The Show That Never Ends

By Joe Beale on June 25, 2011 at 6:00a
86 Comments
From Super Bowl MVP to high-paid troll in six easy steps.Sorry Desmond, but you don't know Woody.

Come inside, the show's about the start;
Guaranteed to blow your head apart.
-- Emerson, Lake & Palmer

At the risk of sounding flip, I'd say these are tough times to be a fan of Ohio State sports. I do not need to remind everyone of what has unfolded over the last few months, and the reason is that it has been covered ad nauseam by every media outlet short of Pravda. Since many of my friends know that I write for this site, I have frequently been approached and asked my feelings about the matter.

As a younger man, I probably responded to questions like these with a combination of annoyance and scorn, but I'd like to think I've matured somewhat over the years. These days I tend to take a more pragmatic approach. I usually ask myself two questions: does it change what college team I root for and does it change my feelings about the person(s) involved in the incident(s) in question. The answer to the first one is always an unqualified "NO" and the answer to the second is either that or a qualified "we'll see how this turns out". 

However, I have some friends who are not quite as philosophical about it. One of them told me tonight "I blame ESPN". Of course, this is not a new thought; many fans (including more than a few commentors here) have echoed that sentiment. While I would certainly not want to shift the blame for this unfortunate series of events from the perpetrators over to a group of individuals who merely report the events, there is a sense of frustration brewing among OSU fans toward the boys in Bristol.

For some time, the quality of the college football analysis on "the worldwide leader" has been in decline. As much as I respect Lou Holtz for his football knowledge, at this point in his life he is mostly there for comic relief. We have talked at length on this site about our issues with Kirk Herbstreit, and I probably do not need to go in depth about Mark May's shortcomings. Still, I have a feeling that there is something bigger going on there than just the inability to find intelligent commentators.

I've always thought that Herbie tries too hard to not sound like an OSU homer. It is obvious that he wants to be liked, and wearing your love for the Buckeyes on your sleeve would apparently not serve that purpose. In trying to sound objective, in bending over backward to avoid any appearance of favoritism, he ends up coming off as hostile to his alma mater. It may have started out innocently, but I am convinced that now it is deliberate and it is encouraged by his bosses.

In general, the ESPN college football commentators try too hard to act like they know everything, and as a result it comes off as trying to cover their weakness in terms of football knowledge. Take a guy like Desmond Howard. Please. Just the other day, Howard was quoted as saying that if Woody Hayes was alive today, he would punch Jim Tressel in the throat. He went on to say that he didn't think Rich Rodriguez was a bad guy. The homerism is almost excusable, but the part about Woody is over the line. It's doubtful that Howard even remembers Woody. Talk about Bo Schembechler all you want, but leave our guy out of the conversation.

Actually, if Woody was alive today, I'm sure he would punch someone, just not Jim Tressel. Should it be Howard, or his bosses who most likely encouraged him? OSU's success under Jim Tressel put the program on a pedestal and it is a fact that many people around the country want to see them fall, and fall hard. ESPN, not wanting to let a good opportunity go to waste, is pouring it on trying to milk this investigation for all it's worth. 

There is nothing new in all of this. During Ohio State's improbable championship run back in 2002, former analyst Trev Alberts relentlessly bashed the team until he finally had to admit at the end that they had earned their title. During that time, Mark May seemed reasonable by comparison. When Alberts left the network, May took up the villain's mask and became the resident OSU hacker. It's sort of like the world of professional wrestling, where a guy who is a hero one day can be a villain the next, and vice versa. That is what college football analysis has come to: a world of heros and villains, good guys and bad guys. It's all just a scripted show, full of artificial drama and fireworks thrown in for excitement. 

As with the WWE, if you just suspend the idea that what you are seeing is honest and real, you can actually enjoy the show. Root for the good guys and against the bad guys.  And make sure you let out a hearty "Booo!!!" when the bad guy's manager secretly knocks out the good guy when the referee is not looking. While watching College Gameday this fall, make sure you cheer when Herbie comes on and curse when you see Mark May. It's what you're expected to do; it's all part of the show, just like the applause sign at the set of the Tonight Show.

And the next time Desmond Howard says something idiotic (just wait a few minutes), try to respond on cue. Make sure to laugh when Lou spins a yarn about his coaching days; make sure to get all misty-eyed when Golic waxes nostalgic about his days as a "golden domer". As you watch OSU play on ESPN, make sure you grind your teeth when they mention the suspended players about 50 times. After all, it's more interesting than listening to Bob Griese.

I suppose I shouldn't be expecting serious analysis; I should acknowledge the fact that the network long ago shed the sleepy image of objectivity in favor of sexy reporters and artificial controversy. And since they are apparently not ashamed about their own dirty laundry being aired, we should expect double the exposure when it comes to ours. So I guess I'll keep my pragmatic attitude for now, if for no other reason than I don't have time to keep up on who the current heros and villains are.  

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doodah_man's picture

To keep it in perspective, remember, ESPN is an entertainment network. It is not news, it is not academic; think more gameshow. Although we have the privilage of having some of the better sports writers in Columbus, my 59 years convinces me that sports writers/TV personalities are the bottom feeders of the game.

Jim "DooDah" Day
It is hard to play dirty against a man who picks you up.

Bucks's picture

I find it incredibly entertaining that someone like Mike Hart refused to take that path & lauded JT with praise while Desmond invoked Woody.

 

Woody would punch you in the throat Desmond, for your idiotic statement.

Nappy's picture

Erin Andrews, hell yeah. Rachel Nichols, not so much.  

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Nappy's picture

Much better.  

Fan of bacon since 1981

RoweTrain's picture

She went to my high school, was a couple years ahead of me.

Denny's picture

Lindsay Czarniak just got the call up to ESPN. She's nice.

Taquitos.

Bucks's picture

"And the next time Desmond Howard says something idiotic (just wait a few minutes), try to respond on cue. Make sure to laugh when Lou spins a yarn about his coaching days; make sure to get all misty-eyed when Golic waxes nostalgic about his days as a "golden domer". As you watch OSU play on ESPN, make sure you grind your teeth when they mention the suspended players about 50 times. After all, it's more interesting than listening to Bob Griese."

^^ I'm preparing myself to hear this over ... and over ... and over again for the next 2 years minimum.

RBuck's picture

You think ESPN is bad? Check out USA Today's college football page. Today's count: 5 headline stories.... about nothing really. 5 videos...... all OSU related rehashed. Their motto: " We cater to the haters."

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Bucksfan's picture

Herbie relinquished any claim on the cheers from Ohio State fans when he failed to administer the same sort of criticism towards Auburn and Cam Newton as he did with Ohio State and Terrelle Pryor.  Oh, did we mention he picked up and moved to SEC territory?  He is part of the problem, and I don't care what uniform he used to donn.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Dump Mark May and Desmond Howard.

New GAMEDAY cast....Urban Meyer, John Gruden, Erin Andrews and Cris Fowler.

Herbstreit to the sidelines and game calling.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

Erin Andrews should not be up there. Put Lee Corso back in, he's at least entertaining at times.

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

buckeyedude's picture

I agree with getting rid of May and Howard.

But, I don't want Urban Meyer to get too comfortable in the press box, if things don't work out with Fickell.

And call me old school, but I really don't like the idea of hot chicks calling football games. Even on the sidelines. I mean c'mon! How can you know much about football if you haven't even played a pick up game in the back yard? That's why they have cheerleaders, right?

Chris Fowler I definitely wouldn't mind more.

 

 

Nitz25's picture

Check this out: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/What-8217-ch...

I heard we might have to vacate the 1968 National Championship.

Jason Priestas's picture

What does this even mean:

"I can't get my money back that I missed out on a second ring."

Joe Beale's picture

I think he's talking about the money he would get when he sells his ring to an agent for cash.

JaxBuck2010's picture

Nuff Said !!!!!!!!     buckeyefansonly.com/notcalled.html

NoVA Buckeye's picture

even more of a reason to kick baltimore's ass this year in the NFL

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

BuckeyeChief's picture

That was comical; if there is ANY school in the nation that shouldn't be talking, it's the U.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

biggy84's picture

The big problem is that espn represents itself as actual news and people believe them. It is sad that sports media has become the sensationalized tabloid it has become. The WWE admits what they are, but espn doesn't.

M Man's picture

For the record: You really do need a spreadsheet to compile all of the stupid shit that Desmond Howard says.  Within hours of his comment about Tressel, Howard was walking back comments he made about Denard Robinson.  They were stupid comments, whether or not they actually revealed any serious animus on the part of Howard.  (Denard, meanwhile, is a virtual saint, having seen everybody around him do and say stupid stuff for a couple of years.)

And later, Howard has the freaking chutzpah to claim that other people were trying to come between him and Denard:

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/no-bad-blood-between-desmond-...

There are a lot of nice things about Desmond Howard; but his role as a professional in the world of sports commentary is pretty ridiculous.  Making clear, informed, meaningful comments is the one thing that Desmond seems to be almost incapable of doing.  He's good at smiling.

And by the way, my 11W friends; don't get too worked up about this being "bias" or "homerism" on the part of Desmond Howard.  Desmond did Rich Rodriguez NO favors during Coach Rodriguez's time in Ann Arbor.  It's not that Desmond hates OSU; he's just dumb and careless about shit that he says.  Desmond Howard and a Twitter account is a disaster just waiting to happen. 

GoBucks713's picture

Desmond's so good at smiling because he has 42 teeth.

-The Aristocrats!

Cross Village's picture

and an extra chromosome....XYY

buckeyedude's picture

I think Corso and Howard should change roles on Game Day: Howard should put on the mascot head, and act like a clown, and Corso be given more time for serious opinion...even with his recent stroke, I think he'd be better than Des Mond.

 

 

cronimi's picture

Even after the stroke, Lee talks better than Des does.

biggy84's picture

So does Dick Clark

BuckeyeSki's picture

Stephen Hawking speaks better than Des Howard

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biggy84's picture

Nice! My only other one would be Helen Keller.

Pam's picture

I had a twitter fight with Des Howards wife

biggy84's picture

I'm certain you won! I would assume that his wife would lose to a house plant on Jeopardy. Plus, only an idiot would marry him. (not insinuating that you are not very intelligent)

Pam's picture

Apparently she reads his tweets and then responds to the people that sent tweets she didn't like. I said he was mush mouthed and classless. She said "I guess mush mouthed is the new black" Well, when that come out, game over. Those two pull the race card a lot.

biggy84's picture

Not too be funny or incendiary, but i honestly thought DH lived an "alternative" lifestyle.

Pam's picture

OMG!  So did I.  I was absolutely sure of it and very surprised when I saw that he was married. 

biggy84's picture

Glad i'm not the only one. I kinda expected a cameo by him on a Bravo show.

JaxBuck2010's picture

Yeah i have always found it amusing when Florida, Alabama, LSU, Auburn score 80 points on some raggedy division II team like "southeastern mississippi university tech" and the final score is 80-3 they always say wow said SEC schools are so fundamentally sound , and just have superior athletes and great coaching , and show every highlight durng that game on college gameday fnal or sportscenter, But when a Big Ten School Like Ohio State or Penn State or Iowa throw up a 50-60 and win you know 56-0 all of a sudden they have no class in running up the score, and that would not fly in another confrence, and on and on and on !!!!

And ESPN currently employs a college football analyst by the name of Craig James who was directly involved in his school getting the death penalty by the NCAA for major violatons , accepting money,cars and everything else under the sun, Astonishingly enough i have YET to see Craig James give his opinion on the current Ohio State situation hmmm wonder why that is , ESPN is a Joke !!!!

buckeyedude's picture

Didn't realize that C. James played for SMU(really didn't care until you mentioned it). He HAS to keep his mouth shut.

 

 

bucknut82's picture

One can see that ESPN always kills tOSU and it's sad. However, D's comments really show you that he does not understand Woody, Ohio State football and how to do his job.

O-H

iball's picture

ESPN's constant desire to appeal to the masses actually exposes the network big wigs for the arrogant bastards they really are. People arent as shallow and superficial as the dumb downed broadcasts suggest they are. Said it before say it again, putting off fan bases is big business, so if you want good ole homerism at its best , you're in the right place! Go Bucks!

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

over the last year or so I've come to respect Herbie even less than before. In my opinion he is one of the reasons why we missed out on Les Miles and had to hire RR, due to his shady reporting. Now Herbie is being treated like a red headed step child by his own Alma Mater and in my book its poetic justice (no Janet Jackson). However, these unspeakable acts of violations on JT watch goes deep as the Atlantic and I believe that the investigation against your university is just scratching the surface, so all this negative publicity your getting is warranted and justified, no matter who's doing the reporting. Its just hilarious if not ironic how Herbie's helping to spearhead ESPN campaign against Ohio Sta...Staaa... Sta, Sta, ah never mind your name not worth mentioning to me and soon the whole country along with Chris Speilman, Kirk Herbstreit, Eddie George and ESPN will be singing praises to your fall from grace. Jim tressel's destroyed the image of toughness, integrity and success, the very foundation that Woody built his program on and I disagree with Desmond Howard's statement that, if Woody was alive "he would punch Tressel in the throat. I believe Woody would have never hired this snake to begin with. So for y'all to still praise this clown just because he beat Meeechigan every year. but not shun the manner in which he done it shows me that, Michigan is the superior university and Ohio Staa, Staaaa, damn, Athletic Director was right in hiring that FOOL Tressel because they knew it was beat Michigan or bust! your now getting your just deserts so pop some corn like the rest of us, stop (edit:this was just stupid and not needed). Cheers!!! Go Blue Kyle and Dunn.

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

Pam's picture

Are you still here? Go away, no one cares what you think

Reens's picture

When you sport grammar of a 6th grader, your whole opinion is thrown out the window. You might as well have sat on your keyboard and clicked "save".

Nappy's picture

So you cant bring yourself to say Ohio State yet here you are on an OSU blog trolling away.  And this "Jim tressel's destroyed the image of toughness, integrity and success" makes zero sense.  You could make an argument from an integrity standpoint, after all the guy lied, but saying Tressel destroyed the image of toughness and success proves you really are from Michigan.  Tress was one of the most successful coaches in football over the last 10 years and his teams consistently showed toughness.  Something your "defense" has been unable to do for years.  Go fix your own house before you tell us how to fix ours.  I dont mind insightful trolling, but yours is anything but.  

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Joe Beale's picture

"So for y'all to still praise this clown just because he beat Meeechigan every year. but not shun the manner in which he done it..."

Putting aside poor grammar for just a moment, what exactly do you think is wrong about the way that Coach Tressel beat Michigan?  Also, if the "unspeakable acts" are as "deep as the Atlantic", then why is it that no one can find anything other than what we already knew back in March? Reporters and investigators have been "scratching the surface" for more than six months now and still all we have are 6 players who sold memorabilia and a coach that conducted a clumsy cover-up.  It's hardly earth-shattering stuff. 

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

I like to sensationalize things a bit when I'm talking crap, its all good. What about the cars the few ex players spoke about? What about Clarrett? What about Santonio Holmes? Like I said, deep as the Atlantic. If the committee chooses to turn a blind eye to certain acts then its good for y'all. We all know where there's smoke there's flames the size of California wildfire and its got Tressel stank all over it.

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

Bucks's picture

I actually vote to keep the little boy (in his 30's mind you) around. If nothing else, it provides great humor. I can see him excitedly logging onto 11W to see what he possibly trolled out every few hours it seems. :D

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

thank you for the vote of confidence there lil Bucky :-) aw man...

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

Bucks's picture

You are certainly welcome for my vote. As for my confidence being in you providing amazing chuckles at you ... if you get off on that, more power to ya.

buckeyedude's picture

OMG. I hope you don't vote. Do you believe everything you hear and see on TV? Even reality shows are fake.

 

 

buckeyedude's picture

That's why I hate Michelin so much. It sucks here in Toledo.  Even in defeat(which has happened a hellava lot lately), you have some of the most cocky, arrogant and pompous fans. I've seen it firsthand.

At least M Man can give an honest, intelligent comment. You, Mr. JohnBlue,  are just your typical Michigan homer/troll with a BIG MOUTH. Nothing new here.

I remember vividly over a decade ago when Ohio State first hired Jim Tressel. I was hoping Glen Mason would get the job**ducking**. I remember going on SN.com and SI.com and Yahoo! Sports and and listening to the incessant idiotic comments, mostly from MU fans like you, John. I remember hearing so-called "facts" about the low success rate of Division II coaches moving up to D-I. I have to admit, I was skeptical of the hire, because I didn't follow much Penguin football. But, you might want to wait until at least until after August 12th before running your mouth, dude. It's going to take Chinese Buffet Brady a few years to turn that sinking ship in A^2 around.

Are the Toledo Rockets on MU's schedule this year?

 

 

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

I'll go away when you all admit Tressel is a clown. I'm posting on a blog not writing a thesis plus for a number of you, dumbing it down is needed so I'm doing you favor.

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

M Man's picture

You are such an embarassment.  That's all.

GoBucks713's picture

+1000  M Man

-The Aristocrats!

M Man's picture

That's not convertible into MGoPoints by any chance, is it?

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

How's that???

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

Pam's picture

If you need to ask.........

Nappy's picture

Even your own kind realizes how retarded you sound.

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buckeyedude's picture

You add nothing to the conversation here, John. You're just a Michelin troll. And you're not funny or witty, so give it up. I can get the garbage you are spewing on ANY OHTER sports website. Don't need your shit here.

M Man<---there is a dude I wouldn't mind having a beer with. If only more MU fans were like him, this rivalry could almost be "civil."

 

 

 

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

Wow I'm getting edited now. Its cool, I can be attacked for general statements that I am making but when I respond even the editor has a problem. I apologize to the poor souls that I have hurt with my kindergarten words, I didn't know you all were so sensitive. Who am I kidding, yes I did :-). Go Blue man!!! Shout out to M Man lol...

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

BuckeyeChief's picture

Deleted for a personal attack on M Man.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

oh my bad... When did representatives of TSIO become such staunch supporters of Michigan folk. You got a good thing going here M Man, a good thing!!!

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

Bucks's picture

People with brains & decency go a long way. Give it a try sometime but honestly, until then? You are kinda fun to laugh at there Johnny Be Flat.

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

glad I can bring you joy in the mist of your crisis :-)

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

Bucks's picture

Yep. The midst of my crisis, that hasn't changed officially since March & will result in some vacated wins ... maybe *maybe* a year ban (doubtful). Woe is me. I'm looking forward to you being around come November & I can only hope you're riding a high winning streak :-)

Will be a ton of fun.

Certainly will say this for some of you up north. The attitude of wanting tOSU to not be at full strength in order to win (and the cowardice that comes with that statement) is a galvanizing force right now!

"We can only beat them if they aren't able to put the best players on the field!" Kinda hilarious to see so many of you reveling in that. At least one of the most outspoken players you have ever had has some balls (Mike Hart if that gives you a cramp trying to think of one).

JozyMozy's picture

Good God, Mike Hart. I had forgotten all about him. Having 'balls', in the sense of possessing a formidable degree of will and fortitude, is one thing. Running your mouth for years and never once backing it up is another. That's just irritating.  But hey, at least he beat Florida in Lloyd Carr's last game. 

 

Bucks's picture

Was said Jozy b/c of all the goober scum up north, he is one of the only ones who has come out publicly defending Jim Tressel & tOSU ... something I wouldn't have expected from him.

JozyMozy's picture

...r...really? I'm dumbfounded. 

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

Having Mike Harts (really?) is not a really good look for you Lil Bucky but hey who am I to judge :-)!!! (note to editor: hope that wasn't too harsh)...

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

JozyMozy's picture

sort of related- Back in 2004, I remember a prominent sign on College Gameday that said "Buckeyes suck Perry's Nuts," and it just kinda stayed there for the majority of the episode. 

Scott K's picture

D-F-T-T

Don't Feed The Troll

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JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

I want you to be at full strength but I also want you to suffer the consequences of JT's pathetic actions. I hope the committee doesn't sandbag you with a plethora of infractions. We need you bums competitive so the vitality of the rivalry stays intact. How you can misconstrue wanting justice for known cheating and call it "cowardice" is idiotic in itself but is not beyond my realm of understanding. You simply see no wrong doing on Tressel's behalf and that's fine, support the guy who portrays himself as a man of great integrity and character when everyone but suckeye fans know different . Tressel's not fooling me with this senatorial act, he's fooling you and yet I'm the one good for chuckles?Ok ha ha jokes on me. Listen little Bucky, your players may have outperformed mines over the years, but the method in which it took to land those player's is what's in question not the obvious on field results of having them! Of course you will have an advantage when your coach has an SEC style recruiting system in place while Michigan goes threw a transitional stage of dealing with a new coach, not everyone supported, trying to put in a new offense, not everyone was used to and at the expense of our defense, which nobody seen coming. Point blank, you got as much right to stick your chest out (NOT A POLITICAL SITE!)... Good Morning!!!

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

RBuck's picture

Watch it John. Keep the political comments off here or the ban hammer might fall for the 2nd time in a week.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Ethan's picture

You should make sure you're educated on what violations take place before you come in guns blazin. Case in point: 

 the method in which it took to land those player's is what's in question not the obvious on field results of having them! Of course you will have an advantage when your coach has an SEC style recruiting system in place while

 

No recruiting violations of any kind. The violations are from the tattoo parlor and Tressel's failure to report. Nobody said Tressel didn't screw up royally. Nobody said the team doesn't deserve any sort of punishment. He did, and the university will ultimately pay for his choices. 

But before you pretend that you have any sort of idea of the type of man that Jim Tressel is, I suggest you do your homework. If you want to choose to overlook a decade's worth of philanthropy and integrity and focus instead on his mistake, fine. That's your problem. But a man isn't defined by one day, or one mistake. Especially not a man who helped as many people as Jim Tressel. 

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

So player's getting set with cars and money is not a recruiting violation Ethan... Really... I'm the uneducated one? Seems to me you need to look in the mirror bro or get for real. All this innocent before proven guilty crap is built for the court system, not college ball. No, in college ball where there's smoke there's fire and you have the burden of proof. If the committee chooses to turn a blind eye to some of your filthy ways its fine but don't act all high and mighty and above board like there's no dirt in your garden. If you truly read my statement without trying to dissect favorable parts for an uneducated rebuttal then you would feel a little silly today.

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

Ethan's picture

player's getting set with cars 

This would've been a violation. If it had actually happened -- http://www.elevenwarriors.com/buckshot/2011/06/ohio-bmv-clears-players

and money

There is nothing proven with Pryor receiving money. With all the supposed "violations" that have been PROVEN to be untrue over the last couple of months, it isn't hard for a rational person to wait for PROOF rather than speculation. 

Any my favorite part: 

a recruiting violation

None of these would be RECRUITING violations, because none of them pertain to any RECRUITS. They pertain to current/former PLAYERS. There wasn't nor has there been, anything to come out to suggest shady activity with any prospective student athletes, aka RECRUITS. 

 

I have no problems with you being on the board. Good-natured basing of each other's teams is fun. You're making comments that are completely false and unsubstantiated is irritating though. 

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

None of these would be RECRUITING
violations, because none of them pertain to
any RECRUITS. They pertain to current/
former PLAYERS. There wasn't nor has
there been, anything to come out to
suggest shady activity with any prospective
student athletes, aka RECRUITS.
So there's no story about Santonio Holmes choosing OSU because his family was being well taken care of while he was being RECRUITED? There's no story about Terrelle Pryor getting 40 thousand smackers? though technically not a recruiting violation it is however still a VIOLATION. No, the cars he was given to drive while he was being RECRUITED would definitely qualify my friend. Your not being real your being a politician but hey you learned from the best. The truth can be irritating when it hurts. Trust me I feel your pain, hell we went threw the same thing.

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

osukdawg76's picture

Your grammar and spelling make me want to punch (too far).

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

JOHNBLUEMAZE79's picture

feeling a your little frog legs there champ, because of few words... You must be a little Bitc...(too far)

We got beef...You get your goons and I will bring mines, all 109,901 of them....

Buckeye in Athens's picture

what is this i don't even..

But seriously. There comes a point in every troll's life where saying "too far" doesn't actually obscure your increasingly belligerent posts. 

TL/DR - There's no need for ad hominem name calling. 

Joe Beale's picture

So there's no story about Santonio Holmes choosing OSU because his family was being well taken care of while he was being RECRUITED?

I don't know.  Is there?  You certainly didn't post one.  I haven't heard about it, but maybe you can enlighten us.

There's no story about Terrelle Pryor getting 40 thousand smackers?

It's a story, but at this point no one is alleging a violation, since the guy who gave it to him has no connection to the university.

 No, the cars he was given to drive while he was being RECRUITED would definitely qualify my friend. 

Did the university give him cars?  No, I think it was the dealership that let him borrow the cars, and that's no violation and it is not illegal.  The car thing has been investigated ad nauseam but still no violations detected.  

osukdawg76's picture

I remember watching Trev Alberts back in 2002 and it drove me nuts.  I couldn't believe someone could be so blindly ignorant.

 

Then he left, and it was like the spell of retardism that was cast upon him was gone.  He did an interview for someone on a website a few years ago (I wish I could remember which one) and he talked about how ESPN's "creative management" team would suggest that they need someone to be that guy that could bash certain programs, knowing that it would piss people off, but give the Howard Stern effect, essentially forcing fans of those programs to watch to see what this asshole would say next that would continue to berate a program.

 

When he left, he actually sounded intelligent again.  ESPN, as it was mentioned above, has dropped down to a level that is just slightly above professional wrestling.  SportsCenter and ESPNEWS are the only ones that aren't TRULY corrupted at this point (though I question SC more than ever nowadays) considering that shows like NFL Live, CFB Live, Around The Horn, and PTI are now your shows that compare to the pundit shows on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX News.

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

Hoody Wayes's picture

Desmond Howard. That endzone pose was arrogant and classless. There should be a Fathead of that icon of disrespect, in Ohio State's locker room.

BuckeyeDale's picture

I agree with most of what you've said...that true fans are going to root for the home team come that first game, and that the variety of characters will be judged, NORMALLY when the story is completly told, not after chapter three of a 20 chapter story.

I'm not sure what the statute of limitations are in a case like this, but the day AFTER it runs out in this case, I would like someone FRIENDLY towards the program (leaves out all Dispatch personnel) to sit down with Mr James Patrick Tressel, and asks questions to establish #1, the timeline in all this; and #2 the JT thought process that led him to make the decisions he made that ultimately cost him the job he loved so dearly. 

I, for one, refuse to believe at this point that it was just to win ball games, as I also don't believe for a minute that Tress thought that the results of a federal investigation would NOT ultimately be released.  ("I think I can get away with this" most likely never entered his mind)

Finally,   add my name to the list of people who can not stand BSPiN.  Whenever I get word of congress talking about involvement in college sports, I write my reps advising them of my disapproval, and add the footnote that if they insist on being involved in sports, they should investigate the conflict of interest that IS BSPiN.

 
BuckeyeDale
GO BUCKS!!

Denny's picture

Why bring the Greek letter pi into all of this?

Taquitos.

GoBucks713's picture

Oh, HAIR Pi! I get it now!

-The Aristocrats!

Boxing Buckeye's picture

I understand the point that ESPN is entertainment, and should be taken that way. But to laugh them off is to ignore the power they have in todays media. We have seen them decide (on multiple occasions) what coaches are on the hot seat, then beat the drum whipping that team's fanbase into a lather, then the rest of the national sports outlets until finally the University or franchise relents and cans the guy. We've also seen them coronate the SEC as the premier athletic conference (unrelated to the contract they have with ESPN now I'm sure), steering recruits towards the south. Yes, these guys are just talking heads, has-beens, never-weres, and jock-sniffers, but they are having an effect that cannot be ignored.

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