Per Rivals (specifically Ryan Bartow of the TigersIllustrated section), looking for confirmation. Look for Baker to be 15 on Friday. I'm pretty sure Pantoni just alluded to it too: "Great start to vacation #BuckeyeNation"
Quick and big DT out of SC: http://rivals.yahoo.com/Minnesota/football/recruiting/player-Michael-Hill-133242
2 in a row Urbz. Doing some twitter lurking this week? haha
Twitter client for Mac+freelance work=catching commitments fast.
Twitter client for Mac+restaurant work=catching commitments slowly.
WOOOHOOO!
Big Fella
vacuuming sucks
wow, if true this is a real nice pickup, Im guessin now our D-line recruiting is 100% done, but wiht Urb we never know lol
Favorite Buckeye: Obviously BJ Mullens
Nice. Go BUCKS!!!
In my Glen Quagmire voice Giggity!!!
"GIMMIE THAT BEAT FOOL!!! IT'S A FULL TIME JACK MOVE" Ice Cube jack for beats..
Think this has any impact on Billy Price coming in as an OL instead?
I don't think so @Conroy. In many interviews he's made it clear he wants to play DT. It will be intriguing though.
Looks to be so. This link shows OSU to have moved up on Rivals, and has 14 commits (with one more 4-star):
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football;_ylt=AghtkjzhMIquS.Mzq6xhY7u8vLYF
Although, this second link doesn't yet list the 14th guy, but it must be Mr. Hill. Great get - not the wide receiver or OL or LB that we need, but look at the schools that wanted him. I guess we'll just have to have the best defense in the history of college football here in a few years....
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ohiostate/football/recruiting/commitments/2013/ohiostate-33
EDIT: This link lists him now. yeah!
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/commitments/2013/ohiostate-33
Wonder if this also means no Munger in this class, unless we are lookign at him at OL
Favorite Buckeye: Obviously BJ Mullens
Is the strategy to pile up on DT/OT and then sort it out later? See who grows, who doesn't, and then put them in the spot that makes the most sense? Get the biggest guys you can, then makehtem play down if they have to?
At this point, unless they are elite (talking Carl Lawson, Rob Nkemdiche, Dorian Johnson, Laremy Tunsil), guys can shift around as they develop their bodies. See Chris Carter this year. Anything can happen, but it's still important to target linemen for positions lol.
I think it says a lot about Hurst Jr., I guy the staff cooled on. Many people speculated that it was because we were full at DL, but it must have been that he simply didn't have the stuff that the coaches were looking for.
Hurst and Hill have a lot of similarities. Hill's just a bit quicker.
Awesome!!! Go Bucks!!!
Hill also doesn't play against New England talent, his tape/stats mean more
@Buck-I.8
I totally agree with you on that one. Alot of recruiting sites have him ranked as the #1 player in the entire state of South Carolina. Go Bucks!
I have a feeling the staff knew he was a commit for awhile thats why we turned hurst jr away and stopped goin after poggi..i think hill's one of the best true DL in this class and we knew it and waited..he can come in and compete immediately for hankins starting spot when he goes top 10 in the draft
2002 - That's an interesting take on Hill vs. Hurst and Poggi. I hadn't thought about what the reason could be for 'cooling' on them. I don't know about him being a silent commit, but who knows.
Our front 7 is gonna be downright NASTY! I see a 2002 defense all over again. This kid had offers from Clemson, Michigan, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, LSU, Alabama et al. What a coup it was to pull him out from SEC country. When you see LSU/'Bama offers ... you know this kid is good!
I seriously feel sorry for B1G opponents going forward. Meyer is bringing in SEC talent (hate to use that term but it's true!) with a lot of speed off the edges that is going to make QB's lives miserable. I think back to our 2006 MNC game against Florida ... Smith running for his life. That's gonna be the B1G entirely. Can't wait to see Shane Morris and Kalis get pummeled and ass-whooped up and down the field all game long. We're going to have a 2-deep of d-linemen that won't tire.
I like this kid more than Hurst Jr., but I can't say I like him more than Poggi. FWIW--nothing.
This kid's upside is miles ahead of Hurst and Poggi. Guys with his size already don't normally move that well. Very similar to Hankins.
Congrats on the excellent pickup. With that said, some of your glasses are a little too scarlet-tinted, but I get it.
Poggi>Hill>Price>Hurst
247sports: Poggi 94, Hill 92, Price 92, Hurst 90
Rivals DT rankings: Poggi #2, Hill, #5, Price #12, Hurst #30
You can say Urban cooled on Hurst, which makes sense with the Dline haul you already had and if Urban felt good about Hill. That wasn't the case with Poggi and you guys know it. Poggi just was never seriously interested in OSU, like Bosa was never interested in Michigan. Admit it or not, but we'll get to see first hand who lives up to the hype and that's what's fun about all of this.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Poggi would've been a good get for any team. I do think OSU cooled on Hurst, perhaps because they were working hard on Hill. I don't know if OSU cooled on Poggi or what, but you're right Hail, I never got a good feeling about him wanting to come to OSU.
I am not going to argue upside or compare Hill to Poggi or Hurst, I'm just happy to have Hill in this class.
BTW: How many more spots does UM have left?
Hail, why do you only include Rivals and 247? OH, wait, I know...
SCOUT: Price #13, Hill #14, Poggi #15, Hurst #23.
ESPN: Price #16, Hill #17, Poggi #20, Hurst #46.
I'm gonna call you HailtotheFOXNEWS for that bias, Dr. hypocrisy.
lol great final sentence, buck-I.8
@Block Ohio ... 1 thing about that 2006 game, I agree our OL was over matched on the ends, but that was probably one of the worst called offensive games, I"ve ever seen in my life. We went completely away from the run even though Pitman was averaging like 6+ yards per carry, we ran not 1 screen which is what you normally do to combat an aggressive front. Not saying that we could've/would've won that game if we did the things I mentioned, but I'm certain even w/o Teddy G, we could've made it a little bit more respectable...
@buck i.8 we don't normally see eye 2 eye, but we have here lately ... Good points you made kudos! ....
Poggi is a 250-260ish lb DT ... Thanks, but no thanks ... That is much too small please don't come with the J.Simon comparisons, because its going to be a WHILE before another one of his kind comes along. If you go around the SEC their DTs are HUGE, which keeps your LB's clean, and their DEs are blazing which allows QB pressure without a ton of blitzing. You know whose defense is starting to resemble that, yup you guessed it OSU's.
I.8 & buckeyew
Let leave politics out of this site....please review the commenting policy
@BUCK no politics were brought up before you brought them up. Fox News is no more of a political party or organization than is ESPN, both are news sources no matter the accusations of bias against them, be they true or otherwise.
Speaking of Fox News being biased IS political in itself
1. I disagree, just pointing out a common accusation. I never made a personal allegation.
2. If that's true, then so is accusing ESPN of being biased, and we all deserve to be banned.
Furthermore, it is now becoming political with me having to explain myself to you, so though I'm blessed that you used your first ever comments to attack me, let's agree to disagree.
No attack here would just like this great site to remain politic free, we have it shoved in our face everywhere else, just don't want it here.
let's just end it here guys...no sense in going back and forth and blowing this out of proportion
@I.8
Actually, the Scout website is blocked at work. If you look at my other posts, I've never referenced Scout rankings. I could've included ESPN, but last I knew, most people on this site hates all things ESPN. Even those who don't have an ESPN complex don't acknowledge their rankings as anything worth mentioning. Trust me, I hate blogs/sites that only lists the the site that offers the best rating for a certain recruit.
Buckinbama
How much will Poggi weigh in 14 months? in 26 months? More, right? How much does OSU's favorite 2012 Michigan recruit, Pee Wee Pipkins weigh? Rivals lists him at 325, but I'm pretty sure he's lost a little weight. Either way, we have our "Vince Wilfork" to plug up the middle.
Anyway, not trying to discredit Hill whatsoever. He's a stud. Just saying that Poggi is, as well.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
poggi is a beast and you guys have done well on the recruiting front most if not all will admit that. however, we needed hill. the one thing i know is urban has won championships; brady hoke's only championships start with buffet
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
Next year OSU will return Big Hank and Bennett, to go along with Hill, Price and if some of those publications are right for DT positions... Bosa and last yrs recruit Schutt throw in all of our DEs we've gotten the last couple of years... Good luck stopping our DLine.
Somehow Goebel and Bellamy get lost in the shuffle. Solid if not dominant players.
Don't forget Farris and Hale either.
vacuuming sucks
Hankins could be gone next year if he has a dominant season (which I expect him to have).
Why oh...why do you come here Hail? It makes no sense and your comment doesn't either. Poggi was one of four or may be five you guys got that OSU offered (kind of like how TTUN ppl were sayin Bosa didn't have a committable offer...what a laugher of a joke that is and so are YOU). Who really cares Hail...come back to 11W on Feb 6th and talk your shit then...because you won't have a leg to stand on. You guys will have 25-28 (but say you didn't over sign). And OSU will have 20-22 and will still be ranked higher. That's when it will matter...not now (not to mention in 149 days you guys are going to get a nice ass kicking at the shoe and your one year rant will be over). Bet we don't see you here much then...will we???? Go Bucks!
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Yeah I wasn't talking about this upcoming season but the next when the players we're getting now will be able to play as well. I did forget about B and Hale tho. We're loaded.
Hankins was already talking about how he's going to come back his Senior season because he wants to win a National Championship... He said he would leave however if he were the #1 overall pick. That's it. So I bet he'll be back.
We'll see.
Hankins has already said he's coming back but if he has the type of season everyone is expecting, then he could be gone after this year (hard to say now to a top 10 pick and Millions of $$$s). However, don't underestimate the power of Urban and getting him to stay for a run at a NC in 2013. I can't wait to see what TTUN fans like Hail have to say when we beat them two years in a row and they're back to wondering when they'll be able to beat OSU again...
;-) I'd say they'll be nice and quiet like they were for over 8 years :-)
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Well, Joey Bosa is up to 270 and most experts seem to think he is the best of the lineman mentioned in this thread.
Although, I dont care about the Michigan D line. At all. OSU is putting together a nice class, lets see how it develops over the next few years
Over the last 7 or 8 years of watching recruiting rankings and seeing where guys commit etc, I've always found Rivals to be the only one really worth a damn. ESPN's rankings are all over the place. Their recruiting coverage always has sucked(even back in the days when they liked Ohio State). Scout seems extremely liberal in handing out 5 stars to players. At least over the years, and to be quite honest, I don't know much about 247. I've been on there a few times the last year when people have started referencing them, but honestly I don't think any of them match Rivals.
So, I would of agreed with Hail's assessment because I simply think ESPN's ratings are horrible and Scout is barely better.
Bhop
All offers issued by Michigan are committable. If you're worthy of an offer, you get an offer. If you aren't, you don't. Simple as that. Bosa had one. We would've taken him in a heartbeat. He wasn't interested in us and we moved on.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Hail, I don't know that to be true about the offers. Alex? Gene?
@Hail, so if a lower rated DB that you guys still have an offer out to try to flip/commit to UM you'll take them, even with a good shot at McQuay? You either have to give verbals that aren't commitable yet with no manipulation on the part of the coaches, or you have to repeal offers because you're "not good enough". Which is it?
@hail, I've been waiting since Feb 16th for you to say something worthwhile, please keep trying.
Not sure why some of you...BuckI8 and BHOP, keep calling out Hail. Most rational OSU fans appreciate his perspective, yet some are just too childish to listen simply bc he is a UM fan and try to twist his words to start arguments. I have seen nothing wrong with anything he posted in this particular thread. I have rarely seen him, or many of the other consistent UM posters, post anything in an attacking or negative manner...yet some of our fanbase continues to try and pick childish fights. You know its nice to hear a different viewpoint sometimes...even if it is from the enemy.
Woah, when did I attack Hail? I can't speak for bhop, but usually I agree with hail. If I have an issue with one of his arguments, which usually doesn't happen, I offer a counterargument. It just so happens, it happened twice in this thread, but that doesn't typify it. I facetiously jabbed his citation of the two sites that advantage his point, and then I repectfully questioned his statement, which was a thinly veiled blow at Urban's recruiting tactics. I think I'm more apt to call out other OSU fans that Hail.
Perhaps you right...unfair to judge based on one thread. My apologies. But I have seen BHOP single out Hail on multiple occasions. I just dont see the need for it, esp when he does nothing to instigate it.
Yeah, I don't agree with the baseless accusations, and quite a few people on this board refuse to accept anything that an opposing team's fans say. That isn't me, and I don't look highly upon that.
However, I see nothing wrong with proper argument about a disagreement. If everyone accepted everything they heard as gospel, we would be an ignorant people, and I think rational recourse is the most constructive thing possible for making points. I've been proved wrong about my own statements, and I feel thankful that somebody else respected me enough to set me straight.
For the most part, I think 11W posters agree Hail is a valuable commenter.
On Hill and Poggi, my earlier statement about Hill's higher upside has to do with his size and body type. Guys with Pipkins or Hill's size and agility are so rare and every team wants them. I think Poggi is and will be a beast and I think we would've definitely taken him. From the Buckeye perspective, Bosa>Poggi though. I think those two have much more in common than Hill and Poggi.
I definitely think Bosa has the tools to be an interior lineman, and he's strong enough to play anywhere. It'll be interesting to see where coaches groom him
I like hail. He has good points and dont really bash us like other scum fans and hes rational bout things
I agree that Bosa is better than Poggi, but man does that Pipkins kid look like a beast. I hope that Joey O'Connor gets to about 330 in the next couple years, because Pipkins is going be scary.
^^^This. Pipkins is their only DL who really gives me pause. He's a monster.
BuckI8... I think the difference here is when an offer becomes noncommitable. Michigan never gives offers that are noncommitable at the time they are given, but yes, sure, just like every program in the country, a kid's offer may become non-commitable if they fill at a position. For example, Pocic's Michigan offer become non-commitable because they got commits from 5 other OL recruits before Pocic made a decision. And your McQuay example doesn't hold up because Michigan DID take a lower rater DB (Stribling)... even though they are still in on McQuay. They offered this 2-star kid at their camp, and it was clearly commitable, because he commited the next day (muc to the surprise of many M fans). For better or worse, Michigan does seem to put a premium on kids that really want to play for them, sometimes at the risk of losing out on higher rated recruits.
On the other hand, it seems pretty clear that OSU puts out noncommitable offers and waits to see the kids in camp or waits on decisions of higher rated players before making them "commitable." Not saying that it's wrong... it's just a different strategy. But I agree with Hail that Michigan does not hand out noncommitable offers in the same way that OSU does.
Thanks Cincy and others, I appreciate it, but I don't need any special treatment. It comes with the territory here, and I fully understand that my opinions will sometimes create some tension. Bhop is entitled to his outrageous, extreme opinion, and if he feels that his OSU love such that he can't conversate with Michigan fans, so be it.
Commandhead pretty much summed it up, but I meant that the Michigan staff doesn't tell a player they want them on a conditional basis. I think Kenton Gibbs is a good example. He would have been blue in a heartbeat, and Hoke and Co [assumably] considered him to be a secondary option to our current commits. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the type of situation in which a non-committable offer is issued. I only responded to the comment regarding Michigan handing out non-committable offers; I didn't bring it up and it wasn't to question or crack on OSU's recruiting tactics.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Understood, Hail. I thought you were trying to imply that Urban's system was somehow inherently dirty. I think of the "non-commitable offer" as more of a motivational tool, and whether anyone calls it that or not, all coaches give them. It's just that Urban's and other coaches who stratify their verbals make it more palpable. If Brady Hoke verbally tells a kid, come to camp, show us what you got, and try out for an offer, he's telling them the same thing as when Urban says "here's a verbal offer, show us that we should want you to commit on it."
It's not like kids don't know their status with the programs they get offer or "offers" from, whether you do it palpably, or just make it verbally clear like urban, hoke, respectively.
Meh, recruits have always known if they were a plan B or not for a certain school. They know where the rate on all these services and stuff. If they really want to go to a school they'll wait and see. They don't need to have a "committable offer" to know where they stand.
Yeah, I kinda just said that..
I really didn't see your last post, before I commented, but after looking at it yeah, I agree with you. Only difference I see is for some reason this year kids want love early in the process and are giving verbals earlier and at a higher rate than in most years. The football recruiting process is really playing out much earlier this year. I guess it's been moving that way for a while now. 5 years ago we wouldn't be sitting here talking about offers 2 years in advance though. Now we're all jacked up about 2014 offers and visitors.
I guess instead of a guy being plan B, like in the past, to put his ego at ease you give him an offer it's just not committable.
What did/does Micheal Hill play on the offensive side of the ball?......What's the chance this kid ends up on the O-line side?
I don't think so. If any of the DL prospects play OL, it will likely be Price. Hill's ceiling is too high as an interior DL.
I dunno watched alot of highlight video's and seems like more O-lines had a ruff time with Price-Bosa...they had to trpl/dbl team these ones than some of the others.....Got a question.....What does this mean?------ Hill's ceiling is too high as an interior DL.
It means he might become like Hankins, or too good on the DL to not play him there. It would be a waste to play him at OL because he has the opportunity to become a game changer on the DL.
Hill just has that body type: He's faster than Price, he has those big strong long arms, and he has that Dt's instinct.
@BINGO, what you're seeing is what I've talked about a bit the day Hill committed, and I compared him to Price. Price tries to absolutely dominate offensive lines, and just barrell through them. If you watch the Columbus NFTC highlights, Price gets stopped a lot because the guys you face in heavier competition won't always just get run over, they're too strong. With no other moves, Price could get stuffed a lot. (See: David Dawson)
Hill on the other hand, is savvy. He sometimes blows past people, and other times, he stays on his block, steers it an advantageous way and comes around the edge, or reaches one of those paws out to make the tackle. That means he can come in the blitz, but also stuff the run and pile up TFLs. Go on youtube, watch Hill's tape, watch Hankins' high school tape, and then watch a video of Hankins against Illinois, there's a tape of his highlights during that game. Look at what he did then and now, and tell me Hill doesn't have that kind of cieling.