Big Daddy in Pieces

By Ramzy Nasrallah on June 11, 2013 at 11:30a
Unblockable/ImmovableAugust 1993: First-team All-America linemen Dan Wilkinson and the late Korey Stringer pose in Ohio Stadium.

Eleven Warriors recently wrote and edited this season's edition of Lindy's in the Huddle magazine previewing the 2013 Buckeyes. It will be available online and in fine stores in the coming weeks.

One of the stories in the magazine looks 20 years back at the 1993 team that made Ohio State football a national brand again while transforming the perception of a program that had slipped from its historical perch atop the Big Ten.

It includes several anecdotes from All America DT Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkinson, whose exceptional play in 1993 helped him become the first pick in the 1994 NFL Draft. Wilkinson shared several stories with me from that memorable season that I wasn't able to fit into the magazine story.

So what follows are the deleted scenes from my interviews with Big Daddy. Enjoy, and set aside ten bucks for when the best Ohio State preseason magazine and keepsake goes on sale very shortly.

Ohio State (8-0; #3) at Wisconsin (7-1; #15) | Nov 6, 1993

DW: Man, they were already throwing snowballs at us during the pregame warm-ups. It was like 15 degrees before kickoff. I'm from Dayton and I know cold. That was cold.

We went back into the locker room, then packed into that tunnel to come back on the field for the game. As we got near the end of the tunnel, coaches turned their heads back at us and started shouting frantically to keep our helmets on. KEEP YOUR HELMETS ON! DON'T TAKE THEM OFF! KEEP YOUR HELMETS ON!

They were still throwing snowballs, but now they were hurling cans of beers of beer at us too. Full cans, man. Unopened cans. 

Now it had dropped to like ten degrees. We knew Wisconsin had talent, but back then they were the kind of team that tried so hard and then after you beat them you’d spank their butts and give them an attaboy. That didn’t happen this time.

The Bucks didn't take their helmets off in Madison.

We just did not play very well. Quite frankly, we were lucky to get out of there with a tie. Wisconsin got up for us big time. Big time. Cory Raymer became a good friend of mine when we were both with the Redskins. They knew Ohio State didn’t give Wisconsin the full attention it deserved like we do now.

From that game on, Ohio State put more emphasis on Wisconsin. We let them sneak up on us and we just got lucky. Marlon (Kerner) blocked a field goal to keep us from losing that game.

But credit Wisconsin: They seemed to have a plan for everything we tried to do. We tried to figure them out defensively and make them one-dimensional and get them to make mistakes, but they kept us off balance so well that we never got anything going.

We struggled to contain them. But we kept our helmets on, man. That entire game we kept our helmets on.

Final score: Ohio State 14, Wisconsin 14

OHIO STATE (1-0; #16) VS. WASHINGTON (1-0; #12) | SEPT 11, 1993

DW: That was our first night game. Man, that was really cool.

We had a lot of talent, but we really didn’t know just how much we had. You could see it in practice, and the week before we just killed a team even though we were all looking forward to the Washington game.


RN: You beat Rice 34-7 the first week. They got a garbage time touchdown as the game ended to spoil the shutout.

DW: Yeah. We all looked at the next game as an opportunity to put Ohio State back on the map. Washington had a ton of talent and had just finished a run with Don James. A lot of the guys on that team had won a national title.

We decided that beating them would take the program to another level where we were the ones being talked about. We didn't want to hear about Washington anymore. We wanted people talking about Ohio State again.

Also, we were on national television. That was a national game. Now you kind of take that for granted, but back then it was Notre Dame and whoever was in the top five on TV every week. These days people would freak out if Ohio State wasn’t on television.

The Shoe was just electric that night. We played really well. After that game people started talking about Ohio State again.

Final score: Ohio State 21, Washington 12

OHIO STATE (2-0; #11) AT PITTSBURGH (1-1) | SEPT 18, 1993

DW: We were literally yawning during warmups, man. Literally yawning.

RN: You spent all your energy getting up for Washington.

DW: Definitely. You looked around the field and so many of the guys in white jerseys were just yawning.

We came off of such an emotional high that we were in total letdown mode. We had to fight to keep our mojo going. Then Butler (By’not’e) returned the opening kick for a touchdown and that just made us even more comfortable.


We knew we were really good after we beat Washington. After we played like that and still did that to Pitt, we knew we had something.

RN: Mark May still hasn't forgiven you.

DW: What?

RN: Never mind.

Final score: Ohio State 63, Pittsburgh 28. 

OHIO STATE (4-0; #6) AT ILLINOIS (1-3) | OCT 9, 1993
OHIO STATE (5-0; #5) VS MICHIGAN STATE (3-1; #25) | OCT 16, 1993

DW: That Illinois game was a hotly-contested game. That was a damn fight. Michigan State was the same way. Both of those teams tried to make a splash against us. 

RN: Illinois had lost heartbreakers to Oregon and Arizona. Michigan State had just kicked Michigan's ass. One was a wounded animal; the other had its hair on fire.

Wilkinson with Luke Fickell during the Washington game.

DW: We were getting a lot of headlines every week and we started to get that big target. Well, Michigan State and Illinois jumped all over that. Those games were wars.

RN: Back then Illinois regularly gave Ohio State fits. They still do. Man, that's weird.

DW: We came out ready to play again them.

RN: So no yawning during warmups, then.

DW: None. I think we forced a fumble on the first play of the game [Ed. Yes] and we ended up scoring. [Ed. Yes]

RN: You guys went up early and got conservative on the road. Coop decided to win with defense, which seems to be what Ohio State always does in Champaign. Man, that's weird.

DW: We held them in check. That was a tough game.

RN: The following week at home they recognized the 25th anniversary of the 1968 team that won the national championship. You guys were undefeated and ranked in the top five. 

DW: I got hurt in that game. I remember watching from the sideline and wishing I could get back out there.

RN: Herbstreit was a sideline reporter that game, chasing around his former teammates for interviews. One year earlier against Michigan State he played really well and beat them in East Lansing.

we were not up for every week. Washington? We were up. Pitt? We were YAWNING.DW: Herbstreit was there? (laughs) I don't remember that. I just remember how intense the game was. Those two weeks highlighted the quiet problem we were having that season. We were just too temperamental. Up and down, up and down, every week.

Teams kept coming out and trying to make their big splash against us. You can tell when teams are up for you, and it was happening every week. No one took the week off against us. They kept on fighting us, but we were not up for every week. Washington? We were up. Pitt? We were yawning. 

And when you go from blowout to close game to blowout to close game and you're playing down to your competition, that's a problem. Emotionally we weren't nearly as good as we were physically. At that point it hadn't bitten us yet. We were just an undefeated team that was up and down emotionally.

Final scores: Ohio State 20, Illinois 12 | Ohio State 28, Michigan State 21

Ohio State (3-0; #7) vs Northwestern (2-1) | Oct 2, 1993

DW: All I remember about Northwestern was that they fought us like crazy.

RN: That game wasn't even televised.

DW: Well, they fought us for 60 minutes.

RN: And then you spanked their butts and gave them an attaboy.

DW: Probably.

Final score: Ohio State 51, Northwestern 3

OHIO STATE (7-0; #3) VS PENN STATE (5-1; #12) | OCT 30, 1993

DW: We got up for Penn State, man.

RN: I was there. It was obvious.

DW: I had very close friends on that Penn State team. They had a lot of Ohio guys that we bumped heads with in high school. Like Ki-Jana Carter.

RN: From Westerville. Losing him to Penn State stunk, but Ohio State's running backs were still okay when he was at Penn State [Ed. Robert Smith, Raymont Harris and Eddie George]

DW: They had a lot of talented guys. Kerry Colins, O.J. McDuffie, Bobby Engram, Kyle Brady, just a lot of really good athletes. It was cold, wet and rainy. As players we were still kind of surprised that Penn State had joined the Big Ten. We liked it. They were a top level program and it gave the conference credibility. 

But there was no way we were going to allow them to play with us. No way.

DW: We talked before the game that allowing Penn State to come in and compete for championships with us and Michigan was unacceptable. Our main thing was controlling scrimmage, controlling the tempo and really controlling all aspects of the game. 

We got up for Penn State. That was definitely one of the weeks that we were on our game. We wanted to teach those boys a lesson. It was cold and sloppy and after a few possessions we were in their heads. We knew what they were going to try to do and just ate it up.

RN: The defense forced five turnovers. Hard to lose when you do that.

DW: Penn State was really good, but they had no chance that day. We were up. When we were up that year, look out.

Final score: Ohio State 24, Penn State 6

OHIO STATE (9-0-1; #5) AT MICHIGAN (6-4) | NOV 20, 1993

DW: That was the strangest game. It was the strangest couple of days leading up to a game. Like a bad spirit came over our team and smothered us with a blanket.

I was so confident that we were going to go into Michigan Stadium and beat those guys, but from the moment we got off the bus we just felt defeated.


DW: We had no emotion. We had no hype. From the first five, six minutes of the game I’m in the huddle and looking around at some of the guys and most of them looked like they had seen a ghost. It was one of the weirdest things.

We weren't up or down. We just weren't even there. We were possessed, in a bad way.

Had we won we would gone to the Rose Bowl. Were were damn deer in headlights the whole game. I know Columbus puts a lot of pressure on us. When Michigan plays us these days, I know their guys feel drained before The Game even starts.

Their boosters and alumni put that kind of pressure on them. We've gotta get this game. We've gotta get this game. There’s a lot of baggage they carry coming into our stadium.

from the moment we got off the bus we just felt defeated.But back in 1993 that’s how we felt. We knew we needed to get that game and it just happened to be key to our national championship aspirations. That was a lot of weight and we didn’t carry it well. It was like 500-lb bags the on our backs the whole game.

We forgot about having fun and flying around. Everything we were built on collapsed in that game. It was the worst college experience I had.

RN: 10-1-1 and a shared title still isn't terrible.

DW: 10-1-1 was a letdown. We had much bigger dreams than that. We aimed much higher than that. We had an opportunity to be in Pasadena playing for a national championship. We let ourselves and everyone down going to the Holiday Bowl.

RN: Which you still won.

DW: It was a disappointment and a letdown just being there. From the Rose Bowl to the Holiday Bowl? That’s a big swing of events. We were able to muster up the sprit to win but it was still a downer. The Holiday Bowl was the furthest thing from our goals.

That bitter taste never goes away. Michigan guys in the NFL reminded me of that game for ten years. I left Ohio State with that team up north having bragging rights on me for [shouting] THE REST OF MY LIFE.

When you go to Ohio State, it becomes your soul mate forever. I’m in a room with Michigan guys and I have to sit in a corner and be quiet. We’ve been successful since (against Michigan) but in my era I wasn’t. That’s an emotional scar I'll carry forever. I still feel the pain in my gut whenever Michigan comes up. 

It just never goes away. It never goes away. It never goes away.

Final score: Michigan 28, Ohio State 0


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jedkat's picture

RN: Mark May still hasn't forgiven you.
DW: What?
RN: Never mind.

Gold, man. Pure gold.

"Can we please stop the message board fighting? I really can't stand the message board fighting..."

"No. You're an idiot, and your posts are terrible."

OSUs12-OH's picture

Love it!  His response was just as funny as the statement;-)

"I want a hungry team. I want a team that can't wait to get out there. I want an angry team! You're the Ohio State Buckeyes. You're an angry football team. You're a hungry football team and I'm proud to be your coach." UFM

Ethos's picture

I hope Urban Meyer uses this interview as motivation this year.  *evil smile*

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

Stinson's picture

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes


"It just never goes away. It never goes away. It never goes away."
And some Buckeye fans want that piece of trash team and their fatass coach to be good??? "It's good for the B10 that we have a good *ichigan team" ??? If you watched those games through the 90's and still say the aforementioned then not only are you fake buckeye fan your less than a man.. We got SOME pay-back with JT but like Big Daddy said THOSE losses never go away...


TMargo's picture

They never will go away.....basically from the time I was 7 yrs old all the way thru my freshman year of college, I dealt with late November pain and anguish (that lasted a lot longer than November). 
2-10-1 WILL NOT and SHOULD NOT ever be forgotten. 

tennbuckeye19's picture

Yeah the Cooper era took me from elementary school through college as well. I remember those years for all the great players and some great teams. Those were the players I pretended to be when I played football in the backyard. Those were the teams I watched and went to see play @ the Shoe. But for all the excitement and love I had for them, I also felt a lot of disappointment with those teams, especially in late November (2-10-1 against UM) and the beginning of January (3-8 in bowl games).
The Cooper era for me is very much a 'what could've been' time for OSU football. 

Maffro's picture

And some Buckeye fans want that piece of trash team and their fatass coach to be good??? "It's good for the B10 that we have a good *ichigan team" ??? If you watched those games through the 90's and still say the aforementioned then not only are you fake buckeye fan your less than a man.. We got SOME pay-back with JT but like Big Daddy said THOSE losses never go away...

Yes, it is good for the conference. The Game is better. Saying so doesn't make people "fake Buckeye fans," because no one actually wants us to LOSE to Michigan. They can be as good as they want as long as they don't beat us. And it makes it sweeter when we do get that payback, because I know that somewhere down the line, Hart and Henne et al. will give a similar interview. And I hope that goes for Green, Peppers, and co. as well.

CowCat's picture

LOL.  There's the spirit.
I graduated in 1993.   I never saw a win against Michigan during my time in college.
But, I've never been happier in my life than in 2001 when Tressel kept his word, or 2005 when Troy and Gonzo took it to them in Ann Arbor. :)

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

dan_isaacs's picture

Man, did I love Raymont.  :)

Sorry for Big Daddy, but to know that bicycle boy carries that pain with him, too, is heartwarming.

Dan Isaacs

mh277907's picture

Forgive me as I had a couple random thoughts while reading and watching the videos -
-"We had no emotion. We had no hype." ... For the Michigan game???
-Taunting and celebrating was waaaaaaay more rampant back in '93. I kinda like players being able to grab the camera on the sidelines after making a big play and talk into it. With fines and penalties, the NCAA and NFL have definitely changed that aspect of the game.
-I kinda dig Pitt's unis in '93.


Chief B1G Dump's picture

That's the difference between then and now...if you look back through the 90's, we really had superior teams to TTUN (with the exception of 97).  For all intents and purposes, we should have smashed those guys and just ended up totally sh!tting the bed.  All about that emotion, mentality and vibe.  Tress and now Urbs, really get that.  It clearly got away from Cooper.  He hauled in talent on par with Tress and Urbs, he just didn't manage and harness it like the latter - It's like Cooper had a thoroughbread and was just letting it run around the track with no guidance and race management.
Also, I 1000% agree with the celebrating.  I wish it was still permissable (ie Icky Shuffle).  I'm there to be entertained, not a sterile business environment that I live in 5-6 days a week.

TMargo's picture

No one took their helmet off after a big play like Joey G did.  As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure the rule enforcement that did away with helmet removal was referred to as the "Joey Galloway" rule. 
*side note: Nothing has looked cooler than the hemmed up jersey look of the 80's and early 90's.  I think Eddie was the last Buckeye to rock it before it went away.  Was there a rule prohibiting it or did it just fade away?  Wish it would come back if still allowed. 

jthiel09's picture

The Mark May comment was priceless ... great work.


Hovenaut's picture

I was in the Navy in the early 90's, spent most of that season at sea. Kept up with the scores via fax, posted every Sunday morning outside my ship's central command - although I had a buddy in radio control that had the scores by late Saturday. Had some good pals on my boat from Washington state and Pennsylvania, and thoroughly enjoyed the wins over Washington, Penn State and Pitt (f u Mayday).

'93 felt like Ohio State was back at the table, and I thought they might go all the way. Even after the Wisconsin tie I felt we still had a shot. I'll stop the regular season reminiscing right there.

Made it home (also Pennsylvania at the time) for the holidays, and remember watching the Holiday Bowl and The Quiet Storm unloading on BYU in the Holiday Bowl. Was at some college bar in Indiana, Pa with some high school buddies - closet Pitt/Penn State fans - downing Yuengling and enjoying Buckeye football.

That was a good team. Appreciate the revisit with Big Daddy, thanks Ramzy.

Breakawayspeed's picture

Man!  Joey Galloway was one mean mofo! 

HighBallAce's picture

Those years were hard to deal with losing to TTUN so much!
I had forgotten that Korey Stringer passed away! Very sad..

CowCat's picture

Big Daddy seems like an eloquent guy.  Very well spoken.
It's kind of revealing in his statements, though, how up-and-down the team was under Cooper.   Some games they thought were guaranteed.   Some teams seemingly were underestimated.
Cooper certainly could get talent, but the consistency we've experienced under "lunch pail attitude" Jim Tressel or "you better bust your *ss to be on this team" Urban Meyer can't be taken for granted.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

harleymanjax's picture

I loved Big Daddy in college, as a Bengals fan though..........HUGE disappointment!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

babbski's picture

Ramzy, I love this. I was a freshman back in '93 and this conjured up some great memories - particularly that Penn State game. I remember the cold rain turning into snow as Raymont carried the team on his back like a grown ass man, then we and the rest of the student section rushed the field after the win. The jerseys that year with the black sleeve numbers looked pretty badass, especially when covered in mud that day.

jmoore3309's picture

I remember that year so well.  The build up to the Washington game was special and like he said, even fans recognized it as an opportunity to get us back on the map.  The road trip to Illinois was fun as it exercised some demons.  I remember wiping about 5 inches of snow off my seat prior to the PSU game and then the terrible condition of the field afterward.  Your foot sunk into the mud several inches.
The Wisconsin game was a roller coaster of emotions as the collar was starting to get a little tighter.  Galloway had a great TD to tie it on a pass form Powers and then the relief when the FG was blocked.  I can still hear Keith Jackson calling it.  "Blocked", "Ohio State....Blocked it"
The utter devastation of sitting in that big hole in the ground as the clocked ticked down on the shut out. That was a talented team, but as he noted, they did blow hot an cold. 
I already had my flight to California, so like the Bucks I had to end the season at a game I didn't want to be at. 

Go Bucks!