Well 45, depending on the status or quality of OSU Guard play next year, you will either be vindicated for being glad he moved on....or look pretty silly. 12 months from now, we'll both know!
Agree.....but as the D finds its way, it will still be up to the Offense to be high octane and score a lot of points. With a new O Line and the yet-to-be-seen progress in the passing game, just expecting this O to be a scoring machine is a risky assumption. But it will need to be.
I don't have the time to go game-by-game, but I have to pee in the punch bowl and suggest this is a 10-2 team next year.
Waaaay too many ?? for me, including coaches' and captains' ability to preserve a united locker room.... to be bullish about running the table. That ship sailed last season.
Hey, hope springs eternal, so here's hoping the rest of you are a lot more right ...than me.
I hope you feel better now that you got that off your chest, 27. The bottom line for me is this....and why I made my "stupid" comment with regard to the MAC just to make my point that you had a hard time following: Do you remember a big hue and cry from coaches and ADs across the country when all of this went down? Other than a snarky comment from Bret Bielema, there wasn't much said, now was there, from coaches, that is? That is because Tressel, like every other coach has to make decisions every day as to what he enforces and when he looks the other way. Tressel made a huge, career-ending mistake, no doubt about it. Had he turned in Terrell Pryor, he most likely would have violated a promise I am assuming he made.....like many coaches make....to mothers across across the land that "I will treat your son as if he were my own." I can't prove that JT ever said that, but I presume he said something similar. Considering he was Pryor's meal ticket to the NFL, flagging him for the tattoo infraction would have labeled him a snitch-- or worse in the eyes of high school players and their parents and guardians. He made the mistake of thinking that what was going on was, in the grand scheme of things, pretty harmless and never to be discovered. To say he was wrong about that is obvious.
Your math is suspect. 2011 was the lost season. 2012 was the freebie Meyer was given, with a full cupboard of JTs players who extended into 2013...which was to be their NC or bust season that turned bust in the end.
So....we'll agree to disagree. Yes, in the absolute scheme of things, JT was sanctioned (severely) for looking the other way and treating Pryor and a small core of kids differently than everyone else. That was his undoing. Many...the majority of coaches do it, including the guy who is in charge now when he was at Florida. It would have been better for Tressel for him to admit to Mark Emmert that he had been sleeping with his wife....vs. lying about the Tattoo cover-up. Talk about irony.
If Urban Meyer had chosen to coach at a program other than Ohio State, even though he never violated an NCAA rule, the commentary toward him in this Forum for how he ran his program at Florida would be ten times more scathing of him and his character than anything Jim Tressel ever did.or was accused of.
Isn't it ironic that Jim Tressel was condemned for lying to the NCAA....arguably one of the most inept and corrupt institutions in our land. I don't seem to recall too many complimentary posts in this Forum when the NCAA told Christian Bryant and Ohio St to fuck off when he requested reinstatement for a medical redshirt.
Selective memories abound sometimes.
WOW. If there was ever a year to find out how important Spring Ball is.....or isn't.....it's this year.
Geez. Wake me up in August, please....preferably when it is at least 85 Deg outside.
Off the top of my slighly inebriated head:
I Love Lucy": Lucy Ball
Alan Alda (MASH)
Sanford (Redd Foxx)
Ghoulardi (shout out to Cleveland and NE Ohio youth from the 70s)
Sorry, couldn't resist on the last one
Ginger on Gilligan's Island
Linda Evans....on anything she was on
Barbara Eden....Genie.....4 decades of fantasies
Okay. Furious George. As you tend to your flower garden this spring, riddle me this:
Go explain your position to Terrelle Pryor.......Reggie Bush......or Jadeveon Clowney's ....Mother....Aunt...Father, Uncle or guardian.
Then.....come back and tell us what you learned.
Cuz if Jim Tressel had behaved like you wanted him to behave.....in the next five years, Ohio State's football team would not have won the MAC.
Sometimes, I don't .....never f-ing mind.
The best line in the write up was soberingly clear.
Craft has gone from feeding Sully, Lauderdale and Lighty to: Amir, Trey and Q.
And we wonder why he doesn't look so good at times.
Yes, he has been guilty of forcing the ball into the paint late in games this season. But the more I think about it, if I were him, looking around at my court mates, I'd be tempted to do the same thing.
Aaron, we'll miss ya, lad!
If you are talking about Purdue, Indiana and maybe Illinois, yes.
Then again, we had to sweat out victories against NW, Iowa and Wisky not to mention beating TTUN by the skins of our azzes. All decent but hardly great teams.
Had the Bucks destroyed those teams, some credence might be given to the weak B1G argument and how it polluted us for the season end. . As for me, it has some holes in it especially when you look at how FSU waltzed through their season and still beat Auburn.
What set this team up for late season failure was also the laughable OOC schedule as well. The only thing it did was to put Kenny G in the record books for passing TDs as a backup QB against a lowly FAMU team.
At the end of the season, I would Sparty received more street cred by beating Stanford than by beating us. Which may be what some of you are saying.
Losing to BOTH Sparty and then to an athletic, but mediocre Clemson team, put the Buckeyes' credibility back on the ocean floor with the rest of the whale sh*t.
The bigger question vs. VT is how the offense plays. I don't fear their offense but I do respect the heck out of their Defense.
We shall see.
Yes, I'd sit Spence. He can't play vs. Navy and VT.....both running teams and stopping the run is not Spence's strength. Until proven otherwise, he is a one (although a good one) trick pony as a pass rusher.
Marcus proved his chops vs. Clemson vs. the run and the pass. Unless injured, I can't imagine him running with anything worse than 1s or 2s.
Yup. And we've had teams come to the Shoe twice in a row...Penn State did in both 2010 and 2011.
Indiana will this year as well.
I agree with your premise,go1, but I would stop cold at suggesting OSU under Matta resembles what Calipari has done at Kentucky, where he makes the concept of a Student-athlete, a mockery. UK is the land of "1 and dones", not OSU even if you do acknowledge the "Thad 5" departures, Koufos, and Mullens and others.
OSU under Matta, had the luxury of keeping Diebler, Lighty, Buford, Craft, Scott, Sammy Thompson, DeShaun Thomas, LSJ and a host of others for 3 or 4 years. Hell, even Sully came back for his Sophomore year against the advice of many.
OSU's basketball program, Thad Matta, and its record of success can be debated from all points of view, over or under-achievements among them. But to suggest that this program's success or lack thereof can be attributed primarily to players leaving too soon, in my opinion is not accurate and puts the blame in the wrong place --- or finding an excuse that does not fit.
Geez, I think you are being a little harsh, Buck! Now to be clear, I am not a blinded Thad - supporting homer like so many are in this Forum. Probably because I did not attend OSU and maybe that gives me a fraction of objectivity. His negatives are now becoming pretty clear: Inability to close the deal in the NCAA Tourney. One of the two Sully teams could have or should have won the NC. His "bigs" on this and last year's teams really cannot play at this level. I give credit to Amir for improving his game this year....he truly has and to ignore that is not fair to him or to Matta. Trey, on the other hand, plays with a big heart and so little game. That hurts. In the modern game you have to have some semblance of a low post and at least a sniper or two from the arc. This team has neither despite being together for 3 years. Speaking of Trey's, Matta also inexplicably missed on Trey Burke....Sully's h.s. teammate for pete's sake. The only saving grace of this oversight is that so few other teams recruited Burke. So....I guess that Coach Bielein at Michigan knows things other coaches don't? I'd say so since his team has been at the of the B1G now for 2 seasons in a row...this year after losing McGeary with everyone writing them off.
On the plus side of Matta's legacy, the support for him is pretty obvious. OSU is and always will be a football school first. But I can think of no other "football school" in the past decade with as strong of a basketball program as Ohio State under Matta's direction. He'll never get the kids that Calipari, Coach K, Boeheim and others get. That's just the way it is. But he has put OSU basketball back on the map and kept them in the conversation in most of his tenure. Will his legacy be as good as Izzo's? Only time will tell. But I think the total picture on Matta is more evenly mixed than you and some others are giving credit.
Ha ha , me too. A homer's ranking if I ever saw one. Two weeks ago it was warranted. Not now.
With regard to Stoney, Reed and TY.....while all of them had their issues, it can't be forgotten that all of them had the dumpster-fire 2011 season to contend with. Then....we started anew with Herman, Meyer and Miller in 2012. While Miller was vastly improved in 2012, he was still a much bigger threat with his legs than his arm. All of those things conspired to dampen the output of the WRs you mention and the composite passing stats of Ohio State football since the 2010 season.
Agree with this and was thinking the same thing about that Texas game. Nice to see with Greene and M Thomas the Buckeyes will have some height and range to go along with the smurfs that have populated the WR core in recent years.
Of course, for this to pay off, Miller will have to be accurate enough to put the ball where only the taller WRs can get the ball. And you can bet NFL scouts will be watching for his ability to throw the long ball and the "touch pass" accurately...something until now he hasn't been able to do. The sooner he connects with these guys and burns teams who load the box, the better off this offense will be....to state the obvious.
His game....like any point guard is to stir the drink and run the offense. Dish to people who can score. And on this team, that would be........
The only thing "exposed" when Lighty, Diebler, Buford and Sully (and DT) left was obvious: the lack of anyone who could score. Might explain Craft's ill-advised, almost carnival act drives to the basket late in the game. I will admit a point guard needs to be more productive than he is on offense....but his offensive limitations did not hurt this team the past 3 seasons. Now? They are exaggerated because there is simply nobody else who can score on this team with the game on the line or even consistently during the game.
You could put Trey Burke on this team.....and he'd look bad.
People "fawning" over Craft? Yeah, you can count me among those and for good reason.
Night games in November are one thing.
But as another guy in his 50's.....I draw the line at playing THE GAME at night.
1:00 or 3:30 gametime only. And I don't ever recall it having a hardship with ratings or viewership unless there was nothing at stake to a casual viewer.
Yup. Coincidentally....after he face planted Brutus during the Spring Game as I recall.
Tressel and the coaches before him missed out on Ohio kids over the years. But it never or rarely resulted in the dumpster fire at a position like we have seen at LB in the past few years. No offense...but your blame and generalization is a bit off base here. This team's woes at LB run a heckuva lot deeper than missing on Hicks and DePriest.
And that is exactly what the stakes of this game are likely to be ....at night...primetime in their stadium.... if it turns out this way.
Arriving at a National Championship game mentally and physically unprepared and going on to lose.....is how I define just falling short of greatness.