Beyond the Buckeye Bubble

By Elika on August 24, 2012 at 1:03p

Ohio State enjoyed a pretty successful decade-long run under then-head coach Jim Tressel. Despite NCAA sanctions, many have claimed that the Ohio State program came out looking better than it did before, with now-head coach Urban Meyer. With every new season comes new expectations, especially true when a head coach with two national championships comes to town. 

What a difference six years makes...

In order to gain some perspective from outside the Ohio State media community on what the program should expect under Urban Meyer and his new coaching staff, both for 2012 and beyond, I stepped outside the Buckeye bubble, if you will. A great group of guests from around the country, and with various media outlets, joined me to answer questions on the Ohio State Buckeyes. 

Big thanks to the following guests for providing their insights:

Bruce Feldman, CBS Sports

Andy Staples, Sports Illustrated

Robert Flores, ESPN/ABC College Football

Lisa Horne, FOX Sports

Spencer Hall, Every Day Should Be Saturday, SB Nation

Chris Huston, Heisman Pundit and CBS Sports

What are your expectations for Ohio State this season? What would you consider a success or failure for Urban Meyer's first year at OSU?

Bruce Feldman: I'd consider nine wins or more a successful season or eight plus a win over Michigan – given how shaky 2011 was and the sanctions taking away post season hopes.

I'd say anything less than eight wins and/or a blowout loss to Michigan would be a disappointing debut season. It's Urban Meyer, and fair or not, the expectations are high. That's what happens when you have made the impact he has in his three coaching stops.

Andy Staples: I expect them to win two or three more games than last season. They have a good defense – Ryan Shazier should be All-World – and the offense can't be any worse than it was last season. Braxton Miller fits Meyer's offense well, but they'll need some playmakers to emerge. I imagine Meyer probably dusted off a lot of the old Aaron Hernandez plays when he met Jake Stoneburner, but Meyer's offense also needs a significant contribution from the more traditional wide receiver group to really hum. I'm not sure a coach can fail in his first season, though I imagine some Maryland fans disagree with me at the moment. I'd call any record better than the 2011 regular season a success.

Spencer Hall: I think anything but improvement in the wins column would represent failure, since last year was moving dry rot in all directions. With even a semblance of an offense, this is an eight win team, and more if the Buckeyes get the ebullient confidence of a team with nothing to lose. Thanks to the probation/bowl ban/shunning they're currently under, this is entirely probable. Ineligible teams are the very attractive married woman alone at the bar: not taking anything home, but still simultaneously ruining someone's hopes that night.

A lot of the conversation has been around Urban Meyer elevating Ohio State to the SEC's level. Without a marquee OOC game (sorry Cal) or the possibility of the postseason to use as a benchmark, what can we look for on the field to determine whether or not the Buckeyes are closing in on that goal? Realistically, how long could it take?

Chris Huston: I don't think OSU needs to be elevated to any league's level. Ohio State is already a marquee program that just needs to have a good coach in place who can recruit Ohio well and then use that talent properly. When you instill an overall philosophy like Urban Meyer's and combine it with the talent level on Ohio State's roster, you tend to get great results. Look what happened at Florida. The Gators always had the talent, but they weren't using it well under Ron Zook. Meyer comes in and suddenly they dominate. It wasn't that the talent suddenly got better, it was that Meyer took the existing talent and made it better and then used that success to bring in more talent.  He'll do the same at Ohio State. As with Florida, it will take a year or two for things to gel, especially on offense.

The thing to look for this year is the development of the offense. When you start to see Braxton Miller running around like he knows what he's doing, then you can start to get excited. Ohio State has—and has always had—the athletes to compete with any school in the country. You are about to see what happens when those athletes are unleashed.

Spencer Hall: The best indicator will be at the two positions most differentiated in the SEC: defensive back and along the defensive line. That will take a few years, but for all the talk around the "Percy Harvin position" in the Meyer offense, his Florida teams thrived off the edge on the line and on the edge at corner. That will take a year or two to shake out, and depends a lot on how recruiting patterns hold. Ohio State, more than any other team, should be painfully familiar with just how much better these two positions can make an already good team, especially in a one-game scenario.

Bruce Feldman: Short of Michigan upsetting Bama and then OSU winning double digits this fall and finishing it off by thumping the Wolverines, that is going to have to wait at least till 2013. And realistically, even if those things happen, it's still just one step on an uphill climb. The SEC dominance didn't just happen overnight and it's going to take more than a big win or two to undo that perception because when you win six BCS titles in a row you're gonna get a lot of benefit of the doubt.

coachurbanmeyer.comTom Herman and Braxton Miller prepare for the 2012 season.

What do you think new Offensive Coordinator Tom Herman adds to this program, beyond what we've already seen Urban bring to Florida and Utah? Are you expecting growing pains to be a concern for the Buckeyes, as they adapt to a new offense?

Lisa Horne: We all remember how Michigan had a lot of growing pains adjusting to then-coach Rich Rod's spread offense. A successful coach will scheme around his players' greatest assets, not force them to adjust to a style of play that their bodies weren't built for. Try as you may, you can't fit square pegs in round holes. I think a lot of Herman's success depends on how agile and athletic his offensive linemen are as well as his flexibility in tweaking the system to accommodate the current roster.

Bruce Feldman: Herman's very sharp. He's proven to be a good gameplanner and teacher, and what Urban likes to do and what Tom has done over the years has a lot of overlap. Tom told me how much he's already learned from Urban Meyer in terms of how to run a program, motivate players and build a team.

The biggest missing piece right now are dynamic WR and TB types. That's going to hurt not having that component but they're going to be versatile and keep people off balance. As talented as Braxton Miller is I don't expect growing pains because of his inexperience.

Chris Huston: First, Herman is an obvious upgrade over the previous OC. Second, I think Herman helps Meyer update his approach a bit and will hopefully be a check upon any desire on Meyer's part to 'reinvent' what he did at Florida. To wit, Meyer's insistence on having a player fill a 'Percy Harvin' role might be counterproductive if there is no obvious player who fits that bill. Sometimes you just have to go with what you have and adjust accordingly.

I think there will be some growing pains with the offense, but not as much as at Florida for Meyer, where there was a quarterback (Chris Leak) ill-suited for the offense. Here, Meyer has a prototype in Miller at his disposal. I think most of the issues will be at receiver and wouldn't be shocked if Miller was a bit mistake-prone in the early going. I expect them to be pretty good about 2/3 of the way in, though.

The postseason ban affects the program in multiple ways, particularly with momentum going into the following year, which could be pivotal for Urban Meyer. What do the Buckeyes need to do in 2012 in order to stay on track for a big 2nd year by Meyer in 2013?

Robert Flores: Urban Meyer infuses enthusiasm and "juice" (one of his favorite words) into a program that has one of the most passionate fan bases in the country. I think the Buckeyes will be better than last season under Meyer and will start an upward trend that will once again have them among the elite in college football. I do think that because of the bowl ban, the final game of the year against Michigan becomes even more important for Ohio State, if that's possible.

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Lisa Horne: One intangible that can come into play this season is players lacking motivation to play 100 percent. I spoke with several players at USC after the first year of their post-season ban and they candidly admitted they didn't give it their all because they were playing for nothing. It's understandable, especially in elite programs where many starters dream of playing professionally. Why risk a career-ending injury?

Can a coach turn that mentality around? Yes, but one big loss or injury could also douse his fire and brimstone speeches. Head coach Urban Meyer's best weapon is three-fold: First, play both starters and reserves in every game. This will keep the starters on their toes and remind them that their position is up for grabs if they don't compete in every practice and every game. Second, reinforce the spoiler role and how they could keep a rival like Michigan out of a BCS Championship. Finally, their players are still eligible to win some major college football awards (e.g. the Heisman or Bronko Nagurski) which increases both their exposure to NFL scouts and potential salaries in contracts. For most of the seniors, this will be the last year they ever play organized football and Meyer needs to remind them of that. Michigan is now their bowl game.

Andy Staples: They need to spend time at practice developing young players. That is quite difficult to do during the season, which is why most coaches save it for bowl practice. Since Ohio State won't have those 15 extra practices, coaches may need to give some quality reps in regular-season practices to guys who might not contribute much in 2012 but will have to in 2013.

Meyer has made multiple stops in his career, but supposedly we'll be seeing a new Urban Meyer at Ohio State, as mentioned in his introductory press conference and expanded upon in Wright Thompson's article. What are your thoughts on how much a newfound appreciation for work-life balance might affect the on-field product that Urban Meyer provides? Do you expect any drop off in success for Meyer now, since he's being pressured to not live and breathe football?

Spencer Hall: I think he's the same dude, something I think Wright hinted at in the finish of that article. He's in a meeting, the anger rises, and you see him in this moment of utter conflict between his drive and the need for balance. I don't think he can do it, just because as a rule I do not believe people change for any reason--particularly when he had such success being a relentless burnout case. In six years he will be doing something else, but until he flames out again Ohio State has one of the best football coaches alive working in a league ripe for a pillaging to rival the wettest dreams of the most desperate Vikings. The trick is both parties knowing when to hit the eject button.

Andy Staples: When I saw Meyer at Big Ten Media Days, he looked much healthier than the guy who resigned in Gainesville in December 2010. Does that mean he can maintain the balance that has allowed him to get healthy? Time will tell. He hasn't lost a game in almost two years. The losses were what really tore him up in the past and sent him into those dangerous, obsessive spirals. How he deals with those losses will determine how long he continues to coach.

As someone outside of Ohio State, looking in, who and what are you most looking forward to seeing from the 2012 Buckeyes?

Robert Flores: I'm looking forward to seeing Urban Meyer. He had so much success at Florida, but clearly paid a price.  He says he's changed, and I'm eager to see how he handles this new challenge.

Lisa Horne: I'm excited to watch quarterback Braxton Miller thrive under Meyer's offense. Last year Miller ran for 715 yards and seven touchdowns while passing for 1,159 yards and 13 touchdowns. He's a legit dual threat and he's just a sophomore. It's been a while since Ohio State has had an electric quarterback — yes Terrelle Pryor was electric but at times it was for all the wrong reasons — and the fans could be treated to some spectacular plays in the 'Shoe.

I'm looking toward to watching an offense that for so long was labeled as "three yards and a cloud of dust" by both critics and self-deprecating fans but is now not only on the cusp of becoming a speedy threat in the Big Ten, but to the SEC as well.

QB Braxton Miller has made some lists as a dark horse Heisman candidate. What are your thoughts on that? What needs to happen in order for him to land a spot in NYC in December? Do you think the postseason ban could affect him in the voting, as it arguably hurt Matt Barkley last year?

Robert Flores: I don't see Braxton Miller as a viable Heisman contender, dark horse or otherwise. He's a freak athletically, but I think he will need time to grow in Urban Meyer's system. I do think the possibilities are endless for him in this system.

Chris Huston: For Miller to be a Heisman finalist and get to NYC, he'll have to continue the impressive trend of the final games of his freshman season. If he produces for the full season what he did in his last two games as a freshman, he'll have around 2,400 passing yards, 24 touchdown passes, with about 720 rushing yards and 12 rushing TDs. Those are pretty good numbers, but he'll probably have to juice them a little further (like 1,000 yards rushing) to have a shot. If those numbers happen concurrently with a 10-win season that includes wins over Wisconsin and Michigan, he'll be seen as the spectacular young quarterback who kept OSU relevant during probation. And, so, he could be rewarded accordingly by Heisman voters.

Unfortunately, not having that ability to play in a Big Ten Championship game will hurt, so he'd have to put up those incredible numbers in 12 games. But, he plays for Ohio State and when you are a great offensive player for Ohio State, you are always in the Heisman conversation.

Thanks again to all our guests for joining the discussion. Be sure to follow them on Twitter:

Bruce Feldman: @bfeldmanCBS, Andy Staples: @Andy_Staples, Lisa Horne: @LisaHorne, Robert Flores: @RoFloESPN, Chris Huston: @HeismanPundit, Spencer Hall: @edsbs


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gunni070's picture

Great article, thanks!

Kyle's picture

Interesting though not surprising that the group isn't so bullish on the 2012 squad as most OSU fans are.  I wonder how much of that is driven by how bad the team looked last year.  I also think Spencer is a tad jaded and angry at Urban because of the way he left Florida. 
Nice piece though.  Great work in lining up such a good roster of opinions.

Spencer Hall's picture

Because I'd have a real reason to be bitter as a fan about two pairs of BCS and SEC titles. Oh, and we wrote this about him leaving for the second time at Florida, and may be one of the fifteen Florida fans on the planet who have no problem with someone looking at the thankless job of being our coach and sayin, "Nope, had enough."  Ah! And have way more experience dealing with him than you do, having watched his every twitch for the better part of five years. 
Go Bucks. 

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Kyle's picture

Hey man i wasn't criticizing or casting aspersions your way, but we've also seen a lot of other Florida fans who feel very bitter and betrayed by Urban.  Not everybody has been able to step back and recognize the 2 championships, the SEC titles and the other accolades he brought to the program.  I get where some Gator fans are coming from and on some level I'm sure I'd feel the same way.  Maybe you don't feel that way.  I just thought maybe some of your takes, while I'm sure very accurate and spot-on, maybe come with a slight bias due to the circumstances.  Maybe not though.
No need to throw down the all caps on me bro.

buck-I.8's picture

I think you need to read EDSBS in order to understand Spencer's responses, haha

chitown buckeye's picture

Who the hell is Spencer Hall? I thought Orson Swindle ran EDSBS?

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Elika's picture

Oh, Spencer Hall... I heart you.

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Rapping Bum's picture

Nice guests, you guys.

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jfunk's picture

Wow, rubbing shoulders with the big wigs now! Impressive!

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Scott's picture

Great lineup. Thanks for putting this together, Elika!

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CowCat's picture

Great read.
As far as Meyer's health goes ... he's back in his home state and he isn't climbing the ranks anymore, so hopefully that will give him some perspective.
IMO he will be judged by:
1) Beating Michigan
2) Beating quality OOC opponents
3) Big 10 championships
4) National championships
5) Having no seasons with 6 or fewer wins.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

cbusbuckeye's picture

I would argue point 5. If Urban ever has a season with only 6 wins the mobs will start forming outside the WHAC, I would say his minimum win total after this season will need to be 9 at worst. 

btalbert25's picture

After this season?  Have you seen how many people are predicting a 12-0 season.  Doulbe that are saying they will slip up one game and only win 11.  If/when this team goes 8-4 this year,which is a real possibility, we will hear people throwing a fit on a regular basis.

CowCat's picture

Yeah, 6 wouldn't work -- but we gave Tress a one-year mulligan with 7 wins.  Meyer had an 8 win season at Florida too. 
It would have to be an occasional blip, not a pattern.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

btalbert25's picture

Yeah, but we didn't know what to expect with Tressel really.  I just have a real feeling that people expect because it's Urban Meyer we are going to win 2 titles in 3 years and go undefeated or only lose 1 game every year.  The team isn't going to stink ever, but they'll have a rough season now and then.  Luckily, being in the B1G,  his rough years will be like Tressel's where they lose 2 games and end up in a BCS bowl.

MuraliPatel's picture

Agreed. Any win total below 9 will simply be unacceptable, and realistically, anything less than 10 wins a year puts him on the hot seat.

AltaBuck's picture

Chris Huston: First, Herman is an obvious upgrade over the previous OC.

Wow...that's like comparing an upgrade from a 300 baud dial-up connection to a fiberoptic GigE port. Sorry for the Nerd Talk.

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NoVA Buckeye's picture

The glacial freeze carried our old OC to the Atlantic shores of Boston, where he can eat all the fish he wants without having to pay a dime.

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Hah....that reminds me, the one thing I will miss with Bollman gone are the Walrus gifs.

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Denny's picture

Spencer's responses need more rally car/rugby analogies.


Squirrel Master's picture

Not being a spelling freak but just in case outsiders (get it) read this article, you meant to say thanks to the guests, you said things.

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Elika's picture

Duly noted, and fixed. Thank you.


(Now I'm just trying to figure out what "big things" I was thinking about when I typed that...)

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(its your head, we just live in it elika!)

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Very good stuff.  I don't see why we can't win 10 games, but it is easy though to look at the team we saw last year and not be as bullish on this team as many Buckeye fans are.  The offense and playcalling was rough (to put it VERY nicely) a lot of the year.  But, then the TSUN game comes, coaches actually open up the damn playbook - we're right there with TSUN.  I don't think that's by fluke or completely by motivation from playing an arch rival - that's some good talent being used properly.  With that playcalling all year, we would've won another couple of games.  The new offense this year is going to be better like that, granted that it will take time, and games, to fully grasp and get clicking.  Considering 6 losses came by a TD or less last year, it's not like we were that far from being a 8-10 win team last year.  It's not like talent is that much of an issue.  It's a matter of bringing the best out of this talent, and I believe this staff will do that. 

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sb97's picture

I strongly suspect we will be pleasantly surprised by production at receiver.  I think we will see improvement just based off of better line play, more aggresive play calling, and some personal improvement by Miller.  The receivers did not get much of a chance to produce last year.  They may not be all-world caliber but I am pretty sure they are better then they are being given credit for.
I also think it helps that Urban has proven he can get positive production out of players that are not ideal for his system (Chris Leak).  I don't think we are going to hear about cupboards being bare at Ohio State this season, at least when compared with TTUN's RishRod experiment.

Crimson's picture

I would love to see the OL play better, but we lost three starters, and two of them did not suck (I'm looking at you, false start boy!).  Based off of that, I'm just hoping that the line isn't much worse, but I could be pleasantly surprised.

William's picture

Lol what? Brewster was awful this past season, I mean he was muy terrible. The lineup of Mewhort, Norwell, Linsley, Hall and Fragel/Decker actually seems pretty promising to me. 

NC_Buckeye's picture

After last season, I'll just be happy if this team shows some killer instinct. We know we have weak spots (WR, OL, LB, DB) so seeing that players in those positions are coming along would also be a good barometer for me.
As far as Meyer burning out... this whole Penn State saga has provided me with some much needed perspective as to my fandom. IMO, a 7 or 8 win season happens now and then. Injuries happen. Players get suspended. Sometimes crucial guys get kicked off the team. Sometimes crucial coaches take that HC position they've always wanted. It happens. As long as the coaching staff is still focused and moving in a positive direction and there's still some energy in the locker room, I'd tell Meyer to relax. Enjoy your life. And if you feel the need to move on, just try to leave us in as good a position as you can.
After all the Tatgate deliberations and media firestorm, I'm just looking forward to witnessing some quality football in Columbus.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Wow - they went out on a limb with the whole 'they'll be better than last year' record predictions.  Don't think they actually put much effort into looking into what has been going on at OSU and ole'd a few paragraphs about it.

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MuraliPatel's picture

Realistically, this was a team last year that *if* there was any semblance of an offense, the defense was good enough to carry on just about any given day. Now, the offense has a plan besides Dave/Power O Left or Right, and the defense for the most part is back. I am drinking the Kool-Aid because I think this defense is going to be nasty, and any opponent - USC, Oregon, OK State, LSU, Clemson, WVU etc - won't (or shouldn't) score more than 13 points on them.

klfeck's picture

Wright Thompsons article was amazing and worth every minute. I highly advise that Buckeye faithful take the time to learn about their new coach.



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klfeck's picture

Oh and for the record I expext this team to be a whole lot better than last year. I fully expect this hungry team to put an @ss whipping on more than a few opponents.



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