Monday Skull Session

By DJ Byrnes on September 12, 2011 at 6:00a
61 Comments

Today is Monday, September 12th, 2011. It is the 255th day of the year. Ohio State is 2-0 and ranked #17 in the latest AP Top 25 poll. The Cleveland Browns are 0-1. Ben Franklin taught himself to read French, Italian, Latin, and Spanish.

THE NCAA HAS SOME QUESTIONS FOR OHIO STATE. The NCAA waited until about 19 hours before the Toledo game's kick-off to inform Ohio State that Corey Brown's, Travis Howard's, and Jordan Hall's one game suspension had been turned into two.

Well, their collective status appears to be in doubt for the Miami game later this week. The NCAA says the case opens "new questions" which Ohio State must answer. All of this, of course, comes with the NCAA's Hammer of Abitrary Justice looming over Ohio State's skull.

"No, I'm not confident," [Gene] Smith told The Associated Press. "We do have to provide some more information to the NCAA. We'll start that process tomorrow. We've got some meetings [Sunday] and Monday, and we'll get them the additional information they want and then go from there."

MINNESOTA COACH JERRY KILL HAD A SEIZURE BUT HE'S DOING OKAY NOW. On Saturday, (during a 28-21 loss to New Mexico State), Kill suffered his third seizure on gameday during his career. He's currently laid up in a hospital, listed as "stable," and all tests have come back negative

THIS IS A JOKE THEYRE REALLY NOT TRYING TO SIGN A 61 YEAR OLD SO RELAX PLZAlan Moore-to-OSU transfer rumors swirl.

A SIXTY-ONE YEAR OLD MAN PLAYED IN A COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAME THIS WEEKEND. Sure, it was for NAIA Faulkner, and all he did was boot an extra point, but granddad Alan Moore is now the oldest person to ever play in a college football game.

BRIAN KELLY STILL BELIEVES IN HIS TEAM. It's always good sign for your football team when your coach has to take to the podium to say things like he still has faith in his team.

I still believe in this team, I still believe we'll be a good football team. But the chance to be a good team is all the things that we're doing right now. We're not giving ourselves a chance to be a good football team.

So, in other words, Notre Dame isn't a very good team right now.

WHAT IF THE UTAH-USC GAME HAD BEEN A HORSE RACE? Remember when people who bet on Utah +8.5 were about to cash their tickets, but then the Pac-12 made four administration decisions in a row which resulted in the loser being turned in the winner? The. fix. is. on.

ARMY'S PLAYERS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYERS. Just click the link.

Internet Things. A Japanese man killed his neighbor over a parking space... An Indian man went on holiday for two weeks, leaving his dogs at home, and when he returned--they ate him... How to turn a flower into the most addictive drug in the world... A Portsmouth, Ohio, woman took her trash to the Mayor's office after her route was skipped... Fidel Castro: Still ballin'... The Eternal King Warren G. Harding...

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Was never a big fan of Moore's Watchmen, but really enjoyed his run on Swamp Thing and Top 10 is prolly my fav. He does look different w/o beard tho.

GoBucks713's picture

I'm going with V for Vendetta. Actually, pretty much anything he touches is good. And Watchmen was a bit before it's time.

-The Aristocrats!

BuddhaBuck's picture

If Basil keeps kicking this poorly, we could make a spot for Grandpa Moore.

As a Buckeye fan, we really need Hall and Howard back on the field. As a college football fan, these guys are morons for accepting ca$h amidst the NCAA TAT-2 (saw this on a jersey on Saturday, pretty awesome) investigation and probably should be suspended indefinitely for exceptional stupidity.

Don't text while driving.

Rooster Buckburn's picture

And the NCAA is fine with Jacory Harris playing after only a 1 game suspension?? 

beserkr29's picture

Why bring things such as logic and reason into the equation?  This is the NCAA we're talking about.

BuddhaBuck's picture

+1. Nothing ever adds up correctly when the NCAA is involved.

Don't text while driving.

BuckPirate1981's picture

The NCAA is simply biding their time until Yahoo! can mount a proper investigation for them.  While on one hand I'm glad Jacory will be able to play, as our defensive backs need more reps catching the ball and his backup may only be half the INT machine he is, it truly is unfair.  

In Shapiro’s words: “Jacory came by. He was at my house a number of times. We played pool. He was part of the pool tournament where I put cash in each pocket. It was a double elimination tournament. There was about $500 in pool. He was there at my house a number of times [and] in the clubs with me a few times. He was around a lot of stuff.”

Even if each OSU player mentioned in the charity three received $200 from Gene Smith himself, how do they justify a one game suspension then draw this out with the OSU players all this in mind?  I know, logic, the NCAA, angry noises, they're a joke, and we're their piñata.  

AcrossTheField11's picture

Any thoughts or speculations as to what the "new questions" might be in regard to?

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

buckeyedude's picture

Yes. The new question the NCAA is going to pose to Gene Smith is going to be:

"Hey Gene, bro, I thought you said you were going to get this under control?"

 

 

Bucks's picture

It won't surprise me to hear sometime this week that additional players were at this event. I can only guess that the particular reason for delaying these players & return specifically is due to inconsistencies in their answers.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

Based on a hunch (as in Smith is f'ing useless at this point and more incompetency wouldn't surprise you) or something a little more substantial?

Bucks's picture

As far as additional players there, hunch. What I have heard is purely unsubstantiated: That the event was one in Cleveland, not associated with Spielman Cancer event as thought before & that there were plenty of former Glenville standouts there.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

This is just bang my head against a wall and make me up in September 2012 material. Unfrigginbelievable.

AcrossTheField11's picture

Plenty of former Glenville standouts that are currently on our roster... or plenty of former Glenville standouts like Troy Smith, Tedd Ginn, Robert Rose, Pierre Woods, Dante Whitner et al? 

If you meant current players on the roster, this could only mean Christian Bryant and Marcus Hall if we aren't including Cardale Jones.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Bucks's picture

Your answer to that is now in the Buckshots listing. While there are now two other players who are not named that attended, my understanding was higher (8 total).

 

 

btalbert25's picture

I have a feeling that the latest round of trouble with the program will lead to a bowl ban this year.  I know it's a separate issue from the trouble that first drew the NCAA's attention, but they haven't ruled on sanctions yet, and I just have a feeling they are going to tack more on because clearly Ohio State has not learned how to rein in this kind of BS.  It's all fine and well that they self report this stuff and take care of it in house, but self reporting does nothing to stop the kids from doing it, and the NCAA slap on the wrist that Ohio State has received in the past clearly hasn't made Ohio State any more stern.  I have a feeling this team won't be playing for a bowl or a B1G title, which I'm not sure they are good enough to win the B1G anyway. 

RBuck's picture

Yep, and take it this year.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

mr.green's picture

Folding the tent after Game Two? Never!

 I see us at 2-0 and playing Miami on Saturday. Game on.

The NCAA is coming down on us hard NOW for this minor thing because they don't want to look soft when they accept the self-imposed punishment fo the bigger scandal.

 

 

 

bgbuckeye's picture

+1 for the positive outlook!

btalbert25's picture

I'm not folding up the tent, just being realistic about the team we have at this point.  If Bauserman continues to get the large majority of PT, it could get ugly.  I'm not as confident as most about this Saturday.  I'm also not very confident about Michigan State.  Even with TP, a legendary coach, and all the starters Nebraska in Lincoln and Wisconsin were going to be tough games. 

I'm not a doom and gloom kind of guy, if anything I'm usually on the more optimistic side when it comes to expectations for this team.  I just don't feel good about the O-Line, QB, the coach, or the uncertain future that lies ahead.  Maybe the NCAA is being a little harsher on these few guys, or maybe they are going to dig a little deeper now.  One thing for sure, when you are awaiting sanctions from the NCAA, it's not good for more players to take improper benefits. 

RBuck's picture

I'm not giving up. I'm just saying if this latest bullshit leads to a FTM and a bowl ban, take the ban this year and save recruiting.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

jenks's picture

Clearly the way to prevent it from happening then is to follow the lead of other schools where this "doesn't happen" and don't self-report.

Irricoir's picture

We need to do things like they do them at Alabama:

Report nothing but the most trivial antics and when the NCAA does come calling, cooperate fully. We tell all and take all punishment.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

I just don't see how it makes Ohio State better somehow because they self report when it has not discouraged the players from committing the violations.  Clearly, self reporting does no good.  Big Deal a couple of guys miss a couple of games against MAC schools.  Until they do something that actually deters kids from making these mistakes, I think it's pretty much useless anyway. 

In my opinion, if the school can't control it's kids or coach it's a lack of institutional control, whether t hey report the issues on their own of cover it up.

Baroclinicity's picture

I agree here.  We're toeing a line we don't want to be toeing.  I don't buy the "well, we're self-reporting" defense because that doesn't solve the initial problem, that these kids are doing things they know they shouldn't be doing (whether we agree with the rules that are in place or not is irrelevant).  You can only claim ignorance for so long... now we just look bad, no two ways about it.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Albert and Baroclinicity: it goes without saying that the kids should not break the rules, but why keep repeating the obvious? 

Wouldn't it be more interesting to explore the underlying questions pertaining to this case, rather than just repeat banalities?

Albert suggests that the solution to the "problem" is to heavily penalize kids for any NCAA infraction. I disagree, because - I suspect - I have a different understanding of what is the problem, but at least Albert's remedy attempts to wrestle with the real underlying issues. 

Albert's remedy to the "problem" implies that: a). the NCAA rules are just as well as fairly & consistently applied; and b). therefore, the problem is that kids have not been sufficiently discouraged from breaking these just & fair rules because the punishments were too lenient. 

Yet if item "a" is not true, then item "b" is also invalidated. Just as an example (with no intent to draw moral parallels or equivalencies), no fair-minded person would argue that the problem with sodomy in Georgia is that those who violate the anti-sodomy law have not been sufficiently discouraged from breaking that rule.

By all means, we can have a very interesting argument about the fairness of NCAA rules, but when we repeat banalities about "the rules are the rules," we're making the NCAA's (and eSECpn's) arguments for them - we're helping to promote their agendas. I don't know, maybe we should support that agenda, but please explain why instead of repeating the obvious.

btalbert25's picture

Here's my issue, whether we think the NCAA rules are fair or not, or if they are levied fairly or not is irrelevant. We are under the microscope.  Guys keep Effing up knowing all eyes are on them.  Whether it's self reported or not it's not good.  Eventually, fair or not, the NCAA is going go say enough and Ohio State is going to get drilled.

Self reporting isn't helping the situation any.  Guys are cheating, the coach cheated, and it's an institutional problem.  Banning guys from 2 games against MAC schools probably does little to deter the next guy from screwing up. 

Maybe punishing a guy with a half season ban changes things I don't know.  Probably not, but something needs to change.  The NCAA isn't going to just keep patting compliance on the back because they are doing a good job of telling the NCAA every time the program cheats the rules, whether they are fair or not, upheld the same or not, they rules aren't changing, and neither is their enforcement. 

So, in that regard, the Rules are the Rules and if you happen to be the school that is in the hot seat you have to play by those rules until the heat is off and they are after someone else.  It's not right, it's not always fair, but until someone can come up with a valid way of challenging the system or making the NCAA irrelevant, that's just the way it is.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Your view of the all-powerful NCAA is defeatist, passive, and obeisant.

If the NCAA rules are unjust and/or unfair, it is wrong to support that system out of a desire to keep the dirty shark from picking your favorite program on which to feed.

Besides, the NCAA is much more vulnerable than you imply:   

  • The NCAA rakes in lots of money from the NCAA basketball tournament, which many of the major b-ball schools resent.
  • Rumors have been circulating the last few years that the "big boys" are growing tired of losing money to free-rider programs that use politics, the NCAA, and other similar vehicles to demand ever greater "access" and parity (e.g., non-AQ access into BCS bowls); meanwhile, the elite athletic programs are usually attached to very large schools that place very large demands on their budgets . . .   
  • The NCAA rule book is beyond absurd; the NCAA is now hinting that they plan to streamline the rules, yet those same arcane rules are probably quite popular with the Iowa States, Wake Forrests, Syracuses and so forth that might be even less able to compete under a "reformed" rule book and thus might block any meaningful reform; however, if these free-riders block reform, they potentially stoke the forces of revolt.    

Keep in mind that, if large numbers of alumni affiliated with Ohio State, USC, and other schools initiated a full-scale campaign to ridicule and discredit the NCAA (and espn), it could seriously weaken the NCAA's position. 

The NCAA is a voluntary organization. It was originally created in the first decade of the 20th c. in part because kids were getting killed playing football. The universities and conferences developed and (occasionally) enforced "amateur status" rules/standards, but it was not until the 1950s that the NCAA had authority over recruiting shenanigans, etc. Throughout much of the 20th c., players at the top programs were paid under the table, anyway. But, gradually over time, the NCAA's authority (and rule book) expanded.

But what was given to the NCAA can be taken away. In the history of human civilization, institutions that were far, far more powerful and fear-inspiring than the NCAA were dismantled in short order, usually as a result of one or two "big ideas" that shifted the culture in which those institutions were operating.

Here's an idea: the NCAA has outlived its usefulness. 

Obviously, the majority of NCAA members are quite happy with the arrangement in part because of the free rider benefits mostly generated by the elite football/basketball programs; but, brotha,' no one said that the Ohio States must remain forever attached at the hips to the Iowa States.    

btalbert25's picture

I've never questioned whether the rulebook is ridiculous, if the NCAA has unhappy members, and if it's perhaps outlived its relevance.  I'm just stating that until someone actively does something to end their rein, we are stuck with their rules and how they judge programs and players. 

So, citing that they are bad and using big words and examples of how schools are unhappy really isn't any stronger of a position than saying we are stuck with their rules.  Where has anyone actually actively tried to take them down?  Is there anything right now going on that is comprimising the NCAA's power? 

Schools are growing unhappy, wow newsflash, there have been schools unhappy with the NCAA as long as there has been an NCAA.   IF alumni of huge schools would speak up it COULD weaken the NCAA.  Sure, but it's hypothetical.  Until member institutions start dropping out, and until someone actually actively does something to challenge the NCAA, they still have all the power, and we are still stuck with their rules.

I totally agree the NCAA is obsolete for FBS schools.  I agree the rulebook is ridiculous.  Show me where someone is actually doing something to comprimise their power though, because right now, I don't think anyone is.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Albert, the undermining of the NCAA starts with you and me. Ridicule them every chance you get - on blogsites, in public, at work, etc.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that the NCAA will be dismantled three weeks, or even three years, from now. If it's going to happen, it will probably take 10+ years. But let's not literally, or rhetorically, surrender to the status quo, either. 

Yes, we're stuck with their rules and ridiculous punishments for now, but we should not go quietly about it.

btalbert25's picture

Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are saying, I just don't think it does anything to help our situation now, when we have guys who seemingly refuse to follow the rules.  At this point right now, unless we just say to hell with it and live with the consequences, it does no good to be defiant as an institution.   You and I are in agreement about how ridiculous the NCAA is, but I just don't know that it would be wise for the institution to buck the system. 

In a sense, a better way to comprimise the NCAA is to do what programs in other conferences do and just not report things in the future, because it's obvious to me that self reporting is doing nothing positive for the university either, and it's certainly not encouraging players to stop taking stuff from people. .

btalbert25's picture

Also, don't you think Ohio State's handling of all this mess has been pretty much reactive to Media pressure?  I think the university has done a pretty good job of making ESPN's arguments for them and supporting their agenda.

Tressel, should've been let go immediately.  They shouldn't have allowed him to "retire" as a reaction to the Dorhman Article.

Pryor technically left on his own, the school only banned him from football activities and facilities after he left.

In my opinion, those 2 should have been officially been made an example of.  The University should've part ways with them publicly, not let them leave on their own, even if it was a wink wink "retirement"

Vacating the wins was a no brainer, but only after hearing the media folk whine about how they should forfeit the bowl money too did Ohio State decide to forfeit the bowl money too. 

I feel the university has been reactive during this whole mess and has done nothing proactively that will change the culture going forward.  In March, they should've come out and said Tressel is fired, Pryor is gone, we will vacate last season, and the bowl money will be turned over.  Then the Dorhman article never happens because there's no one to attack, there's not months of TV scrutiny, and they could've shown officially on record that Ohio State doesn't put up with this kind of BS.  Instead, they supported coach fully, only to later pin everything on him.   The powers that be, in my opinion have not done anything to deter this kind of behavior from players and coaches in the future and it's going to continue to be a problem going forward.

Baroclinicity's picture

I just simply want us (the school) to solve this problem so that we don't get sanctioned back to the stone age. Too many people use the argument that the NCAA is inconsistent and, therefore, unfair or that we are doing a great job because the compliance team is now catching these infractions.  But the bottom line is, Ohio State has to get this crap to stop.  If you pull out a weed, and don't get the root out of the ground, the weed will come back.  If I understand BTalbert25 (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), the current tactics of monitoring and compliance are not working, whether these latest mistakes were intentional or not, and we have yet to figure out a way to get this under control.  How do we fix it?  Fire the AD?  Harsher internal penalties?  I don't know, I'm not in any position to decide, nor do I have any experience with this.  But, looking in form the outside, when we have a major scandal that decimates our team and gets the coach kicked out followed up my more of the same, it's clear we *don't* have this under control.  The fact that 3 (maybe more?) players took shit they shouldn't have AFTER the Tat-5 nightmare tells us some of these players haven't learned a damn thing, and that's the most disturbing part. Then the NCAA comes in, punishes us, fair or not, and drives recruits north with the momentum shifting to Michigan.  We've been sitting here for the last 9 months patting oursleves on the back, saying the problem was some rogue players and a coach trying to defend his kids, and that it's isolated.  Well, that all goes down the drain when we report more of the same to the NCAA, let alone mere weeks after the August meeting.  We have no more excuses.  Fix the damn problem.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Baroclinicity: the NCAA rule book is a 2,000 page book of arcane, absurd rules.

It would be close to impossible for any program to effectively monitor all 100+ football players, plus all the other scholarship athletes, all of have lives outside the athlectic facilities, on a 24/7 basis, within the parameters of the NCAA's tangled web of confusing, overlapping rules.

In the last year alone, I'd wager that almost every athletic program has violated multiple NCAA rules. The only (or at least main) factor that determines whether a school gets busted is simply whether it comes to light, for whatever reason - tabloid expose, rival coach rats them out, etc.

Probably the most vulnerable schools are the football factories that are actually trying to follow the silly rules (Ohio State). Not only are they big targets, but they have even more athletes to keep track of, more boosters swirling around, etc. In contrast, the absurd NCAA enforcement system inadvertantly provides cover for the truly shady programs (much of the SEC) that have developed sophisticated means of "staying clean."

Actually, you could make a strong case that, using Albert's and Baroclinicity's standards - that the primary goal is simply to keep the NCAA at bay - that Ohio State should abandon all pretense at following the rules and go into Auburn mode, except being even better at covering their own tracks than Auburn.     

btalbert25's picture

See here's my problem though.  We aren't dealing with some obscure rule that players don't understand the meaning of.  Players sold their personal property for money, it was an improper benefit.  The same players are lectured on what they can and can't do routinely.  We've had a player in the past take cash from someone and it was deemed improper.  A whole shitstorm of coverage has come about involving improper benefits. Are you doing to tell me because rules are arcane and the rule book is 2,000 pages long, the kids simply didn't know they weren't allowed to accept CASH?  I'm not sure that's what you are implying here, but this was not simply they took a steak dinner it was cash that was handed too them.  I'm pretty sure that's not an arcane rule that players are simply incapable of understanding.  I would think, in fact, that is probably the one rule that every college athlete knows.  If some dude is handing you 200 dollars or 300 bucks whatever it is, it's probably against the rules.

This is the problem.  These guys haven't been breaking obscure rules.  Troy took money from a booster, God only knows what Clarrett did, the Tat 5 sold memorabilia, and these guys took cash from a former player.  All the players involved knew there were breaking rules, and if they didn't the probably aren't smart enough to be in college to begin with.  If this were over goody bags, a slice of pie at a picnic, or a round of golf it would be one thing, but it's money and cash and you know from the moment they get to school they are lectured non stop about how you just can't do that.  You may not agree with the fact the guys can't sell their stuff, or that some random guy can't give them 500 dollars, but in each case, all of these guys knew they were breaking a rule.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Here you make an excellent point, and I should have been clearer: some of the rules are arcane, some are more straightforward; for the most part, players would not be expected to understand and/or remember many of the rules, especially not the more arcane ones, but certainly they are expected to know they cannot take cash, gifts. However, the compliance department is expected to oversee ALL of the rules for 1,000 some athletes, which is where the hyper-complexity comes in - sorry, that's what I meant. 

I haven't seen any envidence in the cases you cited above of systemic institutional negligence, except for JT's - and he was let go and we self-imposed numerous punishments, etc. I'd venture to say that Ohio State's compliance dept. was already, relatively speaking, the Cadillac of complicance offices, even before Tatgate. But occasionally shit happens and they cannot micromanage all of it.

Moreover, if anything, your examples are evidence in favor of the proposition that Ohio State FB players are not getting paid in the sense of the good ol' 1970s, cash-in-the-envelope days.   

Baroclinicity's picture

I understand that the compliance department cannot be there every second of the day to watch over everything and everyone.  My problem is that our players keep making the same obvious bad choices.  And I don't want to hear anything about them being just kids.  They're adults... they know right from wrong in these very obvious situations.  When you are young, it is easy to get complacent.  You go through a period of time where you can get away with some of this stuff, nothing bad happens, so you take a little more, and then you get caught.  I can't fathom what made these guys think it was ok to take money when we are in the crosshairs of an investigation.  Where is the common sense?  And if the babysitters can't watch over them every second, where are the leaders on this team to police their own?

I have to deal with the same thing.  In my line of work, I cannot accept any gifts/handouts if they total more than like $15 or $20.  The local minor league baseball team came into my place of work with all kinds of free shirts/hats/tickets/other misc. baseball stuff for the work we do for them.  But we can't take any of it... had to turn them away.  Some have tried to bring us pizza/other food on holidays.  Can't take it.  I can lose my job by doing that.  It sucks to say no, but I do it.

I did my share of largely benign, yet still stupid shit in college.  But when there were punishments/ramifications from those actions, I wasn't out there repeating the same mistakes the next weekend.  Common sense.

Maybe I expect too much.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Seth4Bucks's picture

A little off topic here from most of the comments. But I am in the Army and just got back from a week of field problems. Does anyone know where I can go to watch the game against Toledo? I know it was awful based on all the comments I've read and the analysis. But dang it is still Buckeye football and I don't like missing games.

 

O - H

Bucks's picture

Seth,

WB, and as I scan right now:

Tomorrow morning (Tues @ 3am), a replay is listed on the BTN (Ch. 58 Time Warner).

Thursday @ 3pm, BTN as well.

 

Didn't see any other listings. Hope this helps in some way.

 

Edit: I-O

sharkvsghost's picture

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that Gene Smith still has a job?

swing hard in case you hit it.

RBuck's picture

Originally I wasn't on the fire Smith bandwagon; is there still room on it?

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Bucks43201's picture

If Gene Smith was white --- would he still be the A.D. at OSU?

Fair question.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

btalbert25's picture

That is not really a fair question at all.  Before this mess, he's been regarded as one of the best AD's in the nation. 

Bucks43201's picture

ok, but the key part of that is by who...who regarded him as "one of the best AD's in the nation"

consider the source on that one.

He's inept.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

Bucks's picture

I think Gene has earned the respect and place in intercollegiate athletics he has, not had it handed to him on the basis of skin color.

If you believe he has been AD at four different universities, become the chairman of the NCAA BBall committee, been involved with the COI & other misc entities ... out of being black, I have no clue what to say to you.

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It isn't like every AD gets into these types of situations. That also doesn't give him a free pass. We as spectators to what is unfolding, have absolutely no clue how good or bad a job he is doing. What I do know for sure is, he isn't retaining his job out of minority status.

If it comes to pass that he has to go, so be it.

Seth4Bucks's picture

He was pretty good at bringing in Tressel and Matta . . . which is a lot of why he was considered one of the best. It's not that often that you have top 5 coaches in both CFB and CBB. Besides some of our other non revenue sports aren't doing too shabby either . .  .

Granted this mess has me rethinking how I feel about Smith.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

This is a fair question. I purposely tuned out all the "scandal" news over the last 6+ months, so I don't know how much of G Smith's record is public, etc. 

Based on my very limited perception of things, though, GS appears to be a disastrous AD, although appearances can be deceiving. Even if we're being generous, we might conclude that GS has mishandled several important matters; worst case scenario, though - which I am still far from believing - is that GS is what . . . (a borderline conman)?

One problem, though, is that firing GS at this point would look like a tacit admission of institutional wrongdoing, which I don't believe happened. At the higher instutional levels, Ohio State is probably guilty of a certain degree of incompetence, but not negligence. 

jenks's picture

I think you've got the key here... Things only look disasterous from an PR perspective. Thankfully the NCAA doesn't care about PR and Smith may turn out to be the perfect AD for this situation given his history with these guys. If some fat 40 year old fan of Wisconsin thinks we're slimy, so be it, he never liked the school anyway. As long as recruiting isn't affected much, and it won't be without scholarship reductions or bowl bans, and a steady coach (transition), then it'll be okay.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Good point about Smith maybe turning out to be the perfect AD for this situation. Without getting myself into trouble, the factor (which shall not be named) that perhaps insulates GS a bit against losing his job at Ohio State might also provide the university with some insulation against the NCAA? One can hope.

Otherwise, GS could hint at some allegations of his own . . .

O-H Kee Pa's picture

This is way too vague Fido to not clarify. It sounds like you know something.

Scott K's picture

Indonesia dude, not India. (dogs eat owner)

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Bucksfan's picture

I have a bad feeling that the compliance office OK'd players going to that charity event in the past, and those players took cash while there.

Jugdish's picture

I agree with you about getting permission to attend. I also agree that the players are told that they can get reimbursed for their expenses. I don't know if any of this is true, but it would seem to make sense because why would anyone spend their own money on such trips.

There seems to be more to this story than what is coming from Smith. OSU is in a deep hole and it will take some time to get us back to respectable again. It lays all the burden on Fick and his coaches to keep our fball program as a top 10 team. Recruiting will suffer in the short term.

Remember to get your wolverine spade or neutered. TBDBITL

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

After we went down 15-7 against Toledo, Bauserman passed the ball 23 times. Whatever happened to "Keep calm, run Dave"?

Just a bad game all around.

The_Lurker's picture

It's hard to run Dave against 8 in the box selling out against the run, especially against a decent and disciplined team. Play calling was exceedingly vanilla. Hopefully it means the coaches are holding stuff back for the tougher opponents.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Looks like OK/OKST to PAC:

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1263940

Bad move, in my opinion, whether their idea or because they got spurned by the B1G.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Academically, the Pac 14 is becoming increasingly bottom heavy.

I also still wonder about the viability of the Pac 14 t.v. network, the money from which will now have to be divided up 14 ways. As we all know, the BT Network had an epic struggle with the cable companies. I could see an even tougher battle in markets like Los Angeles, San Diego, SF/Oakland/SJ, Portland, Pheonix, Denver.

Still, I'd rather Oklahoma go to the Pac 14 than go full-time eSECpn. Yes, espn is a partner in the network, like it is a partner in the BT Network, but in a weaker position. Given the Rose Bowl relationship, the BT and Pac 14 could serve as a bulwark against espn-ization of CFB.

As for the BT, unless the addition of 2 or 4 new schools will increase the per school  t.v. money, I see no benefit to 14 or 16 team conferences and a lot of drawbacks. And now that Texas has done their thing, what other school would add net value to the conference?   

jenks's picture

As for the BT, unless the addition of 2 or 4 new schools will increase the per school  t.v. money, I see no benefit to 14 or 16 team conferences and a lot of drawbacks. And now that Texas has done their thing, what other school would add net value to the conference?

Precisely. I see this mega conference thing backfiring financially for that reason. Not to mention, as far as scheduling goes, a 16 team conference has to have 2 divisions of 8 teams each. You play the teams in your division, a few from the other and some non conference foes. Couple the practical scheduling difficulties with the financial difficulties and you have the old big east (for foosball), SWC, big 8, etc. Watch them split back to 8, then go up to 12... part of the ebb and flow...

Tommy's picture

"We do have to provide some more information to the NCAA. We'll start that process tomorrow."

Am I the only one that read this on Saturday and thought to myself, "Tomorrow?  Tomorrow?  How bout you get that worthless compliance office on that shit RIGHT NOW and work through the night until its done.

Perhaps it would have made no difference, but if there was even a sliver of a chance that they could have sped up the process, that's what they should have been doing.

I am sick and tired of hearing about a compliance office that are experts about reporting everything after the fact.  If we need to double the size of the office in order to make a difference on the preventative side of things, then double the size of the freaking the office.  Put our huge monetary advantage to good use.

If we are given a bowl ban, the announcement of Smith's firing better come at the same time.