Wednesday Skull Session

By Chris Lauderback on June 15, 2011 at 6:00a
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TP & Rosenhaus: Bosom buddies

Good morning, press conference junkies, and welcome to your hump day skull session.

A day after we were formally introduced to head coach Luke Fickell, it was Terrelle Pryor's turn to take the stage flanked by super agent Drew Rosenhaus. Talk about one extreme to the other from an emotional standpoint.

While Fickell engaged the audience with a heartfelt (and admittedly senatorial) speech about what it means to be a Buckeye during 30+ minutes of unabashed Ohio State love, Pryor could only muster a 97 second helping of too little, too late.

I don't think there's any question Pryor feels bad for what's left in his wake especially when it comes to Tressel but it's hard to swallow the youth excuse or feel too much compassion because we're not talking about one or two stupid mistakes. Instead, we're talking about what appears to be a pattern of bad decisions over a significant period of time. I sincerely do wish him the best, just as I did Clarett, but I can't bring myself to feel as sorry for him as some of you.

In any event, the good news remains that he's shown no interest in talking to the NCAA and he's no longer in a position to divide the locker room or undermine the efforts of a new coach to focus on the future.

Speaking Of The New Coach. Fickell raised some eyebrows during his introductory presser when he stated, "the situation just didn't work out that we had the chance to sit down and talk" after saying Pryor attempted to call him the week before annnouncing his decision to leave Ohio State.

Graham Watson at Dr. Saturday went as far as to imply Fickell's snub might have pushed Pryor out the door and cited a Plain Dealer poll in which a large section of fans agreed Fickell's "decision to ignore Pryor was a necessary step to distance the university from the scandal."

I won't argue "snubbing" Pryor was indeed the right move but am I the only one who thinks this was likely not even Fickell's decision to make? With Ohio State attempting to be very calculated with their decisions following the bungling of things through March, I don't believe Fickell had sole authority to talk to Pryor during that particular week in time.

The NCAA had stopped by and if you believe even a bit of what we've been saying since May 30th, the decision was made one way or another that Pryor would never again suit up for the Buckeyes. Assuming that's true, I think it's safe to say Fickell was totally on board with the decision so he willingly followed orders from above to rebuff any olive branches from Pryor.

Boom Posing As The Anti-Pryor. In light of the onslaught of allegations making us all a little gun shy, I'm a bit reluctant to totally buy what Boom is selling but man do I want to. In a brief discussion with the Warren Tribune Chronicle, Boom comes off as a guy accepting accountability for his actions while following Fickell's edict of focusing on the future. 

Assuming he was truly only guilty of what he's been punished for, I am willingly and totally behind the kid especially after reading some of his comments. Helping out at the 16th annual Nick Frankos Mims-Manoa Football Camp at Mollenkopf Stadium in Warren, Boom spoke about dealing with his suspension:

"You get better from it. You live and learn from the mistakes you make when you're a younger child. No one is perfect in this world. I've learned from the mistakes I've made. Those five weeks I'll be out, I'll just be getting better and trying to lead my team the best way I can, on and off the field. That's all I can do."

That sounds like a kid accepting responsibility for his actions. As expected, Boom also spoke highly of Tressel:

"Coach Tressel is still a great person to me. He's been a great person to me. I still love him and I still respect him. Nothing has changed the way I think of the great man he is. He's still a great man to me. He's been a mentor to me and he's done great things for me. I still support him and I'll still back him in everything he does."

I don't know about all of you but I'm pulling for Boom to rebound from all this even moreso than rest of the guys involved. I just feel like he's shown the most genuine contrition and proven himself to be a sincerely dedicated player on the field as evidenced by his breakout 2010 campaign.

50 Old White Guys Walk Into A Bar. In case you missed it, NCAA prez Mark Emmert announced plans for a two day summit in which roughly 50 school presidents/chancellors will meet to discuss the future of D-1 sports.

Emmert notes two key topics for discussion will be how to maintain amateurism and and the "integrity of the collegiate model", specifically analyzing the strength of the current investigative umbrella and how to potentially rework the penalty structure so that it can be more easily understood and applied.

With those topics reportedly set to garner major attention, former NCAA investigator and current president of The Compliance Group, Chuck Smrt, took a different slant when speaking at the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics earlier this week:

"I think the biggest hot button issues in compliance today are always the booster groups, academic fraud, and recruiting services. Those are the top ones out there and they are the most significant."

Smrt, whose company is helping OSU through their mess,  also spoke of players selling autographs and memorabilia:

"My guess is there will be more scrutiny in that area, whether there will be more violations, I don't know, but there will be more scrutiny because again it has people's attention.

Even with the increased attention thanks to the Tat5, Smrt still believes boosters, academic fraud and the growth of recruiting services are much more concerning.

Whatever You Do, Don't Learn Anything. You'd think kids would take a moment to stop and analyze their behavior in the aftermath of what's gone down in Columbus but college football players doing stupid things is as certain as death, taxes and Real Housewives reruns on Bravo.

How about Oregon CB/PR Cliff Harris? Dude was pulled over driving 118mph at 4:30am in a car that was rented by a school employee. Harris was driving on a suspended license at the time. Interestingly, the employee says she can prove via bank statement that Harris didn't receive an illegal benefit because he gave her $300 to borrow the vehicle.

Meanwhile, down in the sunshine state, Florida Atlantic CB Cortez Ash was busted for stealing 400 lbs of copper wire from a business at 3:15am in the morning only to return later that day and attempt to sell the stolen property to the very same business. Yes, you read that right.

The owner quickly recognized Ash and his cohort from surveillance video of the robbery and called the cops. For his efforts, Ash and his buddy are now facing burglary of a business, third-degree grand theft and dealing in stolen property charges.

Mixtape. Bookmark this to keep track of athlete arrests...Anchower had bed bugs (NSFW)...Repost!...Target is racist?!

 

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doodah_man's picture

Uh...I'm really sorry for the mess...ok, we're square now...right?

Jim "DooDah" Day
It is hard to play dirty against a man who picks you up.

Boxley's picture

The whole press conference was not about apologizing, it was about publicising Pryor. what a piece of ............ Whatever goodbye.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

TLB's picture

Is it possible the NCAA realizes they have a systemic problem on their hands?

BED's picture

Never.

"I WANT CHIP KELLY'S HEAD!!!!!" - someone in the media?...oh, wait, that's not going to happen.

Viva la Tressel.

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3 Fast 3 Furious's picture

So Chuck really has no vowels in his last name? 

Interesting.

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How do you feel about Target's new line of office supplies sir?

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Sgt. Elias's picture

Good on Boom, always liked the kid and he appears to be taking this on the chin like a man.  He's going to come out his suspension hungry, opposing team LB's beware. 

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Chris Lauderback's picture

Agreed. I expect he'll play like his hair is on fire with both an eye on earning redemption in the minds of buckeye fans and trying to show NFL scouts that he can play at the next level.

GoBucks713's picture

Maybe Boom can find the f@ckstick that broke into my car last night, and him and his boy Adams can pound the dbag into submission. That would be redemption for them in my mind.

-The Aristocrats!

Maestro's picture

Anybody else wonder if Posey or Adams might be getting a bit trigger happy about entering the Supp. draft?  I just can't wait to have that thing behind us.

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BuckeyeSki's picture

I've def. wondered if any of the other players will jump ship or not, but to be honest, I think both Posey and Adams NEED another year under their belts. Posey, albeit a great receiver, is pretty scrawny still and needs to bulk up some before he starts taking hits in the NFL. Adams is a bit further along, but still needs to show he can be a force at LT on every down.

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Chris Lauderback's picture

I certainly have no inside scoop but I don't see either one trying to get out of the promise to Tressel. I hear you on Posey's body-type and the fact he loves to drop passes is another huge concern that could be alleviated with a half season of proving he's cured.

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Chris Lauderback's picture

that's a better way to put it

Irricoir's picture

Adams maybe. He projects high. Posey negative. He has shown enough consistancy to earn good money. He would be drafted at scrub pay, which is good pay to me. Posey appeared to be one of the most sincere when he apologized after this first broke out. Adams and Pryor not so much, according to their body language. It wasn't what they said but the way they said it.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Maestro's picture

Thanks for the responses.

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Irricoir's picture

Mr. Pryor,

No more apologies are desired from you. It is like listening to the same track over and over again. Buckeye nation (for the most part) are ready to move on and forget about you. You will serve as a cautionary tale and that is how you will be remembered. If you are truly remorseful then do this; conduct yourself as a positive representative of our University (I know it is a new concept) and live your life as if you are being watched at all times. In reality you are and need to live as such. You wanted fame and attention and now you are living with the negatives of such a life. I know better than most, exactly what you are going through but not to the extent of what you endure. Stop talking about remorse because over the course of three years I have become very skeptical and wonder if you even know what it means. Actions speak louder than words. It is one of the most over used phrases but also one of absolute truth. Prove to us that you are remorseful by doing right and living the way you should. Follow the rules, follow the laws and maybe someday as you achieve your potential greatness, Buckeyes will overlook the man you were for the man you become.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

I think Pryor gets accused of being insincere because of his tone.  But happy, sad, mad, or indifferent he always sounds the same.  Win the Rose and Sugar bowl, Pryor sounded exactly the same as he did yesterday in his presser.  I thought, especially about Tressel, he was sincere.  To me it sounded like he was getting choked up.  He paused for a couple of seconds to keep his composure. 

You can say sorry and mean it, and still make mistakes afterward.  He had nothing to gain or lose by making the apology in terms of the Supplemental Draft.  Making that statement or not, wasn't going to change the opinions of teams who may be interested in him. 

I wish the kid well.  I'm glad he's gone so we can move past this crap, but I appreciated watching him play as well.  He's not going to be a great NFL QB I'm sure of that, but maybe he'll end up having a few electric plays that people can always say wow.  I have a feeling though, if he does end up in the NFL and tears it up, people will be more than happy to say,  That's a Buckeye out there.  Just the fickle nature of fans. 

Irricoir's picture

I agree more or less with most if this and ultimately agree whole heartedly with the fan assessment. I wish the best for him and for him to be the anti Santonio Holmes, as far as legal troubles and on/off field antics. (On field performance is fine) I will still have the same opinion of him at the next level as I do right now, as far as how he conducted himself at school, but I would love to be able to say, "Look at the way he has grown and matured, and in some way I will try to rationalize his growth as being part of the tutelage of JT." Fair or not fair, I hope that something good comes out of his time in Columbus and I don't just mean bargain prices on automobiles (speculation) and a fat paycheck at the next level. The guy needs help more now than ever. He is going to be expected to act like a man and be held accountable for his actions. On top of that, he'll at minimal be making hundreds of thousands of dollars with no guidance on budget, savings, and responsibility. Maybe he has these things but it appeared as if he was lacking by all reports. I wasn't sitting beside him everyday for the last 3 years so I can't say that i know this to be fact. He really needs to talk to James L. and sort his lifestyle out with him. I wish I had the link but he is sitting pretty and living a pleasant and humble life, and has plenty saved up for this emergency lock out thing going on now in the NFL. This may be it: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/12/james-laurinaitis-considers-the-family-business/

I am not a Pryor apologist. He has screwed up way too many times in my mind. I still wish the best for a Buckeye.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Maestro's picture

I think this is the shame of the situation.  He needs the structure that Ohio State football provided for him in my estimation.  I think that is why he is talking to JT so much on the phone right now.  JT knows that TP could head down the wrong path and wants him to stay on the straight and narrow.  Time will tell.

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bstadnik's picture

Quick question for everyone....why is Posey not getting more heat? He was the other name in the original email along with TP, named in the SI article, bought a car from Kiffin and also was on the golf course with Talbot. I understand that TP has said some dumb things in the past, but Posey seems to be skating on this whole issue. He seems to have been TP's running mate whenever somebody was handing out something. I guess it just shows you that when you're in a hole, stop digging. Posey has mostly kept his mouth shut since Tat-gate and kept a low profile...maybe TP should have done the same.

But at the end of the day, DP seems to have been running in the same circles as TP was yet nobody seems pissed at him. I haven't heard Boom or Adams names mentioned in other cases either, just Devier's. And if you remember it was Devier's mom who spoke out when Tat-gate broke. I'm not trying to deflect criticism from TP, just saying....

Brian

Go Bucks!

btalbert25's picture

TP's been a favorite whipping boy since he got to Ohio State that's why.  First, it was he didn't play well enough or meet unrealistic expectations.  Then it was that he didn't speak well on camera.  Then he was cocky.  Then despite leading his team to an incredible record and winning 2 BCS bowls, he somehow wasn't a leader. 

To be sure the guy has screwed up monumentally, but he's everyone favorite guy to beat up on.  I would think Adams would be a more common target has he has squandered his talent even more than TP and he's been doghoused more than 1 time over Marijuanna use.  People are willing to forgive him, posey, and Boom for some reason though.

Truth be told, I'm not sure why more people aren't irrate towards Jim Tressel.  His lies are what caused all these invesitgations to begin with.

Irricoir's picture

I can't speak for the rest of the fans but I have never seen anything other than progression for his physical development. I did not have unrealistic expectations of him. My expectations of him were not anymore significant than any other recruit. Come in, work hard, keep your mouth shut, eyes and ears open and become a sponge. Did I think he had more potential than the average recruit? Well hell yeah, we all did. I did not expect these things though. Did I groan during some of the growing pains. Sure did but only once did I privately demand for another QB to get a chance, that was the Purdue game.

All recruits need to understand that while wearing the uniform and not wearing the uniform they are under the same scrutiny. They are viewed as Ohio State Football players first and foremost. This acceptance that the university is bigger than you are, should be held as a lofty reminder that I am a future tabloid/blog article waiting to happen. This should be realized by all. It was discounted by Pryor and his mouth. Freedom of speech you say? Just because you can say it, doesn't mean it needs to be said. I didn't disagree with his Herbie comments and found them humorous but it wasn't his place as a leader to say that.

The reason Pryor is getting piled on is two fold. First, a QB is the ultimate leader and central piece of any and every team. The only person that touches the ball more than him is the center and the ref that spots the ball. The QB is a general and through the QB most teams are judged. Some have stellar defenses that carry the team forward but the QB position is of extreme importance. He is expected to lead this team both on and off the field. Yeah, he can be shit off the field and still perform admirably on it but like Fickell has been preaching and most others agree with, you go further when your teammates gel and you become as one. I don't think Pryor had that in him. We have had this conversation before but I really feel your stance in in the minority.

Second, is a pattern of disappointment. You may find his comments to be his god given right to speech but that also puts you in the minority. I can't go to work and say whatever I want about my boss or his leadership, well I can, but then he doesn't have to keep me employed either. There are things that can be said but don't need to be. There have been questionable decisions aplenty. I concede that he hasn't broken any law that violates another's peace or victimizes another but should he get props for that? No he shouldn't, even as bad as sports figures have been portrayed nowadays, there should always be the expectation that they act like every other decent human being out there. He did break at least one criminal law but no one mentions that because he was not arrested although the evidence is clear as day. (Driving on Suspended: unless there is some stipulation given to him that I don't know about)

What I am talking about is a continued pattern of disregard for rules and laws. Mike Adams should bare a heavy burden for his discretion too. He was in the dog house as often as Dorian Bell but not quite to the extent that Ray Small was. Should he continue down that path I am sure that Buckeye fans will ignite on that fuse. Several others have had issues. Rob Rose, even Nathan Williams had the shop lifting charge. When the story involving Klein and Williams and the alleged assault broke last July/Aug I was ready to turn on him but I wanted to wait for clarification. When no charges came forward I tempered my response. It is all about how you represent the University and the light you cast on it that evokes reaction from the fans. I can forgive a single transgression. I might forgive a second if it was an understandable screw up. I can't be told sorry over and over again like a child and expect everything to be okay.

Jim Tressel has caused us a lot of harm in his ginormous mistake. There is no denying this but I think there is more to come, one way or the other, in the near future. I can't see that he didn't tell Smith. He is still wrong even if he is covering for someone else. The only thing is that this, to my knowledge, is the only major infraction that he has committed. He screwed up. In ten years he made one major mistake. he doesn't get the chance to rebound from it. Terrelle Pryor made multiple questionable judgment calls, and one, if not a few major infractions in THREE years. That is why my focus is so intent upon him. I am weighing the scales of service for both men and I see one tipping much further in one direction than the other.

 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

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btalbert25's picture

I'm not saying to applaud Pryor for his ability to stay out of legal trouble, I'm simply pointing out that he's not the blight on society that some people make him out to be.  As for things he said, well he never came out and trashed his superiors, he simply made comments about how good he thought he and his team were.  Then he called out 1 guy who openly criticized the team all the time.  We may not like it, but there was nothing divisive with what he said.  He said Ohio State was better than Wisconsin, I think we can agree with that.  He said he would dominately if he was in Cam Newton's offense, ok.  He said what everyone else always says about Herbie.  He never called out team mates and coaches in the media never.  So, modesty was a problem, and that's the root of why most people don't like Pryor.  Most of the dislike for him came much earlier than the Tat5 stuff came out.  Ohio likes their celebrities to be conservative and modest, that's one of the reasons Tressel was a rock star in Ohio.

This was Tressel's first major infraction in 10 years because this is the first one that he got caught when he said, "I have no idea what you are talking about"  In years past when he was able to deny, he didn't have an email trail the could trace back to him.  I'm sure this wasn't the first time he's lied to the NCAA, it's just the first time he got caught.  There's another coach in college sports who has been a great ambassador to whatever university he's coached at.  He's done great things in the community, is a motivator, and comes off like a politician.  Like Tressel his programs are always in hot water for a player's misconduct, and he always says the same thing, I had no idea that was going on.  That man is John Calipari.  People may think I'm crazy for comparing the two, but they really aren't so much different. 

Denny's picture

'Ohio likes their celebrities to be conservative and modest, that's one of the reasons Tressel was a rock star in Ohio.'

Ah, so this explains all that 'country music' shit.

Taquitos.

Irricoir's picture

This so easy it is just like high school.

Penn State is too country.

We are better than Wisconsin 9/10 games, after getting mauled by them.

Everybody steals/kills robs from me...

Supporting Vick on a team that has nothing to do with him, regardless of his personal feelings, he should be representing the teams feelings and there just wasn't any correlation. It only served as a distraction.

I paid for all of my Tattoos.

Pick a Herbie comment.

Put me in their offense and I'd rule.

Did I miss anything? A leader is a direct representative for what a group believe in. When you look at any collective organization or group of men, the leader or chosen representative is the one that best symbolizes the views and the stance of that group. I just couldn't support and didn't support this guy as the captain of the team. For everyone stating that i have no cause, I submit this reasoning. I wouldn't say that everyone that says what they want to, actually does what they want to do regardless of limitations. Though, I would think they have a higher propensity for such acts. Lets move past that and state the obvious; he felt no boundaries as it pertained to rules that he received several classes on.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

William's picture

This is so easy.

State College IS country..

They would have beat Wisconsin 9/10 games.

It was eye black, he can put what he wants there for Christ's sake. But no one will mention that the other half said Mika, as in reference to his sister.

Umm he did pay for all his tattoos.

Herbie is a tool and anything Pryor said to him was deserved.

Put Pryor in a zone-read, and he wouldn't produce better? Of course he would.

Not making excuses for him, but you need to cut down on the haterade.

Also Pryor wasn't a terrible leader, he won games, brought teammates together on the field, and always commented about them in post game interviews, he always thanked the seniors too. 

Kyle's picture

After finally watching the Fickell interview on BTN I propose that from here on he be referred to as "Crazy Eyes Killah."  I can't imagine getting an ass chewing while he stares at you with those eyes that look like they could melt steel.  Yes I am your caucasian.

Scott K's picture

[Ed: We moved this comment about non-conference schedules to the forum. As we grow, we're trying to encourage readers to place more of the off-topic stuff (at least related to the story at hand) in the forum.]

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Take your comment to the back of the bus!

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Scott K's picture

Ok, thought that comment was kind of the 'mixed tape' variety, especially since this is a SKull Session post/thread and there are a few topics discussed. Whatever, dully noted.

Buckeyeski, you can take your place at the back of the short (north) bus... ;-)

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

not cool man..

 

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Scott K's picture

...on a short leash?

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

nah, he's jsut a normal blak lab. smart and retarded all at once. i think labs use their smarts to do retarded things actually.

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