Buckeye Board: The Final Countdown

By Jeremy Birmingham on January 24, 2012 at 4:00p
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Tommy SchuttJalin Marshall could be the next 2013 verbal

Hello again Buckeye fans, and a hearty welcome to those whose allegiances lay with our rivals as well. Welcome to your bi-weekly look at Ohio State football recruiting. It's a been a crazy last 14 days for the Buckeyes as once again Urban Meyer went verbal commitment bonkers; securing pledges in the last two weeks from Vandalia Butler offensive tackle Taylor Decker, Colorado offensive guard Joey O'Connor (a former Penn State commitment), South Bend LB David Perkins, Massachusetts linebacker Camren Williams (a former Penn State commitment) and finally 2013 defensive back Cam Burrows from Trotwood-Madison High School.

It's now Tuesday the 24th, and we have eight days remaining until signing day. A day that once looked like the "starting over" point on a throw-away class of 2012 should end with the Buckeyes ending the recruiting race with a top three class nationally on nearly every recruiting network. 

It's simply unbelievable to consider what Urban Meyer and his staff have been able to accomplish in such a short amount of time. The 2012 ride has been short but terrific, and the 2013 class is already off to a great start with Burrows. It's also likely to gain its first five-star commitment next Tuesday when Middletown athlete Jalin Marshall announces his college decision; an announcement that is likely to make Buckeye fans very happy.

As we discussed last time, the once struggling Ohio State 2012 recruiting class has picked up a significant amount of steam since the public announcement of the Urban Meyer hiring in late November. 

WHERE WE ARE TODAY

Ohio State now sits with 23 commitments for the 2012 recruiting class, and that number still looks like it could climb to high as 28 if the kids they are after decide to choose the scarlet and gray. With the veiled news yesterday that Pickerington WR Roger Lewis will likely end up at Fork Union Military Academy to work out some grade issues, it lowers the current number to 22.

The additions in the past two weeks have catapulted Ohio State to the #3 ranking nationally on Scout, Rivals and 24/7 and up 8th on the ESPNU team rankings. Since Meyer's official announcement as the head coach, there is no team that has done more "damage" recruiting wise than the Buckeyes, a testament to Meyer's "cool" level with the high school kids and coaches. I think the retention of key assistants like Luke Fickell, Mike Vrabel and Stan Drayton helped as well, because when it comes to recruiting, continuity of staff is vital as we've seen with the flops of O'Connor, Williams, Decker, etc.

2012 Ohio State Commitment List
NAME POS Scout rivals 24/7 ESPN Hometown
Cardale Jones QB *** *** **** N/R Cleveland, OH
Bri'onte Dunn RB ***** **** **** **** Canton, OH
Warren Ball RB **** **** **** *** Columbus, OH
Mike Thomas WR **** **** *** N/R Los Angeles, CA
Frank Epitropoulus WR *** *** *** *** Upper Arlington, OH
Roger Lewis WR *** *** *** *** Pickerington, OH
Ricquan Southward WR *** *** *** **** Lakeland, FL
Blake Thomas TE *** *** *** *** Cleveland, OH
Taylor Decker OT **** **** **** *** Vandalia, OH
Patrick Elflein G *** *** *** **** Pickerington, OH
Joey O'Connor G *** **** *** **** Windsor, CO
Jacoby Boren G *** *** *** *** Pickerington, OH
Tommy Schutt DT ***** **** **** **** Glen Ellyn, IL
Adolphus Washington DE ***** **** ***** **** Cincinnati, OH
Se'Von Pittman DE **** **** **** **** Canton, OH
Noah Spence DE ***** ***** ***** ***** Harrisburg, PA
David Perkins LB **** **** **** **** South Bend, IN
Camren Williams LB **** **** **** *** West Roxbury, MA
Joshua Perry LB **** **** **** **** Lewis Center, OH
Luke Roberts LB *** *** *** *** Lancaster, OH
Devan Bogard DB **** **** **** *** Cleveland, OH
Najee Murray DB **** *** *** *** Steubenville, OH
Tyvis Powell DB *** *** *** ** Bedford, OH

Who Once Was But No Longer Is

The board is dwindling and the number of uncommitted prospects that are in play for the Buckeyes continues to shrink, but the relatively small group left is big on talent. It's taking some time to adjust to the new style of recruiting that this staff employs, but it's impossible to not love the results. 

Not every kid is going to be as enamored with Meyer and the Buckeyes as we'd like, so inevitably there will be people dropping in and off the board almost daily. For now, it appears that Jameis Winston, the mobile QB from Alabama will not be visiting Ohio State and it appears his commitment to Florida State will hold. WR Joel Caleb seems to moved to plan "B" type of recruit for Meyer and his staff as they pursue smaller, faster, shiftier wide receivers. 

Dalton Santos, the Tennessee LB commit from Texas was scheduled to visit Ohio State this weekend, but as of now, it doesn't appear that will happen, either. The commitments of Williams and Perkins, along with the chance that North Carolina LB Jamal Marcus could join the Meyer Machine soon would wrap up the linebacker spot, leaving Santos on the outside looking in if he was truly interested to begin with.

What's not known yet is how the Buckeyes sit with Scottsdale, AZ athlete Davonte' Neal, who visited Arkansas last weekend. I get the feeling that Neal stays close to home in Arizona, but he did make a visit to Ohio State, and that's a big step in this process for any kid. 

So Who Still Is?

Stefon Diggs - Wide Receiver - Baltimore, MD There's some rumors going around that Diggs, the explosive WR from Maryland who has long been favoring Florida and Auburn in his recruitment, has decided to once more give the Buckeyes a peak, and that he would be taking a visit to Ohio this upcoming weekend, and then make his decision a week after signing day. While that visit has yet to be confirmed, it does appear that Diggs would at least like to make the trip, a clear sign that Urban hasn't given up on this one yet. Until he makes a firm decision about visiting and then actually arrives in Columbus however, this one is still nothing more than a pipedream.

Jordan Diamond - Offensive Tackle - Chicago, IL Not many players in this year's recruiting class have seemed to enjoy playing the recruiting "game" more than Diamond. The five-star tackle is a big target for Meyer and the Buckeyes. The Buckeyes need all the help at tackle they can get, but more than that, it's one of a few direct battles between Ohio State and Michigan in this year's recruiting class (despite reports that Diamond is down to Michigan and Arkansas, which I just don't buy). Diamond is also an important target as it pertains to getting some sort of established recruiting presence in the talent-rich Chicago area. He will make his decision two days after signing day, next Friday, February 3rd.

Kyle Dodson - Offensive Tackle - Cleveland, OH Since Dodson visited Ohio State in December, most have speculated that it's only a "matter of time" until he decides to switch his verbal commitment from Wisconsin to Ohio State, and that may happen this Saturday when Dodson makes the call to coaches recruiting him to let them know where he will be matriculating. It's hard to see him staying at Wisconsin, considering they have had 129 assistant coaches depart since the Rose Bowl, and not many places make "sense" for him like OSU does. Like Diamond, he's a big-time prospect at a position of great need for the Buckeyes, but unlike Diamond, he grew up in the Buckeyes back yard and as a fan of Ohio State. The only school that could sway him in my opinion is Auburn, and that would be a serious surprise. Wait until Saturday to find out.

Bam Bradley - Defensive Back- Trotwood, OH With the commitment of Cam Burrows, the idea that Bradley would be the one to open the Trotwood-Madison pipeline goes out the window, and despite the Buckeyes being a player in his recruitment since day one, it just doesn't look like Bradley wants to be a Buckeye. With the shrinking window of opportunity to join the class, Bam has been in no hurry to get aboard and instead seems to be looking for reasons to go anywhere but Ohio State. In my mind, he's a Stanford Cardinal and unless something happens with his admissions to Stanford to prevent it, that won't change. Cross this one off the list.

Demetrious Cox - Defensive Back - Jeannette, PA Another player who has long been recruited by Ohio State, Cox made his visit to Columbus last weekend and seemed to have a pretty good time, although he did not commit. It seems to be coming down to Ohio State and Michigan State for Cox, and Scout's Bob Lichtenfels, the director of recruiting for Pennsylvania seems to think the Spartans are the team to beat for him. I don't know Cox, but I know Bob well enough to know that going against his read on the PA kids is rarely a good idea, so maybe this one is trending away from the Buckeyes as well.

Armani Reeves - Defensive Back - West Roxbury, MA The recruitment of Armani Reeves, like the recruitment of Jordan Diamond, has bigger implications than just losing out on a top 10 player at a position of dire need for the Buckeyes. Reeves, a former Penn State commitment has eliminated the Nittany Lions (apparently) after his recent visit to Ohio State with his best friend and high school teammate Cam Williams. Williams made his commitment public on the trip, but Reeves did not and went back home to Roxbury to mull things over. He was visited by Urban Meyer, Luke Fickell and Everett Withers last night and will have Michigan DC Greg Mattison in-home tonight, with both schools pushing for a verbal. Ohio State has advantages on the depth chart, with his best friend committed, academic program wise, etc; but without a current position coach to recruit him, that's hindering the Buckeyes in my opinion. 

WHAT SAY YOU, ALEX and JEREMY?

Where will Demetrious Cox decide to play next year? Ohio State or MSU?

It's been a heckuva few months since Urban took over at Ohio State, a recruiting run like nothing I've seen since I started following recruiting 15 years ago. It's an incredible thing to watch a master at work, but it's hard to not worry that going so hard after so many guys leaves a few players feeling perhaps that they're just cogs in a machine and not indispensable pieces to a championship run.

That being said, we both think this class ends up with a few more studs, and that Ohio State will be positioning themselves for a tremendous run at the recruiting "championship" in 2013. 

I think it's vital that Ohio State get a defensive backs coach in place quickly as four of the remaining seven targets (including Davonte' Neal) are potential defensive backs, and not knowing who the coach will be could be the only real chink that competing schools can point out in Meyer's substantial armor.

I don't believe that the Buckeyes will win out on Jordan Diamond, neither does Alex. Perhaps we are just used to Jim Tressel losing out on this type of "game player", and don't know the power of Urban? Either way, the class will end up being far better than we could have imagined 9 weeks ago. 

Add to my list below "one of Diggs or Neal" and this is how Alex and I see it wrapping up. 

Next week we'll break down the final signing list (unless Diggs or Diamond chooses OSU post signing day). See you then.

The 11W Wrap-Up
alex     Jeremy
OT Kyle Dodson OT Kyle Dodson
LB Jamal Marcus LB Jamal Marcus
DB Demetrious Cox DB Armani Reeves
DB Armani Reeves  
ATH Davonte' Neal  

 

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Jeremy Birmingham's picture

Note: According to Scout.com's Bill Greene, the Buckeyes have not contacted Jordan Diamond since his official visit, so it appears he is no longer in their plans.

Someone I trust very close to the Ohio State recruiting scene told me a while back that the Buckeyes  were worried what it might take to get Diamond, and that would jive with the staff's decision to remove him from their plans. 

Northbrook's picture

It is going to be very interesting to see where Diamond ends up then.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

my money is he'll end up at scUM.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

GABuckeye's picture

"Someone I trust very close to the Ohio State recruiting scene told me a while back that the Buckeyes  were worried what it might take to get Diamond"

What does this mean?  A little $$ under the table?!?!

BucksfanXC's picture

I think it means Urban starts looking a little too much like Saban and has to make some guys medically redshirt.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

M tots's picture

Why would he be different than any other recruit in that sense?  Greene / Jeremy reported we hadn't contacted him since his official visit (at the beginning of this month? I don't remember exactly when it was). Yet we have taken pledges from several other players since then...

William's picture

Medically redshirt? You mean take medical hardships? Nothing Meyer has done has signaled that he would force players out to make room for commitments. Meyer despises oversigning, as in going over the 85 (in our case 82 player limit) Don't know what you're talking about exactly.

Catch 5's picture

Um, within one week of being notified that tOSU was losing 3 scholarships, Melvin Fellows and Scott McVey were put on medical hardship scholarships.  That along with the announced transfer of Taylor Graham got tOSU to 82 (counting returning scholarship players and commitments).

Since then,

Jeremy Cash announced his transfer on Jan 14, just in time for Taylor Decker's commitment on Jan 15

DerJuan Gambrill and Dominic Clarke were removed from the team on Jan 16, then Joey O'Conner (Jan 17) and David Perkins (Jan 18) committed.

Carmen Williams jumped the gun by committing on Jan 20, putting OSU's count at 83 until David Durham made room by announcing his transfer on Jan 23.

This board is touting several players still expected to commit, yet OSU is full.  If OSU and Meyer hate oversigning, who has to leave between now and next week for these 4-6 more commits to come in, and do you not find it questionable how each commit since Christmas has been accompanied with a transfer/removal/medical?

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

btalbert25's picture

I'm with you here.  I think there have been moves so far that, if an SEC school pulling them people would be having a fit, but I'm not completely offended about oversigning like some people are.  I don't like all of the methods coaches use to oversign, but some don't bother me.  Like many things, I don't think it's black and white, I do believe there is some gray area when it comes to the topic.

ThirdLegLouie's picture

POSTER CHALLENGE: Find a scenario in college football in which there was a major coaching staff change and roster attrition did NOT take place.

If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target

 
btalbert25's picture

I didn't say attrition doesn't take place, but I'm saying that if the recruiting season unfolded like it has so far at Alabama people would be having a fit about oversigning.  Techincally, Ohio State hasn't oversigned at all yet.  Their class is under 25 and they are at 82, or will be under with departures of Berry etc.  SO, they haven't oversigned anyone yet, but my point is and has been if this kind of attrition happened anywhere else people would be pissed off.

For what it's worth, I think it's fine, Urban should be able to approach kids and tell them if they have a place in his system or not, and they should be able to take off and go somewhere else.  I also think this is an ok discussion for any coach to have at any point in their career.  That's why I don't mind oversigning all that much if it's done in this manner.

William's picture

I agree with everything you've said Btalbert. However when someone like Catch 5 is trying to twist something into an entirely different thing, then I have to vehemently disagree with them. I have the same stance on oversigning that you do.

Catch 5's picture

Then I'd say we are pretty much in agreement.  My initial post was in response to your statement that Meyer wouldn't "force players out to make room for commitments" because he "despises oversigning".  I took that as a shot at schools that oversign, insinuating that they force players out to make room.  You have to admit that a lot of people hold this view - that every transfer from an SEC West team is a kid being kicked out.  What I posted was meant to show what it would look like if OSU was looked at in the same fashion.  Re-reading it, I agree that my tounge-in -cheek/devil's advocate intention did not come across as I intended, and for that, I'm sorry.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Baroclinicity's picture

I can't speak for all these cases, but you can't act like Dominic Clarke getting booted was just some scrub that was unwanted.  Dude had already contributed and was a stud in the making.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

William's picture

I can speak for all of them, posted it below. The poster, Catch 5, has no idea what they're talking about.

cplunk's picture

OSU is not full. Early enrollees count as last year's class. six of those you are counting should therefore not be in your total.

Catch 5's picture

Go to the link below and let me know who shouldn't count.  It simply lists every player by class (freshman, sophomore, etc), including the new signees with the redshirt freshmen.  OSU currently has 82 names.  If it is in error, then I stand corrected - please let me know.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

William's picture

No you're right that we currently stand at 82. Cplunk is stating that 6 of our early enrollees may count towards last years class, which would enable us to sign more, however we won't be signing many more, I only see this class getting at the most 4 more players.

Catch 5's picture

http://ohiostate.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=917&CID=1310872

Sorry, I didn't past the link in my previous remark.

So what is the difference between OSU and Alabama?  If OSU gets these 4 more players, they will need to "kick off" 4 more players over the next week or they will have oversigned, right?  What is the difference between that and Bama, where they simply wait until the kids finishes the school year before telling them to hit the road?

*Again - devil's advocate.  If you look at Bama as kicking kids off, you must do the same here.  I personally don't think either are doing anything wrong.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

William's picture

I don't care about going over the 25 player limit when it comes to oversigning, just the 85 or in our case 82. As for Fellows, and McVey neither has been able to stay healthy for two consecutive seasons, and that's due to injuries during training and excercise, not even gameplay. Secondly Cash's transfer was unexpected in its entirety. Third, Graham made the decision that was best for him, not the team. Fourth Clarke and Gambrell both deserved to be kicked off the team, Clarke with his second run-in with the law in less than 6-8 months, this for OVI, and Gambrell's second assault charge, in which he beat his girlfriend, certainly necessitates his removal from the team. Durham was behind both Boren and Homan on the depth chart, by transferring to Pitt he will see the field immediately under Chryst. I could care less if any team, let alone OSU goes over the 25 player limit, but to insinuate that Meyer is removing players to make room is a little outrageous. Have you ever seen what happens with a coaching change? It's called attrition. Also since you'll most likely flip out when the next commit takes place, look for Hagan to get a medical harship, the guy has a heart condition, so I doubt he doesn't get a medical hardship, but according to your skepticism that would be wrong, so you can just wait for him to pull a Hank Gathers on the gridiron..

Baroclinicity's picture

You beat me to it on Fellows... he's had injury issues since high school. 

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Catch 5's picture

OK, let's review.  You initially said, "Medically redshirt? You mean take medical hardships? Nothing Meyer has done has signaled that he would force players out to make room for commitments."

I simply showed that in the last month Meyer has taken advantage of several instances of attrition, including medical hardships (twice) to make room for his impressive recruiting class within the 82 limit.  

What's the difference between what I described and oversigning?  In both cases, a coach is relying on attrition (also greyshirts in oversigning) to make his numbers work out.

BTW, do you not think that a fan of any SEC school could provide a similar justification dissertation for the attrition suffered at their school?  For the record, I highly doubt anything sinister is going on, I'm more playing devil's advocate.  If people who criticize the attrition suffered by oversigning schools looked at the attrition at their own school with the same scrutiny, the conversation about oversigining would be very different (and perhaps more beneficial).

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

William's picture

I don't criticize other schools and their oversigning issues, with the exception of when a school just cuts a kid from scholarship, which has happened at LSU. What coach when coming into a knew school hasn't "taken advantage" of attrition, as you would put it? To say Meyer is taking advantage of our attrition isn't necessarily fitting, he's just doing what any other coach would do.

Jason Priestas's picture

He's a Chicago kid, so...

mastermiind's picture

reminds me of Chicago politicians.

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Jeremy Birmingham's picture

Whether it means $$ or promises that are made to people in his life, either way, it was not something that the staff was comfortable with.

Ethan's picture

Good for them. There are certain things I hope OSU is always above doing, and either of those scenarios would compromise the integrity with which I expect the University and its decision makers to operate

NW Buckeye's picture

It means keeping a scholarship open until Friday in what will be a very crowded class.  Just who do you say no to in order to accomplish that.  And, there is no guarantee that he will jump on board if a scholarship is available.  That is too much finagling IMO.  Better to move on and look for a bird in hand.    

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

IMO if you cant figure out where you think you'll fit into place, then you probably don't have one. Move on and find the kid that wants to be a buckeye.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

Gobucks22250's picture

Not to nitpick but Roger Lewis and Muarry both recently recieved their 4th star on Rivals

stcburn's picture

Nice post no matter what happens in this final week Urban has done a remarkable job bringing in the studs. A few more would be icing on the cake. Didn't know about the fact tOSU had pretty much gave up on Diamond he liked being catered to too much I think. Hate those guys that liked to wait to after signing day.

Alex's picture

Dodson will be a Buckeye Saturday so Diamond does not hurt :)

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

I hope you're right. 

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

capn's picture

you really believe in Diggs And Neal Alex?

Capn, Make It So...

Bj Mullens over Sully's picture

Don't want to put words in Alex's mouth, but I believe he's said atm he thinks Neal is favoring OSU and Arizona, with OSU having a slight edge at this time.  Diggs I don't think Alex has any thought he comes to OSU unless he actually visits.

Favorite Buckeye: Obviously BJ Mullens

Alex's picture

correct;;;;;;;;

zbd's picture

Thanks for the excellent update.  The best recruiting information available anywhere on the internet. Can't wait until February 1st for the fax machines at Meyer's office to get humming.

Maestro's picture

Can't wait to have signing day behind us and get the momentum built for Spring Practice.  Fun time to be a Buckeye fan.

vacuuming sucks

Northbrook's picture

Lewis is going to be beheaded? That's a bit harsh.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

It's a wee bit harsh, but considering that we used to make offensive players endure 4-5 years of Torture by Walrus, it's not so cruel.

Northbrook's picture

pales in comparison

Maestro's picture

I have certainly misspelled some things in my day, and twitter isn't an entrance exam, but perhaps Fork Union is a good call for Lewis.

vacuuming sucks

Ethan's picture

Am I the only person who won't be upset if we don't get Diamond? He's been a diva throughout this whole process, and the whole "announce a day after signing day" thing screams "I need attention". He gives the vibe of a "me-first" guy, and if that's the case, then the class is better off without him

Doc's picture

Originally I was pretty high on Diamond and thought he would be a good fit for tOSU.  When I read in the article that he was waiting for after signing day I got vibes of another top recruit that waited after signing day.  Without naming names his initials are Terrelle Pryor.  Granted TP was a gifted athlete, but a lot of baggage came with it.  Diamond seems to have a lot of baggage as well.

"Say my name."

Seabass1974's picture

Reminds me a bit of Seantrel "what's his name".

The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender. - Woody Hayes

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

^agree

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

In Urban we trust!!!  If he is getting the vibe from Diamond that wouldn't jive with chemistry and attitude he is trying to establish at OSU, then I'm most certainly fine with that!!!  What he has done since he was hired has been nothing short of astounding and I have a gut feeling that is even small potatoes from what he will bring to the field this year and to the 2013 and beyond recruiting classes.

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Hoody Wayes's picture

Prince Fielder = Detroit Tigers, 2012 World Series Champs!

DefendOhio's picture

Go post that on a Michigan site. This is Ohio.

faux_maestro's picture

Go post that on a Bobcat site, this is THE Ohio State University....

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JozyMozy's picture

they give championships for total team BMI?!

HAHAHA

ha

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fat jokes

MikeDaBuckeye's picture

Gross

The only meaningful statistic is number of games won. -Woody

DefendOhio's picture

Great work guys!

 

So it looks like our chances with Neal are slipping?

buckeyefan927's picture

Most people seem to think he is either Arizona or Ohio State. 

Alex's picture

It's just harder to tell with these "game players" who tell the media what they want to hear after each visit....I'm still staying with my either OSU or Arizona and my prediction to OSU....I reserve the right to change that once the Arizona visit happens because I think there's no chance he goes to UNC (his other visit left)

NC_Buckeye's picture

Jeremy or Alex, SI.com had one of those Truth or Rumor articles stating that Meyers was over his limit given the number of returning players. Wished I could find it now.

I think their math was something like this. 85 - 3 (NCAA sanctions) = 82. And that there were 62 returning scholarship players which means we are over by 3.

I wished I had saved the link when I saw it. (Truthfully, I closed the browser after getting pissed off by a couple of SI troll comments.)

Is there anything to this?

Alex's picture

Numbers will not be an issue

AcrossTheField11's picture

I saw Durham transferred today.  That will help.  Have you had any other potential near-future transfers hit your radar? 

Side Note: I remember one of my friends (scUM fan) seeing Tress out to dinner with Durham at a place called Firebirds in Charlotte around this time last year.  Sad to see him go but I'm glad to see him headed to Duke where he'll certainly see plenty of PT and get a great education.  Best of luck to both him and Cash.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Silverbuck8's picture

Have heard rumors that C. Carter and T. Brown are considering their options and M.Hall is on a very short leash.  Basically the big, slow lineman

J.Mo's picture

I wish we pulled Carter's offer after he was arrested on NLOI day last year

Northbrook's picture

I keep a speadsheet and have us at 80 but I have Lewis out and Berry gone as well as the other reported attrition. So we have room for two by my count and then would need further attrition. I expect we will take more than two and that the staff already know where those openings will come from.

J.Mo's picture

Buckeye Planet has rumor of another medical hardship being announced soon without leaking names. My guess is Hagan though I saw him in a game or two on special teams this past season.

luckynewman13's picture

There's no point in listening to the SEC trolls who claim we oversign. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe every major conference other than the SEC has strict rules prohibiting oversigning, whereas the SEC just has the guideline to avoid it. A guideline the East observes but not the west. So anytime somone claims we are oversigning, just politley point out that WE CAN'T.

Catch 5's picture

Actually, you can.  B10 schools can oversign by up to 3, though they have to have "permission" from the Conference head office.  That is where it gets a little sketchy as I haven't seen any guidelines to why they would or wouldn't allow it, and best I can tell, they don't count the scholarships until after the summer, so basically it is a limit on greyshirts, not LOIs.

And the B10 and SEC are the only conferences with any kind of additional rules regarding oversigning.

BTW, OSU is currently at their limit of 82 after the seven players that have transfered/been kicked off the team/or moved to medicals since Christmas.  See the link below:

http://ohiostate.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=917&CID=1310872

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

MikeDaBuckeye's picture

Great read! I'm a new member but follow on Twitter. O-H..

The only meaningful statistic is number of games won. -Woody

Alex's picture

welcome! thanks for the comment....keep them coming!

Sofa Kingdom's picture

Won't leave you hangin'.... I-O.

 

popeurban's picture

Alex and Jeremy,

As usual, thank for the info and hard work.  Which do you think is the better player, Diamond/Dodson?

Alex's picture

My order is Dodson Diamond Decker

Jeremy Birmingham's picture

Mine is Decker, Diamond and then Dodson.

Jeremy Birmingham's picture

Diamond is probably more ready to contribute, but Dodson has great upside.

The nice thing is that I think Ohio State will end up with the first and third best tackle prospects in the state with Decker and Dodson, and two months ago the likelihood was that we'd swing and miss on both of them.

Urban is amazing.

popeurban's picture

Appreciate your opinions, and I agree, it has been euphoric to see what Urban has done.  

blazers34's picture

plenty of people, including his HS coach think that Diamond is a bit of a project.  we'll see I guess

J.Mo's picture

Can Reid Fragel hold down one of the tackle spots this year while Dodson develops? Outside of Norwell, who is our other OT? Is Norwell going to be OT? Or Hall for that matter?

Silverbuck8's picture

D.Baldwin has also moved from the DL to OL as well

bassplayer7770's picture

The scouting report guy contacted for this article thinks Decker was the best lineman in Ohio.

http://www.the-ozone.net/recruiting/2011_12/Decker.html

popeurban's picture

Thanks for the link, when I read his thoughts I became more excited about Decker than I already was.  I have heard from people in Vandalia P.S. that he is a + character guy as well.

 

 

buckeyedude1001's picture

Who I think comes

Marcus

Cox

Neal most likely

Dodson  

sup 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Neal
Diggs
Dodson
Marcus
Reeves
Cox(if the one drops out)

That would be a fantastic finish.

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capn's picture

I like these picks....

Capn, Make It So...

DMcDougal24's picture

Lol you could have just said "all the best remaining players" :) I don't see us getting Neal AND Diggs, but it would certainly be an immediate step up in Urban's ability to run his prototypical offense right out of the gate.

DMcDougal24's picture

What's the word on Ricquan Southward? Is he still flirting with other programs or do you see him staying at tOSU?

bassplayer7770's picture

Staying at OSU, and he is fully qualified and ready to go academically.

http://www.theozone.net/recruiting/2011_12/SouthwardReaffirms.html

buckeyedude1001's picture

Both Southward and Bogard are staying. Got this from Twitter

sup 

kylegratz's picture

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story?id=7...

 

any espn insiders here willing to post the rest of this article?

muck fichigan

DMcDougal24's picture

I won't post the whole article because I don't think ESPN would be very happy, but here's a portion that most would find relevant.

Don't be surprised if: The Buckeyes break into the top five of the rankings. There is still more than a week before signing day, which might as well be a lifetime for Meyer. Four-star cornerback Armani Reeves (West Roxbury, Mass./Catholic Memorial) is down to Michigan and the Buckeyes, and his teammate is Williams, who committed last Friday. Stefon Diggs (Olney, Md./Our Lady of Good Counsel), ranked No. 13 in the nation, is officially visiting this weekend. Five-star athlete Davonte Neal (Scottsdale, Ariz./Chaparral), ranked No. 8 in the ESPNU 150, officially visited Ohio State on Jan. 13. And four-star offensive tackle Jordan Diamond (Chicago/Simeon) has the Buckeyes in his final five.

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/7489890/ohio-state-class-emerging-one-beat-big-ten

Bucksnut13's picture

Thanks for the information. On another note we should have someone who has a subscription to the ESecPN insider thing to post all of the insider stories concerning Ohio State and recruiting. Who cares what they think and they probably will never find out. Show them what a real sports website is 11W!

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog

capn's picture

Too True

Capn, Make It So...

kylegratz's picture

maybe that can be part of the Respect the Basement Fundraiser?  writer and access to espn insider stuff.

muck fichigan

GABuckeye's picture

And here is the rest of the article.... nothing we don't already know.

Overview: Well, it's been a quite a few months on the recruiting front for Ohio State since late November, eh? Actually, there isn't a hotter team on the recruiting trail than the Buckeyes. Last week alone, the Buckeyes picked up a commitment from ESPNU 150 OG prospect Joey O'Connor (Windsor, Colo./Windsor), a four-star linebacker with 4.4 speed in David Perkins (South Bend, Ind./Washington), three-star linebacker Camren Williams (West Roxbury, Mass./Catholic Memorial), three-star tackle Taylor Decker (Vandalia, Ohio/Butler) and arguably Ohio's top junior prospect, Cam Burrows (Trotwood, Ohio/Trotwood-Madison). It's almost as good of a run as Urban Meyer's mid-December run of flipping ESPNU 150 prospects Se'Von Pittman (Canton, Ohio/McKinley) and Tommy Schutt (Glen Elyn, Ill./Glenbard West) and landing five-star Noah Spence (Harrisburg, Pa./Bishop McDevitt), the No. 4 player nationally. On Nov. 22, a week before Meyer was hired, the Buckeyes were not ranked in the ESPNU class rankings. They are now ranked No. 8.

DMcDougal24's picture

In the video (all about Ohio State), they mention Diggs visit this weekend, Neal's past visit, Marcus, Cox, Diamond and Reeves. Says even if the Buckeyes can only land three or four of those guys, it will be a very successful 2012 class.

Seth4Bucks's picture

BS! It's already an awesomely successful class (especially considering what we've been through this year).

Anyone else we get on top of who's already in the fold will be the proverbial icing on the cake.

EDIT: Not directed at you

Sub-UrbanCommandoMDK's picture

i look at neal and diggs and that moruea kid like this...if meyer talks off and harvin and shows what he has always done w kids like this i GAURANTEE we get one, what kid wouldnt wanna be used like that by an expert of the spread they brought up moreau to add pressue on the other 2 maybe even diggs to add pressure on neal.....bottom line urban really wants one more than most other players how many times have i heard him say "speed kills, its all about speed"...we'll get one if em mainly for the way he uses him and the fact its meyer...souldnt be a hard sell and a lil poker playing bye meyer and i would bet with almost 95% cartainty that diggs or neal will be a buckeye.....and if all we get is moreau somehow...well... he looked fast as balls too! GO BUCKS MDK!

 

Sub-Urban Commando

thatlillefty's picture

While your spelling, grammar, punctuation and overall sentence structure is atrocious, I like where your heart is. Go bucks!

BuckeyeNation's picture

ROTFLMMFAO....... ^^^ THIS ^^^

TBDBITLinWIScantSON's picture

"while your spelling, grammar, punctuation and overall sentence structure ARE atrociuos, I like where your heart is." O-H!!!
sorry
#grammar police

WB

3yardsandacloudofdust's picture

To add a little to the conversation & perhaps assert the seemingly inevitable switch of Dodson to the Bucks. ESPN insider states that Wisconsin has recently offered a 3* OT Jake Meador, who now has the Badgers in his top 3 (ESPN excerpt @ end). Are the Badgers covering their bases with the impending loss of Dodson!?!

 

"Three-star offensive tackle Jake Meador (Whiteland, Ind./Whiteland) recently had a final three of Florida, Indiana and Missouri.

He still has a final three, except a new team resides in Indiana's place.

Meador texted ESPN.com that Wisconsin, which offered on Sunday, is now in his top three, replacing Indiana. Meador will officially visit Wisconsin this weekend, his fifth and final official visit.

He also finalized a signing day announcement between the Badgers, Gators and Tigers.

Originally committed to Ole Miss, Meador reopened his commitment when Houston Nutt was fired as the Rebels' coach." ~ESPN

 

TNBuckeye1421's picture

Diggs would be a huge get... I take it Meyer looks for him to run the Harvin spot? Also the twitter post on Alex Dickman has me scratching my head.. would they pass on Dodson or Diamond to take this kid just to pull Neal???

ThirdLegLouie's picture

No they're not going to pass on Dodson. Diamond is aleady out. I see Dickman being a pref. walk on, if anything. Bottom line though, numbers won't be an issue. 

If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target

 
TNBuckeye1421's picture

I didnt think so but they must have several leaving then... Alex had 5 or 6 guys he thought they would add... I saw they numbers game above. Also I like the fact that he is a guy the SEC teams are targeting.. We need to start winning some of those battles.