Noah Spence Suspended Three Games for Violation of Big Ten Rules

By Kyle Rowland on January 1, 2014 at 10:41a
161 Comments

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Per a statement from Ohio State, sophomore defensive end Noah Spence has violated a Big Ten rule and will be suspended for three games, starting with Friday night's Orange Bowl. Tim May of the Columbus Dispatch reported Spence's suspension is due to the use of a banned dietary supplement. The Big Ten declined to comment when asked by Eleven Warriors to expand on details surrounding Spence's suspension. A phone call to Spence's parents from Eleven Warriors went unanswered.

Spence did not make the trip to Miami with the team earlier this week, with Urban Meyer and a university spokesman saying he was dealing with "personal issues," but he may be available for the game. His loss is a big one for the Buckeyes, though they do have good depth on the defensive line.

The full statement:

It has been determined that Ohio State University sophomore Noah Spence has violated a Big Ten Conference rule and he has been suspended for three games, starting with the Discover Orange Bowl this Friday.

Spence's parents, who did not agree with the rule violation nor the penalty imposed, were assisted by the Ohio State Department of Athletics in exhausting the appeals process that was available to them with the Big Ten.

Spence is an Academic All-Big Ten honoree and an OSU Scholar-Athlete. He will continue course work toward his sociology degree next semester and he will be able to practice with the team this spring, but he will not be eligible to play in a game until Ohio State’s third game of the 2014 season, Sept. 13 vs. Kent State.

The Department of Athletics will have no further comment on this issue.

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timhbomb's picture

I hate this cryptic B.S., what happened?

Mix's picture

The only thing I can think of is that the Big 10 stepped in to take action against something that happened in an attempt to satiate the NCAA and possibly prevent and even lengthier suspension.

-Mix

penult's picture

No way. This is some Big Ten BS. If it was an NCAA violation we would have heard about it, likely as national news. And the NCAA certainly wouldn't leave it at that they would make an announcement about whether they accept the discipline or will impose further sanctions.
This is obviously some asinine rule that the NCAA, or any other conference or team, doesn't have. Why else would the OSU AD assist with appeals?
To hell with this POS conference.

AcrossTheField11's picture

According to Tim May, it has to do with accidental ingestion of a "performance enhancer".  Who knows... could have taken C4 before a workout or something stupid like that. 

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Knarcisi's picture

Tim May needs to shut the fuck up unless he has some facts. I'm still pissed at the insignificant Dispatch in their participation of the witch hunt on Tress. 

J.Mo's picture

Tim May is a fine journalist.

sb97's picture

During the tatgate scandal I e-mailed one of the Dispatch football writers because I didn't like the way they handled something.  The writer responded the next day with a well thought out response.  I didn't necessarily agree with his position but after reading his response to me I respected his thought process.  I do not believe the Dispatch is guilty of participating in a witch hunt.  I think they did  the best they could to cover what was a major story in their own backyard.

actionstanleyjackson's picture

I have read this is the case. He took an over the counter med that had some sort of banned substance in it...parents, osu and spence maintain it was accidental 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

Bucks777's picture

Today in this day and age, a college athlete has to question everything he or she consumes from anyone...never know when someone will cook something with bad stuff in it... I know I have seen this happen..
 
This has nothing to do with this situation, but how do you prove that a player purchased, and then purposely consumed a product... Innocent until proven guilty??
 
If someone gave him an illegal substance in some Holiday food that he ate, how is that his fault..?
 
Just some curious situations that I am sure will pop up in the future.

BSTP DeCon's picture

Agree with your statement, 777.
I'd also like to add, that being in the military, there is numerous lists' of banned supplements and banned locations/premises you can be at. If Ohio State doesn't already have such a listing, I think it'd be wise of them to start one in hang it on every corner in the locker rooms..

SilverBullet33's picture

Not a great start to 2014. 

LouGroza's picture

Guess that is what the personal issue was. Too bad for him. Wish him the best. Seems like a great kid. A Big Ten conference rule? 

LouBuck35's picture

Happy New Year!

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

jkleva's picture

Good kid, great player, wait out your punishment, can't wait to see him play next season, next man up!

AllDay028's picture

Anyone know the differences between Big Ten rules and NCAA rules?

Knarcisi's picture

Yeah, I honestly have never seen a penalty for conference rules. 

AllDay028's picture

Yup, i'm trying to figure out the differences in by laws but google hasn't been a lot of help. Plus i'm hungover.

joeorozco12's picture

Probably no need to speculate. I am sure the story will come out eventually. I am about to make a bloody mary—it never fails!
 

southbay's picture

Impressive, I am in no shape to even think about trying to do that.

d5k's picture

It is usually university, and then NCAA rules.  Anyone want to read through the respective tomes and find any Big Ten rules that do not fall under the NCAA and Ohio State rulebooks?

joeorozco12's picture

OSU will be ok. I feel bad for Spence and his family. I have a feeling Spence will come back even stronger and more determined. If that is even possible. 

actionstanleyjackson's picture

This makes no sense. Obviously osu doesn't think he broke a rule because they helped him appeal
it isn't grades 
not a failed drug test
what rule is just a big ten rule and not covered by osu and the ncaa?

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

AcrossTheField11's picture

He poked fun at Jim Delany's hairdo.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

What do you mean?  Jim Delany has great hair!   Even Dilbert thinks so.  You can see by his B1G conference photo this year. 
 
Go Bucks!!
 

Crimson's picture

I get the feeling you don't actually read Dilbert.

Crimson's picture

Yeah, but if you're going to post Dilbert, you should know which one he is.

 

CentralFLBuckeye's picture

Interesting...a personal issue...cloak and dagger. Curious what would constitute the difference between a Big Ten rule and an NCAA rule. 

okiebuck's picture

Wow, very strange, especially with the fact that his parents think it is horse hockey. One thing we know is that Noah will be highly motivated when he gets back on the field in 2014. Speed bump young man; we all have them at some point; stay strong kid.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

bull1214's picture

3 games seems pretty severe and its a big10 rule. no mention of ncaa but osu quickly appealed it. im confused as hell. u dont generally hear about conference rules compared to others.

actionstanleyjackson's picture

3 games is a lot...that is ncaa level punishment. I mean pryor and company got 4 games for the tat stuff 
 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

5 games.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

hspbuy1's picture

That sucks!

hspbuy1

BassDropper's picture

It sucks, but it will be great experience for the next man up. Whether that is Jamal Marcus, Steve Miller, or next year with Tyquan Lewis or Jayln Holmes. 
The first 2 games next year are Navy and Va Tech. Jayln Holmes (IMO he will start the first 2 games) will get valuable experience, one of which will be against his home town team. 
Can't remember the last time a DE lost us a game.

DIRECTIONER

Crimson's picture

You'd have about as good of luck winning the lottery as Jayln Holmes starting his first two games.  Bosa is a beast, and he didn't even start day 1.
Will he get playing time?  I think that's debatable with Marcus, Lewis, and Miller in front of him.

BassDropper's picture

Yea, I may have used the "starting" word wrong. I consider all of our rotation guys starters (Washington, Schutt) because they get so much PT when the game is on the line. 

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bull1214's picture

love holmes potential but dont see him starting. de's may not lose a game but lack of a pass rush can and he's a big part of it. especially with our secondary needing help. i also remember losses or near losses where the other teams de was the major factor

BassDropper's picture

example of the downvote party i have fallen victim to. Nothing at all wrong with that tweet, just saying it could be beneficial in some ways to help develop younger players. 

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Hovenaut's picture

So little details for such a huge piece of news.

That's not a knock against Kyle or 11W, I just don't understand why there are no further details on whatever may have taken place.

If the lack of full disclosure is done to protect the best interests of Noah and/or his family, so be it.

Rallying around the team from here on out, and look forward to hearing Noah back in the classroom and on the field soon.

NapervilleBuck's picture

I am sure if Kyle or anyone else at 11W had further details, they would pass along.

unknownmusketeer's picture

FERPA (Family Education and Rights Privacy Act). It is the same reason that trainers are not supposed to release injury information. Even if FOIA requests are made, FERPA would limit how much information could be released. The FERPA rules should actually be stronger in my opinion.

buckeyeswift's picture

I understand that privacy is important, but why haven't we ever heard of the B1G rules? I mean why are they not public? 

"We're from O-HI-O"

FLAMikey's picture

Hasn't the all-knowing NevadaBuck/Ken Stickney posted the details on Scout premium?

Wesleyburgess1's picture

If you look on his Twitter account he posted a picture of a new pair of 24k headphones at christmas. My money is on the fact that someone gave them to him. He mentioned Meek Mill the rapper in the tweet also. IDK Maybe he gave them to him for Christmas.

AcrossTheField11's picture

New B1G rule... no football players are allowed to receive Christmas gifts, be them from family, friends, or otherwise.  

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

dubjayfootball90's picture

According to B1G rules, Christmas and birthday gifts are outstanding violations.

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

BassDropper's picture

 

He mentioned Meek Mill the rapper in the tweet also. IDK Maybe he gave them to him for Christmas.

 
As crazy as that may sound to some, I remember Noah mentioning that he knew Meek personally a while back and he was following him on twitter. Meek Mill just started following Braxton Miller a couple of days ago and by looking at who Meek is following, he no longer follows Spence. 

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BassDropper's picture

I would bet almost anything that is what the violation was

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AllDay028's picture

I wouldn't, because improper benefits fall under NCAA jurisdiction. 

BassDropper's picture

You don't find it a little odd that Noah (probably) got a christmas gift from Meek Mill (Braxton probably got some too since he just started following him) and now Spence is suspended. Nobody knows what B1G rules are, people didnt even know they existed. Im sure it's NCAA violations, but it went through the B1G office.

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AllDay028's picture

If it's an NCAA violation it has to be passed on to the NCAA. You can't just decide to "go through" the big ten office. It has to be a Big Ten rule that isn't an NCAA rule. 

unknownmusketeer's picture

That situation (expensive gift) would seem to be an NCAA matter and not a B1G rule if you ask me.

actionstanleyjackson's picture

Unless osu wants the big ten to handle it to avoid a repeat offender and violate probation with the ncaa 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

unknownmusketeer's picture

That is not the way these things work. You don't preempt an NCAA hearing by having a B1G rules violation.
Maybe his family printed and profited from the Marcus Hall Michigan salute.

bucknut3011's picture

Unless the B1G is attempting to pre-empt the NCAA irrationality... 

AllDay028's picture

You can't pre-empt a violation of NCAA rules. The big ten and OSU have an obligation to report any violation to the NCAA and it would be an NCAA matter. The Big Ten can't just decide to take a matter instead and not tell the NCAA. It doesn't work that way. 

741's picture

http://monsterproducts.com/headphones/24K/
The MSRP on these is $280. (Less expensive than many of the Beats by Dre headphones that are popular with the young people these days.) How could that possibly be worthy of notice, let alone a 3 game suspension?

Catch 5's picture

You may recall that Bama's Clinton - Dix was suspended 2 games for a $200 loan he paid back. That was an NCAA matter as this would be if that is the case.
It's possibly a failed drug test or something similar. Conferences have different standards to for those, and I'm not sure if the NCAA even has one. (Meaning extent of suspension and how many failed tests before the suspension.)

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

seafus26's picture

Dix played in games before media got wind and Bama suddenly self reported. I still don't know how those games aren't forfeits?

Go Bucks and michigan STILL SUCKS!

MikeDossArmy's picture

Meek Mill helped produce these headphones (http://hiphopwired.com/2013/09/03/meek-mill-speaks-on-special-edition-24k-monster-headphones-video/). Spence was probably just giving him a shoutout when he opened them up on Christmas.

AWalk3r1's picture

Do not worry ESPN will sue the school to get the details, then run it like Noah helped hide Bin Laden !

Buckeye_Ryan's picture

He must've signed like a million autographs for money to get 3 games.

Born a Buckeye, raised a Buckeye, will die a Buckeye.

1stYrBuckIClub's picture

I want clarity. Noah is (from everything I've read) a good kid. His parents raised him the right way, and I can't imagine what on earth it is that the NCAA doesn't care about (because they're always looking for a way to be relevant) and that OSU and Urban don't seem to find relevant, but the B1G think is worth a 3 game suspension? Failed drug test would get an OSU suspension, taking money would be an NCAA suspension. Urban runs a tight ship. Thanks B1G for f*cking over your meal ticket, and reminding us why we should abandon this burning, sinking ship and go independent. 

741's picture

So Johnny "Moneybear" Manziel has to sit out one half of one game for signing a bunch of autographs that his people sold for thousands of dollars... By extension Spence must have done what? 
I am preemptively calling bullshit on this one. This sucks for Spence and the team.

unknownmusketeer's picture

Noah Spence should have hired Johnny Manziel's legal team. The legal team was the biggest impediment to anything going forward.

fanfarris's picture

Spence doesn't have as much money as johnny has.So he can't afford his legal team.

you
 

Buckeye Scottie's picture

My bad on the dv. Reading on a tab and meant to upvote you. I am sure someone will correct the error of my ways.

Mix's picture

Spence probably thought about signing a few autographs for a free meal. As OSU isn't protected by ESPiN, like the SEC, the Big 10 and by extension the NCAA decided they needed to take a stand about student athletes thinking about doing something.

-Mix

HighBallAce's picture

And que all the idiots saying how the Buckeyes are cheaters and Urban Meyer can't control his team music...

Buckeye1996's picture

The dreaded and vague verbiage surrounding the violation of team rules B1G rules. What the?

actionstanleyjackson's picture

I think osu has enough to fill in for spence with Marcus and miller
but this is odd 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

buckeyeswift's picture

No half game suspension like Johnny Football? This must of been REALLY bad*sarcasm* 

"We're from O-HI-O"

Olemissbuckeye's picture

So is this the "personal issue" that I was foolish enough to openly wonder about?

Now a unspecified rules violation? Or a mere coincidence? If it was known by the school to be a potential rules violation I don't like them calling it a "personal issue". That description seems to go beyond vague and into intentionally misleading territory.

LouBuck35's picture

I don't think the university, or Coach Meyer have one ounce of obligation to inform the public about a student athlete's personal situation. Sure, if a player will ultimately miss time, you have to announce a suspension. But what is UFM supposed to do earlier in the week, come out and say Noah didn't make the trip because he may or may not have broken rules? 

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

Olemissbuckeye's picture

That's fine, except that in practice they routinely do so. Let's at least be consistent.

LouBuck35's picture

They do. I'm just saying I don't believe they have obligation to do so. Of course it's frustrating as a fan base when someone isn't eligible to play, we always want the gory details. It's just a very tricky place to be in for the coaches and administration I suppose.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

Olemissbuckeye's picture

I'll buy that. It is tricky for them. I would just prefer they give it straight or say nothing. Otherwise it seems off.

FLAMikey's picture

-Agree. Personal is different from violation.
If the conference has ruled on this there is an e-mail/paper trail to the university. Just a matter of time until someone in the media files a freedom of information act request.

joel121270's picture

Consistent about what? That you didn't get the news right away? Whatever way they phrased it don't mean squat to me and I think the reason they kept it as it was is because they were trying to help the kid through appeals. Now if they come out initially and say more that wasn't the correct info what would your argument be then?
Edit: I'm not trying to be a jerk, just saying they don't owe us anything until the situation is resolved. Whether they label it personal or violation they could ultimately be one in the same since if you think about it this type of violation could be on a personal level.

Olemissbuckeye's picture

They have kept us apprised of all sorts of goings on over the years where final decisions had not been made under the guise of "waiting for facts" and/ or "waiting for the process to work itself through". See Hyde, Carlos. To answer your question they could have just told us from the start that there was an going rules violation inquiry. That would have been less vague and more accurate while also being sufficiently open. That's what I mean when I say be consistent.

Saying it was a "personal issue" was somewhat inaccurate, and unecessarily so. Take a look at our comments when the story broke. "Personal" causes most people to think of an academic or family ossue or something along non-rule violation lines. That's all Im saying. Also, as I never said they "owe" us anything either. They could have just been less misleading in their initial description whether the misleading result was intentional or, and I admit more likely, not.

FWIW I didnt read your comment as jerky. I did get DV'd to oblivion earlier when the news broke for merely wondering what the nature of his "personal issues" could be.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2013/12/31393/ohio-state-football-buckeyes...
Again, I didnt say his business is mine or that the school or Spence owes me anything. I just don't feel compelled to take anything, whether from Ohio State, the media, or my government at face value. In this case the "personal" matter was something that in OSU football's regular custom and practice, is anything but. It a simple rule violation by a player.

joel121270's picture

Point taken and UV...
 
:-)

unknownmusketeer's picture

Is Andy Geiger the new director of B1G rules committee? 

Brashbuck's picture

I have no idea what the facts are in this case.  But, in all seriousness, the level of self-policing for TOSU and the B1G as compared to other schools/conferences (e.g. LSU/SEC) really does result in an unlevel playing field.  Throw in oversigning as well.  It's akin to baseball with the haves and have-nots, with the have-nots occasionally getting a day in the sun but in the long run the odds are stacked.

gneptuneproductions's picture

I bet independent teams like Notre Dame don't have to deal with bull shit like this. Lol

2014nationalchamps's picture

alright, alright...who's daughter did Noah bang?

O-H-I-O  for life

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Delaney's

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

collisionbend's picture

Probably Delany's.

"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell

 
hetuck's picture

I wonder if Spence was given the option to play in the Orange Bowl and sit out Kent State a la Pryor et al playing in the Sugar bowl?

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

Brutus's picture

WTF is a Meek Mill?

Cusbuck's picture

I was thinking the same thing....had to google it.

I'm not saying,  I'm just saying.

Greenbriar's picture

Those headphones are a few hundred dollars.  This is not a car or something.  Can someone have a friend who is not a booster?  Would the result have been different if the present was a $300 winter jacket or some ties and dress shirts instead of headphones?    
Agreed with Brashbuck on the self-policing thing.   If OSU and the Big 10 had done nothing in response to this, it would have ended up as nothing.  
Also agreed on the inequities in reporting all of this.  Last night, ESPN could not get enough of Johnny Manziel. He was the savior of college football and the symbol for all that is good in the world.  I don't remember Terelle Pryor being treated the same way.  And I doubt Noah Spence will get favorable press for this.  

Buckeye80's picture

I can hear it now....
Typical start to a new year for the Buckeyes....player suspended 12 hours in to 2014......
Really curious as to what the hell this is all about.  Seems very strange.  Everything I've seen shows Spence as a model student and athlete.  He will be missed in the 3 games. 
Keep your head high Noah! 
 
 
 
 

buckeye_chick's picture

As if we needed another issue on defense (sigh). But I think we can still beat Navy without him next year. Hopefully, he will handle this the same way Hyde handled his suspension, and come back with a vengeance.

Jugdish's picture

Big Ten: We feel it is imperative that we keep our bowl record intact.

Remember to get your wolverine spade or neutered. TBDBITL

actionstanleyjackson's picture

3 games is what Aj green got from the ncaa..tat 5 got 4 games for 1000s of dollars from the ncaa 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

AWalk3r1's picture

I am confused, just three games, no giving money back, or some sort of community service. To make up for improper benefits. I do not know if that is it. I think urban was spot on when he said personal matter. It was cryptic, but would not be surprised if it was something else. The headphones is a good thought. I just think it is something a little different then that. Three games for 300 headset? What Did Troy take ? what did he get ? I am not so sure we have uncovered this. 

AWalk3r1's picture

^ Yulp turns out it was not the headset. Didn't make sense to me. Over the counter supplements does. Those are not regulated. Unless you are taking muscle Pharm, there is no clue what is in that stuff. They just did a special on this, on "The DR'S". Stating that you could be taking something that is not even listed on the bottle, and the supplement companies are so competitive they my sneak in an illegal (by NCAA standerds) supplement in, to give it a boost. 

jmoody's picture

Has OSU learned nothing? Deny deny deny! Admit nothing and give no proof. This works for every other school.

"Did you push yourself to be great today? If you didn't do it you lost a day. We ain't got many days to lose. We're going to push your a$$ like its never been pushed because what you've got in you were going to find out" UFM

Deadly Nuts's picture

Doesn't work so well when you are already on probation.

LEBRON

Buckeye Chuck's picture

No, these kinds of suspensions do occur at other schools too, including earlier this season with one of Bama's better players.
I guess like a lot of us I am curious about the fact that this is being called a B1G rule violation. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Eph97's picture

Read on one of the ESPN boards someone mentioning the B1G did surprise tests for PED's and he was snagged, as was Bullough at MSU. 
 

actionstanleyjackson's picture

Didn't sparty say it was a team violation for bullough? 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

FROMTHE18's picture

if thats the case then i retract my statement (below) about it being something silly.

M Man's picture

I was just about to suggest that; that "personal issue," plus "appeal,"  plus "Big Ten Conference (which does, I think, have an independent surveillance operation for PED's) all sort of points to that.  If I had to guess right now, I'd say that's it.
In the case of Bullough, Mark Dantonio talked obliquely about "all parties concerned," and I doubt that he was talking about other Spartan players (nobody else got disciplined) and he certainly wasn't talking about parties on the street in Cedar Village with burning couches.  Could very well have been a reference to trainers/health providers who may have provided Bullough with whatever caused the failed test.
I'll take PED's for $800, Alex. 
 

bucknut3011's picture

Hmm... Interesting.  The pieces seem to be falling into place.
I think it was the butler, in the conservatory, with the candlestick. ;)
Seriously, this could be plausible.  Good sleuthing, MMan.

jvd253's picture

I am pretty lazy, but it would be interesting to compare the NCAA and B1G definitions of "PED" or comparable terms.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if a more stringent B1G definition picks up routine prescribed medications, legal stimulants (e.g., caffeine), over-the-counter herbal supplements available at GNC, etc., that would pass the NCAA test.  

"A guy from Ohio can make it in life if he works hard enough." - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

IH8UOFM's picture

There are so many over-the-counter things that will make you fail a PED test, its ridiculous.

M Man's picture

I should self-correct one thing; I think the technical term in these circumstances (now, operating off Tim May's reporting in the Dispatch) is "banned substances," and NOT "performance enhancing drugs."  There have been treatises and entire rulebooks written on the differences.  I just want to be on the right side of any terminology dispute.  The difference is not entirely semantic.  I want to be more than fair to any accused player.

Bucks777's picture

Could someone list all the PED's?
 
 

Wilkins78's picture

This is a very good point, you can fail these tests by simply having too much caffeine.

FROMTHE18's picture

Something tells me this is going to be a violation that is ridiculous. Spence doesnt come off as a deliberate rule breaker and the fact OSU was involved in attempting to appeal this demosntrates to me that its something silly. We got your back Spence.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Coaches were hoping he'd be available because they were hoping Spence would win the appeal.  No such luck, I guess.  Big Ten rule?  Never heard of that before.  OSU needs to move to the SEC.  They get away with mostly everything, while we get reamed for farting in public. 

Class of 2010.

Brutenley69's picture

Probably failed drug test, was caused by some type of legitimate medication he was takiing, which is why OSU didn't suspend but b10 suspended him anyway and why the family appealed.
 
GO BUCKS!!!!!!!

GO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

actionstanleyjackson's picture

So he failed a drug test that osu disputed...went to the big ten with their findings and their concerns...big ten suspended anyway 
 
I could see it 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

MN Buckeye's picture

Man, it sucks that this happened. I will be pulling for the young man to come out of this stronger.

bcarp87's picture

Imagine if he was suspended for the national championship game. This still sucks for him but at least he's not missing that.

doofenshmirtz's picture

The only thing that I can think of that would be big ten related and not ncaa would be something that occurred during a game, or over the course of a few games.  For instance, has he been very vocal/disrespectful towards officials about the lack of holding calls against him? 
 
Just brainstorming here.

Bamabucknut's picture

The secrecy for me is not acceptable.If  a body is going to impose its will on you....others should know why.Are we living in  times where power can just do what it wants to do...and not have to even explain what for, and why ?

M Man's picture
  1. I have no doubt whatsoever that Noah Spence and Urban Meyer got very detailed explanations as to what the finding was.  Just because we don't know doesn't mean that the player(s) wasn't given a painstakingly detailed explanation.
  2. There was an appeal, apparently.
  3. OSU and the Conference have to comply with FERPA, as mentioned earlier in this thread.  A failed drug test would qualify for privacy coverage under a a couple dozen different laws.  FERPA, HIPAA, you name it.
  4. Which leaves it up to the player (with input from the team) as to when to talk publicly about it.  And right now, with big bowl games coming up for MSU and OSU, is not the time to talk about it.  Just a pure distraction.  
MilitaryBuckeye's picture

FWIW Jeremiah from MoTSG is reporting that its due to taking performance enhancing drugs injested accidentally from an over the counter supplement... Think that would make sense. Can't embed the tweet on my phone but here's the link below.
 
https://twitter.com/syrmotsag/status/418430039521124352

ScarletNGrey01's picture

Think of how many Olympic athletes over the years have been suspended for taking OTC cold medicine etc.  There are hundreds of substances including herbal products that any of us can take but athletes cannot.  The sheer number of rules regarding behavior and what you can ingest is so ridiculous it takes a lot of the fun out of sports.
 

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

Bucks777's picture

If their not taking anything illegal then why do we treat them like criminals???
Steroids are illegal, and other drugs like it are, I can understand these Illegal Drugs, but
not PED's, they are legal, and the public uses them regularly.

harleymanjax's picture

If it was improper benefits, it would be an NCAA suspension
If it was narcotics or academics it would be an OSU suspension
A B1G suspension can only be some BS PED issue.

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

Knarcisi's picture

He just should have taken money for autographs, $200K, or raped a girl. Minimum penalty, 1/2 game against a cupcake.  Maximum, Heisman. 

Bamabucknut's picture

The Columbus Dispatch is reporting the suspension was for use of an unapproved dietary supplement.
http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/01/01/0101-noah-spe...

actionstanleyjackson's picture

sounds like he took some over the counter meds that had a banned substance..everyone says it was an accident...big ten doesn't see it that way 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

Buckeye1996's picture

Three games for an OTC drug mess up? Strange.

bucknut3011's picture

Strange... I agree, three games seems like a lot.  No chance to have Noah back for Friday now, but I've got to think the additional two games for next season need to be reconsidered.  Need to keep to challenging this one, if it was an accident.

nick_ferguson58's picture

A drug testing issue would seem the most plausible to me. I played D3 college ball and have worked with a division 1 football team outside of the big ten so I do not know specific big ten or Ohio state rules but I do know that each school, conference, and the ncaa has independent policies and testing procedures. For example, most (not all) schools test for recreational drugs but NOT performance enhancing drugs. The ncaa (unless it has changed in the last 2 years) only tests for performance enhancing drugs and not recreational drugs. conferences can have their own testing policy but most D3 conferences do not and the D1 school I was at did not have conference testing. NCAA if I remember correctly informs a schools administration and medical staff 24 hours before they arrive and then once there they randomly select a set number of athletes to test at a given time. athletes typically have something like a 12 hour window to show up or they are considered a failed test. The big ten could potentially test for PEDs, recreational drugs, our both.

As others have stated, it could be an innocent substance that caused a positive test. For example caffeine in high quantities it's consideted a performance enhancer and if you drink a mountain dew or energy drink within a short enough time frame before a test, you could conceivably test positive.

Nick

fanfarris's picture

wether we like it or not.We are the BIG Flagship Football and Basketball program.No need for all these calls to go independent.I am glad that we are not part of the Sec or others.Lets not get carried away over one player.The BIG is Big in many different ways.Go Bucks.

you
 

Knarcisi's picture

Seriously, doesn't the compliance and training staff see that these kids get a list and education of what OTC supplements are allowed or not?  Don't get me going on a fire Gene Smith rant again. 

Seattle Linga's picture

My mid-morning breakfast has now been officially been ruined

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

Well, this is a major bummer.  Spence is a great player.  I'd sure like to know what in the world this is related to.
Hopefully the next player in line will step up and do a great job.  You're only as strong as your weakest link when it comes to football because in any given play you can lose a starter. I have faith that some of the younger DL guys will step it up.  We sure need it now that Spence is out. 
Go Bucks!

Bamabucknut's picture

Players are only supposed to ingest things that have been APPROVED....apparently.
Apparently ingesting something that is NOT approved can get you suspended.
I can definitely see how a player can feel and be abused  by this kind of decision making.

BuckeyeDynasty's picture

Noah should have ran the dietary product by strength coach Mick Marotti before he ingested it, if he did this whole incident could have been avoided. This sucks, but you live and you learn.

PhillyBuckeye27's picture

RELAX FOLKS - It's one player.  This is Ohio State - not some fly by night school.  We recruit D1 players who can play anywhere - we will find a replacement for three games for Mr. Spence.  Besides, neither Navy nor VT scare me - but Taj and Co are the real deal.....it isn't like Noah plays in our defensive backfield..... 

BuckGnome's picture

One player, have you watched this defense?  Facing Boyd, Watkins, & Co. was already a frightening proposition.  Now we just lost our best pass rusher.

PhillyBuckeye27's picture

Yup - all bloody year.....more worried about our back 4 then our front 4.  We have bodies to plug the Noah hole - but not much to plug the back 4.....Looking forward to seeing if Vonn is worth the hype however - Friday will be fun to watch.

BuckGnome's picture

I get what you're saying, and agree the secondary is a dumpster fire.   Losing our best pass rusher will only expose that weakness more.

PhillyBuckeye27's picture

Dumpster fire - now that's a good analogy - especially w/ Roby out now.....YIKES!

justanotherbuckeye22's picture

When was the last  time  a  school came  to our  house,  and owned us  like  Florida  Sate  did  to Clemson.
They  call it  Death  Valley

PhillyBuckeye27's picture

Probably USC in the mid 90's - the game where Cooper called the game cause of weather.  The score wasn't bad but the tojans were the better team.  That's the only one that comes to mind.  I'm sure I'm missing some along the way.....

LeftCoastBuck's picture

You don't know that he didn't. "Proprietary" ingredients are often not detailed on the package.
 

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

justanotherbuckeye22's picture

Spence is an Academic All-Big Ten honoree and an OSU Scholar-Athlete. 
 
 No breaks in the   Big  Ten? 

FROMTHE18's picture

Iowa am done. Huskers doing alright. 'Sconsin game is just ESPN's attempt at trying to outdue their Manziel erections with Clowney-lovin.

FROMTHE18's picture

Also, its a hell of a time playing the "In the SEC" Drinking Game. Anytime "In the SEC", "SEC Offense" "SEC Defense", "Speed" "Size" "Strength" used in referring to the SEC team, or every 3 mentions of the star player on the SEC team you drink. Get a solid buzz before the end of the first quarter. 

justanotherbuckeye22's picture

The league does not test for street drugs.
 
Find  this  funny for  some  reason.

Sean N's picture

What happened to suspended players being allowed to play in bowl games? 

wyatt's picture

I don't understand. Doesn't OSU have a whole staff handling the training table meals?

tennbuckeye19's picture

I'm sure they do, but they wouldn't be able to monitor something if Spence took it on his own without their knowledge.

buckeyedude's picture

Mabye he took some cold medicine that he wasn't supposed to? Pseudoephedrine is used to make meth and maybe a banned substance. Just a thought. It could have been accidental.

 

 

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Three games for accidentally ingesting some banned substance?  I get that we want to get PEDs out of the game, but shouldn't there be a difference in how these things are handled based on intent?  I get it if Spence was knowingly trying to take a banned substance - hell, three games wouldn't be enough then.  I also understand that whether or not you meant to take a banned substance, you did take one.  I don't know...three games sounds harsh to me.

Class of 2010.

Crimson's picture

You can't determine intent, and once you make an exception, everyone will claim it was an accident.

Urban Nation Army's picture

We all know nothing would happen if he was in the SEC

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.