Pryor's Ohio State Career Said to be Over

By Jason Priestas on May 30, 2011 at 5:37p
111 Comments

The Dispatch has confirmed that Ohio State and the NCAA have launched an entirely new investigation centered around quarterback Terrelle Pryor.

Calling the investigation "significant", the paper said it was focused on cars and extra benefits Pryor may have received during his time in Columbus.

It doesn't take a genius to draw the line between George Dohrmann's upcoming SI piece -- thought to be published around 8pm ET tonight -- and the Tressel resignation to this latest bit of Memorial Day fun. In all likelihood, Dohrmann's report shed new light on the entire situation, leading to where we now find ourselves.

And while the latest Dispatch report was short on specifics, Brutus has been right about this every step of the way. Just to be safe, we followed up with a second, well-placed source and they confirmed the news of Pryor's playing days being over and said "there could be much more."

Buckle-up.

UPDATE: The SI cover is out (via @BryanDFischer).

Ouch

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AJ's picture

are people still going to defend pryor now?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

William's picture

Used to defend Pryor because he won, and his previously known violations seemed tame and ridiculous as in the sold memorabilia, but if he drives this program into the ground, he can get the f*ck out of Columbus now. Used to back him, but that will happen no more.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Me and you can look stupid for our defenses of Pryor together, Will.

William's picture

Yeah Jake, our defenses seem quite stupid now. Apparently Pryor just showed up at the WHAC with new Nissan 350z with temporary tags; just when you think Pryor would get it, he doesn't. Needs to get out of Columbus now before he is chased out by a mob with pitchforks.

Irricoir's picture

I typed this up about 4 days ago but thought I would sit on it. the time is now, it appears.

 

Many months ago, about the time Pryor and Herbstriet started bickering, I told the 11W readers that Pryor was a great talent on the field but he was not what we needed to represent our team and not the person that we needed to lead by example. I got nasty replies from a great number of people defending him stating he has done nothing wrong and that i should support him. "Who cares what he says as long as he wins football games and doesn't steal from me and steal from you....." If this plays out the way Brutus has foretold, I wonder if I will get a few PM's stating apology from a few of the posters on here? Yeah, I didn't think so. This is proof that a leader’s character is equally as important as his ability when it comes to leading the football team. I know that he is not the sole problem on this team and those problems branch even beyond the players themselves. He is the figure head on this team so he gets the majority of the attention.
The one thing I didn't talk about was Jim Tressel. The man can recover from almost anything in my eyes due to the positive things that exude from him. IF and I mean a very big IF Pryor was paid for and Tressel knew about it, that is something I could not respect. A lie was a poor choice. To continue to lie was a poor choice. To do something so egregious and SEC like is the breaking point.
 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

BuckeyeChief's picture

I think I backed you on the leadership issues, but backed him playing, so I apologize as well.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

JakeBuckeye's picture

I don't recall, but I'll apologize anyways simply because I know I've defended far too many times. I see why he considers LeBron a friend.

buckeyedude's picture

Well, don't forget Pryor also said, I think, he "admired" Michael Vick. It seems that Terrelle Pryor has turned out to be Maurice Clarrett on steroids, in regards to character. Also, I remember when MoC was released from prison recently here in Toledo, and it seemed that I was the only person on 11W that was skeptical of him and his 'recovery.' I took a verbal beating for that one.  He, MoC, recently gave a speech at a church here in Toledo(God knows what it was about).

 

 

Irricoir's picture

Thanks gents. After reading it, I don't think an apology is really what I was looking for. I just want folks to put value in things other than athletic talent. I agree that TP was our best option and that there was no concrete reason to take him out of that position (Or was there?). I could just tell from his comments and mannerisms that this was distinct possibility. Thats the big difference I see between TP and Miller. Miller is good and he knows it, but he doesnt expect everyone to tell him everyday, how good he is. From the beginning, TP's signing demonstrated his entitlement.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

NeARBuckeye's picture

I don't normally follow twitter, but Jardy said Pryor just showed up in a new 350z with temp tags. It's really getting hard to defend him.

Matt's picture

Welp, I know someone who will be sporting a lot of awkward Buckeye-related tatoos for the rest of his life...but at least he didn't pay full price like some sucker for that lifelong reminder of what might have been.

btalbert25's picture

I'll be the first one to say, I've defended Terrelle Pryor all along, but I'm officially done with that now.  Most of my defense for him was about his mouth.  I just didn't think it was a big deal.  Finding out what may be coming tonight, made me say, "Damn, I wish he would've went to Michigan."  Sounds like we may get more than just last season vacated, and there's no doubt in my mind there will be a bowl ban and loss of scholarships. 

Remember back in December when all this shit broke we just didn't think it would be that big of a deal?  Man o man were we wrong. 

Irricoir's picture

I wasn't Bt. I remember us having multiple conversations about it. Wish I had been though.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I'm with you, BT. I've been a big defender of Pryor. Hell, even after tat-gate. It just gets to a point where you can't defend him anymore.

Denny's picture

Same. I still don't think that doing stupid selfish things and loving the university are mutually exclusive. I find that people chest-thumping about being 'right' about Pryor all along are fairly miserable people, because the 'evidence' they put forth as truth is evidence that is condemning the team and university that they supposedly care so much about. I think that we still don't know everything (and it's going to be a horrible, horrible read finding out the truth), but at this point Pryor is beyond defending.

Has he (pre-allegedly) fucked up terribly? Most certainly. Is he a terrible person who did everything to defame the university? Probably not. As a steward for the university, indefensible. But it's awfully easy to sit behind a keyboard and condemn a kid who did things that we 1) know not what they were and 2) know not why he did them.

Taquitos.

Irricoir's picture

*Thump Thump* excuse me while I adjust. I was right about Pryor and not happy about it. I stated that he shouldn't be our quarterback back then because of his character and leadership abilities. if you want to research it look back to the articles surrounding the period of last years team captains. It isn't that anyone wants to be right about something that could damn our school, but it is more about 4-5 guys talking down to you, as if you don't know what the flip your talking about, and properly informing them that your reasoning and judgment were sound. It is a little vindicating.

He isn't a kid he is a full grown man. He flipping 6' 6" hold him responsible along with everyone else. I don't know all the wrongs he committed but I know exactly what character he has demonstrated in all of his time at tOSU. He tries to say the right things and even I offered up full pardons after beating Arkansas and listening to him at the podium, but he doesn't practice what he speaks. My appraisal isn't based on unknown actions.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

Yeah, but you didn't like Pryor because of his mouth.  You are admittedly pretty conservative and don't like when someone runs their mouth a little.  You always talk about leadership characteristics and I have to wonder which player did you see as a leader?  The guy who took money from a booster, got into trouble for handing a stripper some fake currency, and has rumors surrounding him that he was banging a team mates girlfriend?  Maurice Clarett was a leader on the field as well.  Replace Craig Krenzel, the team may still go undefeated.  Take Clarrett off the 2002 team they may not even be in a BCS bowl.

Perhaps it's the mega conservative coach with the "awww shucks" attitude who quotes the bible and writes books about being a winner.  He always said and appeared to do everything correctly.  He was easy to admire.  Then at the end of the day, when he's faced with the opportunity to follow every piece of advice he's given, when he has the chance to prove he is the man we all thought he was, he turns out being a hypocrite.  What kind of leader was he? He's the one to blame in all of this.  Don't get me wrong, I was certainly wrong about Pryor.  However, all Pryor could've cost us was a starting QB last year.  Jim Tressel, the football program's leader, is the one who let us all down. 

Irricoir's picture

It isn't just his mouth BT and I am conservative. Look at his actions. They are detrimental to the team. They were detrimental to his coach. Granted, JT did this to himself with a cover up but he was put into the position due to the selfish actions of at least 6 current players. James Lauranitis appeared a leader and so did Malcom Jenkins. Beanie Wells seemed to be a leader. Yeah, they didn't leave the University winning BCS bowl games like Pryor has but they will be loved and cherished for their contributions to our team. Pryor wanted to leave a legacy, and he certainly has but in my mind it isn't whole. He had talent and it was utilized but at great cost. I would put Troy Smith ahead of Pryor because he appeared to mature and grow from his Screw Up. I am not saying that everyone has to be mistake free to play for the Buckeyes. I just ask everyone that plays not to continue to be a repetitive screw up, Ala Ray Small, TP, Rob Rose.  It starts with all the talk and moves into something completely different. Stupid comment, after stupid comment and he didn't learn. What makes anyone think his decision making isn't any better?

I agree whole heartedly with your assessment of Jim Tressel.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

Most of your comments came after a new comment was out there by Pryor.  We had no idea what was going on off the field at the time.  Maybe you did I don't know, but most of us did not.  The Mike Vick comment was blown way out of proportion.  His Herbie comments, well uh he was defending his team and himself and by the way I have no problem with my QB putting talking shit to Herbstreit.  In fact, I consider that not such a big deal at all.  Some of the other stuff like saying he'd dominate the nation and stuff like that were a bit much, but I still didn't see anything all that wrong with them.

Troy has some great leadership qualities, but he got in trouble on more than one occasion.  We all remember the Heisman Troy and forget about his headaches.  Then there's the whole getting fat and lazy before the title game, and other rumors that maybe indicate he caused some friction with team mates before the title game.  I love Troy Smith, but before TatGate hit the wire, TP had done far less damage than Troy Smith did coming into his Jr year.  All TP had done before this news came out was say some stuff that conservative Ohioans didn't like.  People in Ohio have problems with guys who aren't humble.  It's not just with Ohio State, I've seen it time and again with Reds, Bengals, Cavs, and Browns players.  Other places those comments wouldn't have been that big of a deal. 

Players put Tressel in that situation every year.  This probably wasn't Tressel's first lie or cover up.  I'm not pinning anything that is happening now on those players.  The problem could've easily been dealt with last April.  The guys would've been deemed inelligible, but likely would've only been suspended 3-5 games anyway.  The season probably wouldn't have gone much differently than it did.  Maybe they lose to Miami.  All I'm saying is, you can't just make the claim based off of a few comments that a guy isn't going to be a leader. 

If you knew absolutely nothing about the man, but you saw a press conference with Bobby Knight, would you believe that man is a great leader?  If you knew nothing about Bob Huggins other than the story of the cop pulling him over, his door being covered in puke, and him asking the cop, don't do this to me, would you think he was a good leader?  All any of us personally knew about TP is that he was a horrible speaker who had lots of quotes and soundbytes that sounded terrible, but really weren't that big of a deal.  I've seen team captains throw tantrums on sidelines before.  I've seen Peyton Manning reem a guy a new A-hole because he dropped a pass or ran the wrong route. 

I'm not defending TP's actions or TP.  In fact, I really wish he would've went to Michigan and played for DickRod.  Hindsight is 20/20.  I'm just saying, if you only judge a man's leadership characteristics by quotes made at a press conference or in an interview and by some temper tantrums thrown on the sideline well you can disqualify a lot of people who are infact great.  At the same token you can think a man like Tressel is a model to leadership, and find out you were conned the whole time.

Denny's picture

'He isn't a kid he is a full grown man.'

Skeletal growth and brain growth do not follow the exact same timelines. Just because he is tall does not mean that his brain (especially the frontal cortex, responsible for decision-making) is fully developed. There is both anecdotal ('hey, college kids do a bunch of dumb shit!') and scientific evidence for this (the frontal cortex doesn't reach full maturity until 25 in typical cases).

Taquitos.

Irricoir's picture

So by default, how do you hold someone accountable for their actions? Where do you draw the line? I know there is a distinct line drawn for the draft, drinking age, and licenses. You can't sign official documents without parental supervision until age 18. Where do you personaly draw the line? Whereever it best suits your argument? I mean come on. I don't mean to sound confrontational. You are certainly an intelligent man, able to insert humor into your comments, but you don't make sense on this issue to me. If he acts immature then he is a kid? How many 30 year olds do you know that do that? Should they also not be held accountable?

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Denny's picture

Personally? I don't know, but I'd try to take into account things that I think are relevant - life isn't always full of binary YES/NO statements. In this case, the notion that the decision-making part of the brain is still growing, learning, evolving would play a role in the accountability held.

It's not the notion that immaturity means that someone gets a pass. In this instance, with the link provided, I was pointing out the fact that most college students haven't fully developed their brains. That doesn't mean that all college students are reckless, but it means that they have a greater propensity to do reckless things (like getting stoned and jumping off a 4-story loading dock into Lake Erie - a thing I did once when I was young that I surely wouldn't do today).

Based on this specific criterion, 30-year olds would be held accountable. I think that should be rather clear. What I am saying, and I hope that I'm clear this time around, is that the label of 'adult' may be well-defined in a number of instances (appropriately so, or not).

In the case of sound judgement-making, I'd say 25 is a reasonable age to say that someone is making adult decisions. I realize that there are people far younger than this age who make critical decisions that require good judgement. Kids who are in college typically are not in this category, as they're living in the most hedonistic environment possible, and it's unfair to expect them to make great decisions all of the time.

Taquitos.

btalbert25's picture

Safe to say, this will be the Braxton show from here on out.  Sadly, he probably won't get the opportunity to lead this team to a BCS title, they won't be elligible to play during his tenure.

tampa buckeye's picture

What?  Dude Im sick of all this doom and gloom around this fucker.   Get over it. 

The NCAA might just be going away before Ohio State football.  F, fuckin 5

btalbert25's picture

Unfortunately, I think we'll probably find some more details about Tressel in this article and upcoming investigation that will be damaging as well.  That's probably why he went to Pryor's agent with the information instead of the compliance department.

Poe McKnoe's picture

On December 24th I wrote on men of the S&G:

Let’s say I’m running around town with a stack full of monopoly money. One proprietor suggests I give him monopoly money and we’ll call it even. Cool. Man, this shit is like cash. Hey other proprietor, will you accept my monopoly money? Sure. Damn, good thing I got the never ending supply of monopoly money. The one proprietor gets a little late on payments. Then the big bad banks come and want their money, but they want real money, not monopoly money. Now the business doesn’t have any real money, just monopoly money. Well all the other businesses have monopoly money too. Yes, but their time to pay the bank hasn’t come yet.

Moral of the story: Don’t buy shit with monopoly money.

By Poe McKnoe on Dec 24, 2010

NeARBuckeye's picture

Can we stop getting fisted today? Is it over yet? 

Buckeye Chuck's picture

If anybody has ever harbored the ambition of working in the OSU athletic department compliance office, this might be a good time to polish up that resume.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Agreed.  Didn't they "clear" TP's use of cars some time ago?  I think the verbage went along the lines of "we didn't find anything that violated any NCAA rules" when asked about his transportation.

I fear "lack of institutional control" is coming back to the table.  And if all this is true, the folks in charge deserve everything coming their way.  How stupid do you have to be?  SI can find junk out in a couple months while our own department thinks everything is dandy?  Did they not see the NCAA come out and say schools have to know what their star players are doing when they brought the hammer to USC / Bush? 

I just can't wrap my brain around not knowing or not doing anything about it.  Going to be a fun summer of sports radio....

NYC Buckeye's picture

This is quickly shaping up to be the worst day in Ohio State Football history...

NoVA Buckeye's picture

guess we can kiss that 2011 nati goodbye

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

HAHAHA...

National Title?

They won't be sniffing a post-season game for a few years if the events of today are any inclination of what is coming.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I would give anything to go back to talking about being 0-9.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

NeARBuckeye's picture

I don't know if anyone has read this, but this is a pretty great read.

 

http://www.kingsrowe.com/blog/buckeyes-coach/memorial-day-x-jt

 

Edit: It's written by Dionte Johnson, a former player.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Dull is the axe that the NCAA carries.

They will be taking quite a few whacks to sever OSU's head in August.

 

Oakland Buckeye's picture

How does Brian Kelly keep his job at ND (loved him @ UC) when a kid DIES under his watch & responsibility, yet Tress is gone mostly because he covered for low character athletes who made stupid choices in selling their OWN property. "Head Scratch". Moral of the story - if people die it's OK as along as you dont hide it from the NCAA.
 

Will in Arizona's picture

We've also learned that it's also OK if your dad is the one asking for the handouts, as long as you deny that you ever talk to your dad about what college you might be attending.

jamikoons's picture

I agree, it is not ok for Tress to say I don't know it regards to tatoo's gracing the arms of his players....but when your dad comes up with 100k's in the bank a no ask no tell attitude is accepted and even believed......a top QB not talking to his dad about where he will attend school sure I believe that, hahahahahahahaaha

Buckeyes for Life!

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

The best post I have read all day.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Yes, I've been scratching my head over that for a while. That death was his responsibility too. I know this because three days prior to the tragedy, Tressel moved practice to the inside because he "gets worried for our camera men up there." And Ohio State has some of the strongest lifts in college football on top of that. That's the kind of guy we used to have as our head football coach. So the media and fans of other teams can go fuck themselves for trying to demonize this man.

Its the same mentality that NCAA violations are worse than crimes.

Will in Arizona's picture

Is it coincidence that the two best programs of the 2000's (USC & Ohio State) are looking at the ban hammer?  Probably not.

NeARBuckeye's picture

Unless we find out that we paid MoC or Pryor half a mil, and hire Lane Kiffin, I refuse to put OSU at the same level of USC's douchebaggery.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I swear to God we better not pull out some USC-esque shit with a terrible hire like that. Stick with Luke Fickell over someone just stupid.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Let me say a few things:

I was born in Brooklyn; I moved to Columbus in 87 to live with my drug addict parents in a fucking drug rehab center. I remember watching the 88 OSU/ michigan game, and I was hooked.

As I grew up, I went through some dark times, joined the Navy, went through some great times;

October 12, 2000 was a fucked up dark day; probably the worst in my life.

September 11, 2001 was just as bad.

After WE lost to Florida, I made Chief, which for some Enlisted Sailors is the crowning achivement in life; I'll never forget my buddy, who was from Cleveland, congratulating me, saying at least a Buckeye made it. I am happy I was able to escape the Linden Park area of Columbus without getting "caught up". I thank GOD for the Navy every fucking day, even on the bad ones.

Leadership is taking care of your Sailors/ Marines/ Students/ Players; Reward them when they do good, hammer them when needed, AND TEACH.

Jim Tressel fucked up; plain and simple. It makes me sick to admit it, but he did. Is this a dark day? Yes, it is. A buddy of mine, who JUST made Captain (0-6) told me yesterday that people are just sitting around WAITING for you to screw up to embarass you.

I love the Buckeyes; I have no connection right now to anyone I grew up with; family, friends, classmates. I just kind of pulled a Grosse Pointe blank and dissapperared. Still a Buckeye though. Did I have a great childhood? No. Did I fuck up ALOT in life? Yes. Did I have an ideal life in Columbus? No, but there is an ideal, happier place that keeps me connected to Columbus. Thinking about Campus makes me happy. It was great to go back a few years ago and show my family where I'm from.

Bottom line is this: We are all pissed, sad, dissapointed, broken hearted, out for blood. I don't drink, I've had two beers and two cigars today. Jim Tressel is dissapointed in himself.

TRUE CHAMPIONS RISE ABOVE IT. Do you think Jim is going to want us to sit around, bummed out? No. I think he wants us to pull for Fickell and his boys like hell. Use this adversity to strengthen you resolve, as a fan and person. Be the best what ever the hell it is you are. I am planning to use this as a challenge and be the best HUSBAND/FATHER/SAILOR/CHIEF/RUNNER that I can be.

THAT BEING SAID, HANG ON SLOOPY. THESE COLORS DON'T BLEED, and IT'S TIME TO RIDE OR KICK ROCKS.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Brutus's picture

F-ing inspiring read. Thanks man. And thanks for the service.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Thank you.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

If tOSU knew this other SI.com stuff was coming, why did Tress resign?  If he did it to save the University, doesnt that imply there is something to be saved?

If the powers at tOSU know this stuff about TP, then what is the value letting your coach fall on his sword?

Can they really be stupid?

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Sgt. Elias's picture

Oh for fucks sake. Every time I think it's rock bottom the flooring falls out again. Did the tOSU football program run over a bus-load of puppies and girl scouts in a bygone and hereto unrecorded age? The sheer scale of this karmic anal blasting boggles the mind. Ohio can't have nice things. At all. Going to get drunj now and wait for the SI hammer to drop. Fucking sweet. F5 indeed, F5 with a macro.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

JakeBuckeye's picture

Well, it didn't take Mark May a long time to look like a fucking idiot.

BuckeyeChief's picture

What'd he say now?

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

NoVA Buckeye's picture

some nonsense about jim tressel will never coach again, osu will lose, pitt will win the title, the redskins will be a respectable organization within the next ten years, you know, stuff that wont happen

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Anyone else see this yet?

http://yfrog.com/h6hjrdkj

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Poe McKnoe's picture

That, in fact, looks like the real deal.  SI is going to make some money tonight.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Here's the moral of this story:

Jim Tressel cared too much about kids who cared too little.

And it cost him his job.

Ultimately, Jim Tressel's image will be restored. You'll see his name up there with Woody and Paul Brown. 

And they'll probably do him this honor at a Michigan game.

WashingtonBuckeye's picture

This long ago moved past JT covering for the kids who sold gear. Even though the NCAA statute of limitations has expired on the Clarett era, the NCAA is free to consider it as it looks at lack of institutional control. Look at all the allegations Clarett made -- they don't seem so crazy now. The stuff being alleged now dates back to Tressel's arrival in Columbus, with players all along receiving extra benefits, the same stuff that happened at Youngstown State. The fact is, Clarett, despite being a criminal, was probably telling the truth about all the stuff he got. And Santonio Holmes really was on an agent's payroll. And Troy Smith really was taking money. Now, it's Pryor. We are in deep trouble. This is as bad as Michigan's Fab Five nuclear-level scandal and if the NCAA keeps looking and finding, the penalties are going to be severe. What if this has been going on the entire Tressel era? It is sickening, and we can't keep calling it one mistake. That's just not the reality of what has been going on, for who knows how many years. Our coach resigning is just one step, but it's not going to satisfy the NCAA if a pattern of benefits and special deals is found. We can keep ranting all we want about how unfair it is, but the facts may make us eat those words. We should win the right way. I'm not going to defend a coach who was willing to turn his head to this stuff. Tressel sold us out. The NCAA is investigating more than 50 car deals. 50! Right now, we look a lot like USC.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Just heard something about point shaving linked to TP.

Bad, meet worse nuclear.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

AJ's picture

you have a link?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Just a little chatter from some folks on the fringe are throwing out there.  I thought of TP as more of a competator than that, but at this point, nothing will surprise me.

Oh, and about the SI cover, the sidebar gives me a little hope its not as scathing as some would like it to be. 

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Poe McKnoe's picture

I hear TP knows where Jimmy Hofa is buried.  At this point, I wouldn't doubt anything.  The SI headline at least doesn't make it seem like Tressel is some kind of walking ncaa infraction, but let the lunatics run the asylum. 

Colin's picture

TP wouldn't do that...would he? I mean he only lost 4 games in his whole career and always seemed to take losing (realistically) hard.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

That would explain the arm punts....

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Thanks for the needed laugh, Saturday.

cal3713's picture

And the fumble against Penn State that ruined the Beanie Wells' stranglehold.

Brutus's picture

(This was meant to be a reply to the Mark May question. Sorry.)

Really not even worth the time it's going to take to type this, but he basically said that OSU has fostered a culture of corruption under JT's tenure, citing Clarret, Smith, and the Tat5 as proof. He then went on to say that we've had former players coming out "on a daily basis" saying that this has been going on. Apparently, Ray Small constitutes "several players" because that's the only former player I've heard make any disparaging remarks about Tressel or OSU. Nevermind that he recanted a bunch of his bullshit a day later and came off as not very credible during his interview. But hey, Mark May says it happened so it must have.

Mark May is a c-word, plain and simple.

Nerkbuckeye's picture

You are NEVER going to get a fair and impartial comment from Mark May. Not sure why ESPN keeps him around other than he meets the ESPN qualification to be an ESPN analyst--which is to sh*t on tOSU at each and every opportunity.

Of course Cam Newton had NO IDEA that his dad was shopping him--Just ask Mark May-- he'll tell you so.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Don't forget about the Pittman tweet back in Dec.

"This osu tattoo stuff is silly. Cats been gettin hookups on tatts since back in 01."

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/ad-osu-benefits-isolated-ex-buckeye-disagr...

poop's picture

I'm going to go buy the cutest puppy I can find at the shelter. I'm going to take him home, bath him, and brush him out until he's so cute it makes your teeth hurt. Then I'm going to take him to the NCAA offices in Indianapolis so that they can repeatedly kick him while a homeless guy stabs me in the balls with a Phillips head. I'll even name the dog Jim so they put forth maximum effort.

WashingtonBuckeye's picture

Didn't the Lantern post a tape of what Small said and it turned out he said every bit of it? And then he tried to back out of it? I hate Mark May as much as anyone. He always sounds like an idiot. But geez, the three most prominent players of the Tressel era -- Clarett, Troy Smith, Pryor -- all implicated as getting money, cars, whatever. I'm willing to see what the NCAA concludes before condemning Tressel, but this may be just the first dark day. If the NCAA finds cheating has been going on for years -- and they can go back up to seven years -- this could be beyond bad. Stripped titles, forfeited games, complete disgrace. Look what happened to USC, and that was after the NCAA proved its case against only one player, Reggie Bush, who got money, cars and a house for his family. I am sickened by this and I'm just not willing to blame the media because it hurts to hear it. We don't need to cheat to win, we don't need to cheat to recruit, and we don't need people the character of Terrelle Pryor at all. They are never worth it.

Bernie19Kosar's picture

Terelle Pryor showed up at WHAC in a Nissan 350Z with dealer tags on it tonight. Then waved at cameras.

 

Seriously?

 

http://twitter.com/#!/LanternSports/status/75348307177779200

 

What a dick/idiot.

BuckeyeChris's picture

May I ask... what was Julio Jones driving driving around Alabama last year? I'll just guess it wasn't a Ford Focus. Just sayin'.  

I am not denying or forgiving anything that Tressel, the Tat5, etc... did, but ESPN, do me a favor; show some journalistic integrity and find out what Julio Jones was driving last year.  Then...see where that ball bounces. 

 

William's picture

Well it looks like Ingram was cruising around Tuscaloosa in a Cadillac Escalade? Also Dre Kirkpatrick Alabama's corner rolls around in a Dodge Charger while his mom drives a new Cadillac CTS....http://beckerlegblog.wordpress.com/2011/01/02/guess-what-terelle-pryor-m...

Denny's picture

Guys, you'll go crazy trying to cherrypick instances of other teams looking bad. Unless the final aim of all of this 'research' is to indict the NCAA and get things changed (which they should be), you're just doing yourselves a maddening disservice. It's just sour grapes.

Taquitos.

William's picture

I'd like to see the NCAA be more equal in its rulings and punishments, which it obviously isn't. I don't care if these players are driving these cars or how they got them, as long they all get equally punished. Which they obviously haven't.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Maybe instead of this being the worst day in the history of tOSU football, it can be the best thing to happen to all of college football as it is the catalyst to MAJOR changes to the way the NCAA does business.  Maybe these 'isolated' instances are not much on their own, but it is the culture of the collective which could force the powers that be to remove the blinders.

 

 

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

phxbuck's picture

Ol' Jim messed up. He is no better than any of the tat5, just a different type of lie. If he tells the truth from the start we are not in this mess. People are pissed about how we are being treated by the media but I have no problem with it. It means we are the best and when the best fall down people love it, nothin new. The one just ridiculous thing I have heard though is being prepared to watergate, hahaha unbeleivable.

Nitz25's picture

So is the story breaking tonight or just the cover?

Will we have to wait to see what kind of dirt SI has until tomorrow?

William's picture

It still isn't up on their site. I'd rather see it now, and get this whole mess over with. Its time to clean house.

Colby3333's picture

Kids are kids and you are all a bunch of dumb---es for getting caught up in this crap.  Tressel did what he was supposed to do and Pryor is just a kid with a lot of media hype.  The society and media made him this way.  They now embrace the ratings that try to take him down.  You bought into his hype and the choice to pick tOSU over Rich Rod and Michigan, now he is bashed for all the hoopla.  Get over yourself....don't throw stones...wake up people....this is life...deal with it.  Name any tOSU QB that has accomplished what this guy has done?  Stumped?  Undefeated against Michigan, 2 straight BCS bowl wins, oh and he did what he was brought into do... beat the SEC...any other QB done that for tOSU?  Get over it.  We've lost a good man as coiach, seen  a good QB win and now we must move on.  enjoy as always.. Buckeye for life.

William's picture

Pretty sure Rex Kern did just as well as Pryor but oh wait that's right he only won a national title with a team thats starters were nearly 50% sophomores. Krenzel, won a title without any benefits, as well as another BCS bowl. People may be bitter about his actions and they have every damn right to be. And the whole society/media excuse is lame. Bad parenting and a lack of character have created this drama. While he was overhyped, there are other factors besides that, that have contributed to the current situation. Oh and plenty of other Qb's have beaten the SEC at Ohio State...

Colby3333's picture

Yeah, and Rex Kern and Krenzel played for OSU coaches that basically violated rules and ended up fired.  I am not excusing Pryor, but he was successful....like it or not.  I'm sure your comments on here don't reflect your actions or emotions during the games Pryor won while you were watching.....think about it.

William's picture

JakeBuckeye and I had recently backed Pryor after many of his violations because of his success, but after the new information about further investigations, and how he continuosly shows disregard for the rules, he showed up in another new car tonight. I find it impossible to defend him now. While I use to cheer for him, especially with his performance on the field; that will happen no more.

poop's picture

Pryor is just a kid with a lot of media hype.

A kid? He's 20-21 years old and he knows right from wrong. I'll accept the term "young man" but stop calling 6' 6" guys  with beards kids.

The society and media made him this way.

They did?

Undefeated against Michigan, 2 straight BCS bowl wins, oh and he did what he was brought into do... beat the SEC...any other QB done that for tOSU? 

Good for him, now he's one of the reasons the SEC win might get vacated. Michigan has sucked donkey balls the last 3 years too. He's been a great player but still not worth the headaches.

buckeyedude's picture

I agree Colby. I can't help thinking(hopefully, wrongly) that the "Golden Era of Buckeye Football" is over. I listened to a Cleveland station yesterday, with Michael Reghi, and was sickened by the feeding frenzy on Jim Tressel. Like a bunch of piranha or sharks feeding on injured prey. For two hours this man only wanted to know if Tressel was a "scapegoat" or "hypocrite." On and on. Over and over.

 

 

BuckeyeChief's picture

Yawn. I thought it'd be something more dramatic than what we already know.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

741's picture

Jesus, Titus' blog post is actually referenced in this thing...

Colby3333's picture

You all suck dog balls. You guys are the reason why tOSU gets a bad wrap.  This QB got the benefits/sold the stuff 2 years ago....he was a kid at the time.  You were also the same crap holes bragging about the fact that tOSU got TP and Michigan didn't.  Fact...TP was hyped by the media...he was the#1 recruit in the nation by the media and didn"t even play in the highest competion in PA high school FB.  You are all a bunch of OSU sell outs.  Back your school and support the cause or find another team.  Better yet....ESPN is looking for a few more people to jump on their bash wagon... sounds like a few from here should consider the ride....F off sour pusses....you sound like Desmond Howard and Mark May commenting on this situatation.

AJ's picture

youre a tool

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Colby3333's picture

you are a typical OSU dumba--

AJ's picture

you dont know anything about me...you on the other hand get on here and bash EVERYONE...did it get lonely in mamas basement?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Colby3333's picture

you don't know me either.  But, you want to pipe off your mouth on my comment.  Just to clear things up.....it was getting lonely in your mama"s basement.

AJ's picture

as long as we cleared that up then...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

buckeyedude's picture

AJ, I have to say I agree with Colby. Either support the Buckeyes or find another team.

 

 

William's picture

Colby3333 you have literally provided not a single instance of intelligent conversation. Your rhetoric resembles that of a Jershey Shore cast member. So stop calling people out as fake fans when they're the ones being rational..

Colby3333's picture

Seriously....you and I usually agree, but this is a FOX News vs MS NBC moment....Everyone on here is so emotional instead of looking at the big picture.  This is huge news, no doubt, but the media feeds on comments that I read on here.  People need to get a grip.

William's picture

Big picture is that Pryor f*cked up majorly, as did Tressel, yet while it seems that Tressel is remorseful and will continue to provide and be magnanimous towards the community; Pryor is the exact opposite. He showed up to the team meeting tonight in another new car. When will he get it, is my point. He's 21 years old, he's a grown man and is still making the same mistakes, there's a differnce from learning from your mistakes, and repetitively committing them. He needs to leave that campus before he drives the program into the ground. They need to wipe the program clean, and that means removing all traces of Pryor and Tressel's indiscretions.

Colby3333's picture

I agree,  but it doesn't excuse all others.  They all know it's going on and that is covering it up as well.  Where do you draw the line?  Let's clean house...

William's picture

Remove all coaching staff with ties to Tressel, including Fickell, which may seem harsh but I don't think he's ready for a head coaching position like Ohio State anyway. Then dismiss the players that committed the violations. Afterwards set about new team rules that if any player committs an act such as receiving improper benefits, they are dismissed from the team as well.

AJ's picture

wait so now you are saying clean house?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

William's picture

I said it earlier too.

AJ's picture

no not you will, i know you said it earlier

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

William's picture

Gotcha, technology is so confusing.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Fact...Bears beat Battle Star Galactica.

AJ's picture

i believe its BEETS

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Ah, yes.  Must have heard that on obvious xm radio....

Maestro's picture

Won't be missed too much at this point anyhow.  Thanks for some memories TP.  Later!!!

vacuuming sucks