Monday Skull Session

By DJ Byrnes on September 19, 2011 at 6:00a
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i mean, rly tho, we got punked by THAT miami team?????

I assume y'all know the facts by now: Ohio State isn't ranked for the first time since 2004, and Broke Hoke has appeared to have parlayed beating two Directional Michigan schools and a small Catholic school in Indiana into a #21 ranking. It's fun reading gloating Michigan fans on Twitter. It's almost as if they're unaware they're bragging about being the #21st best team in the country.

As the seconds ticked away on Saturday, I suddenly realized why Jim Tressel did what he did. Lose those players--and the national title hopes that rode on those players' backs--over something as mundane as tattoos-and-cash-for-signatures? I bet when he found out about the "violations", something very similar to Saturday night played through his mind. It was probably a decision that took less than five seconds.

And it's crazy to think about how close Jim Tressel (the most conniving, sociopathic man to ever inhabit the spot of college football head coach) came to pulling it off.

AND THUS, THE TECTONIC PLATES UNDER COLLEGE FOOTBALL BEGAN THEIR CATACLYSMIC SHIFT. College presidents are moving frantically to make sure their colleges aren’t cut out of the bags of money which will be passed out to the super-conferences which are inevitably going be left standing when the dust settles.

The ACC announced this weekend that Syracuse and Pittsburgh would be joining their ranks next year, in what will presumably be the nation’s best basketball conference. This move likely secured the ACC's spot in the upcoming “super conference” era. It also means the Big East and the Big 12 will be the conferences getting mugged for the rest of their remaining pillars.

Every option is on the table,” said a “high-ranking SEC official” in regards to expansion. Florida State, Virginia Tech, or Maryland could all be in play for the SEC, which has allegedly scraped its gentlemen’s agreement of not adding schools from states which already have SEC schools in them.

The sudden implosion of the Big East, which is where Notre Dame parks every sports team except their football one, could be the moment that pushes Notre Dame to the Big Ten.

The Pac-12 is reportedly going to add Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, perhaps sometime this week.

And, having all other problems in this country solved, the beacons of intelligence which illuminate Capitol Hill may take a look at all of this in relation to taxes and Title IX.

When these super conferences are formed, the next move is predictable: the new conferences will sever ties with the NCAA, which is why Mark Emmert is waiving his satin handkerchief around and calling for everybody to pump the brakes a little bit. (He’s saying all of this unironically while riding around in a limo driven by a chauffeur, talking on his bejeweled cellphone and sitting in a $3,000 suit).

So remember, when you hear people tell you things like the Pac-12 expansion is about “academic fit” and not “television money”—it’s just that, because Texas and Oklahoma have always been renowned for their academics. And also remember, when it begins raining money, it’d be completely ridiculous for the workers risking bodily harm to see any of it. After all, these are American colleges we’re talking about here! It’s not like they’re institutionalized football-and-money factories masquerading as institutions of academia and moral integrity or anything!

OREGON HAS OFFICALLY CAUGHT THE ATTENTION OF THE PINKERTONS. Oregon received a letter from the NCAA, letting the Ducks know there would be some inquiries into their use of "freelance recruiting services". It was Charles Robinson who originally “broke” this story when he investigated the relation that Willie Lyles had with Oregon’s coach Chip Kelly. Though, I guess I’m using the word “investigated” a little loosely, since Charles Robinson had the story handed to him by somebody with some dirt on their hands and an axe to grind. (Sound familiar?) Don’t worry though, because Charles Robinson looked at pictures. He also wrote it in a tone as if he were investigating a third world African dictator and exposing a genocidal cover up, so you know this is some true cloak-and-dagger stuff.

I also want to know: is it actually a letter they get? Like, when Ohio State got “exposed” and received their notice of allegations, did a scantily-clad secretary walk into Gordon Gee’s throne room and put it on his desk? Who opens it? Who is addressed to? These are the questions I demand answers to, Charles Robinson.

HOW DARE TERRELLE PRYOR CAPITALIZE MONETAIRLY OFF HIS ATHLETIC TALENTS. IF HE DID THAT, THEN I WOULDN'T BE CAPTAINING THIS BOAT OF MONEY.  I LIKE CAPTAINING THIS BOAT OF MONEY, SO CLEARLY, TERRELLE PRYOR CAN'T CAPITALIZE ON HIS TALENTS. ENJOY BAUSERMAN BUCKEYEFANS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAMATEUR SKETCH OF NCAA PREZ, MARK EMMERT

TEENAGERS, WHO HAVE LONG CONFUSED UGLINESS AND ABSURDITY WITH FLASH AND FASHION, LIKE WEARING UGLY AND ABSURD UNIFORMS. Speaking of Oregon, you may remember two weeks ago, when 300,000 people on the east coast had their retinas set ablaze from the atrocity that were Maryland’s uniforms.

It's Maryland's blatant attempt to be to UnderArmour what Oregon is to Nike. But Maryland may be on to something, as Oregon’s hilarious peddling to Nike has paid dividends; a number of recruits have said the uniforms were a big reason of why they chose to play in Eugene. I made my original college decision based on a pan-shot of a crowd during an ESPN2 broadcast, so I probably shouldn’t be surprised at what can persuade an 18 year-old. 

NO, CY THE CYCLONE DIDN’T HAVE HIS ARM BROKEN BY UCONN HOOLIGANS. It had been speculated that Cy was pushed down a flight of stairs by some Connecticut fans. This is not so, according to the police, who say Cy simply slipped at Rentschler Field. Still, the idea of a Connecticut fan getting so enraged over UCONN football that he pushed a mascot down a flight of stairs had amused me. Sadly, the world we live in isn’t that poetic.

OHIO STATE—THE INSTITUTION, NOT THE FOOTBALL TEAM--IS EVEN FANCIER THAN THEY WERE LAST YEAR. Classes start on Wednesday (*sigh*). This year, though, Ohio State will be unveiling new facilities and majors, such as “Atmospheric Sciences”, as they usher in their “brightest freshmen class” ever. (Which I'm pretty sure is a juked stat considering kids can’t even read these days. Still, Ohio State continues its ascent up academic rankings.

FANCY THINGS CULLED FROM THE SYSTEM OF TUBES WHICH IS THE INTRANAT. Italy's sex scandals are better than America's... Can you even go off the grid anymore?... Mikhail Prokharov becomes the first NBA owner to pick a fight with the Kremlin... Does America need debt forgiveness?... Should Urban Meyer have been calling the Auburn-Clemson game?... Got an .edu email address? You can turn your Windows PC into a mobile hotspot for free... Tareg Gazel is a bigger beast than you... This is what it's like to fly over the earth...

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AcrossTheField11's picture

So where does this leave the BIG10?  Notre Dame, Uconn, Mizzou, Kansas?  WVU?  Va Tech?

If we're talking 16 team conferences, there are going to be a lot of universities left in the dust.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Jim's picture

What I am wondering about is whether the B1G dropped the ball by not anticipating which way the winds were blowing.  Pitt would have been a good get due to their excellent academics, good bball and passable football. Now they are gone. WVU has lousy academics and while Nebraska brought a good football program, their academics are by far the worst in the B1G.  Notre Dame would be a good fit.

The superconferences, from my perspective, suck.  Tradiitional rivalries will disappear.  The old ACC and the old B1G, where everybody played each other most of the time had good things going for it.

As for Michigan thinking it is great because now they are ranked, read Mgoblog.  Most knowledgable Michigan fans know they still have many weaknesses and acknowledge same.

Maestro's picture

I think the B1G is just biding their time and plans to have Mizzou in the fold.  Obviously all of this activity will once again bring Notre Dame to the table and I assume that the B1G believes that they will finally cave to the pressure and fall in line.

Beyond those 2 there are still some options.  I would have loved for Oklahoma to be one of those options, but it appears they want their fan base to have to stay up all night to watch their teams play.............GAG.

Personally I hope Kansas is a serious option because I live in Kansas City, my wife is an alum, and their basketball program is second to none.

Other than those 3, I think Rutgers is still a possibility or West Virginia maybe................or Iowa State (that would blow).

vacuuming sucks

Hoody Wayes's picture

 

My recent conversations with Longhorn/Sooner-folk leave me convinced they're fixing their gazes, westward - DESPITE, my point about timezones. I told'em, "You got more eyeballs watching college football EAST, of the Mississippi. That means more money." They were unmoved, citing recruiting opportunities in Cali and "cultural identity." 

And then there's "The Silence of Jim Delany":

"Commissioner Jim Delany reportedly spent Saturday on the golf course, saying that he’s perfectly content where his conference stands amid all of the tumult going down across the country."

(http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/17/acc-to-vote-on-expan...)

Delany has got to have a colossal ego.  "(S)pent Saturday on the golf course...?" This is what leaders of nations do, in times of tumult.

He's plotting, for sure.

 

NYC Buckeye's picture

I completely agree Jim.... I thought all along that when the conferences started to expand again, Pitt & Cuse would be the extra 2 the B1G would add....  they would have enhanced our conference both academically and athletically...  I was completely surprised when I saw this news on Saturday...

now who are we left with after the obivous Mizzou and ND?  I would hope we do not consider WVU...  can we pry Va Tech away from the ACC?  Either way I am extremely disapointed we lost out on Pitt and Cuse...  maybe they didnt want in, who knows I guess...

Hoody Wayes's picture

Recently, another New York Buckeye suggested the B1G snatch UCONN, due to it being
the NYC's de facto, "6th Borough." Lots of Wall Streeters like the Huskies. Though football is driving all this, basketball is huge in the Northeast, moreso than college football. I think the B1G's marketing team believes that it can boost Northeastern interest in its football product, by cross-promoting it during basketball games. The NYC and DC markets are too tasty, to the B1G.

I can see the B1G grabbing UCONN and Maryland. 

NYC Buckeye's picture

Good point, but as a born and raised NYer take my word for it when I say Syracuse is no doubt NYC's hometown school and without a doubt would have been the better add to grab the city's TV market...   I do suppose UCONN/Rutgers are the backup plan though... academically they do fit in...  not sure if we have a realistic shot at Maryland...

 

Northbrook's picture

We may have to fight the SEC for Missouri. I'm not sure the SEC has any decent options beyond WestVirginia and A&M. Maybe TCU and Louisville? Maybe they will be happy to stay at 14.

I see the B1G taking Missouri and NotreDame. If we decided to go to 16, and I see no reason to do that, we might take Rutgers and Kansas. Not an exciting prospect.

Sounds like Texas and TexasTech are headed west along with Okla and OklaSt to form the Pac16.

gwalther's picture

My Vote is for Notre Dame-Mizzou or Notre Dame-Rutgers

Class of 2008

millertime2011's picture

If Meyer calling an auburn game is a conflict of interest then Mark May should never be allowed to utter the words "ohio state"

Denny's picture

This is my favorite Tetonic plate:

Also, Maryland IS to Under Armour what Oregon is to Nike. Kevin Plank is an alumnus of Maryland (although he never ran with Pre, so he'll never be as cool as Phil Knight).

Taquitos.

Hoody Wayes's picture

DJ's our "road" scholar:

"Lose those players--and the national title hopes that road on those players' backs..."

DJ Byrnes's picture

Eh, missed that. Good look.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

German Buckeye's picture

The traditional power of Ohio State is why the B1G has been succeeding.  I hope we dont have a downturn with the current administration.  I like Fickle, seems like a good guy, but Ohio State isn’t a place where you learn how to be a Head Coach, our results the past two weeks show we probably need a name coach to come in and sweep the closet of assistant coaches.  OSU needs to remain at the top to make the B1G a viable player in this time of expansion.  Remaining "good" colleges will look elsewhere for realignment if we have a bad year, and its NOT TOO late to correct the ship.  We can be 9-3 on the season still.  Not our normal expectations, but given what I've seen the last two games, probably the best we can expect.
 

AcrossTheField11's picture

While, I agree with 90% of what you say in this post, I'm not sure our sucess this year will have much bearing on what other schools decide to do in regard to realignment.  Its all about the cash flow and potential ability to succeed (get good bowl berths).  The cash flow from being a member of BIG10 is already there.  I think having tOSU having one or two down years would actually do more to attract big time schools rather than deter.  This is part of the reason why Texas and Oklahoma are rumored to head west instead of east.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

I can see this season playing out a lot like the '87 season. A rough Big Ten slate heading into the Michigan game with a lame duck coach (which will become more and more apparent as the season wears on). We may or may not be bowling, but I can see the whole "Win one for Fick!" mentality to close out the season.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Which name coach do you have in mind. People keep saying that the tOSU is one of the premier coaching gigs in the country and we should be able to get anybody. So who out there could take this team and make them into 10, 11, or 12 win team?

Meyer?
I got into it Saturday night with some fellow Buckeyes who are Meyer-lovers. Either Meyer still has a physical illness or his illness was stress-related. Either way disqualifies him from being the next Ohio State coach. Personally I think the latter is true; he couldn't handle the microscope Florida fans had him under. Think that will be different in Columbus?

Gruden? Stoops?
Someone please show me where either has indicated any interest in this job?

There are no magic candidates out there; only risky bets on success.
I will keep preaching this until the 11W proletariat starts listening. We can take the Michigan, Notre Dame route and go through a series of coaches until we find the right one. And in the meantime we've endured a decade of mediocrity.

OR....

We can give Fickell the time to grow into this job. Which almost assuredly will take less time.

And anyone of the position that tOSU is no place for a first year HC to cut his teeth. I want to remind you that his predecessor's only HC experience was in Div I-AA. And Meyer's successor at Florida has no HC experience at any level.

 

O-H Kee Pa's picture

All valid, well thought out points. While I would love to see Meyer patrolling our sidelines next September, I don't disagree with any of your points.

btalbert25's picture

I'm not neccessarily an Urban Meyer lover or anything, but did it ever occur to anyone that he just wasn't happy down there in Florida?  Perhaps he was looking to move on earlier, but stayed in Florida because of his family.  Wasn't part of the deal that he had to stay down there because one of his daughters was in school and he was staying close to her?  Maybe all the stress and long hours just weren't worth it at a place he wasn't happy coaching. 

Sure the pressure is going to be high here, but he'll be home.  It's a totally different set of circumstances here.  Plus, even if other coaches try, who is going to be successful in negative recruiting against Meyer?  No one.  Do you want to get to the NFL, do you want to win titles?  Here's my resume, what is Fat Brady's? 

Sure Tressel was a Div 1-AA coach, but he was the best one in the nation.  He won multiple titles at that level.  He knew how to run a team, and despite being a lower level, it was about as high profile of a program you could coach at.

Muschamp has been a coordinator at a major program for years.  Fickell was what?  Assistant D-coordinator?  Michigan's cupboard was bare when Dick Rod took over, and truth be told had the man been given 5 years instead of 3, the team may have been scarry good.  They were improving.  Notre Dame is horrible at hiring coaches.  Charlie Weiss?  C'mon.  Now Brian Kelly?  They replaced one offensive oriented coach with another.  They don't grasp that you need defense to win.

Bottom line is, we can't look at other schools and say well they did this so obviously that's how it's going to work here.  Tressel, if you are going to call him an unknown, was the exception much more than the rule.  Few coaches at any level have enjoyed the success he did.  I'm not willing to say any of the next coaches are going to reach that level, but I'd sure rather hedge my bet with a guy who has a proven track record and would be considered legendary, to replace a legend.  If not, there are other candidates that would have to strongly consider the option.  Both Petersons, are an option, and both are tremendous coaches, they would at least listen to offers.  Then there are people who would at least entertain the idea like Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer, possibly Gruden, Bo Pellini, and Mark Dantonio.  All, recruiting, X's and O's and experience would be a tremendous upgrade. 

NC_Buckeye's picture

I think you're employing some historical revisionism re Tressel's hire back in 2001. I recall a lot of WTF responses at the time.

Meyer
Rumor mill says that negative recruiting played a big part in Meyer wanting to get the hell out of Gainesville. (That and no longer having a stable coaching staff.) So jump out of the pot into another pot? Meyer has the ego that he might try it (i.e. the whole un-retiring saga that played out in Gainesville). My point is that this guy is not stable... by any means. And we'll be the ones to pay for it in the end.

Pellini and Dantonio
Remember when John Mackovic was at Illinois (88-91). He had the Illini lined up to win championships but decided to move on to greener pastures at Texas and became a colossal failure. Even at Arizona, he was never able to replicate the magic he had created at Illinois. There are no sure bets.

Patterson (TCU) & Petersen (Boise)
Both of these guys have rebuked so many offers from the big boys. I don't see either one budging from their current programs until they are absolutely sure that they won't a seat in the superconference framework. Even then see my Mackovic comment above. There are no sure bets.

IMO a new OC and QB coach would yield tremendous results for Luke THIS SEASON. But his hands are tied with a one year contract. I've been saying that since he became the HC back in June.

And about Muschamp, you're right he probably could have been an HC a while ago if he hadn't gotten into that whole coach-in-waiting mess at Texas. But if you believe the C-bus rumor mill, that's exactly what Fickell had become on the Tressel staff.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

It's going to be a hell of an interesting presser tomorrow.

btalbert25's picture

I never said their were sure bets, just better options.  I think alot of Kelly's success at UC was because of Dantonio.  He helped move that program forward and has done the same at MSU.  As for Patterson and Peterson, maybe both have turned down the big boys before, but it doesn't mean they haven't listenned.  Plus, look at the situation that some of the big boys were in vs what they would walk into at Ohio State.  The talent is here, the team is set up for success in the near future.  Give one of these guys a chance and some recruiting power, and things could work out very nicely.  Again, not saying either would take the job, but they would be intrigued. 

I don't know that the rumors about Fickell being head coach in waiting were true or not, I really didn't hear them much until fans were trying to rationalize that he was infact the man for the job after Tressel was fired "retired", left in shame, whatever you want to call it.  My point about Muschamp is he was a coordinator for years.  Fickell was a what co-coordinator, D coordiantor in waiting for a year or 2?  I just think he appears to be in over his head, even in press conferences, and that Ohio State is not the program to learn on the job.

None of the coaches above are sure bets.  None of them are guarrenttees, but all would be better options. 

NC_Buckeye's picture

I think the worst possible outcome would be for us to have a revolving door of coaches for the next decade. scUM fans will be in stitches.

Here's an idea. How about not hogtying our current coach with Bollman, Siciliano, and a one-year recruiting disadvantage (aka employment contract) and maybe finding out if he is, in the long run, the best option?

btalbert25's picture

Does appointing Fickell somehow guarrenttee that doesn't happen anyway?  What if we lose 5 games the next 3 years with him and Meyer has taken the Notre Dame job by then?  Then we give someone else the job who probably isn't quite what we were looking for?  Fickell is getting the rest of the season to show he has what it takes.  Even if the team loses he should at least look the part, and I just haven't seen anything that makes me confident at this point he's the guy. 

I would hate to have the chance to get a legendary coach who has won 2 BCS titles, and recruits as well if not better than any coach in America because well Luke is a Buckeye and he deserves a chance.  Or I'm affraid that this coach won't last that long.  Personally, if Meyer were hired and only stayed 4 years, but the team won 2 titles, it's a successful hiring in my opinion. 

I'm not even saying he's the answer, but this off season they'll have options, and they'd be stupid not to explore them, even if we end up with the same guy.  At least at that point we would have the coach the school wants, not someone they had to put in a position to fail this year. 

RBuck's picture

I absolutely have no problem retaining Fickell as long as Bollman and Sicilano go away. I think Fick's will start to "get it" after a few more games.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

jfrank373's picture

Pretty much any coach with head coaching experience is more qualified than Luke Fickell. Period.  Luke just seemed lost Saturday.  The whole rotating captain thing was kind of cool at first but now it just seems F*ed up.  The whole OR line in the program is just rediculous. There is no leadership on the team, not even from the head coach.  And if Fickell stays, what do you do with some of the horrible assistants on the team? Clean house? Might as well clean house with a whole new slate of coaches, including the head coach.  I would bet any amount of money that Urban Meyer coaches Ohio State next year.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Dude, you need to change your avatar if that's how you honestly feel. I'm sure there are lots of images of Meyer in Gator-wear out on the interwebs.

cal3713's picture

Indeed, Fickell was lost.  You could see it in his eyes.  He looked scared.

Hoosierbuckeyedaddy's picture

Well Said.  Please keep preaching until the Buckeye Nation realizes that Urban is NOT the answer!!!!

Northbrook's picture

I think Luke will be an excellent head coach for us. It was too late for him to make the staff changes he needs to make when he got the job. Make those changes right away once this season is over and we are good to go for next year. We have had few decent offences since Tress was in charge. Smith and Pryor covered up some glaring weaknesses on the field and also made a contribution off the field, just not always to the good. Not having a good QB right now is highlighting those weaknesses.

If Luke is not retained I'd like to see us try to hire Petersen from Boise St.

cal3713's picture

You know, I'd love to see Fickell succeed... but he has zero head coaching experience.  The Ohio State job is too good to hire someone with that resume.  If Fickell ends up being our permanent head coach, it'll be 15 years down the line after he's proven himself elsewhere just like everyone else has to.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Regarding the ACC, was its weekend move an attempt to: 1.) plug a hole made by the impending defection of Maryland to the B1G, 2.) counter the B1G's desire to carry out an NYC/Southern New England market incursion, by grabbing UCONN or 3.) seduce Penn State and ND:

http://www.foxsportssouth.com/09/18/11/ACC-additions-could-be-only-the-s...

slippy's picture

I don't buy #2.  You know who the "local" college football team is in pretty much all of New England + New York?  It's Penn State.

Buckeyejason's picture

You're kinda right on that one..I live in New York and it seems mostly everyone likes Penn state..some Notre Dame..and even some Florida, Florida state, Miami fans.

New England has Boston College, who isn't a powerhouse by any means but a solid school that competes.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

If the BT had wanted Maryland, they easily could have had Maryland. The addition of Nebraska allowed for a CCG and now the BT is quite happy dividing its pie by 12. The only reason to expand beyond 12 would be if the BT could land a net value-adder, which means Texas, except Texas won't agree to full revenue sharing. At this point, it's not clear that adding ND is a net positive, especially considering the BT would need to add another marginal brand (school) to make 14.

I'm guessing, the ACC either has a t.v. deal lined-up, which is contingent on them adding certain regional assets (hence Syracure and Pitt), or else that conference just flat-out panicked. An ACC network divided 14 ways is not all that lucrative, on a per school basis, but it could get really ugly for those 14 ACC schools in the absence of a big t.v. deal, especially factoring in travel costs, scheduling difficulties.

The real culprit of all this crazy behavior is Texas, not the BT. The BT simply went to 12. But Texas made the B12 unsustainable to begin with.       

Maestro's picture

I have no problem with the B1G just sitting pat at 12. The conference is great as is IMHO.

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btalbert25's picture

Notre Dame would certainly add value.  They have fans in virtually every large market and small market in America.  They advertising dollars plus increase in footbprint for BTN would be huge.  Inevitably Rutgers or Missouri would make the 14th school.  Both would add value in by increasing the footprint.  Adding the BTN to the standard cable package in New Jersey would bring in a lot of $$$.  It's not neccessarily how great of a brand Rutgers is, as the increase TV's that would have the BTN.  New Jersey is what the 10th most populated state, it would be a nice market to land.  Notre Dame + Mizzou/Rutgers/UConn= a ton of money.

Baroclinicity's picture

Hey man, I majored in Atmospheric Sciences at Ohio State (grad. 1997)!  I'm guessing it's been given it's own department now... before, it was tucked in under Geography.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

DJ Byrnes, it's unfair to refer to football factories like Ohio State as "money factories."

For the most part, the net proceeds generated from football, and to a lesser degree men's basketball, are used to support all the other athletic dept. needs, with little left over for other purposes. Sure, ADs make nice salaries & perks, but the idea is that a first-class AD will generate more revenue for the department, which in turn goes back into the department.

You skimmed over, but did not address, one of the major underlying problems, which is Title IX. If anyone is "exploiting" Div. 1A cfb stars, it is the girl's lacrosse and men's soccer players. To a certain extent, that's fine. In academic departments, there are also "star" kids who help bring the university prestige, awards, etc. Moreover, the football/basketball programs support an extension of the traditional Platonic ideal - improving not just young people's minds, but also their bodies, ethical foundations, etc.

The problem is that Title IX puts athletic programs in really difficult situations. Trying to satisfy Title IX, while succeeding at the big revenue sports, while also pursuing other goals - it's become a nightmare for many schools. Add in the NCAA compliance maze . . .

DJ Byrnes's picture

You're right there is a absolutely hardly any money made off CFB.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

And you come right back with the same strawman argument. Yes, there is a lot of money made off CFB, but as I very clearly stated, it mostly goes right back into the athletic dept.

There is absolutely hardly any money made off university tuition . . .

There is absolutely hardly any money made off federal and state taxes . . .

There is absolutely hardly any money made off medicine . . .

There is absolutely hardly any money made off the media (with whom E11 bloggers always seem to feel so sympathetic) . . .

 

 

DJ Byrnes's picture

You lost me. What are you saying here? That the universities themselves see little money from the football team?

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Pam's picture

That is exactly what he is saying and it is true. Most AD's have a separate budget from the school. In tOSU's case, no tuition or tax dollars support the AD, it is run on revenue. The revenue made by the FB team and BB team fund the other 34 sports that don't make a dime. Only a handful of FBS schools run a surplus or break even in their AD's, the rest operate in the red.

DJ Byrnes's picture

So, what about TCU's sudden burst in applicant numbers? What about all that Ohio State swag I see around on game-days? What about all the tax money generated, which comes back to Ohio State in grants?

Sure, the direct numbers may say "omg everybody is in the red", but c'mon now, this is America. If money isn't getting made, it isn't happening. (Unless it's Title IX being hilariously enforced on a collegiate level). Look around on a game-day at these places. And money is being LOST by these places overall? So where do all these bags of money go?

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

BuckeyeSki's picture

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cal3713's picture

Yeah, and so what?  If the university makes money it gets invested into research and teaching, where's the evil in that?  I personally have no problem with the use of athletics to help the university achieve its mission of educating and advancing human knowledge. 

DJ Byrnes's picture

I certainly don't either. In fact, I'd be the first one to sign my name on anything waxing Title-IX above the high school level. My problem isn't that there's money around college football, it's more that none of it is going to the kids who are risking spinal injuries for our entertainment. I also have a lot of disdain for the joke of "amateurism" and this entire notion that these colleges aren't making any money off of all of this.

The whole thing needs to be blown up and restructured. In a perfect world, colleges wouldn't have sports above intramural levels, but that's neither here nor there. I'm also not trying to break anybody's mind either.

Feel free to read this article from the Atlantic, which is making the points I'm trying to make here, but with much more credibility than I'm ever going to be able to muster.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Pam's picture

Yes, money is being lost by about 100 of the 120 D1 teams. This is not new information. Ohio St. happens to be one of the ones that actually makes money or breaks even, which is amazing considering they have the largest AD in the country with 36 sports and about 1k student-athletes. The "bags of money" is a myth. Scholarships have to be paid back to the school, recruiting, overhead (maintenance of facilities etc.) travel expenses, paying teams like Akron $850k, etc. Yes, this is America, an organization that runs in the red as well.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Three steps to restoring sanity to the universe of major athletic programs:

  1. Get rid of the NCAA, replacing it with a new rules body with a much simpler, more streamlined code.
  2. Strike down and/or repeal Title IX.
  3. Create a powerful partnership of conferences/networks (e.g., BT, Pac12, ACC) that will extricate itself completely from the now practically-monopolistic eSECpn, keep all of its t.v. money "in house," and be in direct competition with eSECpn.

The above steps are far, far easier said than done. The political opposition to steps 1 and 2 would be profound. The legal and economic battles pertaining to step 3 could get very nasty.

But, if these steps were taken, the system would flourish, while simultaneously accomodating both "big time" sports and the traditional (Greek/Roman) student-athlete model.

cal3713's picture

So basically, you want all university athletic departments to drop all sports that don't turn a profit, and focus on making as much money as possible while fighting a giant corporate TV network. 

Sounds like a solid plan.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I didn't say any such thing - use your brain.

In the absense of the NCAA, Title IX, and by controlling more of its t.v. money, conferences like the BT will have more money to spend, and greater flexibility in spending it, on non-revenue sports.

If the universitities didn't think these other sports were important, they could lop off most male non-revenue sports right now, under the current arrangement. Because they believe that many of the male non-revenue sports are important - even though they're basically a pain-in-the-ass to keep operating, given the state of affairs (including Title IX) - there's no reason to think they'd do less of that under more favorable operating conditions. More than likely, they'd add extra male non-revenue sports, rather than cut female sports.  

Rooster Buckburn's picture

If, and I mean 'if', the B1G expands (again) I can't help but think it would like some east coast market action which means Rutgers or UConn perhaps.  Missouri would bring in the KC and StL markets - but those are small potatoes compared to NYC area

cronimi's picture

Neither UConn nor Rutgers brings in the NYC market.  Those programs are small potatoes, even in NYC.  The New York market -- to the extent there is a critical mass of college sports fanaticism (which is open to debate) -- is tied to big-time schools whose graduates get jobs in Manhattan, i.e., ND, Penn St., etc.  If Delany & Co. fall for this argument, hopefully they choose UConn over Rutgers -- football won't be helped, but at least basketball would be.  Rutgers would be a lose-win -- current B1G loses, Rutgers wins big.

RBuck's picture

I don't want Rutgers either. They really bring nothing to the sports table. The NYC market is mostly NFL, Notre Dame and Penn St. The B1G should have gone after Pitt. Best scenario for now is the Domers and Mizzou. Maybe Kansas and Iowa St. later.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Rooster Buckburn's picture

I think I'd have to disagree with your first statement.  UConn bball is not small potatos and when Rutgers had a good football team a few years ago - you can't tell me that wasn't generating interest in that part of the country??  Having said that - I personally don't care to add either team.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I never want to see my Buckeyes stuggle as much as they did against Miami, but since it happened, I can see a possible silver lining.

One might argue that the worst case scenario for 2011 would have been if the Buckeyes had started out the season 5-0, convinced the coaching staff to play Bauserman almost exclusively, but then they limped through the second half of the season, finishing something like 9-3.

No BT championship, no BCS bowl, but just good enough to make the coaching decision extremely difficult and controversial, either way. An entire "tease" of a season, in which B. Miller gets only occasional reps with the starters.

Now, the Buckeyes are facing a moment of crisis, but it's also sort of a no-lose situation. They can afford to let Miller play full-time now. The young players can focus on trying to get better, day by day, and a little less so on carrying the heavy weight of expectations (although the BT is still in play).  

It's also a great test for Fickell and company. If the team is unable to fight their way out of this hole, that's probably clear evidence that Fickell needs a little more seasoning before taking a full-time gig at a program like Ohio State.

Hoody Wayes's picture

It ain't over, by a long shot. Better to stumble early, than late.

O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

+1.

Throw the Buffalo steaks on the grill this Saturday and enjoy them with a nice cool Miller.  

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Exactly. Not that we ever want the Buckeyes to play themselves into a situtation that alleviates our stress levels. Yet, it is sort of refreshing that we can throw some buffalo steaks on the grill, and simply watch the game this weekend, with no idea what Buckeye team might show up, and not that worried about it, either way.

Normally, we're mentally calcluating how many BCS points we might gain from beating Colorado 31-7, while Toledo crushes Syracuse, etc., while hoping that the Hindenburg crashes the Alabama v. Arkansas game.

This weekend, we can watch the games as if we were NC State or Purdue fans - with food, drink, family, and friendship being just as important as the final score.    

BrewstersMillions's picture

The speed at which panic sets into Buckeye Nation is astounding. OSU's Physics professors should do a study on it and its ability to break land speed records.

 

It has taken us 10 years, an off season of monumentally bad press, the loss of the best NCAA coach of the era, the loss of your 3 year starter at QB and the suspension of 3 of your most important offensive players for us as fans to see the potential for a few off years at OSU. I am fully aware of the pride of Ohio State Football-I attended the school from 2001 and matriculated in 2005. I was at ground zero for Tressel's first year and what I am reading now and hearing from other fans is practically identical to what I heard back then.

I can agree with a majority of the sentiment that Bauserface has to go. It's time to throw Miller into the fire, lean on Hyde and Hall until Boom and Posey gets back and hope for the best.

I will take a personal stand on a the Fickell thing though. It is entirely too soon to demand he be fired. I recall vividly the heat JT took his first few years especially in the early loss against UCLA, the history making loss against PSU, and the blowout against U of I. The heat was the exact same because it was a 'clear case' of a coach being overwhelmed by the job. I can recall several times when Tressel mismanaged or made questionable calls in that first season and even then as an 18 year punk I remember thinking "It's ok. This is Ohio State, he's the right guy for the job". I am not standing here before you saying "I called it! I knew JT would be great!" nor am I saying "Fickell will be the next great OSU coach!" but I am begging that we just be a little patient. Getting upset about this season is a lost cause. Bad football is something we have not seen in Columbus for a long time but every powerhouse goes through a lean year or two. EVERYONE. Texas. USC, Michigan, Florida, Florida State, Oklahoma, Alabama, everyone. It is more than arrogance to think we are beyond that. It is down right foolish. Take heed in the fact that an absolute perfect storm of NCAA distractions, coaching changes and player flux is what it took to bring OSU down a few pegs for now. This is temporary Bucks fans. Just breathe, relax, realize this season isn't a championship one, and be patient. It is a tough task because we've grown to expect such greatness but everyone hits a speed bump...we'll power through it.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

btalbert25's picture

I can agree that panic sets in awfully fast, and we aren't used to bad football.  We'll get plenty of it this season unfortunately.  I do, however, believe Fickell isn't cut out for the job.  A better coach could've won that game or at least had the team competitive in my opinion.  I also feel like he packed it in at the end and kind of quit on the team.  You have to take at least A timeout on that last possession of Miami's.  The defense was gutting it out, and give them a breather to give them a chance.  It may not have helped, it certainly wouldn't have won the game, but the final result would've been better at least.  There were just a lot of little things like that which led me to think, this guy just isn't ready. 

I hope I'm wrong, and in a few games we all say wow, this guy has it together, but I could really see this team losing the next 3 games.

Maestro's picture

I completely agree about the panic of Buckeye fans. It is pretty crazy. I have the advantage of a little bit of separation considering I haven't actually lived in Ohio for a long time, but I have always been amazed at how fast the Buckeye faithful will throw in the towel. I will absolutely never forget the calls for Tressel's head in the 2004 season. Ridiculous.

This season is going to be about improving.

I fell into the trap of thinking that these kids could just take all that happened this past offseason in-stride and that it wouldn't affect the season too dramatically, but that was completely foolish thinking on my part.

All you have to do is look at the production, and amount of starts that this team lost or had suspended to start the season to realize that this is a very unique season. Not to mention the Head Coach.

I still believe that this team has the talent to win 8 or 9 games. October is going to be incredibly difficult. Even Ohio State football isn't immune to a down year. The only programs that appear to be immune are those of the SEC West, and we all know that they operate under a different set of rules.

Beat Colorado. Look for growth from the receiving corp. Cheer like hell.

vacuuming sucks

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree, but both of the following propositions can be true at the same time (although not necessarily):

  1. Many Buckeye fans are whiny, spoiled little brats who are way too quick to throw the team and/or Fickell under the bus.
  2. AND, Fickell might not be the right guy for the job. Coach Fickell has the rest of the season to lead this team through a process of steady improvement, resilience to adversity. Obviously, there are a lot of challenges, but the evaluation of Fickell will have to be unemotional. The team doesn't have to go 10-2 to prove that he's an outstanding coach, but excuses won't go very far when it comes to hiring the full-time, head football coach of the Ohio State University. 
btalbert25's picture

I totally agree, and to be sure 1 game isn't enough to evaluate Fickell on, but I just haven't been very confident he'd be the guy since they named him the interim, to not interim(yeah right).  To me, after 3 games, 2 of which were horrible, and 1 against a team Colerain would probably beat, it looks like my concerns were valid.  He has time to turn it around and prove me wrong.  I just dont like how he carries himself on the sideline.  He looks disinterested to me.  I hate that the coach packed it in with 5 1/2 minutes left in the game too.  They players don't look focused at all, and keep making ridiculous mistakes.  I just am not pleased with how he and the team are competing right now. 

A loss is fine if we see some grit and a coach who has his guys fighting till the end.  If the coach packs it in, why won't the players end up doing the same thing?

Buckeyejason's picture

I agree with you 100%, Fickell looks unenthused and has a look on his face like hes day dreaming.

He talks about competing in every interview that he does and apparently he's not practicing what he preaches because he gave up way too early in that game..I and every Buckeye fan in the nation could see that.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Colin's picture

If Fickell was actually as emotional as Brian Kelly and went berserk all the time, after a loss you guys would complain that he is too enthusiastic. When Tressel lost games, or when he almost lost against Arkansas last season after the blocked punt, he didn't look too enthusiastic either. You're just trying to come up with reasons for why Fickell is a bad coach at this point.

Buckeyejason's picture

You're completely off base here. You don't have to scream like a maniac and turn as red as a tomato but geez show a little fire and desire..get you're guys riled up to make plays.

Fickells been outcoached 2 of the last 3 games and doesn't show a sign of being "the head man". I know he has no QB but that's a whole nother discussion.

BUCKEYES BABY!

btalbert25's picture

There's no reason to look for excuses, the team has provided enough of that.  He absolutely doesn't need to be throwing tantrums and screaming but he at least should look like he is I don't know coaching the team.  Every time he gets on camera  he's just kind of standing there with the same blank stare.  He's not talking to anyone, he's not showing any kind of emotion one way or another,  he's just got a blank stare on his face.  It's pretty obvious to me anyway, that he's just not ready.  We'll get 9 more games of this where he can prove me wrong, but after 3 games, he just doesn't pass the eyeball test.

Imagine if Tressel sat on all 3 of those TO's like Fickell did.  People would be calling for his head, hell even the announcer was confused by that strategy.  It wouldn't have mattered in the end, but after that last turnover it seemed that Fickell quit.  Maybe everyone is ok with that, but what happens when pressure is on in Lincoln or Ann Arbor, are we going to be ok with it when the team follows their coach's lead?  I hope I'm wrong I hope he's the next great coach at Ohio State, but to this point I see nothing that indicates he has the makeup to be that guy at all.

joel121270's picture

Not throwing Fickell under the bus, I am all for him....Bollman on the other hand needs to go and I feel I haven't seen much on this thread about him....I understand you can't get rid of him at this junture (can we?) but anything less of Miller get PT for experience is doing a disservice to the team and the future teams..let the kid take his lumps. Honestly, Joe B is showing the same inept passing that he did last year (granted his receivers didn't do much this past game to help). But come on man, even I could hit a receive 1 out of ten times down field without over throwing him when I was younger....just sayin. I love our beloved Buckeyes and hope all the best for Joe B but it's Miller time IMHO.

Baroclinicity's picture

My biggest concerns lie with two things.  Michigan smells blood, and we may be losing the recruiting advantage we had for so long.  I think the calls for the coaching change next year are the product of sensing the program losing its footing, and doing anything we can to prevent that, no matter how hasty the decisions may be.

But it looks like Fickell may not have a chance.  He doesn't (presumably) have *his* coaching staff in place... he got Tressel's which may or may not work for him, on top of missing key players and having to break in new ones at key positions. 

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

joel121270's picture

At least give the guy a chance to replace that God awful Offensive coodinator we have in Bollman...Again, just sayin!

Pam's picture

Totally agree. I called my friend in Cols. Sat. night and said "So, this is what it feels like to be a fan of a medicore team" As you said, that is not something we are used to. Winning and average of 10-11 games per year for ten years apparently is not as easy as Tressel made it seem and even then some fans were not happy. There is no way this team could lose what it did and not skip a beat. How good JT and TP were cannot be overstated.  As a fan group we have to let this team know we support them (no booing them would be a start). The Big House was full and even expanded during their darkest days as a team. God forbid we become worse fans than them. It does not feel good, but think how bad the players and coaches feel. Pretty sure they feel worse.

Go Bucks!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree about keeping things in perspective and about not prematurely throwing Fickell under the bus. A few differences, however, between the first year of JT's riegn and now:

  1. JT had the 2001 team playing better as the season progressed. The game against ILL, which won the BT that year, was not a blowout. Fickell needs to show the same positive arc through the season.
  2. JT was hired by a committee, after a full coaching search and interview process. For Fickell to ultimately bypass the normal selection process, and be hired as the permanent (not just interim) coach, he has to show more than a first-year coach who was hired after careful scrutiny, etc.  
BrewstersMillions's picture

I have a hard time saying any team that was led by Steve Bellisari for much of the season progressed. The best thing that ever happened to OSU under his reign was his inability to hold his liquor.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Okay, Bellisari never got much better in 2001 (or the two years prior to that), but the team did improve throughout JT's first season.

The two best teams in the BT that year were ILL and TTUN. Ohio State hung tough against the Illini with a first-time starting QB Krenzel and then handled TTUN on the road. No question, the Buckeye OL made big strides from the UCLA game to the end of the season.

BrewstersMillions's picture

I can meet you halfway there. They did get better as a team but the heat didnt stop because the losses piled up. Three weeks in and OSU appears to have regressed but lets see what November brings. If we can beat CU (which we should be able to) and beat Sparty (who didnt do anything to impress me Saturday) its a whole new world when Adams, Boom, and Posey get back on the field. The constant however is that Miller has to be the guy. Bauserface's days have to be over.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

btalbert25's picture

I guess my question would be, is has Ohio State impressed you at all through the first 3 weeks.  I'm not confident that this team SHOULD beat anyone right now.  I kept hearing how Toledo wasn't that bad, but they go routed (whether they hung in there for a while or not) by Boise.  Miami is not a good team.  Hell Jacory was even Jacory against the Buckeyes throwing 2 picks and should've had a at least 1 more hand Bryant not dropped a sure pick 6. 

Miami isn't good, and they routed the Buckeyes on Saturday night.  Colorado may not be a good team and Michigan State is probably mediocre at best, but I'm not sure that I'm confident that this team wins any of the next 3 games.  Granted they have more talent than the next 2 opponents, but if we play any team that can score points the next 3 weeks, this team is in trouble.

Maestro's picture

It's just about getting wins at this point. Colorado is going to be a decent game, but I believe OSU is too talented to lose to them.

Adding Corey Linsley was a real boost to the running game, and Hall should be in better game shape this Saturday. The Buckeyes will be able to run the ball.

The defense will keep them in the game, and lo and behold I am going to predict that Joe Bauserman throws a TD pass. He also won't turn the ball over and OSU will win by 10.

As for who has impressed me: Jordan Hall, John Simon, Big Hank, El Guapo, Dom Clarke and Ben Buchanan.

vacuuming sucks

jenks's picture

i don't have the time to deal with all this.

there's too much other crap going on in my life to deal with 1) an ohio state loss, 2) conference realignment, 3) the possible collapse of the ncaa, 4) crappy uniforms, 5) more investigations, 6) urban meyer. im not saying the world is going to end in 2012, im just saying it's looking more and more likely.

/must breathe and watch video of earth a few more times

Squirrel Master's picture

Jeesh! Oregon is hires a recruiting organization to "bring in" players! I am astonished!

oh and isn't anyone else more curious about the starting QB getting caught in a car with Marijuana not once but TWICE!! and in a car that was rented by a team staff member?

ask Chip Kelly if he has known all about this now so he can lie and get caught later!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

BED's picture

Dude, Texas is known for their academics.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

cal3713's picture

Yeah, I was going to point that out too.

mr.green's picture

If true (Big If), the Big East has officially died. Note dame has its argument for joining the B1G in all sports.

 

Buckeyejason's picture

I understand, we all understand. Fickell needs a chance, be patient. We're young, it'll be ok etc etc.

You know what's not ok, 35 yards passing. 35 FREAKING YARDS PASSING!!!

I think half of the people on this website could throw for more than that in a game..I'm being very serious.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Jdadams01's picture

Even more so is the fact that Bauserman had just 13. I could step on the field and throw for 13 yeards against Miami.

btalbert25's picture

I'm going to throw one out there for ya, I'd love Louisville in the B1G.  Their basketball is good and their football is bad right now, but has a great fan base.  They have some horrible coaching right now, but I'd love to add Louisville.  Their fans are a fun bunch, and Pappa John's Stadium on game day is a fun place to be.  I'm not kidding when I say this either!  I know they don't add much to the footprint of the BTN but it would be a nice school to add in my opinion.

Bucks43201's picture

I thought Pitt would be a great geographical fit, a natural rivalry with Penn State, and maybe one with Ohio State in the future. And, it would be great to directly piss Mark May off every year, too.

I think the BIG will go hard after Notre Dame. Missouri seems like that girl you don't really want to text at 2:30 in the morning, but if no one else is available, then you just "take what you can get" --- that's Missouri --- she'll be there if you want/need her.

Rutgers makes sense media-market wise. Maryland does, to an extent as well.

Texas would be the big get --- but ESPiN seems to be really pushing the Texas to the Pac 12 hard.

Long shots --- Kentucky, Louisville (both would be solid basketball additions & UK has to know it has a ceiling playing in the SEC football-wise, they would see the BIG as a better opportunity to compete in, in regards to football. While BIG basketball trumps SEC basketball).

Maybe Va. Tech as a suprise team --- they play BIG defense.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

btalbert25's picture

Kentucky will never leave the SEC.  They are one of the charter members.  Their fans would be outraged.  They are very proud of being an SEC team down there in Lexington, and it's really not because of football.  People make trips out of the SEC basketball tournament every year.  I can't see any team defecting from the SEC and now that it's expanding, the ACC.  We're going to have to pick up the left overs from the Big East and Big 12 to expand, and of course Notre Dame.

btalbert25's picture

I don't see any of the current ACC teams leaving if other teams are joining now.  They have some big markets and big names, their network is on the horizon I'm sure.  I also don't think that Texas to the Pac 12/16 has anything to do with ESPN and what they want the school to do.  It made the most sense that that's where they'd end up anyway.  Even when there was a lot of initial talk about Texas last spring and where they  may end up, it was being speculated the Pac 12/16 was the logical choice, especially if they had to take another Texas school with them.  With Oklahoma and OKie State going there it makes even more sense,  Then you'd have a Pac 12 east division with Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Colorado , Utah, and the other OSU and throw in both Arizona's.  That's your 8 team division on one side, the rest on the other.

Baroclinicity's picture

Any chance Maryland gets enticed by the B1G?  Or are they a charter member of the ACC?

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

btalbert25's picture

I don't know how connected Maryland is to the ACC, I just don't see them leaving if the ACC is expanding.  There probably is a behind the scenes negotiation going on for a network now, and I'd think that Maryland's market would be a big part of the value that network has.  Everything is changing so fast it's hard to say for sure.  I just think ACC is expanding now to protect their conference and keep from losing schools.

Nappy's picture

Maryland is a charter member of the ACC.  My initial hope would have been Maryland/Va Tech, but with the ACC expanding, I doubt even more that that happens. 

Fan of bacon since 1981

btalbert25's picture

Somewhere I also read that Va Tech/Virginia are a package deal

 

Baroclinicity's picture

What happens if we stay put at 12?  I think the B1G is strong enough to not *have* to expand.  Nobody is going to leave the conference.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Nappy's picture

Thats kinda wierd considering up until a few years ago they were in different conferences.  Whats the point of same state schools being in the same conference?  We also heard this last year with Texas and A&M.

Fan of bacon since 1981

btalbert25's picture

I agree, I just read that they were a package deal.  That was back when the rumor was the SEC was going to grab them.  We did hear that with A&M, but it is now looking like that's the situation with Texas and Texas Tech.  Anyway, just what I read.  I don't think it matters anyway.  I think the ACC is expanding to make sure they stay intact and don't lose one of their larger programs like Va Tech or FSU. I don't see any of them moving now.

Bucks43201's picture

Syracuse was a charter member of the Big East -- and they left.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

Buckeyejason's picture

Enough with this conference bull shit already. "This team would be good here, that team would bring in this market".

Who gives a [censored] at this point. Everything is just a crap shoot built by greedy ass hats.

College football has lost its appeal to me at an extreme rate with the NCAA acting like the Mob, teams moving conferences like musical chairs, and the whole BCS debacle.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Bucks's picture

Understand your dislike for the shifting and all the things going on right now, but I hardly view it as crap. Certainly important with CFB in general/conference branding & the more moving taking place, the higher the concern.

 

Maestro's picture

Agreed about it not being crap. We just aren't used to it, and in the end I suppose it is just part of the inevitable slide towards a semi-pro type of sports future at the big schools.

In the end the B1G is going to be a major player no matter how it all shakes out.

vacuuming sucks

btalbert25's picture

Plus, today I'd rather talk about conferences and teams moving around than the poor showing we've been talking about since Saturday night.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Any news on Texas and Oklahoma?

BoFuquel's picture

The Lady Of South Bend, to The B1G, with either JT or SUB-Urban as the coach.

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

The Buckeyes are 15 pt. favorites against Colorado this week. Is that pre-confirmation that Miller has been named the starting QB?  

Bucks43201's picture

if Bauserman was the starting QB ---- I'd fade Colorado with the 15 points in a heartbeat

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes