The Expendables

By Ramzy Nasrallah on November 14, 2011 at 2:08p
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Just close your eyes and it will disappear.

Penn State started its 2001 football season by losing each of its first four football games by a combined score of 31-95.

The Nittany Lions eventually finished the season 5-6 and home for the holidays without a bowl invitation, which was a rarity in the storied tenure of Joe Paterno.

The only high point of the season occurred when the 74-year old coach earned his 324th victory and passed Paul "Bear" Bryant for career wins in major college football. However, his 35-year legacy and that crowning achievement as D-IA's winningest coach were both marred by a very mediocre 2001 team.

All was not well in State College. Two years earlier, a very promising 1999 season had spiraled late in the year with three consecutive losses. It seemed likely Penn State football was headed for decline.

Additionally, the program had been increasingly finding itself in the news for the wrong reasons: Tailback Curtis Enis was suspended for agent involvement and receiver Joe Jurevicius was kicked off the team for academic problems a couple of seasons earlier.

Linebacker Mac Morrison was arrested for disorderly conduct the year prior and safety Askari Adams got a DUI during the season. The bad news along with the mediocre results were infecting JoePa's legacy and people began to discuss if it was the beginning of the end.

When asked if Paterno was losing his grip on the program, Florida State coach Bobby Bowden - who was also facing questions about his advancing age - jumped to his defense and blamed...the Internet.

"(Off-the-field issues) have been going on for 2,000 or 3,000 years," said Bowden. "So why is this so alarming now? I'll tell you why. Everybody in the world knows about it now when you make a mistake."

Less than a month after signing the recruiting class that followed that 2001 season and amidst new pressure mounting for Paterno to retire, graduate assistant Mike McQueary ran into the Penn State locker room to retrieve some shoes and video tapes. And then this happened:

"...he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then hear rhythmic, slapping sounds...he looked into the shower....he saw a naked boy, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked (Jerry) Sandusky."

McQueary had stumbled upon the anal rape of a little boy in the Penn State football locker room by a 36-year veteran of the football program. If you describe the act to yourself in vague terms instead of anal rape, you're just deluding yourself. It was anal rape of a boy by a middle-aged man.

According to Grand Jury testimony that went public two weekends ago, McQueary reported the incident to Paterno and called it "anal rape."

Paterno had already seen an uptick in bad news around his program. This was far more gruesome than any bad news that had been attached to Penn State football at that point.

Later, after being informed of the anal rape of a boy in his locker room, Paterno blurred Sandusky's crime as "something of a sexual nature." The news went up the chain of command. Nobody wanted to deal with what actually happened. It would be far too damaging and embarrassing to the university.

Penn State Vice President Gary Schultz later described the anal rape of a boy in the Penn State locker room as "inappropriately grabbing of the young boy's genitals." This could be interpreted as an innocent butt-slap that unintentionally went south, literally and figuratively.

Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley described anal rape of a boy as "inappropriate conduct or horsing around." University President Graham Spanier described anal rape of a boy as "conduct that made someone uncomfortable."

Jack Raykovitz, the President of The Second Mile charity that provided constant access and contact between Sandusky and minors described anal rape of a boy as "a ban on bringing kids to the locker room."

As a result, Sandusky continued to practically live in the Penn State football facilities for nine more years while spending ample time around young boys.

With his control on the program slipping, the revelation of Paterno's closest coaching confidante raping a boy in the locker room would have inevitably brought about an investigation that likely would have uncovered that Paterno had actually known for years about Sandusky's serial pedophilia yet had not reported it or taken appropriate action.

So Paterno and his superiors all consciously made the decision to make the boy go away to protect themselves, the university and the rapist Sandusky.

A little cognitive dissonance goes a long way, and it did. Everyone looked the other way. The raped boy was no longer a problem.

Penn State football was going to be okay simply because of who the victim was. He was someone else's boy - or even better - he was nobody else's boy; as were the other boys that Sandusky had and then continued to rape after Paterno's forgettable, historic 2001 season.

The questions about Paterno retiring never went away. More importantly, the questions about Sandusky never surfaced. Until they did.


Since the Penn State story broke there have been some lame journalistic attempts to bridge what happened in State College with what has occurred recently at Miami and Ohio State, mostly by fake news organizations like ESPN that routinely dumb down and package all information as entertainment.

The Ohio State comparisons were only lame because comparing unreported major felonies to covering up non-criminal NCAA violations is almost as mind-numbing as the NCAA itself.  The only basis for comparison was that those in power looked the other way when they shouldn't have.

All else being equal (it's not) the actions were similar. The reality is that looking the other way is an unwritten job requirement not only in college coaching, but in college fandom.

Back in 2001 when Bowden, who is college football's undisputed king of successfully looking the other way came to Paterno's defense, what he was essentially saying was that technology was making it harder and harder for coaches to look the other way.

Bowden played the role of the naive grandpa for decades in Tallahassee, whether his players were emptying the shelves at the local Foot Locker, walking out of Dillard's department store with bags of unpaid merchandise or getting dubious disability diagnoses that resulted in about half of his team basically having schoolwork done for them.

But Bowden did so much else that was good for the university, college football and the community. And he won a lot of games. And he's got a great personality.

Similarly, everyone's favorite coach who exemplifies integrity, John Wooden, looked the other way for years while Federal money launderer and racketeer Sam Gilbert delivered top recruits to UCLA.

Wooden apologists still look the other way to avoid diminishing the legacy of a coach who won nothing for 15 seasons and then ten titles in a dozen years which all happened to overlap with Gilbert's recruiting involvement with UCLA basketball.

McQueary is 6"5, 260 lbs. He saw a boy being anally raped and walked away.

But Wooden did so much else that was good. And he won a lot of games. And he had a great personality.

Bowden ending the gravy train at Florida State might have disrupted a decade that had Florida State ranked among the top five or winning the national title seemingly as a right of existence.

His inaction kept the best players on campus and winning games.

Wooden putting a stop to Gilbert's illicit recruiting practices might have kept him an ordinary coach, as he had been for the better part of two decades.

His inaction kept the best players in the country coming to UCLA while a drug-running money launderer stayed in business and out of prison. Gilbert's victims were faceless, therefore they didn't exist and his presence around the program was acceptable.

The University of Miami has celebrated its rogue football culture for the better part of four decades. Before Nevin Shapiro was a sugar daddy to five dozen Hurricanes, Luther Campbell was doing the same thing - and without being policed with the kind of urgency a program on the level might demonstrate.

Their inaction kept the talent level in Coral Gables so high it has been called NFL U.

Jim Tressel sat on information that would have made some of his best offensive players at their positions ineligible. Try and imagine of Christopher Cicero's email had instead named Taylor Rice, Vince Petrella, Dan Bain, Dalton Britt and Derek Erwin as the Tat Five.

He might have been more inclined to report it. Which players? Exactly. He knew losing the players who were involved would have decimated his team, and he was right. Protecting lower profile players from the NCAA would have carried exponentially less reward with the exact same risk.

But Tressel did so much else that was good for the university, college football and the community. And he won a lot of games.

And his personality - or lack thereof where journalists were concerned - made looking the other way nearly impossible for his critics. Personally, I love Tressel and loathe the NCAA. I'm happy to look the other way. The violations he covered up in that email involved stupid, arcane rules. That still makes him a cheater.

Paterno took a pass on reporting a raping pedophile to protect the most powerful figure in Penn State history: The little old guy in the mirror that everyone loves.

The transgressions are not comparable but the motives are: The strong were protected at the expense of the weak.


Contrary to popular belief, the Sandusky story did not break into the news cycle until recently. It was actually in the news on March 31 of this year.

Barely anybody paid attention to the story. Journalists certainly didn't: Around the end of March much of the media were too busy furiously submitting Freedom of Information requests to Columbus to get to the bottom of Tressel's horrifically evil cesspool of lies.

Reporters from all over the country were tripping over each other trying to feign the most outrage over all that was wrong with college football; so much so that they didn't notice a story about a Grand Jury, Sandusky and serial child molestation.

Meanwhile, nobody bothered to ask any questions - not just last April, but for decades - about Sandusky. Everyone was looking the other way.

It was nine years to the month that McQueary had watched Sandusky raping a boy in a Penn State football facility. And what he saw that day haunted him so much that he still wrote sickening letters like this to recruits about the virtue of being at Penn State, versus other places.

McQueary is obviously proud of his alma mater and he advanced his coaching career there over those past nine years. Reporting Sandusky might have derailed his advancement and threatened his position within a program any aspiring coach would join if offered.

Instead he chose to protect and perpetuate an edifice of chastity whose architect was Paterno. Someone else's kid getting raped wasn't worth damaging that edifice. Keeping Sandusky out of prison was the triumph of selfishness.

And while Penn State officials did nothing to bring what was happening to the surface, the media's romanticizing of Paterno - whom many had thought to be past his prime nine years ago - continued unabated.

After the March story of Sandusky broke, not only did the massive conflict of interest in Bristol stay completely fixated on Columbus, it worked itself into a lather to create a dichotomy of Good vs. Evil.

During the "Summer of Tressel" ESPN hitched itself to Paterno's integrity as a palate cleanser for its Ohio State coverage. The Sandusky story just sat there, marinating, unnoticed and underreported. The media asked no questions. Everyone looked the other way.

In retrospect, all of the outrage wasted on Tressel now seems about as forced and awkward as when your elderly relatives post on Facebook.

What's infinitely more disgusting than the cesspool in Columbus? Thanks to the hyperbolic Ohio State scandal reporting this year, brand new words must be created to truly capture what has happened at what was commonly held up as a paragon of what's right with college football.

When it comes to minor inconveniences, coaches will look the other way. Bowden looked the other way. Tressel looked the other way. Wooden looked the other way. Their fans will look the other way. The media will also look the other way.

If Paterno was willing to ignore a pedophile in his ranks who was raping kids inside of Penn State football facilities it is hard to imagine that he was actively policing lesser transgressions. He was very likely looking the other way, just like every other coach tries to do, just as he did with Sandusky.

Paterno was so bothered by what happened at Ohio State that he actually refused to read the stories about Tatgate. That is all the clarity you need to understand why he declined to pursue more specific information about what Sandusky was doing on and off PSU property.

The winningest coach in FBS history had cognitive dissonance down to an art form. Paterno had grown so accustomed to looking the other way that he consciously declined to protect those who couldn't protect themselves. Sandusky committed the crimes but Paterno had ample power to remove him from society.

That level of failure of a coach for whom statues have already been constructed doesn't just taint his legacy. It has to help define it, because it is impossible to look the other way.

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Evansvillebuckeye's picture

I prosecute these types of crimes in Indiana - and as far as I'm concerned, what McQueary and Paterno did are really not much more different, than if they had held the child(ren) down to help Sandusky's activities.

Buckeyejason's picture

"BUT PATERNO IS OLD AND DOESN'T KNOW BETTER!!!" -Penn State fans.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Ericgobucks's picture

Seriously this article is a home run. If you look at the Sports Illustrated cover of Tressel it would ACTUALLY be appropriate if Tressel had covered up child rape. With the "new" perspective that the Penn State scandal gives to the Ohio State scandal, the reality becomes clear. One is manufactured, hyped, and artificially supported and the other is worthy of true outrage and anger.
At the Stanford Oregon game I had two Penn State fans see my seemingly out of place Buckeyes jersey and say "We're Penn State fans but we're in hiding. Looks like both of our coaches were cheaters." This is why Penn State fans are the most idiotic, delusional, hypocritical people on earth. To them both are equal.

Maestro's picture

Well done.  All I needed to read was this quote from Joe Pa to know that he was so caught up in covering his own ass that he had lost my respect.

"While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention,"

Quite simply, efff you Joe Pa.  That quote is utter b.s.

vacuuming sucks

Tonga Buckeye's picture

Bravo!

"go not where the path may lead, rather go where there is no path and leave a trail"

TheOtherDJ's picture

Sad thing is, Paterno is really no different from an overwhelming number of coaches in college football (or basketball, for that matter).  How often do we hear of Luke Fickell talking about how he has no idea what is going on in the world other than football practice, games and film room study?  That's how head coaches at these programs operate.  They literally don't try to look at anything else...just keep the machine running.

Speaking of which, everyone attached to a leadership position at Penn St is responsible for this, even and especially the Board of Trustees, who ignored investigations into Sandusky's actions for years.  IMO, they're just as guilty as Spanier, Curley, Schultz, Paterno, etc.  Schultz, by the way, was in charge of university police.  As far as I'm concerned, when McQueary was called in to speak with Schultz and Curley, he was talking to the AD and Chief of PSU Police.  Let that sink in:  The Chief of PSU Police had the information and did nothing.  I find that more offensive than probably anything else.

That's why I felt that PSU should not be allowed to play football the rest of the year.  The way I see it, the institution and its leaders have forfeited their right to field a football team for the rest of the year due to its egregious failures.  Instead, they still continue to cash in on being Penn St Football both home and away, and could even get paid at the Rose Bowl.  They talk about using it to raise awareness of child abuse?  I call b.s.  Even a systemic coverup by the university leadership and its football program of the actions of an assistant coach, both while active and in retirement, can't stop them from cashing in on being a big time football program.  Just keep the machine running.  (I know I'm in the very small minority with that stance.  But that's my opinion.)

I've always respected Penn St, and I'm sure I will again; good school, great alumni...but it'll take awhile to respect their leadership again.  My thoughts are with the victims; may they find the peace they need to overcome what they experienced.

NC_Buckeye's picture

As far as I'm concerned, when McQueary was called in to speak with Schultz and Curley, he was talking to the AD and Chief of PSU Police.  As far as I'm concerned, the Chief of PSU Police had the information and did nothing.  I find that more offensive than probably anything else.

OtherDJ, I've seen Paterno deniers post this assertion many times in the last week. Frankly, it's wrong. Yes, Schultz was the VP for Finance & Business and technically (on the org chart) responsible for managing the university's police force. That does NOT make him a law enforcement officer. The Chief of Police who did report to Schultz is a sworn law enforcement officer. (I think this was Steve Shelow in 2002 but don't have time to dig it up right now.) If this had been reported to him, the scandal would have played out much differently IMO. Because sworn law enforcement officers understand the repurcussions of covering-up a crime.

What you're arguing is the equivalent of reporting a major crime to a city mayor instead of a police officer. Most mayor's would just tell you to call 911 and report it to the dispatcher... unless it was going to make them look bad. Then they might do what Curley, Schultz, and Spanier did... a cover-up.

[add. Please don't read that as my thinking that Paterno wasn't involved in the cover-up. I think an outside investigation is going to reveal that many on the football staff were involved in trying to keep this quiet... including Paterno.]

TheOtherDJ's picture

I don't care if he's not 'technically' a law enforcement officer.  He's their boss.  That's gross negligence and covering up.  Hell, Paterno wasn't 'technically' Sandusky's boss in 2002, either...but he's just as wrong as Schultz.  Reports should have been made, and in Schultz's case, all he had to do was call the actual Chief of PSU Police...also known as his direct surbordinate.  You won't convince me otherwise, so don't bother trying to change my mind.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Paterno deniers have been trying to assert that Paterno did report the anal rape to the police since he reported it to Schultz. That argument is invalid IMO.

What I've been telling these deniers is that reporting a crime to the mayor is not the same as reporting it to a police officer or police dispatcher. Reporting crimes to bureaucrats and politicians will usually end the same way that this did... in a cover-up. That's the point I'm trying to make. 

TheOtherDJ's picture

Just because people report things doesn't mean they shouldn't follow up or make an extra call to ensure the right people got the info, so fair enough (e.g. was my/our report passed onto the proper authorities? did we find out who the boy was? etc).  Regardless, everyone is at fault, not one person.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Regardless, everyone is at fault, not one person.

Agreed.

ArTbkward's picture

Nice article.  I don't even have the words left to, again, talk about how awful this is.

I can only hope that this series of events shows people how important it is to not run and hide if ever put into a situation like McQueary/Paterno and Co.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

BucksfanXC's picture

If I walk in front of an 80 yr old man that is also my boss, could I look him in the face and say the words "anal rape" or would I use another term that may, inadvertedly diminish it's autrocity. Then would an 80 yr old man go to his boss and repeat my exact wording or would, what you have basically laid out above, a twisted game of telephone break out. I'm not trying to defend anybody involved, because McQueary should have a)kicked Sandusky's ass b)called the cops right away c)called the cops repeatedly afterwards to follow up d)all of the above.  Something, a gut feeling at this point really, tells me that as shocked as everyone on PSU's staff seems to claim to be about Jerry's alledge behavior, that this is didn't exactly come out of the blue. At the very least, it shouldn't have.

I find it hard to judge people from a few weeks worth of media reports. Ramzy, you have written articles here that have encouraged me to form my own opinion of MoC and Dennis Talbott instead of judging them based on ESPN pieces (not that child rape is the same as booster scandals). I will give Joe Paterno the same benefit. I don't know the man personally, but I will not pass judgment on him now either.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

BucksfanXC's picture

And I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to defend them. I would like to think if I was in the situation, I would have reported Jerry Sandusky to anyone who would listen. I don't know the exact situation, nor exactly how I would act though, because it's not me, and I wasn't there. It's a shame more victims had to suffer because things clearly weren't done the way they should have been.

Football is the least important in all of this. I found myself being disgusted of my own thoughts of sympathy that Joe Pa didn't get to coach his last game in Happy Valley Sat. Then I thought, damnit, football isn't the focus. Win at all costs, protect the brand culture of NCAA football, it's really really disgusting and it took something like this to make me realize it.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

JLP36's picture

The language that was used by each party up the chain (de jure - de facto the chain hung from Paterno's desk) can be debated and therefore clouded forever.  No matter what was said, enough was said and enough was known (see previous '99 molestation investigation) that someone should have done something to get the little boys away from the suspected or alleged (if that is all you are willing to grant) pedophiliac in the DECADE following when he continued to escort them AROUND THE CAMPUS & PROGRAM. 

Do grown men visit their boss's house on the weekend accompanied by their father to report "horseplay" in the shower?

These people are entitled to their presumption of innocence IN A COURT OF LAW.  Enough facts are known for the rest of us to judge them to be VILE AND DESPICABLE when passing judgment on their character from afar.

JLP36

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

The 'telephone game' defense is weak.  Man, boy, shower.  Fill in the blanks with whatever you choose, those three words are enough to know that something very wrong is going on under your roof.

Denny's picture

In a year or so we'll have Posnanski's book on Penn State. Nice to have you covering the short-term, Ramzy.

Taquitos.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Posnanski might be too close to the source for him to report an unbiased accounting of what happened. His book started out as a biography and not an investigation.

We'll see.

Luke's picture

His most recent post would seem to account for his poor choice in words at the Paterno-Media class as well as set the record straight on how he envisions the book playing out. We may not share the same sentiments on whether Joe Paterno has paid a price or not, but I don't think that's any reason to doubt his ability to do the story the professional due dilligence it deserves.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Luke, reading Posnanski's take on how he'll approach the biography made me very angry. Paterno did a lot of good in his life. Only to have it all be negated by this single act doesn't seem fair. Blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, I get it, Joe Posnanski. You like Paterno.

You know who else did a lot of good in his life only to have it negated by one single act -- Jim Tressel. Guess that's just the breaks for trying to conceal that two players received impermissable benefits. And what Tressel did vs what Paterno did are not only not comparable. They're not even in the same solar system. I won't ever feel sorry for Paterno. Ever.

I know. I'm preaching to the choir.

BrewstersMillions's picture

A year ago I was at my fiance's family reunion. I was about 2 years into the relationship so her family had fallen head over heels in love with me. At said Reunion, I made a joke that got a few laughs but was ultimately at my fiance's expense. An hour or so later, I was talking to her father when her grandfather came over to me. Pulled me aside and said "Mark (that me btw) that was pretty funny, but it sort of pissed Shannon off and you did it in front of a lot of people". Unmoved by this (and moved by the 2 gallons of a booze circulating my blood stream) I replied "Ya but everyone knows I'm kidding,you guys all love me". He stopped for a second and in only a way an 86 year old man who fought in WWII could say, he said "Yea, but it only takes one 'Oh Shit' to undo a million 'that a boys'".

Lesson learned Grandpa.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Luke's picture

Just my two cents, but I think you let your anger about his view of Paterno as a person (which for the record, I too disagree with) get past the part where he said:

And that’s shameful. I have not wanted to speak because it’s not my place to speak. I’m Joe Paterno’s biographer. I’m here to write about the man. I’m not here to write a fairy tale, and I’m not here to write a hit job, and I hope to be nowhere near either extreme. I’m here to write a whole story. I’ve had people ask me: “Will you include all this in the book?” Well, OF COURSE I will — this is the tragic ending of a legendary career. I’m going to wait for evidence, and if it turns out that Joe Paterno knowingly covered this up, then I will write that with all the power and fury I have in me.

I feel the same as you about most of the rest of what he had to say, but I guess am more willing to agree to disagree with Pos since he's sort of one of the best sports writer's alive. As long as he stays professional in his aims and it doesn't dillineate into 1800 pages of Mitch Albom-esque hero worship, it should be a fascinating read regardless of he and our personal views on Paterno the man.

btalbert25's picture

I'm not worried about what authors write.  If this thing gets investigated by the Feds, which perhaps is a possibility, all the ugly truth will be laid out for everyone.  Then there will be no defending anyone involved in this mess.

JLP36's picture

More excellence and eloquence from Ramzy.  Nice work.

JLP36

Kyle's picture

BUT YOU GUYS TRESSEL RIGGED RAFFLES!!! RAFFLES!!!!! WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?!?!?

 

Seriously another great piece Ramzy.  Part of me wants to believe Paterno "did what he needed to do" if for no other reason its really hard to stomach the thought a grown man would actively coverup or obfuscate child rape to extend his own career.  Its just sickening and sad.

doodah_man's picture

This Blog hits harder than any other source on not only football but Ohio State Football...great job Ramzy...

Jim "DooDah" Day
It is hard to play dirty against a man who picks you up.

BrewstersMillions's picture

It all looks so ridiculous now. The SI 'Article', the outcry over the lack of swift action by the OSU, the incessant use of the words "Death Penalty" by people who couldn't even tell you what SMU got theirs for let alone say why OSU deserved it. All of it. To be totally honest, I have a hard time even mentioning the two situations in the same breath. What Tressel did was wrong because a rule said he was wrong. We get it, its scandalous at the time and it gave the media something to obsess over in an otherwise slow time for sport. What happened at Penn State is a WHOLE SALE failure of an organization who is the 7th largest employer in the State of PA. One of the best points I have heard about this ordeal is the diluting of what McQuery saw. Ramzy said it perfect.

The blind faith that Penn State and Joe Pa fans have is astounding. The rioting and demonstrations, and the BSD defenses later calling it "Civil Disobedience" would be comical if the root of all this wasn't such a horrendous crime and cover up. The hijacking of the press conference announcing Joe Pa's firing was yet another example by PSU on how not to handle something. The outrage over the firing of a coach-Disgusting. People got so caught up in Joe Pa's canning that they either chose to forget or used it to forget what was really at play here-The WORST thing that could happen to an institution that shapes the minds of thousands of young minds.

Finally, and Ramzy you did a much better job of saying this than I have been able to, there are the people who have said "Sad to see Joe go" or "Hate to see him go out like this" or something similarly. I do not. I have no sympathy for any hit to his reputation because this is EXACTLY how someone like this should go out. Disgraced and dishonored. In the end, no one else fooled us the way Paterno did. His rouse lasted decades.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

JLP36's picture

disgrace and dishonor = getting off easy in this case

JLP36

sharkvsghost's picture

The commentary on BSD posts make me sad for America.

swing hard in case you hit it.

Menexenus's picture

It all looks so ridiculous now. The SI 'Article', the outcry over the lack of swift action by the OSU, the incessant use of the words "Death Penalty" by people who couldn't even tell you what SMU got theirs for let alone say why OSU deserved it. All of it.

I agree.  It was ridiculous.  So re-hire Tressel!

 

Real fans stay for Carmen.

btalbert25's picture

I have to say, while I'm disgusted by what those involved at Penn State have done, or have not done for that matter, I'm not sure other universities wouldn't do the same.  It's unforunate, but it seems that all too many times when a crime like this happens, it's more common for the first reaction to be, how can we make this go away, instead of dealing with it and getting rid of the predator/monster.  It seems to always come out years later that a priest, minister, teacher, coach, boyscout leader, politician etc has done something so horrible.  It seems to be the norm that these crimes/people aren't dealt with until well after the crime happens.

It's a really sad thought, but it seems to be human nature to cover it up, more so than to come to the aid of vicitims whose lives are being destroyed.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Not a fan of anyone at ESPN but hats off to Rece Davis...anyone catch this little nugget on Saturday? "And there is a moment of silence here at Beaver Stadium, which is ironic because it was silence that let this situation progress."

 

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

btalbert25's picture

I was thinking, to me it was pretty self serving to have everyone kneeling in the middle of the field, and for all the players and coaches to keep talking about praying for the victims.  Too little to effing late in my opinion.  The could've dealt with this shit at most 13 years ago and especially 9 years ago, but decided not to.  All the posturing and public displays to save face are worthless now.

Maestro's picture

Yes, the whole candlelight vigil made me chuckle a bit.  Not that the kids at school committed the crimes, but too little too late.

vacuuming sucks

NW Buckeye's picture

I'm sure someone has already asked this, but just where is M1EK now?  I know he got the ban hammer, but I really hope he is reading these pages.  In one of the many exchanges he had on this site he insisted that he would never be satisfied unless OSU received maximum NCAA sanctions for what was reported about Tressel.  He often cited PSU as the pinnacle of morality in the NCAA.  When people stated tatgate types of thinks go on everywhere his immediate reply was "not at Penn State".  Turns out he was right.  The Penn State scandals are in a class all by themselves. 

I live in Seattle.  This topic has been the headline of many radio talk shows out here - and most of them are not on sports radio.  Everyone is outraged by these events.  One host called this the biggest scandal ever in sports history easily surpassing the OJ scandal. 

Where are you M1EK?  Certainly hope you are calling for the hammer to be dropped on Penn State. 

btalbert25's picture

When reading through this post by Ramsey, did anyone else read the Doug Gottlieb quote from a Tweet Ramsey linked?  Just in case you all missed it, here is that little nugget. 

Doug Gottlieb, ESPN: "Urban Meyer's dream job is Penn State. They do things right, until this story. Ohio State's a cesspool." #STAYONTARGET 

 

Where the hell do these guys get this stuff?  So you are acknowledging that Penn State do things right, until this little storey has come out, but Ohio State is the cesspool?  lol. what a joke.  I'm not one for conspiracies and all that, but how could Gottlieb expect to have any credibility after saying something like that?  What an idiot.

JLP36's picture

Imagine what it will be like if Fox Sports moves into college broadcasting in a big way with Pac12 and Big10 - likely given conference networks.  What will these tools be saying when they have a big financial incentive to rip us - oh that's right - no worries because of journalistic integrity.

Cesspool? What does that make the U or Auburn?  OR PENN STATE?

Why do they all have such an ax to grind?  I don't get it.  They do it on their spare time!  Does anyone know where this comes from?

JLP36

NC_Buckeye's picture

Got this off of wikipedia so I don't know that it's accurate:

After signing a national letter of intent with Notre Dame, Gottlieb was their starting point guard during the 1995-1996 college basketball season, starting all but the first four games and leading the team with 154 assists (against only 70 turnovers) as well as steals and minutes played. However Gottlieb's stint at Notre Dame would be short. During Gottlieb's freshman year, he stole credit cards from a roommate and fraudulently charged over $900 to those cards; subsequently, he was expelled from the team and eventually convicted of misdemeanor fraud. Gottlieb then transferred to Golden West College where he concentrated on academics and earned an Associate of Arts in business.

Oh really, Doug. Please tell us how much of a cesspool Ohio State is. Please.

Maestro's picture

That is true, he would admit it.

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BuckeyeChief's picture

He's backtracking now, saying it was untimely, my dad's an alum, blah, blah, blah...

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Elika's picture

McQueary's 6'5", 260 lb stature aside, let's not forget the man once broke up a knife fight on campus... but couldn't protect a little boy.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Pam's picture

I liked Bill Maher's comment about cultures without women. I have no doubt that had a woman seen what McQueary had, she would have screamed bloody murder, grabbed the kid and called 911. No doubt whatsoever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMdlJTqaTLc

 

Elika's picture

Pam, I agree and actually said the same thing, but let's not also forget that the judge who set Sandusky's unsecured bail was a woman.

This whole thing is sickening. Everyone involved, from Sandusky, to the pervs who donated to his charilty in order to have little boys pimped to them, to coaches and administrators who allowed it to go on, to anyone who had a hand in the coverup, everyone who SAID NOTHING... and the ones who are now defending JoePa as having done "what he was supposed to" and rioting for him... I. AM. DISGUSTED.

I love football as much as the next fan... how have this many people failed to see that some things are more important than football, power and money? I legitimately, officially lost all faith in humanity last week.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Pam's picture

Not only did she set his bail, she volunteered for his "charity"  Why didn't she recuse herself? Is EVERYONE involved in this mindnumbing situtation devoid of moral and ethical character??

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

I think they are only scratching the surface. This gets worse (if that is possible). Too many things don't add up. These are not stupid people we are talking about. And not one did anything to protect the rest of society. Its just too twisted to not run deeper.

Pam's picture

You ever notice that small towns often have some really creepy secrets? Age old power structures that no one questions, good ole' boy networks etc. Then something blows it up and it's like peeling an onion.  I watch a lot of "48 Hours" BTW.

BuckeyeCrew's picture

When did you ever doubt, that in our society, sports is more important than.. well.. just about anything?  The integrity of life, included?

Look at the characters that are allowed to play in the NFL, which admittedly make up a minority of them, but still...

And don't think for a second that I exclude myself from the list of idiot sports fans; in the past I have "looked away" too, or made excuses in my mind, when Buckeyes have gone astray.

Do you think that one day, an 11W writer (or maybe a group of you) will write a piece on why sports in our country has become far too important in the fabric of American life?

(It's actually not just here in the States; abroad, in Europe especially, futbol is to many as football is to us)

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

WTF? So, because McQueary was a guy he didn't do more? I'm terribly offended by comment.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

McQueary is not a man. That's what I got out of it.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Amazing how no one has brought up the UAB Football scandal from a few years ago...

2002...

And yes, it is an ESPN article.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

BuckeyeCrew's picture

I remember that scandal, BuckeyeChief.. it still makes me anguished, to this day.  All one has to do is imagine that that little girl oridugy were his/her daughter. 

 

I wonder how she is coping, today.  I sincerely hope that she was not also raped of her mental abilities, as a result of the scarring from such a traumatic experience.

Rooster Buckburn's picture

Totally disagree- Maher is a moron. There are plenty of men who would have blown the whistle as well.

Marshall's picture

The failure is not that it was a male who walked into the locker room shower, versus a woman, it's that the male did not choose to act as a man.  Bill Maher says at least 17 different chauvenistic...or filthy (c---, for example)...words to describe various women he doesn't like, don't know if that's the right example to hold up for the virtues of women.  Maher must feel like he needs to get some redemption with the ladies or something.

Marshall
2002 graduate of The Ohio State University
National champs.  Coincidence?

Brutus's picture

This will probably be a topic of discussion for tomorrow's Skull Session as details are just starting to emerge, but ESPN is reporting the McQueary is telling people that he did actually stop whatever he saw in the shower. If so, good for him. My faith in humanity is somewhat restored. But then the question is why in the hell has he waited so long to say anything. The man has been vilified as a coward, even by the Penn State faithful, and has practically been in hiding. He had to know what the perception was the moment the indictment was released. Why wait over a week to basically tell the world that you aren't a coward. There doesn't seem to be any sort of compelling legal reason to say "you'll hear my side of the story in due time" like Sandusky is doing now. Makes no sense to me. The skeptic in me has an explanation for this but I desperately want to believe that anyone who witnessed a thing like that would not turn their back, so I want to take him for his word.

Brutus's picture

Anyone else think that Sandusky's family is getting a pass on this? I realize that even if they knew something was going on, they'd be much too close to this to act objectively/rationally. But I really have a hard time believing that after years and years of spending so much time with these boys, having them stay the night in the basement where he committed a lot of his crimes, that no one else in that house knew what was going on, especially the wife. If he was this brazen on school grounds where others witnessed things, how much more brazen could he have been in the comfort of his own home. I shouldn't accuse the family of knowing anything, but I have to wonder.

Maestro's picture

Always wondered how his wife could not have known?  I mean this guy was leaving the bedroom and going downstairs to visit the young boys who were spending the night at their house.  Really?  He wasn't reading them nighty night stories.  Extremely twisted and all around creepy beyond just about anything I have ever read.

vacuuming sucks

onetwentyeight's picture

Just even more disturbing, unsettling things : 

 

http://blog.thedaily.com/post/12814855718/breaking-sandusky-lawyer-impre...

 

What the F*ck is going on in State College ... Jesus ... 

Marshall's picture

This really is simply fantastic writing.  11W top to bottom does the best sports coverage of anything I read, lucky to have them cover my school, rather than scUM.  All the writers are talented, and bring different things to the table, but being a (albeit sucky) philosopher myself, Ramzy's stuff is what gets my attention.

This article is so true on how the sports crowd (bundle everything in entertainment-sized morsels, rather than real information...i.e., espn) cried bloody murder over OSU, but appeared not to have any time for any sorts of allegations of funny stuff at PSU.  There's no proportionality at all.  Media has had their hate on for tOSU since Woody, I believe.

But the more important point:  I suffered my way through MoC, Troy Smith, other players who were in the doghouse, got in trouble, and eventually through Coach Tress.  Over 10 years, I found myself taking up for my team because I was a fan, and because I really believed (and still do, in comparison) that what OSU had was special, and there was a measure of integrity on the part of my school and the football program at my school.  I still don't know how I feel about it now, having gone back and forth, but Ramzy has properly educated me:  no more blind eye to the funny business.  No more making legalistic arguments or petty excuses for when you see TPeezy pull up in his seventh car to have transportation around a campus that's very heavily trafficked by the campus bus system.  No more blind eye to what lengths administrators, coaches, and players will go to in order to cast a blind eye upon the little problems.  Enough little problems, and you start letting big stuff slide, so long as the wins keep coming.

I don't want this to come off as preaching, but I think there's a lesson for us fans here as well:  out of love for our school, our team, our state, and our own personal reputations as fans, I say that we stop accepting anything less than excellence in the conduct of our athletic department. It might be a big job for them, but this is why administrators get paid the big bucks.  At the end of the day, I don't give a flip about how much money the school makes on jersey sales.  I care that the jersey is something I can be proud to wear in front of my kids.  My children bought me a 1942 #2 for last Christmas.  On Christmas day, it was humiliating for all involved, because of what Terrelle Pryor had done.  I'm still upset about this.

Wins are great, especially against Michigan, but integrity--having a program and a team we can cherish for the positives, without lowering our eyes when others point out our crimes--matters a lot more.  College football at large needs a lot more accountability.  It won't happen until the bad actors are punished to the point where they can't afford to be in the business if they don't do it right.  It starts with our choices to buy tickets and merchandise.  Whatever tOSU does with its coaching decision, we should insist on integrity before all else.

Marshall
2002 graduate of The Ohio State University
National champs.  Coincidence?

BuckeyeChief's picture

My children bought me a 1942 #2 for last Christmas.  On Christmas day, it was humiliating for all involved, because of what Terrelle Pryor had done.  I'm still upset about this.

Other great # 2's:

Cris Carter

Mike Doss

Malcom Jenkins

Wear it with pride; I don't hate TP just as I didn't hate Mo' Clarrett

 

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Marshall's picture

Chief, I'm a fan of what you post on the site, and I agree with you on other great #2s, but everybody on the planet--that little, old lady in Kroger--knows who wore that commemorative jersey, and will ask me if I'm ok with what Pryor did to Ohio State.  I don't hate TP, but he lied to Ohio State and to the NCAA when he signed forms as an incoming freshman that said he wouldn't do what he wound up doing, and his legacy will last for years as a blemish for Ohio State.

Marshall
2002 graduate of The Ohio State University
National champs.  Coincidence?

BuckeyeChief's picture

I know, I know. You are right, just trying to help you out. I actually won an authentic from Eastbay, but I rarely wear jerseys right now.

2 jerseys I would love to have btw, are a Doss and Eddie George... I have a Troy Smith, and AJ Hawk, along with a Greg Oden and Mike Redd.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Marshall's picture

Thanks, Chief.  It's ok on #2 jersey; my kids mean the best for me, they didn't anticipate a huge scandal when they bought it.  I wear it anyway, because they love it.  But right now, I would be all kinds of primed for a Sully #0.  Went to game against Wright State last Friday.  Timeout is called, Sully goes to bench, fives for head coach, assistant coaches, players, grad assistants, towel boys....and turn the corner and give five to cheerleader, cheerleader, cheerleader, Brutus, cheerleader.  Crafty does the same thing.  Team culture being built there.  If Sully stays for 3-4 years...

Marshall
2002 graduate of The Ohio State University
National champs.  Coincidence?

BuckeyeChief's picture

Sully seems like a heluva guy. He's already on my alltime team.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

LABuckeye's picture

It wasn't a gift, but I have a #2 t-shirt that is patterned like an OSU jersey that I really like. When all of this happened with OSU I initially threw that shirt in an otherwise empty trash can in our bedroom. A couple days later I was assembling a bag of clothing for Goodwill and stuck it in there. I then decided to put it back in my dresser where it will stay until someone else with talent wears number 2 and the number is no longer associated with TP.

pasadenabuck's picture

I can't help but feel that Joe Pa still doesn't get it. On the night he was fired and he addressed the crowd outside of his home, he was giving the "thumbs up" to his supporters, telling 'em to go to school, get a good night sleep, remember to beat Nebraska, and as he's heading back into his front door,  he's like..."oh yeah, and remembuh da victims".  F#ck you Joe.

A fool and his money are soon parted.I would pay anyone a lot of money to explain that to me. -Homer Simpson

onetwentyeight's picture

I think it was "say a prayer for those kids" or something. 

 

Which is even more idiotic on a number of levels. The foremost being those "kids" are ADULTS now who probably feel rightfully murderous that no one did anything for the next NINE years. 

 

He really does still believe this is all about himself. I agree , F#ck him. 

NW Buckeye's picture

Does anyone else wonder just what else JoPa has under wraps?  I mean, this cover up is so hideous, so disgusting.....   How on earth did anyone think that they could keep it quiet for ever?  And, the general feeling is that if you have a cover up of this proportion there must be other smaller things that you had success with.  There have been reports throughout the years of legal and academic problems for some PSU football players.  Yet, those stories always disappeared without any explanation.  No "we looked into it and could find nothing."  Could it be that JoPa was the mastermind cover up artist that Tressel was accused of being? 

I know, one should not jump to conclusions because of a single reported cover-up.  But, I just can't help feeling that if Joe thought he could cover this up, what else did he hide?  I have spoken with several past OSU players about the PSU situation.  And, while we are all shocked at the magnitude of this crime, some of us aren't really surprised that something did happen at Penn State - it was all just a matter of time.  While some past problems were reported by some of the national press, the sports writers never seemed to jump on board for an in depth expose of the situation.  It was as if Joe was getting a free pass because of his age.  Seemed like they looked at the frail old man (and, yes he has appeared old and frail for at least the last 13 years) with his years of experience coaching, and turned the other cheek.  No one as esteemed as JoPA could ever bend any rules.  

Well, now that mystique is gone.  I just wonder what other crap may surface now that he has lost that Teflon coating.  Maybe nothing will, but to quote may a Penn State fan, "Where there is smoke there is fire." 

btalbert25's picture

Did anyone hear the Bob Costas interview with Sandusky last night?  They played it on GMA this morning and you want to talk about disgusting.  I don't know how Costas didn't just let him have it, he handled himself pretty well. Basically, Sandusky denied any wrong doing in terms of Molestation.  He basically said he enjoyed being around young people, and he did take showers with them and horse around, snapping towels and he may have touched their legs, and that was probably a bad idea. 

Bob Costas said, are you sexually attracted to young boys.  After a few seconds of pause, Sandusky said no, but I'm attracted to young people and love their company.  It was disgusting.  Hats off to Costas for keeping it together and still asking the tough questions while this SOB says disgusting things and lies about it as well. 

Buckeyejason's picture

I saw it. What a lying sick fuck he is!

BUCKEYES BABY!

btalbert25's picture

I wonder if his attorney instructed him to do this or if he did it on his own?  He did absolutely nothing to make himself look better in the public's eye.  If anything he's made himself look even more disgusting. 

Buckeyejason's picture

I would think his attorney told him how to play it, I can't belive that guy was aloud on a major network for an interview just a week after all this unfolded?

BUCKEYES BABY!

robpollard's picture

I appreciate the passion you brought to this story, but one of the key details about one your examples cited is not correct: "Wooden putting a stop to Gilbert's illicit recruiting practices might have kept him an ordinary coach..." and "then ten titles in a dozen years which all happened to overlap with Gilbert's recruiting involvement with UCLA basketball."

Now, I agree that Wooden is unjustly sanctified, as he had to know what Gilbert was doing, so I'm fine with generally taking him to task, but that doesn't change the fact Wooden was a great college coach (in terms of wins & losses), regardless of Sam Gilbert.  He was never going to be "ordinary."

Sam Gilbert got involved with UCLA basketball sometime around 1966 or 1967 (the exact date varies, but it seems he got started with Lucious Allen and went from there).  However,  UCLA has already won two national championships by that time, in 1964 and 1965 and UCLA finsihed 4th two years before that.  If you want details, it was b/c Wooden was OK with shorter, quick players (like the star of those two teams, LA-resident Gail Goodrich) while competitors like USC thought they were too short.

Wooden is a like a lot of successful coaches - he was a winner on his own, but to keep winning at a high and consistent level (which UCLA did more than any program in history), he allowed others to put a big thumb on the scale while looking the other way.  It's fine to bring that up, but you shouldn't diminsh the fact Wooden was going to be an all-timer no matter what - in fact, that makes it worse; those who have great success often can't resist cheating to try and get even more.

P.S. Here's a good overview of what he did, both during and after Wooden, eventually landing UCLA on probation during the Larry Brown years.

http://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1153