happen.  Guys go off every once in a while; Paul had like the 3rd most points in Ill. history last night.  His last 3 pointer over craft was an absolute answered prayer. 

That said, Ill. scored 40 points in the second half last night.  Why OSU doesn't go inside and tell Sullinger that we're going to live and die by you is beyond me.  Anyway, these are all good teams (top 16 caliber) who OSU has lost to thus far on the road.  Neutral courts give OSU wins in all of them. 


Go Bucks, get better every day

GhostofWoody's picture

I agree with BUCKSFANXC.   Every time we'd make a run and get a lead, we seemed to relax and let the Illini back in the game.  You can't continually do that on the road and win.  We should have built on the 11 pt lead early in the 2nd half and put them away on the road.  I was at the SC game, and it nearly happened there as well.  I am really disappointed that late in close games, Craft and Buford have made key turnovers.  On the other hand, Paul's performance was ridiculous.   I knew we were doomed when Weber called a time-out with 4 sec on shot clock and then Paul made a fall away 3 with Craft in his shorts on the in bound play.  

I can take some comfort that llike last year, it requires somebody like a Jordan Taylor or Moore from Purdue to have a career day on us to beat us.  

awwwwwwop's picture

But that isnt good. No player should be able to drop 40 on you.  20? sure.  but after that you have to do something to slow that player down.  In the tournament, a player goes for 30 or 40, YOUR SEASON IS OVER.  It has to be fixed.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

BuckeyeMark's picture

absolutely spot on ... you can't let someone go ape on you in March or you end up going home and watching that team get beat by 30 in the next game as Mr. Hot Hand can't find the rim.

BuckeyeMark's picture

absolutely spot on ... you can't let someone go ape on you in March or you end up going home and watching that team get beat by 30 in the next game as Mr. Hot Hand can't find the rim.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

That was the most frustrating part of last night - watching this kid fire up three pointers all night.  For f@#$ sake guys, after about the 4th 3 pointer, somebody should have been on him like a wet shirt to a point he would be having trouble breathing!  Ridiculous to let one guy fire up so many shots when he was that hot.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Maestro's picture

Sometimes it just isn't your night.  That kid was unconscious.  On him like a wet shirt is exactly what Craft was when Paul made the dagger 3 late in the game.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I'm tired of seeing the same old crap like this.  I'm tired of seeing guys go off and we don't do a damn thing about it.  I'm tired of seeing our guys not make plays that our inferior opponents can make. 

It's nice that Craft defended that one shot on the in-bounds play with 4 seconds on the shot clock so well.  It was a lucky ass shot and that kid probably knows it.  But if you defend every one of his shots like this, or at least in some capacity, I highly doubt that kid is good enough to score more than 10 points.  It was his night, but we let it be his night. 

I don't understand why we don't adjust our defense.  I don't understand why we don't just dump a guy like that on his ass so hard that he forgets just how hot he is.  Hard fouls are part of the game, though in this day and age of increasing pussiness, I don't know how it will go over.  Send a message.  Sometimes, I think that the philosophy is that we'll just outscore them if it comes down to the defensive philosophy not working.  And I'm sure that on a better shooting night, we would. 

And why the hell can't we play in the final minute of a close game?  I swear it seems like our guys' hands are greased up the way they fumble the dribble and can't corral rebounds sometimes. 

This team better figure out their stuff or we won't get past the 2nd round.  Or is it the 3rd round now with the new tourney format?

Class of 2010.

buckeyeEddie27's picture

This "team" isnt half as good as they are said to be.   Until the whole is greater than the sum of its parts -expect this kind of result. 

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

BuckeyeMark's picture

How is it possible you missed comparing Lou Henson to Voldemort?

btalbert25's picture

A little adversity is good for them.  They have a lot of really good parts, they lost a couple key parts from last year, they just have to get the chemistry down.  By march they'll be fine.  I think UK last year lost all but 1 or 2 conference road games last season and they ended up in the final four.  UConn wasn't elite during the regular season, just preseason tournament, conference tourney, and NCAA. 

They have a lot of new parts and pieces that just have to figure out how to work together correctly.  This is a team that will end up being pretty special.  They are deeper than last year's squad, they have to just figure things out.  Dallas, Diebs, and Lighty played a lot of games together, it's hard to lose that kind of experience and chemistry and not miss a beat.  They'll get it figured out.

DarkBeer's picture

Buford needs some time on the bench until he gets out of this current slump.  At Iowa he played 35 minutes, went 3 of 14, but at least contributed 11 rebounds and 5 assists.  Last night was 37 minutes and he went 7 of 18, 3 rebounds, 0 assists and 4 turnovers.  Diebler went through phases where he was cold.  I just don't understand why Matta thinks leaving the guy in there to fight through it is the only answer.  We have plenty of options to try on the bench.  Let Buford try and get his swagger back at a home game, then try again on the next road game.  The minutes played by Buford just doesn't make sense when you look at the results you get for those minutes.  Shake it up a bit and perhaps you find another person that creates the right chemistry to win on the road.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

Agreed, maybe it's time to let the WB sit and get his head straight for a game or two, play him reduced minutes.    Give Sibert a chance and see how he does.   Sibert has been streaky, maybe he just needs some meaningful floor time.   Or maybe it's time to see if Ross can contribute this year.  Shake it up a bit, maybe that will wake some guys up.   Gotta come hard every single night, not just at home or when you feel like it.  And someone mentioned it above, but Buford was letting his frustration show last night, gotta stay level headed.  Don't be running your mouth and getting chippy with guys just cuz you are in a slump.

I will say I have been much happier with Matta's bench use this year, getting more guys quality minutes will greatly help in March.   We can't try to do it with just 6-7 guys again.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

"Sibert has been streaky?" He's had four games in his entire career where he's hit multiple three-pointers on at least 50 percent shooting, and the closest of those games was a 25-point win. If anything, he hasn't been streaky enough, because this team is badly missing scoring off the bench.

It might be time for Smith to start looking for his shot a bit more often. He's made the threes at a decent rate when he's tried them.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

He has been streaky, in the very few minutes he has gotten.   My point is, we don't know what we have with him, and until he plays we can't be sure.   Has shot a below average 26% from 3 point range this season, but when you come off the bench cold and try to bury a three, it's a tall task to shoot well.  

In games he has played over 15 minutes this year (7 of them) he's shooting 3's at 41%.   In games where he has played under 15 minutes (9 of them) he is shooting 6%.  Yes, 6 %.  Yikes.  Small sample size, sure, but just trying to back up my point, give the kid a shot.   Can it be worse than Buford right now?  Can't really say.

I agree Smith should be taking more 3's, he leads the team at 48%.   Followed by...wait for it....Sully at 46%.   Buford and Thomas both at 36%.   Feeds right into the common belief that we don't have consistent enough outside threats to keep teams from packing down tighter to the hoop. 


Bucksfan's picture

It could very well be that this basketball team just isn't as good as we want to think it is.

BT mentioned that adversity is good.  Some mentioned rotating guys in off the bench.  The reality is that this team has already had enough adversity to satisfy a team for 5 years...losing in last year's sweet-16 to Kentucky, losing Sully for part of this season, losing to Kansas and losing to Indiana.  Now, losing to unranked Illinois because you can't guard their best player?!

Matta doesn't really use a bench (meaning being able to rotate up to 7 non-starters instead of just 2), so that's just wishful thinking.

This team should not be losing these games.  But they are.  Eventually you have to call a spade a spade.  If it's their attitude, well then, I guess I don't have to give a sh*t about them, either.

btalbert25's picture

Eh, I don't know, it's not exactly as if they just blasted everyone last year.  They had some close games against inferior teams last year. Northwestern damn near beat them 2 times last year.  Sometimes it takes a team til February to really get their identity. 

A lot of teams struggle early on then toward the end of conference play get it together, make a run and end up with a high seed.  I think they'll be just fine.  I'm not predicting a championship, because quite honestly a lot can happen between now and then, but I still think they are a pretty damn good team.

Bucksfan's picture

But that's what worries me.  They started out blazing, and basically razed Duke to the ground.  Since then they lost to both ranked teams they've played, and now to an unranked team because of a self-admitted lack of effort?  Doesn't sound like they're finding their identity...sounds more like they have already found it.

btalbert25's picture

They've also come on the road.  The Kansas loss they were missing one of the best teams in America and well indiana is pretty damn good, they beat the number one team at the time at home and the number 2 team at the time at home.  I'm not going to get too worked up just yet.  The BIg 10 is the best B-Ball conference this year, we'll know in a couple of weeks how legit they are.

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

Just wondering but is anyone aware that the Walrus got hired at Boston College as their O-line coach and running game coordinator?? What the heck kinda position is a running game coordinator??

Ethos's picture

yeah there was a hilarious article on here about him, which is where my quote comes from.

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

BTwrestle04's picture

Totally off-topic here, but they really need to do away with pre-season rankings. I'm seeing early rankings of Michigan at 5. The only reason they can possibly be ranked that high is to hype up the match-up in week 1 with Alabama. 

William's picture

Pre-season rankings are such garbage.

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

I definitely missed that article about Bollman. Meanwhile, I think we can all agree that watching OSU Football in the future will be a lot like watching porn. No more frustrating dave plays, false starts, and poor pass blocking.


Looking forward to some fireworks on offense and some ass kickery in the pass blocking and play calling.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

Remind me not to watch games at your house...ha ha, love the analogy.....

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Scary that these guys are acknowledging that they are being out-hustled and its occurring not only in games but also in practice.  Hope Matta turns that around real quick.  Or its gonna get ugly. 

"At critical moments throughout the season, we learned about the character of this football team.  This was a team of true character, of true resilience." -- President Barack Obama

Pam's picture

"I can imagine Mike Slive telling Delany, "The Big Ten don't play good football."

More like "The Big Ten don't play big boy football."