Also- perhaps Jason can remove my "Staff" status? :) There's no reason I should be any more immune from downvotes than the rest of you.
I feel like I can be honest here because Ramzy and Jason know that I have nothing but love for them. Ramzy, in particular, as we're definitely clones of some sort.
As well written and put together as this was, and as much as I love anything Ramzy writes, I have to admit this topic, and some of the resulting conversation in the comments, wasn't my favorite. For a few reasons:
1. Generally speaking, so this isn't just an issue I have with this conversation, I'm tired of the idea that just because a person or group of people messed something up years ago, that they have to repeat that mistake in perpetuity in order to remain consistent to satisfy a group. As an example that has nothing to do with this one--- if it's generally accepted that the NCAA may have been too harsh on USC, should the NCAA then continue to be too harsh on every other case that comes before them, in order to remain consistent and please Trojan fans forever? So on that same note, if Journalists X, Y, and Z were wrong in the way they viewed the tatgate situation, should they then continue the same mistakes in the way they discuss Johnny Manziel and DJ Fluker? If I'm missing something here, then by all means I'm open to a different viewpoint, but for the most part I'm over the idea that they need to remain harsh forever because they were too harsh a few years ago. Whether we call it flip-flopping or evolution... is it so wrong to learn from mistakes and grow up?
2. As a fan base, can we get over this outrage that the media is against our program in particular? Is some of the bias annoying at times? Sure. But does it matter? Few fanbases have enjoyed as much success over the years as we have, maybe we can enjoy it a bit if we put the pitchforks down from time to time. On a related note... I feel like a decent amount of the media bias we saw during the Tressel era has already started to dissipate. JT seemed to hate the national media, and in turn made their jobs not-easy when their jobs involved covering Ohio State. As an example- ask anyone affiliated with ESPN, particularly College Gameday, how difficult their jobs were made when traveling to the Shoe to set up shop there on a Saturday, versus the red carpet that was rolled out for them everywhere else they went- even the other huge programs. The difficulty they faced in doing their jobs came from orders from JT himself. I love JT, this is nothing against him--- but if you hate the national media, and you make their jobs difficult, you can't expect that to not have an effect on the light you're presented in. Journalists are supposed to be unbiased, but they are still people and the way they're handled is bound to have an effect. Did anyone here rant about the media bias when ESPN chose to cover Ohio State in their Training Days series in Meyer's first year? Just food for thought.
3. I feel bad for Kirk, in a way. I'm not in love with the guy, or all the thoughts he has had over the years on OSU, or his dropping them in the polls after OSU beat Arkansas, but... there are behind the scenes stories the general public isn't aware of in terms of the bizarre triangle of Kirk, TP and JT. Ask just about anyone who knew, and 98% of them would tell you that TP was a POS. Perhaps he isn't now, I wouldn't know if he's changed... but most people inside the program would tell you that he had very little respect for the program and the people who came before him. The trinkets, the legends, some of his teammates, none of it, he cared about himself. The people closest to the program (i.e. Kirk) saw this well before anyone else did, and I'm sure quite a few of them took offense to it. You add to that the fact that JT, like most coaches, used national media members (i.e. Kirk) to fuel the fire under his players asses, and used the fact that some of them were also Buckeyes (do I have to say "Kirk" again?) to drive that point home. Let's say for a second you're Kirk, a guy who grew up adoring Ohio State, gave the program your all, cheered like crazy during the '03 Fiesta Bowl with Eddie George, and an entire fanbase used some quote from a punk like TP who was fed your unbiased analysis by a coach who used your words to anger his QB, as reason to turn against you. I'm trying to take a step back here and look at this objectively... there are things I like and dislike about all three of these guys. But if I'm Kirk in that scenario, I'd be hurt as hell if that happened. And as a Kirk-sidenote, I have to say, years later... I hated Kirk's decision to drop OSU in the polls after beating Arkansas and was a pretty outspoken critic of that at the time, but now, when I think about it--- I hate preseason polls and this game we play all season long as a result, where we take teams that win and bump them up a couple spots, and drop losing teams a few spots accordingly. It makes no sense, as polls should be a ranking of which teams you think would beat the others. If Kirk watched the bowl games, and reached his own conclusion that three teams he didn't previously consider capable of doing so would beat the Buckeyes... isn't his job to rank them ahead of OSU?
Sorry for the (not-proofread) rant. I'm sure I'll get killed for these thoughts in 3, 2, 1...
This comparison kills me every time, because, you're right... it is no Five Guys. They're two totally different tiers of restaurant. Until I see a drive-thru at any Five Guys, and can get the same amount of food for the same money, then I still think the only reason anyone even started comparing the two in the first place is because you used to only be able to get each in certain regions of the country. Which doesn't even apply to Five Guys any more. Within its category, nothing beats In N Out.
(Yes, I think about food too much.)
Good luck on Monday!
Glad you enjoyed it :)
Truthfully, I'd probably go to either one, the first time OSU is there... but would be MUCH more excited for Chicago.
I went to an ACC CCG in Charlotte and froze. my. butt. off. (But if it it was a B1G CCG in Chicago, with the Buckeyes--- it would've been worth it.)
Glad you enjoyed it!
That doesn't require a whole book, I'll fill you in...
1. I eat healthy a lot of the time.
2. If I am paying attention to what I'm eating, I make sure that it still has flavor and protein to keep me satisfied.
3. If I want something unhealthy, I eat it and I don't feel bad about it. But I also don't do this for every single meal.
4. I drink lots of water. Sometimes we mistake thirst for hunger.
5. I work out six to twelve hours a week.
I would tend to agree, but I don't think these guys mind. I've met four of the five Gronk brothers and the father, and they're all just fun-loving, happy go lucky guys who just do their thing. I'm friends with two of the brothers on Facebook, and first saw this video when one of them posted the TMZ link on there, so I'm sure they're cool with their drunken idiotness being online.
(But, again.. I'm with you on thinking it would suck.)
I don't meant this in the sameless self-promoting way it'll come across, but since you asked about my thoughts on when OSU got Pryor, not sure if you ever read this:
That was answered in the Skull Session, but in case it wasn't clear: Assuming Alex is correct, and I have no reason to believe he isn't, Withers met with Bell again last night, making him the last to speak with him before he shut down his recruitment.
I'm not fully aware of all the rules here as they apply to OSU's contact with Bell specifically, but it's not unheard of for a coach to visit a recruit at school, and then later at his home that same day. So what you're reading isn't necessarily contradictory.
There's nothing wrong with darlin. There's something wrong with someone who wasn't able to comprehend what I was saying calling me that in order to imply that I didn't comprehend what he was saying. He might as well have told me to go make him a sandwich.
17 hours? Ok, Chris Gamble.
A) Please refrain from callin' me darlin' in that tone.
B) "I don't know what article you're referring to"- I was referring to the same article YOU were referring to. Seeing as how I was responding to your comment, that would make sense, no?
C) Again, the "link to another article/piece outside of 11 Warriors" never says that Butch Jones met with Bell in the evening, as you claim. So, again, please read it again. And, in case I am the one that was missing something in that article, please quote it for me, so I can see where it states that Butch Jones met with Bell last night.
1. I suppose "closely" is all relative, but I'd have to say no. I try to keep somewhat up to speed on where they stand nationally, and with Alex's updates, but it's nowhere near the top of my list of interests or priorities, admittedly.
2. No. If they land a big recruit that gets Buckeye fans excited, I take some joy in things like that, but it never really makes or breaks my day.
The article never says they met with Bell in the evening. Read it again.
Source that Withers met with Bell last night: Alex Gleitman of Eleven Warriors.
That's what she said.
(In all seriousness, it wasn't the shortest Skull Session this week. It also wasn't the second shortest Skull Session this week. But apologies if y'all felt it was subpar.)
Thank. You. Sarah.