Report: Three Freshman Ohio State Football Players Linked to Alleged Rape

By 11W Staff on March 12, 2013 at 6:22p
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WSYX, the ABC affiliate for Columbus, is reporting three Ohio State freshman football players are linked to an alleged rape case [Ed - WSYX pulled the story from their site, but stood by the report on their 11 p.m. newscast.] due to their names surfacing in a search warrant filed by the OSU police department.

The alleged victim reported the incident to police In November. She says It happened after a party in October. She tells police she and two friends met three football players and she went back to their room with one of them.

She said they were "fooling around" in his bed when a second player started touching her. She said she didn't want to do that so she went into the bathroom. There she told police, the second player forced her to have oral sex.

In the search warrant, police say the first player said the girl came back to his room with him, and he got into his bed. He said she jumped on top of him and started kissing  him. After a while, he decided didn't want to do that because he had a girlfriend back home.

Details are sparse right now and WSYX 6 was unable to get a comment out of anyone at Ohio State, with the school saying it was an "ongoing investigation."

The report further alleges that one of the players involved left the team last week. It's not difficult to figure out who they are referring to, but it's also worth pointing out that we shouldn't rush to judgment on any details of this case.

We'll have more as this develops.

UPDATE [8:58 p.m. ET]: WSYX yanked the story from their website.

UPDATE [11:28 p.m. ET]: WSYX reported on the story again during their 11 p.m. newscast.

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ih8rolltyde's picture

No bueno. Legal system stuff now. Let's try not to rush to any judgements.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

Chief B1G Dump's picture

The story was yanked. Not going to speculate on what is a horrible situation, no matter the outcome. However, I do have a gripe with ABC 6. I can not believe they would not protect the names on the document, including the alleged victim. Completely irresponsiblE. Way too early to implicate anybody like this and just pure horrible coverage.
Also irresponsible is the article, that they know will be national news, how poorly it was written. It read like 5 year old tweeted it.

BED's picture

That's how channel 6 rolls.  Lantern alumni, most likely.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

Statutoryglory's picture

Who was Pittman's roomie?  Prob one of the dudes.  

kareemabduljacobb's picture

David Perkins was I think

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Nevermind Perkins was Spence's roommate as freshman.. not sure about now.

osu07asu10's picture

Guess I can put my Boom Perkins starting at MIKE theory to rest...
EDIT: it lives on!

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

kareemabduljacobb's picture

No I misread the OZONE article about Spence last year, it had mentioned Pittman but the quote from Perkins was talking about Spence in which they said that Perkins was Spence's roommate, not Pittmans.  My bad.

builderofcoalitions's picture

Maybe one is gone, but two are still around. This is not good.

Because we couldn't go for three.

dan_isaacs's picture

Urbz doesn't fuck around with this shit, either.  I frankly don't care who it is, expel them.

Dan Isaacs

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

but it's also worth pointing out that we shouldn't rush to judgment on any details of this case.

 

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Boom777's picture

What about the name drop in the sentence before that one...oops

Wherever you are, there you be!

dan_isaacs's picture

Of course, it's not unreasonable to consider she's lying.  Women do that from time to time.  We'll let the system figure this out, but if they are guilty, they ought to be (and I trust will be) gone.

Dan Isaacs

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I can agree with that, as long as we classify it with the ever important "If they are guilty."  Off the team for sure and out of school.

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81Alum's picture

You got downvoted for this? I upvoted you and give you a +1!

SC Buckeye's picture

Serial Downvoter?  Upvote your way...

Boom777's picture

He struck again!!!

Wherever you are, there you be!

buckeyepastor's picture

Dan - I'm thinking if you look at the list of freshmen not 100% clear for spring practice, the other two are among them.  Seeing on here that Dodson is possibly #2.  I would expect Urban to have whoever else is involved among those not fully clear to practice while this is being investigated, but I could be wrong.    

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

steensn's picture

This seems like a grey box worthy event...
EDIT: for the down voter, the first grey box ever was Tategate...

RedStorm45's picture

How are three players linked?  I only see "first player" and "second player."
 
Also, ABC did a pretty bad job on this write-up.  Missing a lot of words which confused me reading it.

builderofcoalitions's picture

I wonder if there was a text or phone conversation with a third party. It could at least be another player who saw them all enter the same room. Who knows?

Because we couldn't go for three.

steensn's picture

Pretty soon they will be linked by both being former Buckeye Football players...

builderofcoalitions's picture

Let's hope.

Because we couldn't go for three.

Buckeyeneer's picture

That's what I was wondering. Sounds like the third player just met the girls at the party but had nothing to do with the questionable things that occurred.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

BROSEPH's picture

Yikes.  I have a feeling the National Media are going to be excited with a headline for this one.  

millertime2011's picture

Let's not rush to judgment. We all remember what happened when pretty much the entire country did that in the Duke lacrosse case. 

BROSEPH's picture

Yeah, but that case unfairly ruined those boys' education and chance at athletics.  They canceled the season if I'm not mistaken only to later be found not guilty on all charges.  Yeah, the law settled it, but it took awhile and got messy.  It ruined their reputations (school and individuals) for awhile, even if the same thing happens here, no doubt it adds to the national reputation that OSU football is shady.  

kevinfrenchfry's picture

the three players that were involved, one was a senior, the other two transferred to loyola and brown, so they were able to get their degrees thankfully

cinserious's picture

This especially sheds a negative light on Ohio football in general with all the Steubenville garbage going on.

Gone ham, be back soon...

AndyVance's picture

This is one of the things I had in mind when I wrote a few weeks ago about avoiding the appearance of impropriety. Hitting the High Street, sorority or apartment party scene and then going behind closed doors with a member of the opposite sex is a bad idea for these young men for a host of reasons, not the least of which is not putting yourself in position to be "linked" or "implicated" in these types of allegations.
Collegiate athletes simply cannot risk putting themselves in compromising positions, either to do things they shouldn't be doing (sexual assault, accepting impermissible benefits, trading golden pants for tattoos, etc.) or to be accused of such unfairly. If you're not there, you can't be guilty.
It goes without saying, of course, that if any of our players are guilty of these types of crimes, they should be severely punished by the legal and university authorities, which I have no doubt will happen. Likewise, if they have been falsely accused, as in the Duke Lacrosse debacle, that is equally reprehensible because of the long-term damage such accusations cause regardless of culpability.

popeurban's picture

Andy, do you mean that players should not go to parties or be alone with non girlfriends?  I can wish for players to limit their liability, but realistically, let us think back to the temptations of our youth and then magnify those by one million.  Players are treated like gods and thus, are tempted to a far greater level.  Not an excuse, but I also understand when they live their lives and are social.
Again, I wish they would lock themselves in their room and study, but I also understand they are human.  
Note: in no way was this post meant to condone the allegations in this case. 

AndyVance's picture

Yes, this is exactly what I mean. Woody's admonition that "nothing good happens after Midnight" was based on exactly the same philosophy. Your observation that these young men are treated like gods is all the support my argument needs: the temptations are many and the stakes extremely high.
Be beyond reproach... If you're going to party, going back to a room with a young lady, especially an inebriated young lady, is a recipe for disaster. 

ERIC OSU's picture

I understand your heart is in the right place here man, but your last comments about condoning athletes or students in general from "going out" and then "going home" with other coeds is frankly way out of touch with reality..
Regardless this is potentially a terrible and disturbing situation... Let's let the investigation run its course

AndyVance's picture

Out of touch or not, the fact remains that the best way to keep out of trouble is not to put yourself in situations that are likely to lead to trouble. Drinking and ending up in rooms with random women would seem to be pretty high in that list for big-time college football players.
And for the downvoters who apparently think I'm a prude demanding celibacy for these young men, that isn't the point. My admonition isn't about having sex or not, it's about being smart and protecting yourself from potential allegations or actual wrongdoing. Woody gave the same advice, and I'm sure Urban does as well.

popeurban's picture

Point taken Andy, I just don't think your views are realistic.  Altruistic maybe, but realistic no.  This is the society we live in and while I hope, even strive for better, I do not hold it against unmarried athletes who live their lives (legally). 
Again, not condoning the allegations of this case.

AndyVance's picture

Apparently there's something of a consensus that I'm being unrealistic... I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of a coach or a father of these young men, I guess, and would assume their advice would be the same. With all of the potential ways to run afoul of the law or the NCAA - from shady boosters to academic malfeasance - keeping yourself out scenarios where these types of allegations can arise just makes sense. They have too much on the line to lose it all for a random dalliance, in other words.
That said, I agree with you wholeheartedly that I don't hold it against unmarried athletes having consensual sexual relations... on a lighter note, my wife's ongoing joke during football season is when a player makes a big play, saying "He's getting laid tonight." So it's not about being a stick in the mud at all. I'm just having a hard time picturing smart players - say Braxton Miller or Aaron Craft, as examples - putting themselves in such obviously compromising positions.

Statutoryglory's picture

Plus we are living in a different era of sexuality.  These guys have Tinder apps that show them which females in their vicinity are looking for action.  Let alone the other things that go on these days.  

cinserious's picture

Just take a look at some of the MTV music videos nowdays and its no wonder why youths today are highly oversexualized. The rap/pop music/ and dance music videos are just short of softcore porn and the lyrics aren't much cleaner. These same teens and early twenty-somethings then go out at night to clubs and parties and replicate the same debauchery they are bombarded with every day on MTV, in magazines, on the internet, etc.  Just step into one of the nightclubs on Park st in the Arena District on any given weekend and it feels like walking into Soddom and Gommorah!  I know I sound like my grandpa but I'm only 34. It just makes me cringe to think about the culture my young daughter is growing up into. UGGGHH!

Gone ham, be back soon...

Buckeyeneer's picture

MTV has music videos??? Are you sure that you're only 34?
Just pulling your leg, Cinserious. ;-)

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

AndyVance's picture

Right on, Brother. I feel a little older every day; my daughter is only 14 days old... I shudder to think what the culture toward young women will be like in 18 years.
Good thing I've already got my shotgun loaded, I guess. Kind of like that classic line from the 1995 film Clueless: "I've got a .45 and a shovel, I doubt anyone will miss you."

jeremytwoface's picture

I totally agree with you Andy, but I also agree with everyone else.
These kids need to learn to stay away from situations like this, but I'm not sure it's a realistic goal. The "image" that pro athletes and other famous people project filters down to these kids. Like someone above said, a lot of them are treated as local celebrities and want to live the celebrity lifestyle.
They SHOULD act in a responsible way and turn down party invites and not drink with a large group of people and not flirt with girls. But is that realistic for most of these kids? Probably not.
Not saying that's an excuse for anything, but it's just reality.

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

AndyVance's picture

Yes, it's definitely not a black and white type of right/wrong scenario... Good judgment, I guess, is what I'm hoping for. Put succinctly: Party = OK, Taking a drunk chick you just met back to your room = Bad idea.

jeremytwoface's picture

Amen.
I can say with complete honesty that I've made a really really bad decision when drunk before.. I'm sure a lot of us have. It can be easy to have clouded judgment in those situations. Bad ideas don't seem so bad when you are drinking because alcohol directly affects the cerebral cortex which controls your thought processes. Basically, you don't really think about consequences as much.
This works both ways in a case like this... The victim, if impaired by alcohol, might not realize at the time that he/she is making a mistake. That's why the line is so fine.
But, I'm in no way saying being drunk is an excuse for any bad decisions. Especially rape cases.

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

osu07asu10's picture

Until charges are filed, I'm not going to give this much weight.

Not good for the program period to have players allegedly run afoul of the law though. The University doesn't need it, and the BS idea that Urban can't control his players doesn't need it either.

Sometimes, fappin one off in the shower is the better option boys...

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

BSTP DeCon's picture

+1 for using "fappin"

osu07asu10's picture

It's a struggle everyday to find appropriate ways to use the term, today was just a beach ball lobbed out over the plate...

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

buckeyedude's picture

slappin his salami.

 

 

DJRoss926's picture

Sometimes, fappin one off in the shower is the better option boys...

+1 for making me spit out my coffee.

steensn's picture

Hope they don't nd this whole thing...
also, if a guy if forcing you to give him oral I say bite the dang thing off...

kareemabduljacobb's picture

That's why these boys need to watch out for the Jersey chasers.

TheBadOwl's picture

Take this with a MASSIVE grain of salt... and I really don't want to put anything out there that makes a claim about anyone in particular, but...
One of my friends had told me something that sounds similar to this a while ago, and come to think of it, it was in late October, around that time. He told me that a girl he knew met Noah Spence, and that she was drunk, and something something oral sex something something questionable level of consent... I don't quite remember, I obviously didn't hear a firsthand account of it, and what I heard could be completely unrelated or mis-remembered.
We have posters all over the dorms talking about what consent is and what consent isn't, but most people either don't notice them, don't read them, or don't take them seriously. This is by no means a problem limited to a particular group of students (I.E. the football players, before anyone says that they're "out of control"). What constitutes consent is something that is taken very lightly by pretty much everyone who parties, and honestly, the university should do something about it.
Again, don't take me as anything resembling a credible news source, just passing along something I heard a while ago that could perhaps be related to this.
I'm also not sure if I should even be posting this, so mods, if this is something that goes against commenting policy, feel free to remove it.
EDIT: Just read a comment saying that Spence and Pittman were roommates last year. Don't want to jump to any conclusions here, but I wouldn't be shocked if this is what I heard about earlier this year.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Questionable consent sounds like being "sort of" pregnant.  

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builderofcoalitions's picture

If she was intoxicated, that's a lack of consent. If she was coerced in any way - which this story makes it sound as if that's so - then it's rape. I won't jump to conclusions over who did what, but anything that's questionable screams "rape" or sexual assault at the very least. This isn't good no matter how it plays out.

Because we couldn't go for three.

TheBadOwl's picture

I agree wholeheartedly that intoxication means no consent. But again, I heard this from a friend a few months ago who said something pretty vague sounding. Definitely not a great use of the word "questionable", I was just meaning to say that I really didn't hear many details, nor did I want to. 
Again, I'm just passing along something that I heard months ago, so take it with a grain of salt.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

builderofcoalitions's picture

What's sad is that there are those who don't believe this to be true.

Because we couldn't go for three.

Brutus' Left Nut's picture

As a lawyer I can tell you this is not true.  Think about what you are saying and what intoxication means.  In the eyes of the law you are intoxicated after one drop of alcohol.  You are too drunk to drive at .08...a distinction is made based on what level of intoxication impairs judgement.  .08 is like 2 beers.  The threshold for not giving consent is much higher than a drop of alcohol or two beers.  It is a subjective test that require the intoxication renders the alleged victim unable to understand what is going on so that she may consent.
If intoxication means you can't consent, than probably 90% of sex in college would be nonconsensual.  Shit, that means that I had nonconsensual sex this weekend.  Neither party consented...

Brutus Greyshield's picture

The law does not consider you 'intoxicated' after one drop of alcohol. Here's the definition of the word from the Ohio Revised Code: "“Intoxicated” means being under the influence of alcohol, another drug, or both alcohol and another drug and, as a result, having a significantly impaired ability to function." RC 3793.31(F)

buckeyeboy31's picture

Do we know this girl really exists?
sin,
manti

osu07asu10's picture

nice.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

kareemabduljacobb's picture

I can't believe that this happened in October, she reported it in Nov. and now nearly 4.5 months later and they're now pressing charges and wanting to search a players phone??? 

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Very common.  Many rapes are never even reported.  It's a terrible crime.

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TheBadOwl's picture

A very small percentage are actually reported, which is terrible. Education about what regards consent and why it should be reported immediately would go a long way in reducing the number of rapes, which is something that I really hope we all want to eradicate.
 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

yrro's picture

More importantly, as a society we need to make it less of a "your life is over and you're a slut and a terrible person." The reason rapes aren't reported is because of the embarrassment and shame of it. It's ridiculous. No one skips reporting theft because they're ashamed of it - they want the asshole punished. But in the case of rape, that means standing in front of a jury and telling people publicly what you wouldn't want to tell your friends in private. We need to push for a more supportive environment for this stuff so it *doesn't* become a game of he said/she said.

smith5568's picture

In the case of rape it usually means standing in front of a jury telling the court things that you wouldn't tell friends in private because frequently there is little other evidence than personal testimony. The victim and the accused are usually the only two who actually witnessed the rape occur, so who else can be brought on the stand to testify with firsthand knowledge? In this case there may be another witness, but if it was just the two individuals there is nobody else besides the accused and the victim. It isn't he said/she said because of the surrounding environment it is he said/she said because of evidence. In my opinion, the stigma has nothing to do with court procedures or rules, it has to do with our society.  

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Very true but a lot of them also get exaggerated as well.  Most of these girls put themselves in those positions sans the random jogger at night etc. (not defending the rapists) but they should know better.

builderofcoalitions's picture

Most rapes happen at the hands of someone the victim knows. Isolated joggers getting raped by someone hiding in the bushes just doesn't happen as often as rape by acquaintances, friends, spouses, etc.

Because we couldn't go for three.

Statutoryglory's picture

Absolutely.  Even prison rapes aren't done by randoms.  It's known inmates.

buckeyedude's picture

You're right. Bubba almost always knows his victims.

 

 

SuperBuckFan08's picture

Too soon. 

Because I couldn't go for three.   -Woody-

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Totally agree, but in terms of rapes that happen too college students it seems like its mostly guys they had just met that night at a party, or met through a friend etc etc.  But you're right, and I'm not trying to defend the football player(s) if they are guilty... I guess we'll have too see what happens.
 
You would think though if this got reported to the police in Nov. that they would have notified tOSU administration/Urban etc. about the potential allegations and some sort of punishment would have happened like a susp. from the team due to team rules etc.  But maybe they just kept it hush, hush until they gathered enough info.

builderofcoalitions's picture

You just described acquaintances, but I don't want to argue semantics. It's bad all the way around.

Because we couldn't go for three.

Dude Nudem's picture

How many rapes are unreported and how do you know?

Man of Scarlet and Gray's picture

God I hope this is a lie, I don't like to hate on the victim but Im only hoping because this kind of news makes me sick. I like to think OSU players hold themselves to a higher standard but sobering things like this seem to come out and just embarrass the whole community.

 "I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault."
--Jack Tatum

Hovenaut's picture

Not liking the details so far (this happened in October?), have to wait and see.

If this does go bad, with charges filed I hope the coaching staff takes swift, appropriate action.

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

Ken-Yon Rambo's picture

Please, Buckeye Fans,
Refrain from making comments about this girl, like why was she out that late, why did she go home with this player, and so forth.  There are already some comments of this ilk already posted.
It makes us look like ND fans.
PLEASE.
Don't do it.
DON'T.  DO.  IT.
Signed,
Ken-Yon Rambo

How firm they friendship...

Statutoryglory's picture

Yup.  Even a worse crime is the false rape report or the edited at a later date rape report.  I have a friend who had to move to another state because of one of those.  She recanted her story and said she made it up completely, but he was always a "rapist" in the sorority community after that.  

osu07asu10's picture

oh no not the sorority community!

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

RedStorm45's picture

My idiot Michigan friend texts me: "Get raped Urban Meyer bahahaha"
Me: That's inappropriate.
Idiot: So fu**ing hilarious bahaha
Me: What?
Idiot: So much for only recruiting young men with integrity to play football at OSU bahahaha.
Me: So you fund alleged rape funny?
Idiot: No I find it funny that everyone thinks Urban Meyer recruits only young men with integrity...like he said haha.
 
This is what separates Michigan fans from us.

steensn's picture

Um... What separates you from being his friend?!

builderofcoalitions's picture

Walmart Wolverines.

Because we couldn't go for three.

TheBadOwl's picture

Let's not make this about our program, our coaches, our fan base, or anyone with anything to do with UM. If true, these accusations are really, really bad, and the players should be disciplined accordingly (read: dismissed from the team). Let's let legal discourse take effect, let this whole thing get sorted out, and then move on.
And before we start acting all high-and-mighty about this, let's remember that a lot of people around here weren't so courteous during the Penn State scandal. I love this community, but please, guys, let's not be a bunch of ignorant rape apologists, or prioritize football over this girl's well-being.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

RedStorm45's picture

I wasn't at all.  That's what I said later.  I'd like for these 3 to have their due process in court and let everything be figured out that way.  Hopefully we don't turn into ND with their situation.  I don't think Urban will take it lightly at all (perhaps the previous transfer was encouraged, but who knows) as he said at his first press conference that a "core value" of his program is respecting women.  A football scholarship will not take priority over that.

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Didn't a convicted felon play for scUM last year against the Buckeyes?

German Buckeye's picture

with friends like that...

OSUkid23's picture

Michigan did recruit Dodson...

M Man's picture

My idiot Michigan friend texts me: "Get raped Urban Meyer bahahaha"

Your Michigan friend is indeed an idiot.  You can find much, much better Michigan friends.  He's not representative.  Tell him I think he's an idiot.
Re: the reference to Glenville's Frank Clark (guilty plea in the matter of his having taken, I believe, a laptop computer); I'll judge him after (I hope) he's completed a very good academic and athletic career at Michigan.
What you guys could have mentioned but didn't, is that there was a similar incident involving a Michigan kicker, in which charges were never filed after a girl recanted her story.  Turned out to have been a non-story; there was no search warrant for a tv station to get its hands on.  Recanted stories are quite frequent in such cases.  All the more reason for caution.
And Michigan safety Josh Furman actually went to trial last year when it appears that a badly overzealous Washtenaw County prosecutor pursued charges over a dorm/Twitter argument.  Furman's lawyer elected a bench trial (a sign of real confidence in a thoroughly valid defense on all of the facts without any tricks) and won the case.
It's always a mistake to prejudge these cases; especially so in sexual assault cases.
And as for how your vocal rivals are taking this news -- a thread at MGoBlog is over 100 posts long with just about all of them along the lines of this being a not funny story and nobody ought to prejudge this.  We don't like the story and wish everyone the best and hopefully it will all be handled in a right way.  My absolute least concern in all of it is Urban Meyer.  Very much of a non-rivalry moment, I think we can all agree.

Poison nuts's picture

MMan - great comment & very true. I've mentioned a number of times here that I married a Michigan girl. When it comes to the rivalry, we go at just as though we were any other OSU vs UM fans. Maybe a little less vicious, but you get the point. She heard this news last night, and it was most definitely not a rivalry moment.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

CowCat's picture

"Treat women with respect" is one of Urban's 4 commandments.   Likely zero tolerance if the charges are credible.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

steensn's picture

If charged they will be treated like a certain linebacker last year. Lets hope there wasn't a coverup by OSU campus police on the matter which kept it going so long.

jeremytwoface's picture

I'm assuming your talking about Storm Klien?
I have a feeling that if they are charged with rape, they will absolutely NOT be back with the team under any circumstance.
I feel like rape is on an entirely different level than what Klien did... Just my opinion though

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

buck-I.8's picture

Storm Klein wasn't found guilty of anything... that's the point. His accuser's story was recanted.

Poison nuts's picture

This could get bad...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

steensn's picture

Change "could" to "will" and you're spot on. The media blew up the fact TP was driving a car his mom bought at fair market value, what do you think will happen to this?

Poison nuts's picture

I know you're right - I just didn't want to say it...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Poison nuts's picture

Uhh - I don't typically mind a downvote, but my opinion is that this could get bad. For the girl, the players, and OSU. I won't assume anything here, but I'm a realist & this is a potentially ugly situation for all involved. Downvoting me for stating the obvious won't change that.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Wobble in our Shoes's picture

Fuck that's awful. I hope people hold off until the dust settles, but I bet people get cutthroat about this (rightly so). The past few years have made me uber cynical about the media.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

I agree. You just never know anymore. I try my best not to get overly emotional about anything except the games I watch on saturday. I love recruiting, but I try not to get too into it knowing half of them won't pan out.  I really hope for the sake of the victim whether it's the girl or players this all works out.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

SilverBulletNYC's picture

Over at the Bucknuts forum, they're saying one of the other Buckeyes is Kyle Dodson. 

The South will NOT rise again!

OSUkid23's picture

Yep, you can see his name on one of the documents in the video.

81Alum's picture

"In the search warrant, police say the first player said the girl came back to his room with him, and he got into his bed. He said she jumped on top of him and started kissing  him. After a while, he decided didn't want to do that because he had a girlfriend back home."
I'm not sure who the "first" and "second" players are, but, if true, doesn't the above clear the "first" player?

RedStorm45's picture

But it will bring back the Kobe "I am guilty of adultery" clips to mind, although completely different scenarios.  Hopefully the guy's girlfriend already knows because that would suck to find out through this report months after the fact.
 
I'm still not quite sure how the "first" or "third" player are implicated, unless they threatened to beat her up or something.

Bolt's picture

Does anyone who got to read this story before it was removed actually get to see any reference to how this alleged third player even comes into play on this? 

Wobble in our Shoes's picture

I read the story and never pieced a third person into it. As far as I have come tonight, being in the presence of a forced sexual act, and not stopping it, is nearly the same as committing the sexual misconduct. Maybe a third person was in the room and didn't interfere?  It's all baseless speculation at this point.

Buckeyeneer's picture

Agreed. If the "second" player, the one who was implicated in the article was Pittman, than he is already gone and the other two should be fine. If that is the case, I hope Uban holds a presser tomorrow and sets the record straight. This is, of course, assuming that there is nothing more lurking out there unreported.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

Bucks43201's picture

"Nothing good happens after midnight." - W.W. Hayes

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

cajunbuckeye's picture

If there's an ATM machine involved, I totally agree!

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

Poison nuts's picture

Woody was as wise a man as there ever was...and dead on with that statement to say the least.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

M Man's picture

I have no doubt Woody at one time said that, and he was right of course.  I know people -- educated, informed people -- who would have sworn to you that the quote came from Bo Schembechler.  I know for a fact Bo said it; I've heard him.
But I think the quote predates both of them.  I wish I knew who got the real credit.

cinserious's picture

Who the hell do you think Bo heard it from, Ghandi?

Gone ham, be back soon...

Poison nuts's picture

Whether Woody or Bo, the fact is, they are words to take heed of.
BTW - I have heard many times that Woody used to tell his players this phrase very regularly & would agree with Cinserious - Bo learned learned a lot from Woody...
 

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

bodast67's picture

Nothing good happens after Midnight

      -every parent ever...

 

 

 

     " I hope when I die, I die laughing"...                

buck-I.8's picture

Sorry to burst both of your bubbles, but that saying was used by EVERYONE EVER. I have no doubt that neither Woody nor Bo coined that heavily used idiom. Hell, Richard Pryor used to use that in a bit about his curfew.

Poison nuts's picture

Whoever, whenever, whatever: I don't know who coined it, seems as though nobody does - it's sound advice. Probably a tough rule to follow for a college kid, but worth a shot...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Does that saying take into account New Year's Eve?
 

OSUStu's picture

New Year's Eve is the most overrated holiday there is.  Lame both before and after midnight.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

tennbuckeye19's picture

I agree. Just trying to lighten the mood...

OSUStu's picture

Fair enough, I will try to be less of a debbie-downer.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

d1145fresh's picture

If you stop the video on the Channel 6 website at 39 seconds you can see one of the individuals is Kyle Dodson. FWIW

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Good eye, also saw the girl is [REDACTED]??
So Dodson, Pittman... and the 3rd?? Even though only 2 players were mentioned in the report...

Statutoryglory's picture

Makes it very likely the propsective recruit was shelton gibson.

81Alum's picture

Wow!! Not rushing to judgment or anything, but for the sake of the program and its reputation, I really hope that this is not true. That being said, if there is even a hint of any wrongdoing, I trust that the university will take quick and strong action.

Jhesse17's picture

I hate to be the guy who says this first, but doesn't the whole going to the bathroom because she was uncomfortable seem kinda fishy to anyone? Plus I'm no expert, as I've obviously never raped anyone, but wouldn't it be kinda hard to force someone to give you a BJ (with the whole biting off your penis possibility in play)? However, if these allegations have any truth to them I do not want to see these kids in the S&G ever again.

TheBadOwl's picture

The whole "isn't it kinda hard to force someone to give you a BJ" thing seems like a valid cause for skepticism on the surface, but it doesn't hold up in my opinion. You're really thinking that a girl is going to just refuse, bite, whatever, when she's being told to do it against her will by a division 1 defensive lineman? Let alone in a confined area? I feel like there would be a pretty huge implicit threat of physical retaliation on the part of the guy if the girl tried anything.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

Jhesse17's picture

Not to sound too insensitive, but I mean if you're going to force someone to have sex with you aren't there places you can stick it that give you an 100% chance of getting it back?

TheBadOwl's picture

I feel like she'd be very discouraged from retaliating considering that her target would be someone who is like three times her size, and is getting his college education paid for because he is really good at hitting people who are also three times her size.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

Brutus' Left Nut's picture

A distinction should be made here:
He is good at hitting people when he has his penis in tact.
He is probably not good, or at best unproven, at hitting people immediately after having his penis bitten off.
A shot below the belt stuns any man.  A dick being bit off...come on man, he would maybe get in a shot before he passed out/freaked out.

AndyVance's picture

It's a little Twighlight Zone that among the many odd and fascinating sub-topics to appear on this thread is a discussion on the biting off of a sexual aggressor's penis and subsequent danger to the biter-offer...
That said, you're probably right: Hell, Lorena Bobbitt lived to tell the tale...

DetroitBuckeye's picture

Dude, please don't joke around about rape.  All the guy has to say is if you don't offer me oral sex I will slit your throat.  It isn't that hard to comprehend.

 
GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

I hate this. I can just hear the Florida(sec) fans now. 

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

WisconsinAlumGoBucks's picture

Innocent until proven guilty. I hope they don't get kicked off the team until after condemning facts come out.
Hmm Tressel would probably have had better judgment and maybe wouldn't have gone after these guys. I blame our lord and savior Urban Meyer.

osubuckeye4life's picture

Right, because Tressel only recruited the most upstanding young men *rolls eyes*.

WisconsinAlumGoBucks's picture

Tressel was a man of God. God would have made these young boys walk the divine path of peace and justice. If the vest was still our coach this wouldn't have happened.

osubuckeye4life's picture

+ 1 for Fillion and I had the same thought.

dubjayfootball90's picture

@lucky, exactly how I am feeling right now

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

kevinfrenchfry's picture

is it banhammer time for this guy yet???

b_pbucksfans's picture

Somebody please downvote this. My fat finger accidentally up voted.

buckeyedude's picture

That was fast. Here come the trolls.

 

 

jeremytwoface's picture

Wow... Unbelievable.
 
 
72 downvotes.

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

Oakland Buckeye's picture

Nice Wisky. real nice.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

As if the coach has complete control over that, and has the psychic ability to know that if he signs this player that this kind of thing will happen.  Don't be ridiculous.

Class of 2010.

yrro's picture

Re: the biting off the penis thing - take a second and think about what would happen after that, if you were legitimately intimidated by the guy to begin with. Think about the damage that a young athlete can inflict on a much smaller girl. Rape just requires a legitimate threat, and it's easy to provide that legitimate threat when there's that big of a physical disparity. As for the bathroom thing, how many people *expect* a random guy to progress to rape just from advances. It's a pretty suspect view of men that would immediately think "get the heck out of there" when you're with people whose company you've been enjoying enough to be fooling around to begin with.
No passing judgment on anyone until the investigation finishes. *If* the guys are guilty, I don't want them anywhere near this school or football team again, regardless of their sentence or plea bargain.

kareemabduljacobb's picture

The lady in the news report did say one of the 3 players in the investigation (Pittman) did leave the University last week.  So looks like for sure he's one of them.

AcrossTheField11's picture

I forget how all of this works, but from what I can remember, a girl cannot give consent if she is under the influence.  When I was a student a few years back it was very common for boys and girls to go out on the town, have some drinks, and then find their way back to a member of the opposite sex's bed for some late night canoodling.  If alcohol is involved (which it usually is on college campuses), consent is out the window.  Are all of these instances then considered rape as well?  Is it only rape if one of the parties involved regrets what happened and presses charges, or is it rape simply because alcohol was involved, regardless of how each party feels about it the next day?

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

xFactor11's picture

Well I see that being a problem because technically the guy could say he was raped if he was under the influence as well. Obviously that isn't the cause but I see it causing a problem like that or using it as a loophole. 

ih8rolltyde's picture

This is the best comment yet (@ATF11)

If true: awful. Everyone involved must go.

However, if any of you among us never had a physical interaction with a member of the opposite sex after a few cocktails and discussion of life in general; well then, you kinda missed out.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

Ken-Yon Rambo's picture

I am ashamed of some of these comments.  This board is veering a little to the side of "she was asking for it."
Take of your scarlet glasses, folks.  
 

How firm they friendship...

SilverBulletNYC's picture

Ken-Yon Rambo? Geeze, I haven't heard that name since we lost the opener to Miami (FL) with Austin Moherman as our QB. 

The South will NOT rise again!

cinserious's picture

Put Santana Moss on the map in my book; plus kinda brought a sleepy, dormant ten-year probation non-factor of a program back to relevancy!

Gone ham, be back soon...

ih8rolltyde's picture

Never take the goggles OF

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

KateUptonsLowerBack's picture

1.) The story and timing of it do sound a bit suspicious.
2.) Does anybody remember the '12 Texas Alamo Bowl accusation story? I do. The players were not charged, and the girl's story didn't pan out, (despite many accusing the players of being guilty before the facts came out. Pam on 11W, of course, included.) I'm sure she'd be doing the same here.
Now, having said all of that, *IF these players are in fact guilty of rape, then by all means - boot them and punish them.
But, please, let's let the facts come first.

ATXbucknut's picture

Dang it all to heck. Just when things were going really, really well for us.
I feel for everyone involved in this situation (however things end up): the girl, the young men, the program, the fans. 
I'll be bringing out my instruction manual on what to do in this type of situation. I haven't used it since Tatgate.

buckeyepastor's picture

So, Pittman is one of them.   Someone else probably already mentioned this (no time to read all of the comments), but are there other freshmen who are missing from spring workouts with no apparent injury to speak of?   Not meaning to cast aspersions on the innocent, but I could see where they might want to sit any other players who are being looked into with this until it is completed.    

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

Ken-Yon Rambo's picture

BCast on OZone said one of the three was a potential recruit that didn't sign with the Buckeyes.
Which leaves:
1. Pittman
2. Dodson
3. Unknown recruit that visited that weekend, but didn't sign with OSU (I bet a Google search could narrow this list down)

How firm they friendship...

TheBadOwl's picture

He didn't say that it was one of the three, just that a recruit was also implicated. The reports all say "Three OSU players" not "One former OSU player, one current OSU player, and someone that OSU recruited for football but didn't sign"

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

Knarcisi's picture

Gibson went to the same HS as Dodson and things got weird with him and OSU. I know, we shouldn't speculate, but makes sense. 

TheBadOwl's picture

Pittman is gone, Dodson has been implicated, and Spence was apparently Pittman's roommate last year. Also, I heard something similar to this, around the time when it apparently took place, and heard Noah Spence's name come up. Again, I don't want to sound like I'm accusing him of anything, because I don't have firsthand knowledge of the event or the investigation, but I think it's reasonable to assume that Spence is the third player implicated.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Spence was roommates with Perkins.

TheBadOwl's picture

Just read that, misread it previously, wouldn't let me edit my comments.
So, maybe the recruit is the third one implicated, but I'm not sure how that would make sense with how the story was announced.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

kareemabduljacobb's picture

No problem, I was the one who started the whole Perkins thing by misreading the Ozone article myself.  Perkins = good man.  But the whole story from the girl and players account only mentions 2 players, so I'm thinking who ever the 3rd player was, was the just other player that was out with them at the bars and had nothing to do with the whole rape incident rather just going to be questioned on the events of that night?

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Well only 2 players were named in the report as doing anything, but 3 overall as the girl said her and her friends met 3 football players at the bar... so my guess is the mystery 3rd player was just named because he was part of the crew out at the bars etc.
 
Pittman and Dodson are the 2 who are most likely the culprits of any potential wrongdoing.  The search warrant looked like it was Dodson's phone they were checking.

cdsperr's picture

Felony prosecutor here who has done second chair on two rape trials....
1. Regarding charging others, I'm assuming party to a crime here would be based on a lookout. She went to the bathroom, which I presume is the hallway bathroom unless these freshmen players have their own bathroom. That seems most likely scenario if more than 1 person is charged
2. Regarding this nonsense about "biting"...use your common sense. Here is the model jury instruction on rape in my state: 

The lack of consent on the part of the alleged victim is an essential element of the crime of rape, and the burden of proof is on the State to show a lack of consent on the part of the alleged female victim beyond a reasonable doubt. If the State fails to prove such beyond a reasonable doubt, then you should acquit the defendant. However, consent induced by force, fear, or intimidation does not amount to consent in law and does not prevent the intercourse from being rape. Consent to sexual intercourse obtained through a present or immediate fear of serious bodily injury to the female involved is equivalent to no consent at all.

3. Let's not burn anyone at the stake as it is still just an ongoing case that hasn't even resulted in any charges or arrests yet. That includes the woman as well. Some of the posts have me sick to my stomach. 
 

TheBadOwl's picture

Pretty sure the freshman players live in Worthington. I've been in a room there once, I'm not sure if there is a bathroom inside of the rooms, but the rooms are nice, have two bedrooms, a kitchen, and a living room, so I wouldn't be shocked if there was a separate bathroom.
Also, I believe that the story says "linked" to the case, which could mean that they're witnesses or simply named (could be wrong), it doesn't say "accused" or "charged" so for all we know, it could be the one player (Pittman?) commiting the crime, and the other two named as having been with her in events preceding the crime.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

kareemabduljacobb's picture

I'm not familiar with tOSU's campus but it said the incident occurred here:  Neil Avenue Building

TheBadOwl's picture

Neil Avenue building is where Marketplace is, and the dorms are above Marketplace, although the Neil Complex includes Worthington. I'm sure that the floor plans are similar.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

trasch_man's picture

Unfortunately for the university, it is guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion. If this woman is telling the truth, then anyone involved should be booted from the university but even if it's found she was lying or embellishing it won't matter in the eyes of the public. Look at what happened with the Duke lacrosse players.

cdubs's picture

I am extremely disappointed in some of these comments.

kevinfrenchfry's picture

Yeah, it never ceases to amaze me...and disappoint me.  If we wanna talk about being above other fan bases in terms of class we have to be about it.

kevinfrenchfry's picture

How I feel when three Ohio State players are implicated in a rape case and know how ESPN will jump all over it:
 

WoodyTresselUrban's picture

This will be the top story on ESPiN in 3... 2... 1..

kevinfrenchfry's picture

somehow its not on the bottom line yet, could it be they are ACTUALLY WAITING for some concrete info???

TheBadOwl's picture

That's two straight comments on this thread lamenting the negative press that OSU will get from this.
Guys. Stop it. Now.
This isn't about ESPN, or OSU, or anything like that. This is about 1-3 players, and a girl, and something that was potentially very, very bad. Let's not make this about ESPN. OSU fans are hated, and a lot of that is because we have a bullshit victim mentality when it comes to stuff like this.
Seriously, guys, we're not the fucking victims here. Get over yourselves. I don't care if ESPN reports it, I don't care if we hear jokes about this like we did with Tatgate, all I care about is whether or not the legal system does what it's meant to do.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

Ken-Yon Rambo's picture

+1.
My thoughts exactly.
Moderators, I like free speech and all, but please feel free to moderate.
There are some comments coming from the mouth-breathing section of OSU fandom that essentially proclaim "she was asking for it."
 

How firm they friendship...

kevinfrenchfry's picture

yeah but he's downvoting comments that don't say that

kevinfrenchfry's picture

Ok dude, this is still an ohio state athletic site and espn's coverage of OSU is a common topic here.  If you think I'm not rooting for the justice system here you can shove it quite frankly.  I'm not being disrespectful to anyone and I am not one of the people who is jumping to any conclusion.  I'm not saying the girl is lying and I'm not saying kick the players off the team.  Why don't you go start a thread on law forum.
 
EDIT: Also, did it occur to you some people might be watching espn to get some additional coverage of this?

CincyOSU's picture

So a woman is potentially raped, and three young men might be looking at serious charges, and there are some on here that are worried that ESPN might report about this(as if other news outlets would not)?
WOW
 
 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

More like people are worried that Ohio State will be dragged through the mud before the facts are out.

Is it really that hard for you to understand?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

CincyOSU's picture

1) More worried about OSU's image than IF a horrific crime against a human being occurred??? Priorities man, get them straight.
2) ESPN is not the only game in town, if one news outlet reports it they all will.
Is that hard for you to understand?

kevinfrenchfry's picture

Jumping to conclusions about how people feel about a story, just because they comment on ESPN's coverage of a story.
 
Is that hard for YOU to understand? Clearly not.

CincyOSU's picture

Actually I understand it quite clearly, as do many others. Yet some on here feel the need to bring up their anti ESPN agenda when the focus should be elsewhere.
It's quite sad you can't comprehend how distasteful it is to worry about ESPN's coverage...

kevinfrenchfry's picture

again you are jumping to conclusions, just because someone comments on something doesn't mean they are "worried" about it, THATS distasteful; but thanks for standing on your cloud of judgment handing down life lessons to all the sinners

johnblairgobucks's picture

I'm 99% convinced CINCYOSU works for ESPN, and his job there is to defend the network against negative talks on Blogs/websites.  The other 1% of my mind says I'm full of shit and who really cares.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

JohnBlair: at first, I laughed at your comment that you're 99 percent convinced CincyOSU works (as a sock puppet) for espn, but then I realized . . . hell, it might actually be true. What legit Buckeye fan responds to a story like this by spending the next hour almost exclusively defending some media corp. that has nothing to do with the story?
It doesn't matter if a few other posters brought up espn first. Those comments were brief asides, which were probably gut reactions. If CincyOSU hadn't intervened to defend espn's reputation, those posters would have gone right back to freakin' out about the news, like the rest of us.  
No, only CincyOSU has the presence of mind to stay so consistently off topic at a moment like this . . .

CincyOSU's picture

Fido - First off, way to be classy and take cheap shots(sock puppet?) over the net...it takes real man to call another man a name behind a computer screen so congrats on that. Secondly, it absolutely matters who brought it up first. In fact, my original and only intended retort was to question WHY someone is more worried about ESPN than a potential rape victim, but then MANY others chimed in as well...but much like the ESPN haters who only focus on the bad stories, you chose to focus only on me.
I admit that at times I do go out of my way to "defend" ESPN but it actually has nothing to do with ESPN as I have said dozens of times that their reporting and actual news quality is terrible. It's more so that I can't stand the way outsiders view our fan base because of such views.
Oh and btw, I have downvoted 2 ppl(one was by accident) in this thread, yet I have been bombarded with downvotes. I really could care less about that, but it shows how sensitive the anti-ESPN crew really is.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

CincyOSU: "sockpuppet" is a "technical" internet slang term. Since you're not one, you shouldn't take offense. It's less offensive to be wrongly called a sockpuppet - which you know isn't true - than called a troll because the latter accusation is subjective and thus might spur one to have self-doubts, etc.
Again, it doesn't matter so much that others brought up espn first, if I'm commenting on your behavior. If you sit down at a picnic table and a fly lands on your plate and then you spend the next ten minutes desperately running around trying to kill the fly, your friends are not going to be reassured by your protestations that the fly "started it."   

CincyOSU's picture

John - I'm 100% convinced you do not have the ability to think without bias in regards to anything ESPN related, case in point your signature. God forbid me for being annoyed when SOME fans feel the need to constantly deride ESPN every time something remotely negative is said(or in some cases not even said), yet ignore the 100 other positive stories. Attitudes like that are why we get such a bad name nationally and I get tired of having to defend myself for being an OSU fan because of a select few.

spqr2008's picture

I worry about the coverage making actual justice a challenge.  Then beyond that, because I actually HATE eSECpn, I hate that they will profit from this, and that I'm not a billionaire who can buy the place from Disney, fire everyone, then burn it to the ground.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Not to much about WHAT they report, more about HOW they report it.

Maybe they can dig up TP's old roommate and get his eyewitness account of the situation.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

CincyOSU's picture

Clearly you forget that Yahoo, SI, and the Dispatch, not ESPN, did the vast majority of the investigative reporting.
I would be more concerned with with those other outlets than what ESPN says.

kevinfrenchfry's picture

 
In case you didn't know this the concern over ESPN has to do with the fact they reported Tatgate with almost as much gusto as the PSU scandal.

CincyOSU's picture

In case you didn't know, Tatgate was only ONE of the scandals/issues we had last year....which is why it seemed like we were always in the news. Every other month something new came out(news that other outlets uncovered) so of course our scandal was always there.
And the PSU coverage was MUCH greater than anything OSU related.

mitchjacobsen01's picture

Agreed.  It only seemed like our coverage was more than PSU's because it kept coming up repeatedly and we definitely pay more attention to ourselves than other schools.

kevinfrenchfry's picture

It wasn't MUCH greater, it was much more prolonged because it wasn't resolved and involved a court case, in terms of a coverage to time span ration, the coverage was absolutely comparable

btalbert25's picture

and it's because outlets like the Dispatch ran stories about players getting sweet deals on cars and Dohrman's SI piece etc.  A whole scope of outlets came out with all kinds of new information and ESPN simply covered what others were reporting.  

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

No disrespect, but between the two of us, I think it is you who has forgotten.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

CincyOSU's picture

OK, name a story that ESPN broke? The initial Tatgate? Nope, that was yahoo. The George D article? Nope, SI. The issue with the cars? Nope, the Dispatch. ESPN might REPORT the story, but they are not the ones digging up the dirt. ESPN is guilty of shoddy reporting, but they weren't the ringleaders in bringing down OSU like many want to believe.

kevinfrenchfry's picture

In terms of getting the story out there to the masses on a furious tear. they absolutely were.  ESPN may not have broken anything but they take it and run with it, HARD.  Saying ESPN isn't a ringleader in Tatgate is like saying they weren't the ringleaders in the Manti Teo/Lennay Kekua story even though Deadspin broke it.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I am not talking about who BROKE a story. I am talking about COVERAGE of a story. I don't care how many other outlets were reporting things. JIM TRESSEL JAYWALKED was not scrolling across the screen of any other 24 hour television network. If I were a reporter at the local level, I might throw a story together too if I thought it would be NATIONALLY repeated ad nauseam. Other people took shots, no doubt. ESPiN, however brought an MP-5.
You may be right though. I should probably give ESPiN a break. I am sure I am being sensitive. It's not like they ran out of salacious things to say and tried to compel us via a lawsuit to supply them with more banner material. I mean, they always fact checked their stories and cleared their sources. I forgot about all that fair and balanced commentary, too.
Silly me.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

CincyOSU's picture

Ummmmmm, how many other 24 hour, sports only networks are there?????? ESPN is the only source we have for such info. If SI, Yahoo Sports, CBS Sports, etc all had 24 hour sports networks they would have given the stories the same amount of coverage....and they did on their websites. You ppl act like it wasn't juicy news...we have the largest fan base in CFB, of course ESPN is going to report it.
And they were the ringleaders of the Te'o story??? Good grief, that story was on EVERY single news medium imaginable....but way to focus only on ESPN.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Okay. You got me. There are no other 24 sports networks. Did I say sports? As is plural? As in a network charged with covering a large and vast array of competition across both gender and geography?
And they devoted all that time to one sport at one college out of hundreds? But wait, we are a top tier program, right? Not if you paid attention to their narrative prior to Tatgate. Surely you remember the overrated commentary, the SEC stuff, the questionable and somewhat tarnished title. You see anything wrong with that picture? Allow me to illustrate:
We sucked. We sucked hard. We were a mediocre team with a fuddy-duddy coach. No sense talking about us and anyone who does it sucking air and wasting time. Tat-gate breaks, coverage is ridiculously relentless and their reason? Well, tOSU is a premiere program, people want to know what is happening at this highly relevant institution. It is THE Ohio State University after all.
See, my disgust with this network wasn't born that fateful day in December. No, no it was not. Please forgive my animus toward an entity that took great pleasure in exploiting our pain for their profit.   And please stop with the 'largest fan base in college football.' Not because that's not true, but because it makes your argument all the more silly -- if they were pandering to our fan base, why was the reporting 90% negative? Because no matter how many fans we have, there will never be more of us than there is the rest of everyone else.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

CincyOSU's picture

Soooo, let me get this straight. ESPN was the one and only network/news outlet/sports fan that thought OSU's 2002 title was tainted? ESPN is the ONLY network that thought the B10, and by extension OSU, was slow and overrated? Ever hear of the guys at Yahoo, or the words of Doyel and Dodd at CBS? Wait, they don't work for ESPN so we must ignore that. The SEC stuff??? Yeap, only ESPN that has a crush on them.
90% of the reporting negative? First off, you shouldn't throw out numbers you make up as if it is fact...that makes YOU look silly. But while on that note, didn't the four letter network have some all-access programming this past summer? I cant remember the team though...

btalbert25's picture

Cincy I agree with a lot of what you say, and don't think your message is deserving of getting blasted by downvotes.  Your delivery I think is what doesn't make you friends.  Not that you need someone to stick up for you or anything like that, but I agree with much of what you are saying.  I get tired of the ESPN crap too.  I get tired of every time SOMETHING happens ANYWHERE people say but getting free tattoos is so much worse.  I hate every time something good or bad happens people who hate ESPN run to their website to see if the bad story is being reported or the good story isn't.  They are just feeding the beast they hate and giving them credibility.  
The people who piss and moan the most about ESPN, actually linking, going to the site, and getting outraged all the time by the network are making the network more powerful.  It's funny, and they don't see it. 
I'm not saying everything ESPN has reported is fair or the way in which they reported it for that matter, but it's not as bad as people scream about it all the time.  If people like a program, they like no matter what a network says.  If they hate it, they'll hate it and use the stories on a network to troll other fans.  It's a real stretch to believe that ESPN giving negative coverage makes millions of people hate Ohio State.  It's just not true.  Fans are irrational, and no matter what evidence is out there good or bad about a program, fans are going to still love or hate particular programs.  There's really no such thing as a casual college football fan.  If we heard tomorrow of something happening at Vandy, regardless of what we know about the program, collectively as a group of fans, we'd be destroying them because they are an SEC program and we are going to pile on them.  Some guy, who tunes into ESPN to see the score of a soccer game or to see hockey highlights isn't going to get all up in arms and start a crusade against Vandy though. 

CincyOSU's picture

BT - I agree about my delivery at times and some posts do come across confrontational(thats what you get for hitting save before reading what you write). Lately, I have been trying to ignore the ESPN rhetoric, or at least watch how I respond to it, but tonight really bugged me when a few ppl seemed more concerned about a sports network than a potential rape victim.
 
 

btalbert25's picture

Yeahit seems kind of petty that people would be more worried about the potential image that this story would put out there of the program than whether or not the story is true and that this is addressed correctly and not swept under the rug like stuff at ND or other programs.  I'd rather take a little hit in public perception and be proud of how the university handled it, then save face and have justice not be served.  

spqr2008's picture

The big reason I don't trust or respect eSECpn, the NCAA, or the media in general is the sheer volume of coverage given to Tat-Gate, and the wonderful fact that those bastards announced our bowl ban on my birthday.  Trust me, when my cousin goes to college for NCAA baseball in a few years, when they give me the forms to sign, I'm sending back a letter saying, "this kid is my cousin, I can take him out to dinner if and when I like, I will probably not give him cash, but if he needs something like a doctor's visit, the regulations imposed by a monopoly are not going to preclude me taking him and paying for it until his parents can pay me back for it, and if you have a problem with that, I've got an anti-trust suit for you, as well as an IRS fact finding suit.  And also, Mark Emmert can kiss my bleep."

btalbert25's picture

Also, you can go to virtually any fan board in America.  Bama, Florida, USC, and Notre Dame and you'll see the same kind of talk.  The OMG ESPN hates us, they are making us look bad, blah blah blah.  UK basketball fans last year talked about how ESPN constantly disrespected their program, though all year long all I ever heard of was the on air talent saying UK was unstoppable.  It was comical the whining that came out of the fan base last year. 

CincyOSU's picture

Living in Cincinnati, I can tell you that UC fans are convinced that not only ESPN hates them, but the national media as well.

btalbert25's picture

Hell I am friend with Xavier fans and they think ESPN wasn't fair to them last year during the fight.  All season long they kept saying here we go again, ESPN picking on Xavier for the brawl blah blah blah.  EVERY PROGRAM THINKS ESPN IS AFTER THEM!!!!!! They'll all give you their evidence and compelling arguments too, and swear it's fact. 

kevinfrenchfry's picture

it amazes me that you STILL think we are sweating in our jocks and panicking about ESPN's coverage, my original comments were humor based for Christs sake.  Stop trying to make bad guys out of people, that's all it looks like you've been trying to do.  Hell, almost EVERY comment about espn is humor based yet you immediately take the ever-so-slight opportunity to be a part of the interent justice league.  You are an example of how thin skinned people are today, getting offended about everything, up in arms about everything, wanting to sue people over everything, get over yourself, these comments should not have brought out comments like that period.  As I have said, ESPN's coverage of OSU is a common topic on this site, but I am truly sorry if my original comments that were attempts at humor lit such a proverbial fire under you.

buckeye20's picture

I agree. This site is good in so many ways.  If you want the latest up to the minute news on Buckeye sports, you go here.  The site has been improved so much over a few years ago.  It has gone to a new level.  However, there is one area that I don't like and that is the "Up/Down Vote"  I think the intentions are good but it is a bad outcome.  Somebody can come on here and fire out an F bomb and it gets +10 but if you express an opinion that somebody doesn't agree with you get ripped.  Some people are too thin skinned, take themselves too seriously and resort to bashing people on the internet as a way to show how self important they are.  There used to be some good discussion back and forth now its all about who can post the most outlandish picture or statement to get up votes.  Again, I love the site for news and it is really a great place for all the latest and people work very hard to make it the best place for Buckeye news.  But this still is America and you don't have to agree with an opinion, but the opinion should be respected as their opinion.  I think we can all do better to be more tolerant of everyone's opinion.  We shouldn't hide behind our anonymity.  I get a little nauseated seeing people getting bashed for stating an opinion. I wonder ho many down votes this will get?

CincyOSU's picture

I(and I assume you mean mean Kevin) am and example and being "too thin skinned??? Umm, I have not down voted anyone, other than the two times I admitted in an earlier post...even when personally attacked, yet I get down vote blasted by the anti ESPN crew and I am the one who is thin skinned? I am not trying to make a bad guy out of anyone, I'm trying to talk some sense into ppl for the sake of our fanbase's image. Dear God, equating my stance about ESPN to those who sue for every little wrong in society is a bit extreme dont you think? The whole thing annoys me, it doesn't offend me. The FACT is that several ppl, not just you, brought up ESPN when the focus should have been elsewhere. That was my whole point...even in the face of a serious issue, there are some that STILL cant let the ESPN thing go and look for any reason to bring up their hatred. YOUR stance on ESPN may be humor based but for many ppl on here, they actually believe ESPN has a vested interest in making OSU look bad. If anything that sentiment is a prime example of being "too thin skinned".
 

Oyster's picture

Hey Cincy,
Give us all an example of something that you feel ESPN did that was wrong.
Thanks in advance!

CincyOSU's picture

How about that their reporting in general is terrible and lacks substance. How about that their programming lacks originality. How about that many of the TV personalities are arrogant, no nothing blowhards. How about Beth Mowins. I could go on.
As I have stated numerous times, I really don't like ESPN other than their actual coverage of games, which is top notch. Just because I think it is crazy to think ESPN hates us does not mean I like the network in general.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Good grief Charlie Brown.
I stand by my assertion that the coverage of Tatgate by ESPN was 90% negative. Prove me wrong -- and by wrong I mean less than 90%, not more.
Secondly, the coverage given to infractions at programs like UNC, The U, Oregon and even Boise State were given minimal coverage on ESPiN. I also don't recall hearing about their sanctions each and every time someone from ESPiN was calling their games.
Prior to Tatgate I had canceled my Insider subscription and has stopped visiting their site. Tatgate merely confirmed my suspicions regarding their integrity and commitment to honest and truthful broadcasting. It pains me to even watch events on their channels.
You seem to think that because everyone else was reporting on Tatgate that somehow the coverage ESPiN dedicated to it was appropriate. We have a significant difference of opinion.
And in case you were wondering, I have NEVER downvoted a single person at this site, so those attributed to you are not from me. I can respectfully disagree without going all kindergarten on someone.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

CincyOSU's picture

Prove you wrong? You made made up number as a fact, you should have to prove yourself right as to how you came to such an exact percentage.
The coverage at other schools:
OSU - You forget that Tatgate was just the tip of the iceberg. There were 5-10 other issues that were uncovered in the 6-8 months following the initial breaking of the Tatgate story, so yes, we were constantly in the news because sites such as SI, CBS, the Dispatch, etc kept digging up more dirt. And yes, ESPN did report this info, but they did not dig it up. Are they guilty of bad reporting? Of course, but imo the abger should be directed elsewhere. Additionally, we are OHIO STATE. We have a huge fanbase as well has a HUGE following that hates us. When negative press happens anywhere like OSU, its going to get a lot of coverage because ppl want to hear about it. In regards to talking about the sacntions....the B10 Network mentioned them in every game they called as did ABC. We knew going into the season this was going to happen, yet some have made this an ESPN only issue.
UNC - Noone cares about UNC. I watched two UNC games with a buddy that went there, and yes, their issues were brought up.
The U - The whole issue with Miami came out all in ONE bombshell piece, and unless you were in a cave there was nonstop coverage for several weeks before it died down....since nothing new came to light. Every U game I watched mentioned the sanctions.
Oregon  - ONE, albeit, big issue. When the sanctions are released this will be a story. There is only so much to talk about with regards to what happened here.
Boise State - It's a joke the football team was even mentioned....players slept on couches of other players. The majority of wrongdoing happened in other sports....who cares about BSU track?
We do, however, agree that ESPN has lost it's touch with regards to quality journalism. I have also said many times they were very lazy in their reporting of what other sites dug up...but that was NEVER my point. My point is that for whatever reason, maybe ppl just need something to complain about, some ppl think ESPN actually has a vested interest in hurting the OSU program. So to recap, I agree ESPN is at times irresponsible with their reporting, but I strongly disagree with those that feel it is intentionally meant to harm our program. They might report it, but my anger is geared towards those(SI, Yahoo, CBS, Dispatch, etc) that kept digging and digging for more dirt.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Please then address the lawsuit filed by ESPiN. No other entity went to that extreme. How can you be more angry at the people you claim were digging for dirt and less angry at those who perpetuated a false agenda. Did they fact check TP's roommate or did they run with a sensational story that mimicked their own storyline?  
I never one time indicated ESPiN lives to destroy the Buckeye program. I do, however, feel very strongly that they exploited our program with specificity each and every time they had an opportunity. If you really think they devoted more or equal time to any of the other programs I listed (I even left out USC which is the MOST compelling example that supports my point), we simply cannot continue an informed conversation as our perspectives lie at opposite ends of the spectrum. Please don't make me rehash the Cam Newton fiasco. Or T-Towns Mensware in Alabama as stories researched and reported other places else (eSECpn, anyone?). I'm glad good old Herbie wanted to refrain from making any judgements Cam, but couldnt wait to out parts of our scandal while calling another game. You probably have some kind of explanation as to why he dropped us below Arkansas in his final ranking immediately after we beat them in the Sugar Bowl, too.
Oh, and my 90% value was based on my own personal observation--a critical element of empirical evidence. I actually think I am being generous.
And of course they reported the scandals I listed above, but how deep did they delve into the particulars? I love your assertion that there is a scandal at Oregon, but ESPiN won't report until there is a scandal. Really? How come I was reading Willy Lyles information EVERYWHERE else a few months ago? And who cares if the issues at BSU were spread over other sports or that they involved sleeping on a couch. I forgot that we were caught taking thousands of dollars, getting abortions and going to strip clubs. Oh, wait that wasn't us. We must have been the school with the systemic and rampant academic fraud. Again, not us. Oh certainly we are the school where players were paid and houses bought for their families. Oh, I forgot that involved another sport so that doesn't count. Thaaaaats right. We traded some stuff for tattoos. Tress lied. Posey got overpaid (despite evidence to the contrary). And our players had free cars, right? Dennis the photog dumped thousands into TP's account, right? All legitimate stories with proper retractions in place when facts showed otherwise. The Worldwide Leader, indeed.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

CincyOSU's picture

I am done trying to reason with you, it's QUITE clear that you pick and choose which pieces of information you use to formulate your opinion, ie you are ONLY mentioning negative press while ignoring anything that is positive. At the same time you only focus on what is, or may be, omitted in regards to other programs, yet leave out/forget everything else that was reported. I respect you as an OSU fan, but wholeheartedly disagree with your thought process in this issue.
Now lets get ready for some spring football!

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

You are not trying to reason with me, you are arguing your side of the topic. I am certainly not trying to reason with you. Nothing I say is going to convince you ESPiN treated us unfairly and nothing you say is going to convince me otherwise. I am simply explaining to you why I have the opinion I have.
There is no picking and choosing -- that implies a choice and there is simply no positive press from them to consider. Until Urban came to town it was all negative all the time. I challenge you or anyone else to find any ESPiN story pre-Urban/post-Sugar Bowl that could be characterized as positive.
My experience with ESPiN has been very negative. My perceptions are based on my experiences. Anytime a story of any kind breaks, I will immediately consider how we will be portrayed to the rest of the world. I didn't want that, ask for it, nor do I particularly enjoy it being this way. It is, what it is.
I don't think this make me less of a human being or insensitive as you initially implied about anyone who was concerned with our image. With that, we will agree to disagree my Buckeye brother. On to the next topic, and as always: GO BUCKS!!!

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

buckeye20's picture

Just society in general.  I didn't read your posts and wasn't referring to you.  Today, we are not allowed to express an opinion if somebody doesn't agree with it.  The internet is a breeding ground to bash others when you don't agree with the opinion.  You just read some of the stuff that people say to each other online and it is sort of disgusting. If read read a post of yours and I disagree, I should tell you why I disagree.  You have every right to state your opinion just as I do.  I should also respect you for your opinion regardless of whether I agree with you.  We all need to respect each other more and have good honest discussions.  That doesn't happen as often as it should.
 

spqr2008's picture

Mostly because UC is ignored except when they do something bad.  My brother is graduating from there in May, and the coverage they get from the major sports media is usually only negative.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I love your logic.
I think I will go break someone's nose. Then all I have to do is buy them a pony and all is forgiven.
 

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

dubjayfootball90's picture

ugh, well, i am just speechless. I hope, for all parties involved, that this gets taken care of, and all parties can move forward. This is just a rotten scenario for anyone involved.

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

Statutoryglory's picture

Btw Inside Edition just teased this as a national story for tomorrow's show

oregonianbuckeye's picture

It looks like this is a similar story, but not the OSU one that is referenced above. It's really sad that there are multiple cases with this description, but I think that this case is from a small town and involves high school students. 
http://www.insideedition.com/videos/1247-coming-up-on-the-next-inside-ed...

osubuckeye4life's picture

I believe that is the Steubenville, OH High School rape case with the two football players and the 16 year old girl from West Virginia. Another terrible story.

Statutoryglory's picture

Ah my bad got the news second hand from my wife as I don't watch crap like Inside edition

oregonianbuckeye's picture

No worries. One of the people in the preview is wearing a tOSU shirt, so I could see how someone would assume it's related to this news given the timing.

J.Mo's picture

I think it's safe to accept these statements as true...
1. Regardless of how this proceeds, we'll never really know what truly happened and there will be doubt that the player(s) involved are innocent and that the girl is telling the full truth. The Athletics administration will probably know a lot of the details we'll never be able to know.
2. Some student athletes do bad things. There also have been some cases of women lying about rape. I wouldn't accuse anyone of anything yet.
3. Because of this we shouldn't speculate anything
4. If a player is found to be guilty, regardless of 5* or not - he should be kicked off the team. This is unacceptable.

dubjayfootball90's picture

point #2 (excuse the description): Had a real good friend accused of rape while we were in college. It was weird situation, the girl admitted to being on top, and that all this stuff came about where my buddy said it was completely consensual, which was why she was on top, and she went the next day to report a rape, after I believe they spent a good portion of the night together after that. Yes some women lie about this thing because it is easy to, which is in turn very sad.
NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING THIS GIRL IS LYING, JUST TALKING ABOUT A PAST SITUATION WITH A BUDDY OF MINE 

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

otrain2416's picture

Hmmm the stories definitely aren't adding up curious to see how this one plays out hope that nothing serious did go down and she is crying wolf

BuckeyeBoyer85's picture

This is unfortunate in every way. I hope for everyone affected that the facts are uncovered and all responsible parties are charged. I also think we have an unfortunate culture of binge drinking that has negatively affected many young people's lives.

Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Here's what we (probably) know so far: Three OSU freshman football players are named in a search warrant. Some allegations, but no charges have been filed yet. It's an ongoing investigation. One of the three players left the team last week.
I get just as annoyed at the people who rush to judgment without having anything close to compelling evidence to do so as those who get annoyed at insensitivity. So maybe we can call a truce while we wait for the facts to come out?
In the meantime, one might wonder if the second player (not Pittman) were in as much trouble as Pittman, might he have been sent packing last week as well? 
   

ATXbucknut's picture

Your last point is a good one and shared by others. Pittman might be the only one booted in this case.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Is Pittman still in the state of Ohio? Do suspects in rape cases get to leave the jurisdiction?

I seem to recall some folks rushing to judgement as recently as the Storm Klein situation. Some football stars feel entitled. Some women are starfuckers. Each scenario is as plausible as the other. Wait and see, dont sit a speculate.

And to the guy who doesn't think/care about what ESPN has to say, I want to live in your world. I was here fot Tatgate. Not sure where u were.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

CincyOSU's picture

And was ESPN the ONLY outlet covering the scandal? Did they break the scandal? The answer to both questions is NO.
There are bigger to worry about here than if ESPN wants to make OSU look bad.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I care very much about tOSU's image when it is FALSELY AND DISHONESTY perpetuated.

If these young men are guilty there is a legal process address it and justice will be served. What mechanism is in place to restore the school's reputation should the allegations prove false?

I didnt wake up one day highly suspect of ESPN. If I am immediately concerned about media fairness relative to my beloved university, I, nor any other Buckeye fan are to blame.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

johnblairgobucks's picture

ummmm, you said

starfuckers

horrible story/situation we are commenting on, but I did get a smile out of this new word Angleheartsbuckeye.
 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I must compliment you, however on your signature line. Funny stuff, but isn't what you took and what you flushed the same thing?
On second thought, you may be right. Michigan=ESPiN in douchery and all things that suck. Well done, sir.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Colorado Buckeye's picture

great Nine Inch Nails song....

Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever!

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Funny you mention that.
I first heard it on a Tori Amos song. She and Trent Reznor had just broken up, so there ya go.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

BuckeyesMJ's picture

It would be nice if stories like this didn't come out until charges are actually filed. Everyone wants to be the first to report a story and 9 times outta 10 the facts aren't even there! All this speculation and we don't even know Who, What Where or When. It's sad because all those "implicated" will have this pinned to their name whether guilty or not. Let's see things play out before we panic. Urban will handle this.

rdubs's picture

Problem is that we like to hold the police accountable, so they have to operate in the public's eye.  Sometimes that results in innocent people being swept up in a public's rush to judgment.  That is more on us than on the police, so I think that it is fair in all cases (not just those that involve OSU players) to be careful about assumptions we make.

tdible2132's picture

Couldn't agree more SMJ. People are throwing names out there like Noah Spence without anything that would indicate him being involved. Just makes me shake my head. Kids shouldn't have mud slung on them unless the facts are there

TheBadOwl's picture

I was the one who threw Spence's name out because back in October, I heard a story from a friend about a girl he knew and Noah Spence and alcohol and oral sex and feelings of regret or something of that nature. It was forever ago, and I said in the comment that I had no idea if it was related to what I heard. 11W will not let me edit or delete my comment now, and it looks like I was wrong about that.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

tdible2132's picture

Understood. I appreciate your accountability and honesty. Just don't want kids to get a bad name when they don't deserve as I'm sure you can understand. It was an honest mistake though as we're all very curious about the details or any leads.

northcampus's picture

I wonder if this is tied into the 'off-the-field' issue Pittman was involved in when his release statement came out?
http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/blogging-the-buckeyes/2013...
 

rdubs's picture

Seems likely, based on what we know.  But we don't know a whole lot yet.

Oakland Buckeye's picture

apparently no wifi on northcampus

jeremytwoface's picture

Love me some Andy Dwyer. +1
And this was a great episode.

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

Gametime's picture

FWIW I also saw Kyle Dodson & I think a "[REDACTED]" on the documents.

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

Something about this smells fishy as faaaaack

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

WezBuck28's picture

^^^hahaha dude, why you gotta make me laugh like that.. 

DannyBeane's picture

I'm going to bite my tongue till I hear all the facts

Jason Priestas's picture

Honestly, that's the most sensible play at this time.

Golden Buckeye's picture

I posted this on the other thread, but I think it should be posted here as well:
Lets try not to speculate or guess who the third potential player might be.  It is very disrespectful to that player and is not to be taken lightly.  As a 20 year old kid, how horrible would it to be to hear that fans of the university that you have decided to spend the next four years of your life, are guessing that you are the potential accomplice in a rape accusation.  Show some class Buckeye Nation and let the truth unfold.

btalbert25's picture

Totally agree, plus players, family and friends of players and potential future players come to the site.  We should always keep that in mind before implicating people, starting rumors, or saying something offensive. 

johnblairgobucks's picture

  I wonder, sometimes, why poeple can't find better things to do with their time on earth.   There are so many wonderful things to do and see, so many people to meet and share ideas and stories with...... how inflicting fear and/or pain upon someone else so one can achive hapiness, is hard to understand.
Hopefully the Columbus Police Department has sucess in finding the truth in the situation, and the individuals who have done wrong, are punished to the extent of the law.

Maestro's picture

Channel 6 link is gone apparently.

vacuuming sucks

kevinfrenchfry's picture

anonymity fail by them

immort9888's picture

Looks like it.  And, there doesn't appear to be any other website reporting this news.

mitchjacobsen01's picture

Redacted?  This is weird and not at all straightforward.
I emailed WSYX and asked what's up.

dubjayfootball90's picture

wow this is very unusual, to say the least

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

ODEEZ330's picture

Wow this is terrible. Wtf is wrong w/ these football players. Steubenville now this

O'Deez330
stark county football

cplunk's picture

Not that the story was very well written, but if it's description of events was accurate, that would mean one player only met the girl, one player was only guilty of almost cheating on his girlfriend, and only the third committed a criminal act.
its of course way too soon to know if there is anything to this or what the details would be, but the original story actually would only indicate one player did anything criminal or worthy of being removed from the team, not three.
again, lots of "ifs" here. not making any judgments.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I can't find anything about it on NBC 4 or 10tv's site.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

trasch_man's picture

ABC 6 retracted the story. A lot of credible news outlets don't post stories with such sensitive issues without the facts being slightly less cloudy first.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

And that is why ABC 6 has always been third in Columbus.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Gametime's picture

Also, wanted to issue an apology to 11W staffer Elika & TheBadOwl & anyone who found my hypothetical scenario out of place or any other like offense. I wasn't trying to be insensitive - towards the situation, just illustrating a perspective based on my own experiences. 

Moving on to bigger, better, Buckeye things.

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Did I miss something?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Gametime's picture

Not so much Buck, I just posted a hypothetical situation about what might of happened given the scarce bit of information we do have & it could've ignited the board in an non-preferential manner, needless to say, I'm glad someone sensed it that & deleted the thread before it got outta hand.

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So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I'm not sure what's going on now.  I seriously hope no Buckeye football players did any of this, and if they did, byebye.

Class of 2010.

Maceyko's picture

Three Freshmen linked to alleged rape.  Disgusting as it sounds remember "linked" and "alleged" is a far cry from "Three Freshmen involved in a rape."  It's sick to even think about something like that.  I've always been disgusted by the fans who have made fun of the Penn State stuff as well.  Rape is sick and nothing funny about anything linked to it.  At least for now though this may not be as bad as it makes you feel reading it initially. 

njclebuckeye5's picture

I really hope this story isn't true. Not because of what it means for the Ohio State football team, but because of what it means for 3 young men and a young lady. If it is, it is sad, and I hope the young lady gets the help she needs, the players are disciplined (and helped), and others learn from it. If it isn't true, I hope the players learn from it anyway. 

Lobs it to the endzone... Touchdown Devin Smith!!

mitchjacobsen01's picture

The comments section is classy.

Buckeyemoflo's picture

They are getting a little wild over there

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I could care less about football right now. Let justice be done, for either side. Please.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

jmoody's picture

Anybody remember that time when serious allegations were made and we fought about ESPN's reporting for a hundred comments?

That was awesome.

"Did you push yourself to be great today? If you didn't do it you lost a day. We ain't got many days to lose. We're going to push your a$$ like its never been pushed because what you've got in you were going to find out" UFM

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I was not aware tangential conversations were frowned upon.
Let's all go back to talking about something we don't know anything about.  

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

OSU_ALUM_05's picture

Anytime something like this happens, in addition to concern for the victim and general disgust, I can't help but think how absolutely stupid some of these guys are. You're at Ohio State. You're getting a free education. You play a sport you love on a national stage. You have a chance to make it to the NFL. All you have to do is not do something stupid. Sit in your dorm and play xbox. Go to sleep at midnight. Read a freaking book. I admittedly have never been a party animal, but it's just mind boggling the decisions some of these guys make. Hope this is all smoke and no fire.....

mitchjacobsen01's picture

It's even pretty easy for regular students to stay out of trouble...while I'm not saying that this was my schedule for every weekend at OSU, at least one Thursday-Saturday night per week usually involved something like this.
Freshman year...dorm parties/floor parties.
Sophomore year...house parties.
Junior year...bars on campus.
Senior year...bars downtown.
While you could make the argument that these guys are under a microscope, they also have people to check up on them and make sure their noses stay clean.  There is more to lose for an athlete and more incentive to stay out of trouble.

Buckeyeneer's picture

Yup. That pretty much sums up the college party experience. Though since it was my junior year, the year they bulldozed South High St to build the Gateway mine went something like this:
Freshman year...dorm parties/floor parties.

Sophomore year...house parties.

Junior year...huge house parties/block parties.

Senior year...bars downtown

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

z32fanatic's picture

I wish I could cross reference comments from people here with the Bama assault/robbery story. I bet a lot of people weren't willing to wait for for the facts to come out in that one, but seem very willing to wait in this case. If this happened, it should be a higher profile story than that one.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Not sure what you want to cross reference, but the Bama case involved actual charges being filed, meaning that information was available to the public. This situation not only deals with speculation, but with now redacted speculation.
The situations are not really comparable.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

kevinfrenchfry's picture

DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying this girl is lying
Does anyone think that if you falsely accuse someone of a crime that you should have to suffer a similar sentence to the one the defendent WOULD have gotten if found guilty.  I live in Durham, NC and a lot of people here were upset with the girl who accused of the players of rape as well as the D.A. who brought the charges, and many speculate that he brought the charges to play for the next election cycle by gaining support from the African American community.  The girl had Jesse Jackson and, I believe, the New Black Panther party on her side; it was a mess.  Later on, she was attempting to write a book about it, if I'm not mistaken.

Jhesse17's picture

I agree completely. If you can prove that the accusing party is lying then they should serve an equal sentence to the one that the defendant would get if they were guilty on all counts.

johnblairgobucks's picture

Does anyone think that if you falsely accuse someone of a crime that you should have to suffer a similar sentence to the one the defendent WOULD have gotten if found guilty.

In a perfect world, I would agree.  In a perfect world, there would be no crimes or lies. 
Some people spend many years in jail for being falsely convicted of a crime they didn't commit.  Some people don't get convicted of the crimes they did commit (O.J?).  It probably would have been an injustice for Ron Goldman's family to be sentenced to life in prison, for a glove not fitting.
 

Jhesse17's picture

We're not saying that if you can't prove the defendant is guilty the accusing party should go to jail. We're saying that if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accuser fabricated their story then they deserve to serve the defendant's sentence.

johnblairgobucks's picture

 In theory I agree 100%. 

jeremytwoface's picture

That's a very fine line to walk.
I'm not sure there's a way to do this fairly... Anyone could make up a story and say they were raped. That being said, you can't just throw out every rape case that doesn't provide physical evidence. That's why these things seem to take a long time for charges to come down. Police try to get all of the facts before making accusations
We should do the same. (not saying that anyone is making any right now)

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

Statutoryglory's picture

An amazing idea that would never happen because it makes too much sense.

otrain2416's picture

WSYX pulls the story from their website and replaces it with this

cdubs's picture

Their sister station Fox 28 is still repeating the story on their 10pm newscast, but didn't show video from the original report. So yeah, they definitely pulled the story because of that bang-up editing job.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Completely agree. They may be in a bit of trouble if the other visible name in the video is the victim. Sex crime victim names are not a matter of public record.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

kevinfrenchfry's picture

absolutely, they might be facing a lawsuit from players and the girl, no matter the outcome

Matt20Buckeye's picture

I'm really shocked ESPN has held off and is actually waiting to post story with facts. Its really against their normal maybe they do really like Urban.

BuckeyeRick's picture

A lot of weird things with this story. The alleged incident happened in October, but the report wasn't filed until November and it doesn't come to light until March? Se'von Pittman leaves the team due to an off-field incident, but no other player is mentioned as being off the team, suspended, or held out of practice. Now ABC 6 has retracted the story, listed on their site as the Big Story. No other major media outlet has reported it. Obviously there is much much more of this to come to light, and its like putting the pieces of a puzzle together until it all comes out, but so far very few pieces fit in this puzzle. 
 

Statutoryglory's picture

Was Pittman at the 12-0 celebration or was Nate Williams the only person anyone noticed was missing?

buckeye20's picture

Ohio State is no different than our society.  There are always a few dopes who ruin the fun for everyone else. 
 

Grant Edgell's picture

Hope it isn't true, but *IF it is --
We need a Ross Fulton breakdown for horny kids on the offensive to identify, attract and execute consensual sex with a slump buster when it's 4th and long with just a few seconds left in the game. No, it won't make the #SCTop10 but it's far less complicated and can be achieved from just as many positions/formations.
Beats the alternative.

millertime2011's picture

*IF this is true, then it's no joking matter. I can usually find humor in just about any situation but rape is not one of those situations. I'll man-up and say that I was the one who just downvoted you for this.

bigbadbuck's picture

Makes 2 of us

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Grant Edgell's picture

Obviously written in poor taste and not too clearly. Wasn't a 'how to' rape joke. Was exactly the opposite. But, cool. I love this online community's ability to self-police. I can certainly appreciate that.

millertime2011's picture

This is a great response to getting called out. Thanks for owning up.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Tampa my friend, you may get hammered for this one. And, maybe rightfully so to a degree.
Yes, conventional thinking would dictate (no intentional reference to an old 'Little Rascals' joke) the pragmatic thing to do would be to just put it in your mouth and bite as hard as you can.
Unfortunately if true, this was a very scared, very small, very drunk girl on her knees in front of a towering, hulking, forceful man. You are thinking like a big-strong guy. Gotta think like a terrified young girl. The pragmatic is impossible.
Now, I am not saying this is what happened. Actually, the fact pattern put forward is problematic in a few ways. I say this from a professional standpoint.
It's a valid question, even if crassly worded.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

txbucknut's picture

If 3 players were named in the report (and being named in a report could mean they were simply present at the time of the alleged crime). My guess is that Dodson is the player that the girl jumped on, and Pittman was the one that crossed the line and broke the law. The 3rd player must have been Dodson's roommate, but I have no idea who that is. It sounds to me, and this is pure speculation on my part, that Pittman may be the one at fault here. It explains why he left the team last week. Either way, if I'm wrong, or partially wrong, and someone else also crossed the line with this girl, I hope punishment on the part of OSU & the team is swift, and nothing short of being kicked off the team, and let whoever the guilty parties are be punished to the full extent of the law.  

zbd's picture

Am I the only person to question the time?  November 2012-now March 12, 2013? It took 4 months for the girl to realize she had oral sex with a player and only now brings it up?  What. The guy dropped her for another?

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

This logic doesn't work for rape.  Rape victims are ashamed of what happened.  Many never report it, period.  Others will take time to work up the courage to go report it.

Class of 2010.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

The pull quote up top (I can't seem to access the full story on the WSYX website right now) clearly states that the girl reported the matter to the police back in November. 
So yeah, those of us who read that probably aren't questioning the time.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

ATXbucknut's picture

Apparently ABC6 stands by their report.  I didn't see the late newscast.

rdubs's picture

As someone else mentioned they took the video down, likely because of the names shown in the video.  The veracity of the story doesn't seem to be in question, ie the search warrant did in fact occur.

DetroitBuckeye's picture

This is truly disgusting if true, however as has been said I won't jump to any conclusions until all of the facts are out.  If it is false calims than that is terrible as well, just have a bad feeling about this.  I'm hoping for the best and if this girl really was raped than I hope that whoever did this players or not get hammered by our legal system.

DefendYoungstown's picture

Just when things were looking good, Urban will take care of business and make examples of those that abused the privilege of being an Ohio State Buckeye. This is an unfortunate situation but you have to take the good with the bad I guess...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

andretolstoy's picture

How do you guys know who roomed(s) with whom? That's sorty of freaky?

rdubs's picture

It gets reported sometimes when freshmen show up on campus, I assume the player makes a comment during an interview usually.

bigbadbuck's picture

The Lantern says  the  search warrant for the cell phone may contain evidence of the alleged rape........................... like texting back and forth about what allegedly happened or pics or  both? Is there any other way to provide evidence of an alleged rape on a cell phone?
 
 
 

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.            

luckynutz's picture

Not sure what I can really add to this conversation other than to further the sentiments of the people who are taking a wait and see approach. Don't want to comment on the victim, or the players involved. This is a situation that could carry serious weight for the young people. There are people far more qualified than i handling the investigation, and I for one will let them do their job before weighing in with any opinion. There are young people who's lives will be potentially altered forever. They deserve to have due process before being crucified in the court of public opinion.

asinghal31's picture

Like others have said, I'm going to refrain from any accusations and/or potentially damging statements until facts are out. And I know a lot of people on here have been talking about who the players involved are, which is completely understandable, but I feel like we should play our part in avoiding naming the players too. For all we know, all the names we've mentioned could be wrong and we could be unnecessarily throwing out names of players and damaging their reputations. Just my two cents. It's a terrible situation, and I only hope the best for all the parties involved.

southbymidwest's picture

I have a hard time believing that the coaches have not been aware of this situation. Gotta believe that someone on the team or on the OSU police force went to a coach and confided/told them of the situation. No way Urban let this go, regardless of who it might have been. So could this have been already resolved, or thought to have been resolved, given the young woman reported it in November, and is just now surfacing from one news outlet?

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Whoa. I take a day off from Buckeye news and all manner of excrement hits the fan.
Since I don't know the facts, I'll restrict my comments to things I feel safe in addressing:
1. Some of you all think way, way, WAY too much about ESPN at times like this. I'm sorry, but it's news, just like the Bama program made some news (on ESPN and elsewhere) a few weeks ago -- a story folks here couldn't get enough of. Blaming the messenger is immature, and the persecution complex is neurotic.
2. "Let's not rush to judgment" is a good policy, but it doesn't just apply to the players.
3. I don't want to link this story to Steubenville at the present time--too premature given that there's an actual trial there--but I'm never too surprised when stories like this pop up. Leaving actual crime out of it for now, too many athletes have a sense of entitlement when it comes to women and sex. I heard certain stories about team-related debauchery when I was a student at OSU--I'm sure a lot of them qualified as urban legends, but I doubt all of them were. My fiancee was a high school cheerleader in a football-crazy part of the country in the '80s, and the stories about the rampant sexual disrespect from players, the rage when they were dumped or told no, coaches ordering her to allow players to cheat off her schoolwork...basically, none of this started with the current generation.
My main concern here is that justice is done however the chips fall.
 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

RunEddieRun1983's picture

Pittman pulling a Pete Carroll.  Get out of dodge before the shit hits the fan.

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

cinserious's picture

'Cept Pete Carroll let a whole bunch of shit slide for his own benefit and dipped out to make millions and millions in the NFL. Pittman ran away from some shit that he may or may not have contributed to but either way it will put a serious damper on his future.
BTW: Carroll is a 'bad boy' in the eyes of the NCAA, but Pittman can't run away from the long arm of the law!

Gone ham, be back soon...

actionstanleyjackson's picture

Well we know one guy is Pittman...and the other is Dodson (can see his name on the channel 6 report). Don't know who #3 is though...nor do we know who did what
Castel from the O zone said he heard a recruit that did not come to osu might have been involved also...not sure that has anything behind it though...
I certainly hope this is not true...but if it is then people will be gone from osu

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

builderofcoalitions's picture

Because we couldn't go for three.

immort9888's picture

If true, gone from OSU will be the least of their worries. 

buckeye76BHop's picture

To some responses above...overreact much????  It's going to be all good...some times crying rape without proof (ie semen, bruises, torn clothes and not to mention...reporting it way after the fact doesn't help the victims case either).  Let's wait and see what happens...sounds like the main contributor (at least from what we know at this point) is gone.  

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
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burkmon's picture

I'm sorry Buckeye76bhop, but not all rapes leave behind physical evidence.  As a victim, you do not need to have "proof" by having semen, bruises, or torn clothes.  That was a clueless comment if there ever was one.  I'm sure you meant to word that differently.  The majority of the trauma is mental, exactly what the rape is about, power over another.  Not all rapes include penetration and being rough-housed.
ps. I am a female.

 

Brutus' Left Nut's picture

Yes you don't need to have physical evidence but you need to have some evidence in the eyes of the law.  Circumstantial evidence alone is not enough.  Direct testimony from the victim can be enough, but if it is not corroborated by anyone it is rarely sufficient.
P.S. I'm a lawyer.

Brutus Greyshield's picture

There's no legal rule that requires direct evidence for a conviction. Plenty of convictions are based on circumstantial evidence alone.

jaybuckeye16's picture

I have 2 personal stories of rape and in both cases the girl reported rape for the same reason. One of them being a good friend of mine and the other a dude I went to high school with. The one from high school, it was a big party and the dude and the accuser were drunk, went into a room, and messed around/had sex or what not. She also had a bf at the time. Well after said BF finds out, and prolly her girlfriends helping her come up w a lie, she picks "he raped me", long story short he didn't at all and she admitted it finally later before court and stuff. But it totally ruined the guys rep.. This was in 1999 and people still refer to him as the rapist when talking about him. Even tho he clearly did nothing wrong. My buddy got charged w tape a few years ago. Almost exact same situation. They had SEC, after she was crying and had a friend pick her up(now before she had a serious BF the 2 had had consetual sex pry 100 times) but at this point she had a BF and her friend showed up and was also pissed at my friend. Well a day later police are knocking on his door and he is arrested for rape. About a month later, after her and her BF break up, story changes. He didn't tape me! And she moves away and leaves my friend and his family the embarrassment of a lifetime for making up the lie! No money in either case was involved. Just a stupid girl making really bad choices and practically ruining town life's to save her own ass. Sad stories 

Jay16

jeremytwoface's picture

A fine line you're walking there friend...
You should probably add a disclaimer saying "I'm not saying that something like that happened in this case."
Because you're not, right?

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

jaybuckeye16's picture

Tape=rape lol didn't spell check 

Jay16

4dorr's picture

Some of the stuff on here.
 

Tomorrow

TheHostileDwarf's picture

I love this website but threads like this one bring out so much stupid. Perhaps that's just the nature of the internet, but too many people can't wait to pull out their Jump to Conclusions mats and start spouting off about shit they know absolutely nothing about - from the facts to what the laws are. Charges haven't even been filed. Calm down. It'd be nice if everyone could stop assuming the best or the worst about the young men or the young woman involved and just wait for things to play out.

AndyVance's picture

I'll bet these things sell like hotcakes:

SilverBulletNYC's picture

Per Bucknuts, Michael Thomas is the third Buckeye. They also say he will not be charged.

The South will NOT rise again!

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

If he's not being charged, his name shouldn't be put out there.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

jaybuckeye16's picture

Better add disclaimer since people are outraged about my story where in it it says absolutely nothing about this is what I think happened. I don't know what happened, just saying this happens a lot and now a days girls throw out the I got raped card an aweful lot when they realize they fucked up. That said I hope that this is the case here. And mainly said the story to show not just pro or people of importance are the ones who get screwed by some money sucking low life. Hope it's the case here, if not, hope the sick rapers get 30 yrs in prison 

Jay16

jaybuckeye16's picture

Aren't u morons accusing me of jumping to a conclusion the ones actually doing that since I never once stated anything about "that is what happened in the osu situation ? Lol

Jay16

jeremytwoface's picture

I'm not sure the whole "jumping to conclusions" post was specific to you.
But this is why I said you should explain that you weren't implying that you were talking about happened in this case.
You didn't specifically say you thought it DID, but you didn't specifically say you DIDN'T.
And when you go on a story like this and post what you did, it kind of comes across that you think this girl is lying. Which is why I was clarifying that on your earlier post.
It's all about perception. I made a comment earlier that I, along with many other people, have made stupid decisions when I was drunk.
I knew that I had to say that I wasn't condoning what happened and wasn't making excuses because I knew it would come across that way EVEN THOUGH I wasn't specifically talking about this case.
Plus, it's the internet man... no need to cry over spilt milk (up-votes or down-votes)

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

ODEEZ330's picture

Just heard sevon's side of.the story from a family friendof his.
Since leavinf osu he has been home in canton. I was told the alleged girl was his 'booty call" bec he has been involved with osu womans bball player ameryst alston since high school. Supposedly the girl told him if he didn't break it off with ameryst n see her exclusively she would make these accusations. This story comes from some one trying to stand up for him so take it with a large grain of salt.

O'Deez330
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Dude Nudem's picture

It's pretty lame that a couple of my comments have been deleted. How dare I suggest that this young lady may not be a victim? You white knights that buy into this "women are princesses to be put onto pedestals" propaganda need to get a clue.

D. Anthony's picture

Why were all of Elika's comments removed????

D. Anthony

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Maybe she removed them?

Were they potential "11w goes into meltdown mode" comments?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.