Michigan Hires Away Alabama OC Doug Nussmeier

January 8, 2014 at 9:57p    by DJ Byrnes    
107 Comments
 Alabama OC Doug Nussmeier, Left

Well that escalated quite quickly.  

Alabama offensive coordinator Doug Nussmeier has been hired away by Michigan, according to the guys at FootballScoop.com. In 2013, the Crimson Tide had the 33rd ranked offense in the country under Nussmeier, who made $680,000 last year according to USA Today's assistant coaching salary database

Nussmeier, however, appears to be in for quite the pay raise, as CBS' Bruce Feldman reports Michigan will give him a top five assistant coach salary.

As for the dream scenario of Lane Kiffin-to-Alabama? Well...

We can't be that lucky, can we?

In related news, Nussmeier's Wikipedia page, as is typical in these cases, was factual and free of any type of vandalism.

Doug Nussmeier's Wikipedia page was on point minutes after it was announced he was leaving for Michigan.
Source: @footballscoop

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

Let's hope he doesn't know how to call a screen pass

DefendYoungstown's picture

So ttun replaces their O Coordinator within 4-5 hours. Do we even have any candidates for the DC position????

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

Thomas's picture

Exactly my thoughts... 

Jhesse17's picture

Dude..... would you rather rush into a hire and get what you get or take it slow and make sure you make the right hire?

Chief B1G Dump's picture

This guy will fail without 958585858585968 five star recruits on his three deep and oversigning to replenish the stock.
Then Kiffin will destroy Bama.
Huge win/win here!

But for real, with Nussmeier and Mattison as coordinators, Hoke might as well just kick back and not even wear a headset next year...wait.

Nussmeier was basically ran out of town by Kiffin but managed to turn it into a large pay raise from scUM before anyone found out he was getting canned. Now he has free reign to do what he wants on Offense as Hoke doesnt do anything.

blueinsconsin's picture

Nussmeier is a great hire.  The most impressive part of his resume isn't what he did at Alabama, but what he did at Washington.  I couldn't be happier with this hire because 1) he's young and good and 2) he adjusts his system to his players, something Borges struggled with greatly.  The recruits help for sure, but Michigan has been holding their own in recruiting and I expect that to continue.

Not here to troll...Go Blue

Chief B1G Dump's picture

One mans junk is another mans treasure.

jedkat's picture

We NEED to knock this dc hire out of the park.

“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
~Zach Boren

Jugdish's picture

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Remember to get your wolverine spade or neutered. TBDBITL

BullCityBuckeye's picture

That's fancy talk for "Can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit."  

Earle's picture

But you can cast your pearls before swine.

Italics are for emphasis; an ellipsis represents an unfinished thought.

causeicouldntgo43's picture

As Gus Mahlzan would say, "Boom".

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

M*chigan fans will claim the conference is theirs again. XD

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

LouGroza's picture

Hoke is going to revolutionize his coaching philosophies and the players will just have to accustom themselves to a coach that can see his feet. Only time will tell if they can handle the high tech wizardry now in play for ttun.

blueinsconsin's picture

Currently the conference is Michigan State's..no question about that.

Not here to troll...Go Blue

HotSauceCommittee's picture

I know. Hoke pulls an OC from "America's Team' and we wait for UFM to bring in a stud DC. This is why this rivalry is so great. America's Team is sarcastic but my tablet wouldn't italisize it. 

Thomas's picture

Your move Urban.

GoBucks10's picture

Michigan wants Bama!!!

"Because I couldn't go for three."  - Woody Hayes

rosycheeks's picture

Why would Bama's OC leave to go to Michigan unless Nicky subtly pushed him out the door? Someone explain, please.

zjhousley's picture

its called Lane Kiffin is going to be Bama's new OC

jenks's picture

Nussmeier, however, appears to be in for quite the pay raise, as CBS' Bruce Feldman reports Michigan will give him a top five assistant coach salary.

rosycheeks's picture

You can't tell me it's all about money, because Bama would match it if they wanted to. What I'm getting at is this is hopefully about Bama's OC basically no longer being wanted. Which makes me feel better about Michigan "stealing" a coordinator from the #1 program in the country right now.

luckynutz's picture

Same reason everett withers took a nice paycut and dropped a division to become a head coach. Urban isn't happy with the D, and someone was going to be nudged into a new "opportunity" as a result. Same with saban...he brought in kiffin to assist in bowl prep for the offense. Same scenario most likely...bamas offense wasn't the juggernaut it usually is this year. So saban nudged someone into a new opportunity...complete with a pay raise.

rock flag and eagle's picture

bamas offense wasn't the juggernaut it usually is this year

Mgoblog confirmed that Nussmeier was encouraged to leave.  I'm not disputing that part of your post.  But, I don't think you have your facts straight about Alabama's offense.  Nussmeier's two year's at the helm were the top two of Saban's tenure in terms of yards/game and pts/game.  Alabama's offense from 2007-2009 was so far below what it is now, it's not worth showing the stats. But:
2013- 454 yards/game (Nussmeier OC) 38.2 pts/game, Offense FEI 9th nationally
2012- 445 yards/game (Nussmeier OC) 38.7 pts/game, Offense FEI 5th nationally
2011- 429 yards/game (McElwain OC) 34.8 pts/game, Offense FEI 11th nationally
2010- 444 yards/game (McElwain OC) 35.7 pts/game, Offense FEI 3rd nationally
They averaged more points/game and more yards/game these past two years (Nussmeier's years) than anytime in Saban's tenure.  It's clear that this offense hasn't taken any steps back under Nussmeier.  In fact, all indications are that Alabama's offense has remained extremely consistent the last four years, always hovering in the top ten of offensive efficiency.  You basically said that this year's offense didn't stack up to other years, but that is false.
Perhaps Saban felt that Nuss underachived with the talent on hand and a senior McCarron.  But, he certainly didn't underachieve relative to Alabama's recent history.
 

hit_the_couch's picture

They averaged more points/game and more yards/game these past two years (Nussmeier's years) than anytime in Saban's tenure.  It's clear that this offense hasn't taken any steps back under Nussmeier.  In fact, all indications are that Alabama's offense has remained extremely consistent the last four years, always hovering in the top ten of offensive efficiency.  You basically said that this year's offense didn't stack up to other years, but that is false.

I'm sorry, but did you actually watch Bama play this year? The O wasn't pretty at all. You can talk about paper and stats all day long.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

There really isn't a statistically significant drop off from 2012/2013 to 2010/2011.  And you might also argue that defenses in the SEC weren't quite as good this year as they have been in the past, so this really doesn't say anything about Nussmeier's effectiveness, just that he maintained the status quo in what I would call a down year in the SEC.

cinserious's picture

And we saw how much Kiffin's 'input' helped the Crimson Tide in their bowl game. Ha ha ha, I Can't wait to see Kiffie boy on the sidelines.

"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"

hit_the_couch's picture

Did you see those Pete Carrol team's from '04- '06? He's a sick OC and a hell of a recruiter also.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

Brutus' Left Nut's picture

Sarkisian was the real OC, Kiffin is just the one that people recognized.

FLAMikey's picture

Kiffy will need a body guard when they travel to Knoxville. A musket ball will put a big whole in a douchebag.

buckeyerose's picture

$$$$$

Just win!  

bleedscarlet's picture

Never understood how Borges' West Coast Offense was supposed to be a match for Hoke's want for a power run offense. This is a good move for UM since Nussmeier runs an O that is more in line with Hoke's plans. Recruiting will probably be bolstered up north with this hire also. Going to be interesting....

I'm too drunk to taste this chicken

allbucksallthetime's picture

One certainly does have to wonder what the allure of scUM is compared to being at 'Bama and I do say that with no disrespect intended.  Many would say that is a lateral move at best and into a conference that has not been as good as the one he is leaving.  Go Bucks!  

Chief B1G Dump's picture

$$$.
This dude bamboozled Mich. He was fired for Kiffin then turned it into a whopper pay raise before Mich and the public found out.

teddyballgame's picture

Exactly, they're overpaying for Bama's leftovers.

blueinsconsin's picture

What does this say about Fickell's salary then?

Not here to troll...Go Blue

GoBucksOSU's picture

Fickell is way over paid. Nobody here is saying he deserves the 700K he makes a year.

BamaBuckeye144's picture

I don't think Alabama is the place I go if I am looking for an offensive guru. They were as vanilla as they come. But maybe that's what. Hoke wants. Big Boy offense. Big line, big running back. One thing we know, their won't be an HUNH going on in Ann Arbor, the whore. 

OH-IO!

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

They want the Alabama offensive identity. They got one of the top guys to teach it to a talented roster up there. This is a great hire IMO, and helps the conference out as well. Now they have to figure out the defense and they will be in good shape.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

NoVA Buckeye's picture

This is a lateral AT BEST move. Similar to BERT going to Arkansas

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

Jdadams01's picture

This is interesting. If Saban thought he was worth what Michigan offered, Bama would've matched in a heartbeat.

Idaho Helga's picture

I'm sure he made the move for the weather.  MUH HA HA HA
The minute I saw this it to me was obvious.  He is eyeing Hoke's job.  Hoke is not head coach material and you don't need to have Barbara Eden in a bottle to figure that out (you young people can google her). 
Nussmeier realizes at the Tide office he ain't in line to be HC anytime in the next several years.  Where else to go and get a chance at a "big time" school so fast?  TTUN will want to replace Hoke with a "Michigan Man" and he'll be in the perfect position to do it.  Geeze, the squad he will be coaching has nowhere to go but up (given talent supposedly recruited but underutilized).
Smart move dude. 
p.s. I hope you fail at all your dreams for TTUN.  Yes, that was a crappy remark.  I'm so proud.
 
 
 

Earle's picture

Hoke dreams of weenies (and beans).

Italics are for emphasis; an ellipsis represents an unfinished thought.

teddyballgame's picture

So TTUN fired the guy who helped them reach over 600 yards of total offense on us this year... 
I think it's our turn.

MackRM408's picture

Mgo is predictably uber excited about this. 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Are they going overboard like they always do?

"With Nussmeier and Peppers, we'll win 55 in a row."

"Urban is afraid."

"Green>Henry"

The usual.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Hello_Heisman's picture

Also plenty of sane comments from folks like myself on this and other sites. General consensus is that this was a well executed idea, but not the end all be all. Borges was under fire, so instead of bringing him back or firing him with no clear replacement, Michigan managed to fire him and replace him on the same day with an OC who's a proven commodity and considered pretty successful at his craft. If you guys do the same thing with Fickell, I'm sure we'll see all kinds of insane, over the top declarations from OSU fans on this site that will seem equally delusional.

Not sure why you keep thinking that UM fans have less of a grasp on reality than OSU or other passionate fan bases. Did you read all the insane forum posts on this site over the last few weeks after OSU lost a couple games? The reactions about firing everyone (a few even suggested this about Meyer) were insane. You guys just went 12-2 and to a BCS bowl, yet OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

Doesn't get any more delusional than that, my friend.

60% of the time it works.....every time

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I'm sure we'll see all kinds of insane, over the top declarations from OSU fans on this site that will seem equally delusional.

Difference is, Ohio State fans have a reason to be that confident. M*chigan is 15-13 the last two seasons. Yet despite this, UM fans still act as if M*chigan is still one of the top dogs in the B1G.

(a few even suggested this about Meyer)

I think you're confusing pure stupidity with delusion. I question if these commenters were actually Buckeye fans to begin with.

Doesn't get any more delusional than that, my friend.

Based on reading Mgo, i'd say you're wrong.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Hello_Heisman's picture

BVW - there were plenty of posts I saw on Mgo and other sites that did NOT automatically assume that Michigan would win the next 50 games or whatever because of this hire.  Just because you poach the most insane comments on that board and use it as the basis for your argument doesn't make it a true representation of the entire Michigan fanbase. 
There have been a ton of comments over the past few weeks acknowledging just how mediocre Michigan has become over the past decade, and expressing concerns that we are clearly behind both OSU and MSU as a program at the moment.  Those views are much more consistent with a 15-13 record over the past 2 years.
Having grown up as a lifelong Michigan fan with plenty of other lifelong Michigan fans, I can tell you that there's not many of us who view Michigan as a top dog program in the B1G right now.  Our frustration stems from the fact that given the resources at our disposal and past history, we SHOULD be a top dog program, which makes the fact that we are not far more frustrating.
I was having this very conversation with a good friend of mine from MSU last night.  As I was venting about how shitty Michigan has become while watching MSU, OSU and others pass them on the field, he made a poignant comment which pretty much summarized my frustration as a fan. 
He said that MSU is awesome for now because of Dantonio, but if/when Dantonio leaves and MSU becomes more of a mediocre program again, 20 years from now players and coaches won't be jumping at the opportunity to go to MSU just because it's MSU.  They'll never have the brand name recognition in football the way teams like Michigan, Alabama, OSU, etc do so it will always be a harder fight for MSU to stay on top as a football program.  By contrast, no matter how much Michigan sucks, 10-20 years from now there will still be players and coaches eager to go to Michigan to restore its past glory, put them back on top, etc. 
I realized he was right as he mentioned all that, but all it did was frustrate me more because it just shows how much Michigan has been underachieving as a program for the better part of the last decade.  To have those kind of built-in advantages and still not succeed is extremely frustrating as a fan, and there are plenty of other Michigan fans who share that same sentiment.  Perhaps you're getting that view confused with entitlement and arrogance, but the reality is that Michigan is one of 15-20 programs that should almost never have an excuse for sucking for a long period of time, short of major NCAA violations or heinous crimes (e.g. Penn State).  Off the top of my head, other programs that fall into this same bucket are USC, OSU, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Penn State, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, LSU and Texas.  I'm sure there are a few others I'm missing but you get my point. 
All of these programs have tremendous money streams, resources, alumni bases, recruiting leverage and past history in the national consciousness as strong college football programs.  Whenever one of these teams is not succeeding regularly on the field, it should be considered an underachievement and the fanbases have a right to be pissed and expect something more.  This is the mindset of most Michigan fans right now with respect to the state of Wolverine football.  We know we should be a Big Boy program and we're pissed off that we're not performing at that level.  If you think it's delusional to argue that Michigan fans should expect to field a top tier football team every year, then I think you and I have very different definitions of what constitutes "delusional".
 
 

60% of the time it works.....every time

causeicouldntgo43's picture

It's all about CONSISTENTLY getting the right Head Coach and staff. In the list of programs you cited above, all of them, except for OSU have had problems in getting and keeping good coaches at one point or another (I maintain Cooper was a good coach although he had a glaring issue I won't go into). Some programs like ND have been abysmal at getting the right person in. Even Alabama pre Saban was a dumpster fire.
If TTUN gets the Head Coach issue solved, everything else should fall into place. I don't think Brady is the answer. Nussmier will likely be a serviceable OC, hell he might even be a good Head Coach. It does have to make a TTUN fan a little uneasy though. To me it appeared Saban pulled the classic corporate move in bringing in a "consultant" i.e. Kiffin, as he was preparing to push out an incumbent: Nussmier.
Why was he pushing him out? We may never know, might be Nussmier was not a good soldier in following Saban's process. Might be he is brilliant and has his own ideas that are better than Saban's. Its also possible Saban just really, really likes Kiffin and felt Nussmier was too vanilla. Will be fun to see this play out, at least for me, maybe not for TTUN fans.....

Hello_Heisman's picture

Agree completely - coaching is the common thread here.

60% of the time it works.....every time

BuckeyeVet's picture

@HelloHeisman

Doesn't get any more delusional than that, my friend.

 
Do not call us your friend. We're not THAT delusional. 
;-)

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx 
 

Hello_Heisman's picture

I wasn't calling ALL you guys my friends, just BVW.  The rest of you guys are a bunch of donkey raping shiteaters.

60% of the time it works.....every time

Oyster's picture

Well that does it, I thought you and I were tight!

Hello_Heisman's picture

Oyster - my bad, I forgot about you.  Horrible oversight on my part, as you are definitely NOT a donkey raping shiteater.  You may, however, be a shitfaced cockmaster instead.

60% of the time it works.....every time

tennbuckeye19's picture

Hey, easy man, I resemble that remark.

Oyster's picture

Well, you ARE from Lancaster afterall...

tennbuckeye19's picture

Oyster, I've only got one thing to say to you, my friend:

FROMTHE18's picture

two things: Is Nussmeier an idiot or is he getting pushed out or something, why leave Bama to have to rebuild an offense compiled of so-so WRs, a so-so QB, and an underacheiving O-line. Also, lols if Kiffin joins Bama. 

Patriot4098's picture

I can only LOL at this.  Dont really think too much of the guy.  Im sure hes a good dude, but hes not moving the needle.   Not at all threatened by this.  And in the end, hes well regarded and the B1G poached him from Bama.  This is win win.

"Evil shenanigans!"     - Mac

ATXbucknut's picture

Bama lets Nussmeier walk out the door and potentially hires Kiffin? Let's consider that scenario for a moment...

 
 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Worst gif ever.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

ATXbucknut's picture

Well it started out as one of the best...

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Pretty much like any diaster movie. lol

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

fanfarris's picture

You are right too much time giving to the pink top girl.I liked the white top one to stay on for few more minutes..

you
 

WOLFofOHIO's picture

...the fact that they got someone from the Alabama coaching staff kinda makes me nervous a little.. Your move urban Indeed.

there is no greater joy than watching Michigan get slammed. in anything

andretolstoy's picture

Wait, what are the words I'm looking for? Hmm.. oh yea!
 
Big freakin' deal. Bring it on!

 

andretolstoy's picture

Really? A down vote for pumping up my Buckeyes? Who's the "fan?"

BullCityBuckeye's picture

I'll give you an upvote to balance it out.  Had to be a "too early in the morning" fat finger DV.

teddyballgame's picture

Saban told him to start looking after the iron bowl and that's when he started interviewing for Washington and seeking new opportunities.  It's no coincidence that Saban brought in Kiffin around the same time. 

The bottom line is this guy wasn't good enough at Bama.  He couldn't get it done with all of the weapons they had, all the oversigning and #1 draft classes...good luck at Michigan buddy.  You better save up the pay because it's not going to last.

cal3713's picture

Is this the same OC they had when they won the three national championships?  Or is he a recent replacement?

teddyballgame's picture

Nussmeier was not part of the first 2 of their recent 3 championships.  He was OC for their 2012 championship year.  While the offense certainly wasn't bad (lots of handoffs to Eddie Lacy and TJ Yeldon), the team was primarily a defensive beast:

They ranked first in total defense (250.00 yards per game), scoring defense (10.93 points per game) and rushing defense (76.36 yards per game) and ranked seventh in passing defense (173.64 yards per game).[147]
Source

harleymanjax's picture

Only a M*chigan fan would see this as a positive move! An OC does not leave Bama unless Its to become a head coach somewhere!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Compared to Al Borges this is an excellent move. Would be similar to us landing Narduzzi. Its a serious upgrade for them. I hate Michigan, but I'm happy for them here.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

fanfarris's picture

I would not put Narduzzi and Ness at the same level.Duzzi had a # 1 defense while Ness offense was not even a top ten this past year. 

you
 

Hello_Heisman's picture

Bama was #9 nationally in offense this past year, #5 the season prior. I don't understand how some of you guys can argue that this was a "bad" move. Even if Saban would rather have Kiffin over Ness, I'm pretty sure he'd take Ness over Borges. Are you suggesting Michigan would have been better off keeping Borges? Or was there a different OC you believe they should have hired whose system could readily mesh with the existing roster and incoming recruits?

60% of the time it works.....every time

Oyster's picture

It's deflection.  People were worried when RR was fired because of the unknown.  Now the OSU faithful have settled down since we all know what hoke is like as a coach.  The same is true now with the OC.  Everyone was comfortable with Al and now there is a new guy, from Alabama, that will obviously be competent at his job.  That creates worry, so people will deflect to calm their nerves.  It's human nature. 

fanfarris's picture

"Its Deflection". Glad to know the knowledge and insight of Sigmund Freud and C.J.Jung has been kept in a "SHELL".Thank you "Oyster "for releasing it."Forever in debt to your priceless advice"

you
 

fanfarris's picture

Saban team was not ranked # 9 nationaly overall on offense this past year !!!And Borges became a scapegoat for Hoke.Yes i know fans in TTUN didn't like him but he had a record 600 yards on our storied defense.Surely that should account for something ..Wish Borges luck wherever he goes.I am sure the next couple of years will show who was better..

you
 

SHAKENBAKE68's picture

I think the Itchitagain fans are all in!
 
 

There is no such thing as "friendly fire"..

Bradyhokescholesterol's picture

Where's BamaMike when you need him?

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

He probably fell into a coma of despair after the Sugar Bowl.

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Or was it a Sugar Coma?

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

In 2014 he was hired by Michigan to try and save Hoke's job. Because he was once the OC at the great program called Alabama, many Michigan fans quickly thought he was the best OC in the country even though he was about to get fired and replaced by Lane Kiffin. Michigan unfortunately still sucks.

It's still up. lol

I'm curious why he said "unfortunately",

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Oyster's picture

This is a prime example of why we live in the greatest country in the world!

fanfarris's picture

Even for the" JANITORS".We are all equal.

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BuckeyeVet's picture

@FanFarris - Still stalking Oyster? Oyster is a long time 11W member with a lot of good comments. Just let the janitor comment die, man.

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx 
 

fanfarris's picture

I actually enjoy some of his comments.But that janitor comment is really RACIST.We all know that most janitors in the us are minorities.And then he bash  Lancaster,OHIO, which i like.He is just obnoxious.

you
 

bigbadbuck's picture

Well he's thin enough so likely Hoke doesn't feel as though his doughnut stash will get raided plus Missagain still sucks!!!!

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.            

ghalephoto's picture

If ichigan can't get the speed needed then this hire means nothing.  It all starts with oke and he ain't it.

acBuckeye's picture

I knew 'Bama was a stepping stone job. I just knew it.

alust2013's picture

I think this will certainly be an upgrade for them over Borges, although I don't by any means think it will make them The Greatest Show on Turf, but they should have something like a competent offense. Favorite part is the wiki-trolling though, love that they slipped in a "Michigan still sucks."

...and Michigan still sucks.

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

I think it was implied in the "Al Borges got fired" thread that Hoke did not fire him, but that when he had his annual review with the AD, he was dismissed.  And then within hours, we have a replacement already lined up?
I think Brandon wants to groom a new head coach, get him in the program for a few years as a coordinator so that it's a smoother transition and he doesn't have to rebuild the entire team like Hoke and Rich Rod did.  Why else would he leave Alabama (other than the Lane Kiffin stuff, obviously)?  From what I saw, it was Alabama's defense that had the issues in their 2 losses, not their offense.

kholmes's picture

I don't think the idea of him moving to Michigan as a near term head coach there makes too much sense. If Nussmeier does a great job on offense, I dont see Hoke getting fired any time soon. While if Nussmeier does a horrible job with the offense and Hoke gets fired, then there is no way they would turn it over to Nussmeier. I think the idea would make sense if Hoke was older and on the verge of retiring within a couple years but under current circumstances Im not sure.
The only other reason that some have thrown out there is how Saban really controls everything so Nussmeier may have not had the freedom he wanted on offense. Clearly, Hoke will be less hands on with the offense and it may have been something Nussmeier got assurances on to take the job.
Regarding the idea that Hoke did not fire Borges, I really dont think there is any way to know whether that is the case or not. I doubt it but I have no insight as to whether its really the case. I think the internet/chat boards seem to promote the idea that Hoke didnt fire him as that fits the current narratives that everyone likes to promote: 1) that Hoke didnt even realize how bad they had become and was too loyal to his assistants and 2) that Dave Brandon is evil and all controlling and has his hands on everything now. Who knows what is true but I dont think we will ever have any insight? Whoever made the decision, I dont find the timing of Nussmeier's hiring too strange as they probably wanted to make sure they were certain they could land the right guy that was an upgrade before making the final decision to let go of Borges.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

I'm more intrigued by the Kiffin angle. Alabama missing out on one national championship is enough to make them turn to the Typhoid Mary of  football?

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Hovenaut's picture

The move is full of meh.
Brady Hoke is still HC, and definitely won't be wearing a headset now.
But.....
Ohio State can show their hand now, and bring in their own big name coordinator on defense.
 

"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I don't care if they're a big name. I just want them to be really good.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

causeicouldntgo43's picture

I agree, this move is full of meth.

BamaBuckeye144's picture

That Wiki vandalism is awesome!!!!

OH-IO!

BROSEPH's picture

Kiffin is a great OC, bad HC, but really good at offense.  I think Alabama would even be better with Kiffin running the offense.

Unky Buck's picture

If you skip to the 3:30 mark, I have a feeling that the negotions with Nussmeier went something like that...

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toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Nussmeier had more talent to work with at Alabama than he does have now at Michigan. McCarron, a twice Heisman finalist in December, is much better than Gardner and Morris, the annual September Heisman candidates that disappear from the list in October. He had Lacy and Yeldon running the ball. scUM has no one even close to them in talent. Plus, Nussmeier had a great offensive line creating holes for the running backs and protecting McCarron. scUM's OL is just offensive, period. He has his work cut out.

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A lot of the frustration with Michigan and Borges was that there was plenty of talent, but the on-field results didn't match what the talent on-paper would suggest.  I know that September Heisman is the fun insult to toss around, but it doesn't really apply to Gardner's year.  He was up and down across all 3 months rather equally, a lot of which had to do with the offensive line play.  
You'll likely discount this because Michigan ultimately lost the game, but Gardner did throw for 451 yards and accounted for 5 TD's against OSU.  I'm pretty sure that game didn't take place in September.  Conversely, he was terrible against UCONN and pretty shaky against Akron.  Both of those games took place in September.  He threw 11 INTs on the year and 8 of them came in September, 2 in October (vs. Penn State) and 1 in November (vs. Michigan State). 
His final stat line for the 12 games he played in, if you're curious, was as follows:
Passing:  2,960 yards, 60.3% completion, 8.6 YPA, 21 TDs/11 INTs, 146.1 QB Rating
Rushing:  483 yards, 2.9 YPC, 11 TDs
Pretty sure that you could do a lot worse at QB than Gardner - he's not the problem.  The O-Line was the problem.  But from a talent perspective, there are some good prospects on that roster based on the last 2 recruiting cycles.  The key is how quickly some of them can pan out.
On the RB side, Derrick Green was a 5 star coming out of high school and considered one of the top 5 RBs in the country.  Dude has played exactly one year of college ball so far behind a porous O-Line and you've come to the conclusion that he has no talent compared to the backs at Bama?  I think it's a little too early to reach that conclusion one way or the other.  If a highly rated freshman having no impact on a season means we write them off in terms of talent and potential, does that mean you have no hope for Vonn Bell, Eli Apple or Garreon Conley?  Seems a bit extreme.
On the WR/TE side, you've got Funchess and Butt coming back plus Darboh returning from injury and some good incoming freshmen like Drake Harris and Freddy Canteen.  I don't think they're devoid of talent there either.
It really all comes back to the O-Line.  If they develop, Michigan should run a pretty decent offense next year.  If they play like the last 2 years, then it doesn't matter who lines up at the skill positions - the offense will be terrible and Michigan will not beat any good teams.
 

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toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

The September Heisman comment is almost an annual thing now because UM fans and the sportswriters who worship them always pump up Michigan players for the Heisman after one good game in September. Then after a couple of bad ones, their names disappear from the Heisman list. Denard, now Gardner.
Certainly not writing off any OSU freshman. Where did you think I was when I was making a point about Michigan's freshmen? I saw them play. I have eyes. Green was too fat. He needs to lose weight. Maybe he will gain some speed. He doesn't hit the holes quickly...the few that he had.
Losing Gallon will be a big hole to fill. He improved 1000% from his junior year. Dileo was not a Gallon but he made big, key catches. Those are two big losses in the receiving corps.
I'll concede you on the OL. If they can't block, a new OC won't be much of a help. Can they really be better than last season without Lewan and Schofield? The guard and center play was miserable.
 

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Honestly I don't know how much better they can or will be on the OL.  But college football is a strange beast sometimes.  If you'd asked me after the 2009 and 2010 seasons, I would have told you there was no way Michigan could field a good defense in 2011 with the existing roster.  But they changed coaches and next thing you know, Michigan went from the worst defense in program history to Top 10 nationally in points per game allowed.  Or even take Auburn this past year.  They went from 3-9 and humiliated by Alabama to being 13 seconds away from winning the national championship.  Sometimes, a coaching change can have that profound of an effect.  Other times, not so much. 
I agree that Green needed to lose weight but he looked a lot quicker to me in the last few games of the season than in Sept and Oct.  The point I was making on him was in response to your views on Michigan not having RB talent anywhere near Bama's.  Green (on paper, at least) is the Bama-esque caliber back, both in terms of running style and high school talent level.  He didn't look the part his freshman year, but I don't think it's a talent thing as much as it was a weight/O-Line thing.  That's a critical distinction.....if the O-Line is able to improve.
Michigan will definitely miss Gallon, no doubt, but if Funchess and Butt continue to improve that will help mitigate some of the damage.  Part of the reason why Gallon had such a big season this year was because of Funchess's emergence at the other WR spot.  Dileo had a bit of a lost season because of injuries, so while I agree it sucks to lose him, from a production standpoint it won't be as much of a loss as you think because he missed or was limited in several games in 2013.  Darboh is the X-factor - he was supposed to be the #2 WR this year alongside Gallon but had season ending foot surgery right before the season.  He's got some talent as a good possession WR.  The deep ball threats are more the younger guys - Chesson (who played a bit this year) and Drake Harris (true freshman).
 
 

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aabuckeye's picture

How come your headline is misleading, especially when you make a point of the fact that he was about to be fired? The facts are that M didn't "hire away" the OC, right?