Pat Forde: Louisville Tried to Schedule Ohio State in '13

October 15, 2013 at 11:23a    by DJ Byrnes    
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Pat Forde, clown.

Actually, it will probably end up hurting Louisville more than Ohio State. The Buckeyes weren't going to jump an undefeated Oregon/Alabama even with the Cardinals on the schedule, anyway.

I'm also getting a kick out of the national narrative Ohio State is scheduled to play somebody. Not OSU's fault California fell off a cliff, and it's also ignoring past series with USC, Texas and Miami. It also ignores future series with the likes of Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Texas and Oklahoma. (Tennessee backed out of a series too, but you'll never hear that mentioned; just like you'll never hear Vanderbilt ridiculed for backing out of a series with Ohio State.)

UPDATE: 

And then there's this:

Pat Forde, everyone.

Source: @BFeldmanCBS

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Baroclinicity's picture

Is that true?  Why would we do that?

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

GoBucks713's picture

They probably wanted paid for coming to OSU for one game instead of doing a home and home in back to back years.

-The Aristocrats!

AndyVance's picture

Did we pay SDSU for the same service?

GoBucks713's picture

I would hold Louisville in a much higher light than SDSU. They've been to a 2 BCS Bowls and have actually been relevant since Marshall Faulk was drafted.

-The Aristocrats!

AndyVance's picture

I would as well - hence my question: the previous poster posited that Louisville wanted $$$ for a 1-off trip to Columbus, and I was inquiring if we hadn't indeed paid SDSU for the privilege of flying to Central Ohio for a ritual beating.

tennbuckeye19's picture

OSU wrote San Diego State a check for 1.2 million for their game in Columbus.
http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/ohio-state-pay-non-conference-foes-31-million

AndyVance's picture

As I suspected.

AndyVance's picture

Having no knowledge as to the veracity of Forde's claim whatsoever, I would offer this: scheduling Louisville, generally speaking, is a lose-lose scenario for the Buckeyes. If you schedule them and win (in a normal year) you've beaten another nobody from nowheresville. The fact that they're ranked this year is more of a product of Teddy Bridgewater and a pretty fair turn of luck last season than anything else. Like the Buckeyes, they play an uninspiring schedule, and their conference is largely irrelevant to the national title discussion.
On the other hand, if you schedule them and lose, your credibility as a national contender takes an even bigger hit than it has already in recent years - at least when we lost high profile games during the Tressel era, it was to teams like USC, Texas, LSU or Florida - teams that you figure might be 50/50 shots because those programs are good programs. Louisville is not one of those programs, so losing to them would be bad, bad, bad.
So, if you're scheduling for Ohio State, there is no upside to playing Louisville, aside from the potential for a quasi-regional rivalry sort of thing, but if that were of interest, we'd make more of an effort to play WVU or Kentucky, which we haven't/don't. This year, while the matchup would have been interesting, is an outlier.

cplunk's picture

Completely agree- teams like Louisville (or Boise State awhile back) are the worst teams to play; A win gives you no credibility and loss ends your season. There is no upside to teams like that.
It would be like having the misfortune to have Missouri on your schedule for this year. Lose and you're part of the SEC narrative. Win and you beat a team that "isn't really an SEC team yet", and that may have four losses by the time the year is over.

Sean N's picture

Bullshit. It shouldn't be a "lose-lose" for Ohio State to schedule anyone. Teams like Louisvillle need to play schedule games to try and win a championship. The buckeyes shouldn't be afraid of anybody for whatever reason. 

AndyVance's picture

I'm pretty sure the Buckeyes aren't afraid to play anyone, anywhere, at any time.
That's not the same thing as saying there is no benefit to scheduling Louisville. There is no benefit to scheduling Louisville. If we're going to schedule non-cupcake out-of-conference matches (which we most definitely should), they need to at least be teams like Virginia Tech that come from traditional "power conferences," and will have at least a shot at being in the Top 25.
Cal was a Pac-12 team that should have been better than it was.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Who said they were afraid?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

AndyVance's picture

I was responding to Sean N's comment (above mine) that OSU shouldn't be afraid to play anyone.
That implies that by saying there was no upside to scheduling Louisville, we are somehow afraid of them, which is obviously untrue on every conceivable level.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I was responding to Sean N's comment (above mine)

That's who I was responding to. Your comment wasn't posted yet when I hit reply.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

AndyVance's picture

That's who I was responding to. Your comment wasn't posted yet when I hit reply.

Happens to me all the time, BVTW. I should have suspected as much. Carry on.

Unky Buck's picture

I'm with you, Andy. There is no upside in scheduling a team like Louisville. Currently there is too much to lose and nothing really to gain. It's the same notion I mentioned to Hail not too long ago about how playing a team twice in a year is a lose-lose situation for the team that wins the first game. There's no upside there and there is no upside in scheduling a team like Louisville until the get into the ACC (Louisville respectively...any other major conference for the rest).

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AndyVance's picture

Good point, and that makes sense relative to the possibility of playing TTUN twice this year... I hadn't given it that sort of thought, choosing to enjoy the opportunity to see them beaten twice in one season.
I'm starting to think that beating a ranked Nebraska team (or perhaps Michigan State) would be the best case scenario for the B1G title match, relative to improving our resume.

GOSUBUcks's picture

It's just like they said. If it was true, we would back out because we get no value from scheduling Louisville. If we would win that game then we did what we were supposed to do and no one would really reward us for it. If we would lose then we would be out of the championship race and the perception of our program would be damaged by a program not so far from Columbus. 

bassplayer7770's picture

Whut?  Why would the media just make stuff up to make tOSU look bad?  *rolls eyes at media*

Seabass1974's picture

According to the tweet at the bottom of the article, it sounds like Pat Forde is full of shit and making things up. That doesn't sound like anything new though.

The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender. - Woody Hayes

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ChazBuckeye's picture

Thanks Kyle, I sure like the truth over media spun misinformation.  Coming from Pat Forde to begin with...can't trust anything he or Matt Hayes says (you could throw Clay Travis in there too).  

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

unknownmusketeer's picture

I accept all of the upvotes on Kyle's behalf. Unfortunately, he could not accept them in person as ... well ... [Emmy music starts]. Thanks Mom!

bigbadbuck's picture

I'd like to know WHEN Louisville "tried" to schedule the Bucks. Was it after San Diego was scheduled? My understanding was that there wasn't too much time to fill the schedule, or am I wrong about that?  Also I never heard that both Tennessee and Vandy backed out of series with the Bucks. So with those 2 and Georgia backing out of games means 3 teams from the all powerful $EC decided for whatever reason not to go ahead with scheduled games ?......Sounds like some teams are just scared. Also is it just me or does it sound like Pat Forde only  wrote half an article?

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.            

AndyVance's picture

The Georgia series, if I recall, was scuttled because of the ill-fated B1G-PAC12 alliance that never happened.

bigbadbuck's picture

You are right Andy.  I stand corrected

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.            

TMac's picture

Maybe Forde meant to say Louisville wished they had tried to add the Buckeyes......

tennbuckeye19's picture

FWIW: Forde lives in Louisville and is a jock-sniffer when it comes to U of L athletics. 

jeremytwoface's picture

I think I heard someone mention this a while back after we destroyed FAMU...
 
But anything Forde says, I ignore.

The first man gets the Oyster, the second man gets the shell.

tennbuckeye19's picture

According to this article, Ohio State canceled both the series with Georgia and with Tennessee, not the other way around.
 

RedStorm45's picture

Cleared space for that potential Big 10/Pac-12 thing.  And the upcoming 9-game conference schedule.

Unky Buck's picture

You are correct, Tenn. I know this was brought up on Friday on the poll question. It had everything to do with the now defunct Pac-12/B1G alliance and the move to a 9 game schedule, as Redstorm pointed out.

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AndyVance's picture

That failed debacle has caused us no end of grief - while Tennessee is down and out, and Georgia is perennially overrated, we need to play more SEC teams, period.

Unky Buck's picture

I understood the Georgia cancelation. As much as I want to play Georgia, at the time I understood it. We were likely going to be adding a strong opponent from the Pac-12 so creating room for that was pivotal...well, until it blew up at least.
As for Tennessee, I'd like to have them on the schedule as well but in 2018 we would have had TCU, UNC, and Tenn as out of conference opponents. In a 9 game conference schedule, that is one tough OOC to deal with and you can make the case that currently Tenn is the weaker of 3 schools. Cutting it down to TCU, UNC, and a likely MAC opponent is still pretty good, IMO at least.
I do wish they would revisit the 2 matchups, particularly Georgia, and maybe they will down the road, but it looks like a pretty full slate with Oklahoma (2016-2017), UNC (2017-2018), TCU (2018-2019), Oregon and BC (2020-2021), and Texas (2022-2023). You could probably squeeze Tenn in there with Texas, but no need to jump on that quite yet as you really don't want to schedule 2 marquee matchups and if both are back to their historical relevance, that would be tough. If I had to guess, it won't be until after the Texas matchups if they do it at all.

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AndyVance's picture

Solid analysis, my friend. The 2015 schedule is the one that needs the most help right now - next year's slate looks like a vast improvement from this year's, so perhaps the stars will align and we'll find something better to tide us over until the bigger OOC matchups down the line.

Unky Buck's picture

Yeah, 2015 is worse than this year. We at least have 1 marquee matchup, but when NIU is considered your next best opponent (yeah, right now they're good but come on...) then your schedule is pretty crappy. They really should dump WMU and try and pull in a lower tier major conference team for a one game series and hand them a little cash. I'd much rather take a Syracuse or ISU over WMU.

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AndyVance's picture

Totally agree. NIU at least has the "BCS Buster" tag going for it, but WMU has no place on our schedule. If we're going for some MACtion, it at least needs to be the top end of the MAC, or have an Ohio tie, period.

Norwalk's picture

+1, If we are going to play a MAC team it should be one of their best and from Ohio.

cplunk's picture

So Kyle Rowland spent five minutes doing this thing that journalists used to do, called fact-checking, and disproved this. Forde might want to try that fact checking thing sometime.

babbski's picture

Why would Forde do that? He obviously has no interest in being a journalist!

extemporary08's picture

Courts have ruled that media outlets can KNOWINGLY LIE

Shayla39's picture

I just love that Pat is a contributor to the BIG network!  Great work BIG!

dubjayfootball90's picture

Every time I see Pat Forde I just want to deliver a five-fingered death punch right in his suck-hole...

OSUStu's picture

Speaking of Louisville, Forde looks and acts like he has been kicked in the head by a three-year-old thoroughbred.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

Hovenaut's picture

Looks like Pat Forde failed to exercise some journalistic due diligence in cooking up this story.

Kudos to Kyle (again) for putting forth the effort.

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

FROMTHE18's picture

lols at Forde, dude continues to prove how worthless he is as a sports journalist.

Chief B1G Dump's picture

I will once again state that Pat Forde is a piece of garbage.  I wont publicly state why but I know what this bozo is up to, first hand.  
I cannot understand why these hacks are employed.  There are a large contingent of the Forde type who are more science fiction writers than journalists....
 

Poison nuts's picture

I wont publicly state why but I know what this bozo is up to, first hand.

Come on now. No teasing!

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

cal3713's picture

Didn't we schedule FAMU (not SDSU) when Vandy backed out of the schedule?  

J.Mo's picture

No FAMU was scheduled with interest that they bring their band which is entertaining. 
Originally the Buckeyes had Vandy and Cal scheduled - two BCS conference teams. SDSU is the replacement for Vandy.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Nope. But that is the common assumption.
FAMU was always on the schedule. Vandy backed out and OSU scheduled SDSU.

thetothmancometh's picture

Pat Forde        ✔  @YahooForde  
Dash error: I misunderstood when Louisville tried to schedule Ohio State. Wasn't for 2013. Will correct the column. Apology for the error.
 
Looks like Kyle was on top of this one. 

thetothmancometh's picture
jeremytwoface's picture

Wha wha whaaat???
Pat Forde apologizing for a thing??

The first man gets the Oyster, the second man gets the shell.

bigbadbuck's picture

I'm wondering if he would have caught his "error" if it hadnt been pointed out to him 12 ways from Sunday

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.            

Denny's picture

Pat Forde thinks McFadden's is a good OSU bar. QED.

Taquitos.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

The cesspool or cesspools. Smells like a fat chicks moist butthole.

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Buckeyeneer's picture

You paint a vivid picture with the English language, my friend. Think I'll skip dinner tonight.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

BuckeyeVet's picture

Wrong kinda post here, perhaps. The fair sex does frequent this site (and they all seem to know their football).

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx 
 

Jonnferrell's picture

Yes, but continued good luck in the romance area.

"I'm still hungry." --Brady Hoke

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

Ok ok I know it was a bit offensive lol. My apologies. Anyone who has been to this place in DC would understand though.

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I bet Forde is disappointed that he can't use this on BTN tonight.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

gobucks96's picture

So what happens when they say they never contacted each other at all? Forde is caught in yet another lie....

niblick's picture

hey Pat, how's Kyle's nuts taste?

D. Anthony's picture

I'm tired of hearing how Cal fell off a cliff and Vandy backed out...the problem is the BIG fell off a cliff. We should be like the SEC and PAC 12 where it's nice if your scheduled pre-conference games turn out to be decent but they don't make or break your strength of schedule because enough of your conference opponents are very solid.

D. Anthony

teddyballgame's picture

So true.  What has happened to the b1g?  Feels like it's been declining for a few years now...

Buckeyeneer's picture

Sadly for the last few years it seems that we are always saying that the B1G is garbage this year. If we keep saying it year after year we are just garbage. I wish some of our B1G brethren would step it up. At least Rutgers is recruiting well. Perhaps they'll make our schedule better. . . . man that makes me sad to type that.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

ScarletNGrey01's picture

Not sure the Pac12 is all that great aside from Oregon.  The SEC has been mired in a lot of controversy lately with a lot of ex-players from various teams coming out that they received impermissible benefits, that house of cards could fall in the next few years.  The B1G needs to spend more on coaching staffs including assistants like the SEC does.  The bucks now do that, UM is now doing and the rest will catch up sooner or later.  Great basketball conference, great academics, agreed the conference overall needs to improve the football programs and overcome (besides the big 2) the tendency of kids to want to have fun in the sun, in part with great coaching and facilities.  Having a conference championship was another big step.  Hopefully the bucks can just take care of business, looks like their OOC schedule is improving somewhat in the seasons to come, and the playoffs will help the cause.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

AndyVance's picture

D, that's fair criticism, but I think part of the B1G's problems, at least at the upper end of the conference, is what Beau Bishop today on WBNS-FM referred to as "the Oregonification of college football." With so many teams throwing up video game statlines, the type of football played at Michigan State, for example, doesn't turn many heads. They have been pretty darn stout this year, but they're getting absolutely no respect. Contrast that with a Florida team that looks like crap, and will have to lose at least three games before they fall out of the rankings, and maybe four.
I'm not saying the bottom half of the conference is anything to write home about, but the "old school" in the trenches warfare played by Iowa, Michigan State, Wisconsin and to a lesser degree, Penn State, just doesn't look "sexy" to the "I like shiny things" AP voter or sports media talking head.

BuckeyeVet's picture

Well said, Andy.

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx 
 

Jonnferrell's picture

All we need is for the Big10 to take care of business come bowl season.  Beat the other conferences and that will take care of things.  Michigan State just needs that stout defense to shut down an Oregon team and the like, then score enough to win.  Win the bowl games--send them back to their conferences with a a big loss.  The Big Ten will be back.

"I'm still hungry." --Brady Hoke

Unky Buck's picture

All we need is for the Big10 to take care of business come bowl season.

So much this. Perception is taken care of when you are playing teams of equal "caliber" from another conference, and you win those games; bowl games are where that happens. It's even bigger for the B1G when nearly half of those games come against the SEC. If we can handle business there, the perception will start to change. Until then, it'll be the same old rhetoric on repeat...

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Pat Forde, we've got just two words for ya!...

Class of 2010.

hetuck's picture

Suspect the revised version will say Louisville wanted home & home, but OSU said no. Offered paycheck game only. Don't forget OSU is facing a six-game home schedule soon. That has enormous budget implications. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

Michael Citro's picture

I once felt compelled to write about Pat Forde at our old haunt. If anyone cares to relive old times, you can find the story here:

http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2011/08/the-alleged-new-letter-maybe-it-go...

 

sb97's picture

Just like with Wetzel.  I respect any sports media member that owns up to a mistake.

Knarcisi's picture

This is what happens in journalism when you are blinded by bias. 

AJW_16's picture

It doesn't surprise me that it was Forde who made this mistake - not that I think he is a journalist with any kind of axe to grind against OSU (maybe he is, who knows), but rather because it seems like Forde just isn't doing his homework anymore. It's one thing to have an opinion about something; it's another thing entirely when you are given a podium to express that opinion and you do not have good info to back it up. Point in case: if you read Forde's column after the NW win, it was obvious he 1. was not familiar in any way with the Carlos Hyde case and, 2. did not watch the Wisconsin game. To me, Forde will always be lame and lazy, not a troll like others (cough, Matt Hayes, cough cough).

"Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you." 

MN Buckeye's picture

not that I think he is a journalist with any kind of axe to grind against OSU

AJW, you must mean, 'not that I think he is a journalist'.

bucksfan92's picture

First of all Forde is a piece of scum who is not worthy of attention. Second of all, we need to get UTenn and UGA back on the scheudle now that the B1G-PAC alliance has dissolved. 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I don't see that happening. At the moment, Tenn wouldn't help Ohio State's schedule.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

jccavanaugh's picture

When Georgia nearly loses to Tennessee: "Man, the SEC is TOUGH! Georgia has the roughest schedule!"
If Ohio State nearly lost to Tennessee: "Man, Ohio State is terrible."

45has2's picture

Pat Forde: Another proud Wal Mart J School grad.

"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

buckeyefanatic's picture

How many batteries does it take to beat Michigan football?   1AA
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